On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:12:39 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:

Dear Frank:

You're big with the insulting comments and pseudo-advice but you are
short on the appreciation of other users' who are trying to use this
board constructively. I will venture to say I have more experience with
computers of all kinds that you are old. Why not go back to your junior
high class and see if you can improve your social talents.


[color=blue]
>John Wesley Asquith wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Vista simply lacks the compatibility with previous Windows versions to
>> make it worthwhile.[/color]
>
>Please tell us what lack of compatibility with previous Windows versions
> you are referring to?
>
>Help files, drivers, DOS-based software do not work[color=green]
>> at all like with XP (if they work at all).[/color]
>
>Correct, some previous help files don't work. Yes, you'll need updated
>drivers. They must come from your hardware/software manufacturer, not MS
>and they've had 5 yrs to develop them. Still using some DOS programs,
>huh? If they worked in XP they'll probably work in Vista using
>compatibility mode. Have you heard of that method of installing legacy
>software?
>
>
> When you are paying[color=green]
>> employees to learn the quirks of Vista you are spending (most likely)
>> thousands of $$$ while people fumble with computers instead of working
>> on your business.
>>[/color]
>
>That's really the meat of your complaint isn't it? Location of things
>have changed and we're all just a little uncomfortable, unsure and
>rather frustrated.
>[color=green]
>> Even the "search" function has been modified in Vista so that it is
>> nearly impossible to use it like one did with XP (Apple had a
>> well-performing search function 10 years before Microsoft anyway).[/color]
>
>Well, again, Vista is not an upgraded XP. It's a whole new ball game for
>us to get to know. Did you know that before you purchased Vista?
>
>
> I'm reverting my company back to XP since I'm tired of paying wages to my[color=green]
>> folks while they stumble at making Vista do what they need.
>>
>> Not to mention me. I'm really pissed off about Vista on my own desktop
>> and laptop. Vista is forcing users to buy *NEW* Microsoft products just
>> to get the functionality back that they enjoyed with recent versions of
>> Excel, Word and the myriad of other programs (non-Microsoft) you depend
>> on every day.[/color]
>
>Really? Now I think you're "exaggerating" maybe just a little bit. What
>made you think you could blow that one by a group of seasoned Vista and
>MS software users in this ng, huh? You actually think Excel works
>differently in XP than it does in Vista? You think Office XP, 2003 and
>2007 work differently in Vista than in XP? They don't and all of them
>work in Vista. I personally have software from the mid-nineties that
>works perfectly in Vista.
>[color=green]
>> Shame on Bill Gates for selling a trap to consumers so that they are
>> snared into updating all their s/w even if the previous software is only
>> 6 months old.[/color]
>
>Shame on you for not knowing that Vista was different and has a learning
>curve you we're not prepared for. And please, don't ever post that "6
>months crap" in this ng again. You've made a big enough fool out of
>yourself already.
>BTW, if you really are looking for help, just post one specific problem
>at a time and everyone here will be glad to help you if we can.
>Obviously, by the tone and demeanor of this post, help was something you
>were not seeking.
>Frank[/color]

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 06:17:53 -0700, Doris Day <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Frank wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Shame on Bill Gates for selling a trap to consumers so that they are
>>> snared into updating all their s/w even if the previous software is only
>>> 6 months old.[/color]
>>
>> Shame on you for not knowing that Vista was different and has a learning
>> curve you we're not prepared for. And please, don't ever post that "6
>> months crap" in this ng again. You've made a big enough fool out of
>> yourself already.
>> BTW, if you really are looking for help, just post one specific problem
>> at a time and everyone here will be glad to help you if we can.
>> Obviously, by the tone and demeanor of this post, help was something you
>> were not seeking.
>> Frank[/color]
>
><snort>
>
>Love and Kisses,
>Doris[/color]

You tell 'em Ms. Day ;>)
..

John Wesley Asquith wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:12:39 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>
> Dear Frank:
>
> You're big with the insulting comments and pseudo-advice but you are
> short on the appreciation of other users' who are trying to use this
> board constructively. I will venture to say I have more experience with
> computers of all kinds that you are old. Why not go back to your junior
> high class and see if you can improve your social talents.
>
>
>
>[color=green]
>>John Wesley Asquith wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Vista simply lacks the compatibility with previous Windows versions to
>>>make it worthwhile.[/color]
>>
>>Please tell us what lack of compatibility with previous Windows versions
>> you are referring to?
>>
>>Help files, drivers, DOS-based software do not work
>>[color=darkred]
>>>at all like with XP (if they work at all).[/color]
>>
>>Correct, some previous help files don't work. Yes, you'll need updated
>>drivers. They must come from your hardware/software manufacturer, not MS
>>and they've had 5 yrs to develop them. Still using some DOS programs,
>>huh? If they worked in XP they'll probably work in Vista using
>>compatibility mode. Have you heard of that method of installing legacy
>>software?
>>
>>
>> When you are paying
>>[color=darkred]
>>>employees to learn the quirks of Vista you are spending (most likely)
>>>thousands of $$$ while people fumble with computers instead of working
>>>on your business.
>>>[/color]
>>
>>That's really the meat of your complaint isn't it? Location of things
>>have changed and we're all just a little uncomfortable, unsure and
>>rather frustrated.
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Even the "search" function has been modified in Vista so that it is
>>>nearly impossible to use it like one did with XP (Apple had a
>>>well-performing search function 10 years before Microsoft anyway).[/color]
>>
>>Well, again, Vista is not an upgraded XP. It's a whole new ball game for
>>us to get to know. Did you know that before you purchased Vista?
>>
>>
>> I'm reverting my company back to XP since I'm tired of paying wages to my
>>[color=darkred]
>>>folks while they stumble at making Vista do what they need.
>>>
>>>Not to mention me. I'm really pissed off about Vista on my own desktop
>>>and laptop. Vista is forcing users to buy *NEW* Microsoft products just
>>>to get the functionality back that they enjoyed with recent versions of
>>>Excel, Word and the myriad of other programs (non-Microsoft) you depend
>>>on every day.[/color]
>>
>>Really? Now I think you're "exaggerating" maybe just a little bit. What
>>made you think you could blow that one by a group of seasoned Vista and
>>MS software users in this ng, huh? You actually think Excel works
>>differently in XP than it does in Vista? You think Office XP, 2003 and
>>2007 work differently in Vista than in XP? They don't and all of them
>>work in Vista. I personally have software from the mid-nineties that
>>works perfectly in Vista.
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Shame on Bill Gates for selling a trap to consumers so that they are
>>>snared into updating all their s/w even if the previous software is only
>>>6 months old.[/color]
>>
>>Shame on you for not knowing that Vista was different and has a learning
>>curve you we're not prepared for. And please, don't ever post that "6
>>months crap" in this ng again. You've made a big enough fool out of
>>yourself already.
>>BTW, if you really are looking for help, just post one specific problem
>>at a time and everyone here will be glad to help you if we can.
>>Obviously, by the tone and demeanor of this post, help was something you
>>were not seeking.
>>Frank[/color]
>
>[/color]

Let me repeat a part of my original statement:

....if you really are looking for help, just post one specific problem
at a time and everyone here will be glad to help you if we can.

Got a problem with that remark?
Frank

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:11:30 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>>[/color]
>
>Let me repeat a part of my original statement:
>
>...if you really are looking for help, just post one specific problem
>at a time and everyone here will be glad to help you if we can.
>
>Got a problem with that remark?
>Frank[/color]

Yep, after watching you for some time it is clear you are here to brag
about you so-called "experience" with Vista. But you waste your time
insulting other legitimate users of this group more than helping anyone.
Hence, you get ignored by everyone.

You are not the "guru" you think you are and your social skills are
sorely lacking.

My solution is simply to put you in my kill filter list and not be
bothered with your flip comments.

bibi

John Wesley Asquith wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:11:30 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>Let me repeat a part of my original statement:
>>
>>...if you really are looking for help, just post one specific problem
>>at a time and everyone here will be glad to help you if we can.
>>
>>Got a problem with that remark?
>>Frank[/color]
>
>
> Yep, after watching you for some time it is clear you are here to brag
> about you so-called "experience" with Vista. But you waste your time
> insulting other legitimate users of this group more than helping anyone.
> Hence, you get ignored by everyone.
>
> You are not the "guru" you think you are and your social skills are
> sorely lacking.
>
> My solution is simply to put you in my kill filter list and not be
> bothered with your flip comments.
>
> bibi
>[/color]

So truthfully you're not here to get help with any of your Vista
problems, right?
You're just here to rant like all the rest of the linux loser trolls.
Just what I thought.
Frank

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:26:37 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
[color=blue]
>John Wesley Asquith wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:11:30 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Let me repeat a part of my original statement:
>>>
>>>...if you really are looking for help, just post one specific problem
>>>at a time and everyone here will be glad to help you if we can.
>>>
>>>Got a problem with that remark?
>>>Frank[/color]
>>
>>
>> Yep, after watching you for some time it is clear you are here to brag
>> about you so-called "experience" with Vista. But you waste your time
>> insulting other legitimate users of this group more than helping anyone.
>> Hence, you get ignored by everyone.
>>
>> You are not the "guru" you think you are and your social skills are
>> sorely lacking.
>>
>> My solution is simply to put you in my kill filter list and not be
>> bothered with your flip comments.
>>
>> bibi
>>[/color]
>
>So truthfully you're not here to get help with any of your Vista
>problems, right?
>You're just here to rant like all the rest of the linux loser trolls.
>Just what I thought.
>Frank[/color]

Geez Frank, you already proved you're a buffoon, no need to keep
illustrating WHY you are just one of the newsgroup clowns, we know
already.

Rick Rogers wrote:[color=blue]
> It's a common ploy for trolls to attempt to stir argument by posting
> something like that. You'll notice in a perusal of other of his posts
> that the OP never responds to any of the rebuttals, he just posts more
> rants. OP is also using Forte Agent for posting, so it is impossible to
> determine if he's actually used or using Vista. By the inaccurate
> statements he has made thus far, it is quite likely that he is just
> making things up or going from heresay. This is done solely with the
> intention of creating contention, not from any statement of fact.
>
> The best solution is to just ignore trolls, as every response - even
> those that are not geared towards the argument - just serves to
> encourage them to continue.
>[/color]
Your last statement is true. However, you should address it to Richard,
not me. I just asked how Richard came up with the conclusions he made.
They did not seem to be readily apparent, and in and of themselves
seemed to foment more of the atmosphere you suggest not be encouraged.

--
norm

"John Wesley Asquith" <john_asquith6********.com> wrote in message
news:j6cn239jbi500epqpp5ub1ca5qlphj16e4@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:04:44 -0700, "Justin" <None@None.com> wrote:
>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Can you tell us again why YOU decided to upgrade to Vista in your
>>> business and let your employees "fumble" through it in the first
>>> place when XP was working just fine? If you ask me you should pay
>>> another thousand dollars just for making a bad business choice.
>>>
>>> Shame on Bill Gates for forcing you to upgrade your business
>>> computers all at once. SHAME BILL SHAME ON YOU!!!
>>>
>>> Is it just me or am I the only one who thinks it might be a wise
>>> business choice to upgrade just one computer in your office to Vista
>>> to see how it functions with all your existing software and
>>> communicates with your network? Then once you see everything works
>>> the way you expect then to start switching over workstations one at
>>> a time as your employees become more familiar with the new OS.[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Once again you have made an assumption that is wrong.
>
> I did NOT decide to upgrade to Vista. The new HP computers I purchased
> came with Vista already installed (along with 60 GB of other crap
> already installed).[/color]

1. Make sure you reply to the right person.

2. 60GB eh? That's hard to believe. Which HP model?

3. Dave is still right as you made the CHOICE to buy a machine with Vista on
it.