Appears it's as easy as hacking XP. Watch the video. See how a hacker can so
easily get control of a Vista box.

http://techreckoner.com/windows-vista-hacking-video/

Partial Solution (includes hoping and praying) ... keep 'dem patches coming,
not just from MickeyMouse but all the other third-party software you run.

Better Solution ... move on up to Ubuntu.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

--
My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2
Get SP3 for XP here! .... http://tinyurl.com/374p49
Title Says It All ... http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl

Yes, Doris.

How come the Unbutu forums have itn their Main Support Categories
(213,538 Threads) (1,007,545 Posts)?

"Doris Day" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:1177204850.599462@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
> Appears it's as easy as hacking XP. Watch the video. See how a hacker can
> so
> easily get control of a Vista box.
>
> http://techreckoner.com/windows-vista-hacking-video/
>
> Partial Solution (includes hoping and praying) ... keep 'dem patches
> coming,
> not just from MickeyMouse but all the other third-party software you run.
>
> Better Solution ... move on up to Ubuntu.
>
> Love and Kisses,
> Doris
>
> --
> My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2
> Get SP3 for XP here! .... http://tinyurl.com/374p49
> Title Says It All ... http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl
>
>

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:36:21 -0700, Charles W Davis wrote:

> Yes, Doris.
>
> How come the Unbutu forums have itn their Main Support Categories
> (213,538 Threads) (1,007,545 Posts)?

A lot of recent ones concern the just released 7.04 which, just like
anything else, has a few minor bugs - I expect they'll be pretty well
worked out in a week or so. But there aren't many about having the system
hacked - it just doesn't happen.


>
> "Doris Day" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:1177204850.599462@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
>> Appears it's as easy as hacking XP. Watch the video. See how a hacker can
>> so
>> easily get control of a Vista box.
>>
>> http://techreckoner.com/windows-vista-hacking-video/
>>
>> Partial Solution (includes hoping and praying) ... keep 'dem patches
>> coming,
>> not just from MickeyMouse but all the other third-party software you run.
>>
>> Better Solution ... move on up to Ubuntu.
>>
>> Love and Kisses,
>> Doris
>>
>> --
>> My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2
>> Get SP3 for XP here! .... http://tinyurl.com/374p49
>> Title Says It All ... http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl
>>
>>

Ray

One would not cause maximum disruption by hacking Ubuntu.. that is why it
doesn't happen..


"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.04.22.02.11.17.78560@zianet.com...
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:36:21 -0700, Charles W Davis wrote:
>
>> Yes, Doris.
>>
>> How come the Unbutu forums have itn their Main Support Categories
>> (213,538 Threads) (1,007,545 Posts)?
>
> A lot of recent ones concern the just released 7.04 which, just like
> anything else, has a few minor bugs - I expect they'll be pretty well
> worked out in a week or so. But there aren't many about having the system
> hacked - it just doesn't happen.
>
>
>>
>> "Doris Day" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:1177204850.599462@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
>>> Appears it's as easy as hacking XP. Watch the video. See how a hacker
>>> can
>>> so
>>> easily get control of a Vista box.
>>>
>>> http://techreckoner.com/windows-vista-hacking-video/
>>>
>>> Partial Solution (includes hoping and praying) ... keep 'dem patches
>>> coming,
>>> not just from MickeyMouse but all the other third-party software you
>>> run.
>>>
>>> Better Solution ... move on up to Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Love and Kisses,
>>> Doris
>>>
>>> --
>>> My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2
>>> Get SP3 for XP here! .... http://tinyurl.com/374p49
>>> Title Says It All ... http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl
>>>
>>>
>

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

That's probably more of a measure of how popular ubuntu has become and
less of a measure of how secure/insecure it is.

Charles W Davis wrote:
> Yes, Doris.
>
> How come the Unbutu forums have itn their Main Support Categories
> (213,538 Threads) (1,007,545 Posts)?
>
> "Doris Day" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:1177204850.599462@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
>> Appears it's as easy as hacking XP. Watch the video. See how a hacker
>> can so
>> easily get control of a Vista box.
>>
>> http://techreckoner.com/windows-vista-hacking-video/
>>
>> Partial Solution (includes hoping and praying) ... keep 'dem patches
>> coming,
>> not just from MickeyMouse but all the other third-party software you run.
>>
>> Better Solution ... move on up to Ubuntu.
>>
>> Love and Kisses,
>> Doris
>>
>> --
>> My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2
>> Get SP3 for XP here! .... http://tinyurl.com/374p49
>> Title Says It All ... http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl
>>
>>
>

Mike

And it also applies to all of the Linux distros. Nothing to gain from hacking it. And I guess that NoStop knows this also.

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message news:%23TY2cRIhHHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Ray
>
> One would not cause maximum disruption by hacking Ubuntu.. that is why it
> doesn't happen..
>
>
> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.04.22.02.11.17.78560@zianet.com...
>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:36:21 -0700, Charles W Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Doris.
>>>
>>> How come the Unbutu forums have itn their Main Support Categories
>>> (213,538 Threads) (1,007,545 Posts)?
>>
>> A lot of recent ones concern the just released 7.04 which, just like
>> anything else, has a few minor bugs - I expect they'll be pretty well
>> worked out in a week or so. But there aren't many about having the system
>> hacked - it just doesn't happen.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "Doris Day" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1177204850.599462@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
>>>> Appears it's as easy as hacking XP. Watch the video. See how a hacker
>>>> can
>>>> so
>>>> easily get control of a Vista box.
>>>>
>>>> http://techreckoner.com/windows-vista-hacking-video/
>>>>
>>>> Partial Solution (includes hoping and praying) ... keep 'dem patches
>>>> coming,
>>>> not just from MickeyMouse but all the other third-party software you
>>>> run.
>>>>
>>>> Better Solution ... move on up to Ubuntu.
>>>>
>>>> Love and Kisses,
>>>> Doris
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2
>>>> Get SP3 for XP here! .... http://tinyurl.com/374p49
>>>> Title Says It All ... http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>
>
>

Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
> Ray
>
> One would not cause maximum disruption by hacking Ubuntu.. that is why
> it doesn't happen..

The answer is a bit more involved than what your simple statement would
indicate. A target (large or small) sufficiently designed against attack
and intrusion has an upper hand over a target (large or small) that is
not so designed. http://librenix.com/?inode=21
Attack and intrusion are not impossible, but the odds of wide disruption
are slim, and probably will remain so. But believe what you will.

>
>
> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.04.22.02.11.17.78560@zianet.com...
>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:36:21 -0700, Charles W Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Doris.
>>>
>>> How come the Unbutu forums have itn their Main Support Categories
>>> (213,538 Threads) (1,007,545 Posts)?
>>
>> A lot of recent ones concern the just released 7.04 which, just like
>> anything else, has a few minor bugs - I expect they'll be pretty well
>> worked out in a week or so. But there aren't many about having the system
>> hacked - it just doesn't happen.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "Doris Day" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1177204850.599462@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
>>>> Appears it's as easy as hacking XP. Watch the video. See how a
>>>> hacker can
>>>> so
>>>> easily get control of a Vista box.
>>>>
>>>> http://techreckoner.com/windows-vista-hacking-video/
>>>>
>>>> Partial Solution (includes hoping and praying) ... keep 'dem patches
>>>> coming,
>>>> not just from MickeyMouse but all the other third-party software you
>>>> run.
>>>>
>>>> Better Solution ... move on up to Ubuntu.
>>>>
>>>> Love and Kisses,
>>>> Doris
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ...
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2
>>>> Get SP3 for XP here! .... http://tinyurl.com/374p49
>>>> Title Says It All ... http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>


--
norm

That was a set demo with no explanations. Was UAC turned on? Had any other
security features in Vista been changed from the defaults? What was the
exploit? The two error messages that came up when the exploit was shown were
conveniently out of focus.

I'm not saying Vista can't be hacked. I am saying that demo looked a little
too easy. If it was true there would be many compromised Vista zombies which
there aren't. I have done quite a bit of testing of the current exploits on
default installs of Vista. So far all I've seen is a system crash and a lot
of UAC prompts. The best/worst crashed the system forcing a hard reset.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"Doris Day" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:1177204850.599462@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
> Appears it's as easy as hacking XP. Watch the video. See how a hacker can
> so
> easily get control of a Vista box.
>
> http://techreckoner.com/windows-vista-hacking-video/
>
> Partial Solution (includes hoping and praying) ... keep 'dem patches
> coming,
> not just from MickeyMouse but all the other third-party software you run.
>
> Better Solution ... move on up to Ubuntu.
>
> Love and Kisses,
> Doris
>
> --
> My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2
> Get SP3 for XP here! .... http://tinyurl.com/374p49
> Title Says It All ... http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl
>
>

Take a close look at that video. The computers are side by side and direct
connected. And it seems strange that the password is ``password cat12``
typed in on the hackers computer. Looks like a setup to me.

Linux users seem to think that it is a impenetrable fortress, I have seen
posts telling Linux noobs they don`t need any security software. Kind of
scary.


"Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23TY2cRIhHHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Ray
>
> One would not cause maximum disruption by hacking Ubuntu.. that is why it
> doesn't happen..
>
>
> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.04.22.02.11.17.78560@zianet.com...
>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:36:21 -0700, Charles W Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Doris.
>>>
>>> How come the Unbutu forums have itn their Main Support Categories
>>> (213,538 Threads) (1,007,545 Posts)?
>>
>> A lot of recent ones concern the just released 7.04 which, just like
>> anything else, has a few minor bugs - I expect they'll be pretty well
>> worked out in a week or so. But there aren't many about having the system
>> hacked - it just doesn't happen.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "Doris Day" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1177204850.599462@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
>>>> Appears it's as easy as hacking XP. Watch the video. See how a hacker
>>>> can
>>>> so
>>>> easily get control of a Vista box.
>>>>
>>>> http://techreckoner.com/windows-vista-hacking-video/
>>>>
>>>> Partial Solution (includes hoping and praying) ... keep 'dem patches
>>>> coming,
>>>> not just from MickeyMouse but all the other third-party software you
>>>> run.
>>>>
>>>> Better Solution ... move on up to Ubuntu.
>>>>
>>>> Love and Kisses,
>>>> Doris
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ...
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2
>>>> Get SP3 for XP here! .... http://tinyurl.com/374p49
>>>> Title Says It All ... http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>
>
>

Minor? I downloaded and burned this version TWICE:

Standard personal computer (x86 architecture, PentiumTM, CeleronTM,
AthlonTM, SempronTM)

Each attempt to install on a Pentium 4 gives me an error after selecting
install telling me to get the 32bit version as my machine doesn't support
"long".

Minor my rear end! Just like everything else when it's new, it has major
problems that need to be fixed.

What is it I'm supposed to say......oh yeah, typical linux community
requires all the end users to BETA TEST their software. Hehehehe.




"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.04.22.02.11.17.78560@zianet.com...
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:36:21 -0700, Charles W Davis wrote:
>
>> Yes, Doris.
>>
>> How come the Unbutu forums have itn their Main Support Categories
>> (213,538 Threads) (1,007,545 Posts)?
>
> A lot of recent ones concern the just released 7.04 which, just like
> anything else, has a few minor bugs - I expect they'll be pretty well
> worked out in a week or so. But there aren't many about having the system
> hacked - it just doesn't happen.
>
>
>>
>> "Doris Day" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:1177204850.599462@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
>>> Appears it's as easy as hacking XP. Watch the video. See how a hacker
>>> can
>>> so
>>> easily get control of a Vista box.
>>>
>>> http://techreckoner.com/windows-vista-hacking-video/
>>>
>>> Partial Solution (includes hoping and praying) ... keep 'dem patches
>>> coming,
>>> not just from MickeyMouse but all the other third-party software you
>>> run.
>>>
>>> Better Solution ... move on up to Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Love and Kisses,
>>> Doris
>>>
>>> --
>>> My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2
>>> Get SP3 for XP here! .... http://tinyurl.com/374p49
>>> Title Says It All ... http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl
>>>
>>>
>

One demo is nothing more then a rumor. Unless this can reproduced, its
nothing to talk about.



"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:#cUTx3IhHHA.4368@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> That was a set demo with no explanations. Was UAC turned on? Had any other
> security features in Vista been changed from the defaults? What was the
> exploit? The two error messages that came up when the exploit was shown
> were conveniently out of focus.
>
> I'm not saying Vista can't be hacked. I am saying that demo looked a
> little too easy. If it was true there would be many compromised Vista
> zombies which there aren't. I have done quite a bit of testing of the
> current exploits on default installs of Vista. So far all I've seen is a
> system crash and a lot of UAC prompts. The best/worst crashed the system
> forcing a hard reset.
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>
> "Doris Day" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:1177204850.599462@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
>> Appears it's as easy as hacking XP. Watch the video. See how a hacker can
>> so
>> easily get control of a Vista box.
>>
>> http://techreckoner.com/windows-vista-hacking-video/
>>
>> Partial Solution (includes hoping and praying) ... keep 'dem patches
>> coming,
>> not just from MickeyMouse but all the other third-party software you run.
>>
>> Better Solution ... move on up to Ubuntu.
>>
>> Love and Kisses,
>> Doris
>>
>> --
>> My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2
>> Get SP3 for XP here! .... http://tinyurl.com/374p49
>> Title Says It All ... http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl
>>
>>
>

Justin wrote:
> One demo is nothing more then a rumor. Unless this can reproduced, its
> nothing to talk about.

And yet, your name appears twice in this thread.


-Michael

Very good little boy, you can count to two. Now try again and see if you
can count to three.

Had you actual read the other post you would have noticed I responded to an
ubuntu comment.

Are you up to speed yet? Or do you require further explanation?


"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:OyjIZwJhHHA.4368@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>
> Justin wrote:
>> One demo is nothing more then a rumor. Unless this can reproduced, its
>> nothing to talk about.
>
> And yet, your name appears twice in this thread.
>
>
> -Michael

norm wrote:

>
> The answer is a bit more involved than what your simple statement would
> indicate. A target (large or small) sufficiently designed against attack
> and intrusion has an upper hand over a target (large or small) that is
> not so designed. http://librenix.com/?inode=21
> Attack and intrusion are not impossible, but the odds of wide disruption
> are slim, and probably will remain so. But believe what you will.
>

Nah...you've got that all wrong. The size of the target is most important.
If a hacker says "i hacked into an open source linux distro" you think
he has any bragging rights? Who cares? They'll just laugh at him!
But If he says "i just hacked into a bank of server 2003's", then he's
king of hill!
Frank

"Frank" <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in message
news:eC$LLYKhHHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> norm wrote:
>
>>
>> The answer is a bit more involved than what your simple statement would
>> indicate. A target (large or small) sufficiently designed against attack
>> and intrusion has an upper hand over a target (large or small) that is
>> not so designed. http://librenix.com/?inode=21
>> Attack and intrusion are not impossible, but the odds of wide disruption
>> are slim, and probably will remain so. But believe what you will.
>>
>
> Nah...you've got that all wrong. The size of the target is most important.
> If a hacker says "i hacked into an open source linux distro" you think he
> has any bragging rights? Who cares? They'll just laugh at him!
> But If he says "i just hacked into a bank of server 2003's", then he's
> king of hill!
> Frank

What I find interesting is that now that Mac is becoming more and more wide
spread (for whatever reason) it's becoming more of a target and people are
quickly discovering just how unsecured OSX really is. Gee, didn't many of
us say that exact thing would happen a year or two ago?

The same would happen to linux if it ever gets big enough for anyone to
care.

side note: now michael has to count to 4, I hope he's up to it!