I have a bunch of computers; MCE, XP Home, XP Pro, Macintosh, a NAS running a
UpnP server, a UPnP audio device, a Viiv server, etc. and have some questions:

Seems like I am reading that WMP 11 replaced WMC, is this really UPnP
compliant? a guy at the MS boot at CES seemed to indicate yes but was sketchy
on details and had many caveots.

Should WMP 11 see my Viiv server?

Can WMP be both a client AND server on XP? I was told yes on Vista but got
puzzled look when asking about on XP.
- Can I share media from one XP machine and go to another XP machine both
running WMP 11 and see the shared content in the "client" WMP? there does
not seem to be any menu for browsing to see other computers or things such as
Viiv server or a NAS running UPnP.
Do the new hardware devices from companies like D-Link & Netgear see the
shared
items from WMP 11? nobody at CES was really clear about that.
Any software available that uses a "remote control" TV like interface that
will see WMP or UPnP "served" content? I picked up a demo copy of the new
version of Nero and it has a nice interface but it is a little funky when
accessing content over the network - it needs to "collect" media or run
something called Nero Scout which I have not figured out yet.

So many cool products that don't work cool together quite yet!
I wish there was a Media User Group in the Chicago area!!

dantel wrote:
> I have a bunch of computers; MCE, XP Home, XP Pro, Macintosh, a NAS
> running a UpnP server, a UPnP audio device, a Viiv server, etc. and
> have some questions:
>
> Seems like I am reading that WMP 11 replaced WMC, is this really UPnP
> compliant? a guy at the MS boot at CES seemed to indicate yes but was
> sketchy on details and had many caveots.
>
> Should WMP 11 see my Viiv server?
>
> Can WMP be both a client AND server on XP? I was told yes on Vista
> but got puzzled look when asking about on XP.
> - Can I share media from one XP machine and go to another XP machine
> both running WMP 11 and see the shared content in the "client" WMP?
> there does not seem to be any menu for browsing to see other
> computers or things such as Viiv server or a NAS running UPnP.
> Do the new hardware devices from companies like D-Link & Netgear see
> the shared
> items from WMP 11? nobody at CES was really clear about that.
> Any software available that uses a "remote control" TV like interface
> that will see WMP or UPnP "served" content? I picked up a demo copy
> of the new version of Nero and it has a nice interface but it is a
> little funky when accessing content over the network - it needs to
> "collect" media or run something called Nero Scout which I have not
> figured out yet.
>
> So many cool products that don't work cool together quite yet!
> I wish there was a Media User Group in the Chicago area!!

WMP11 seems to have broken upnp media sharing, which used to work with WMP10
and Windows Media Connect 2. Moreover, other Windows based media servers
have stopped working. I have an Acer 3705 MGW TV with a built in media
gateway which is now useless. I tried to revert to WMP10 and WMC2, but it
did not work. I tried to diagnose with Cidero Media Controller, looks like
WMP does not authorise my devices, despite a correct configuration. I tested
with no firewalls, and my router supports upnp.

That's one of the most dirty MS update I have experienced, these guys have
no sense of QA, they dump half baked updates and let us debug. They should
open a web site where we could bill them for our wasted time !

--
email: http://viadresse.com/?15121940

To be fair, I wouldn't call the update dirty or lacking in QA but they really
missed the boat on this. The guy I spoke with at CES said the questions I
was asking were beyond what normal users get into - I think they tried to
over simplify it and as a result lost some "touch and feel" - if it isn't
working, it is hard to tell why - there isn't a lot of dialog. Also, I spent
a good deal of time this afternoon playing with three computers running 11
and I can not get a single one to connect to another as a client which
contradicts what they told me at CES. I think it may work on Vista machines
but could not see it there because I think the machines were locked down and
the dude I was speaking with didn't know the admin pass and couldn't get it
working or he was just wrong about one computer being able to be a client to
another or did not understand the question. I am able to get my SMC audio
thing to log in to several WMP 11's and pull audio though so keep trying with
your Acer device.


"garcin lazare" wrote:

> dantel wrote:
> > I have a bunch of computers; MCE, XP Home, XP Pro, Macintosh, a NAS
> > running a UpnP server, a UPnP audio device, a Viiv server, etc. and
> > have some questions:
> >
> > Seems like I am reading that WMP 11 replaced WMC, is this really UPnP
> > compliant? a guy at the MS boot at CES seemed to indicate yes but was
> > sketchy on details and had many caveots.
> >
> > Should WMP 11 see my Viiv server?
> >
> > Can WMP be both a client AND server on XP? I was told yes on Vista
> > but got puzzled look when asking about on XP.
> > - Can I share media from one XP machine and go to another XP machine
> > both running WMP 11 and see the shared content in the "client" WMP?
> > there does not seem to be any menu for browsing to see other
> > computers or things such as Viiv server or a NAS running UPnP.
> > Do the new hardware devices from companies like D-Link & Netgear see
> > the shared
> > items from WMP 11? nobody at CES was really clear about that.
> > Any software available that uses a "remote control" TV like interface
> > that will see WMP or UPnP "served" content? I picked up a demo copy
> > of the new version of Nero and it has a nice interface but it is a
> > little funky when accessing content over the network - it needs to
> > "collect" media or run something called Nero Scout which I have not
> > figured out yet.
> >
> > So many cool products that don't work cool together quite yet!
> > I wish there was a Media User Group in the Chicago area!!
>
> WMP11 seems to have broken upnp media sharing, which used to work with WMP10
> and Windows Media Connect 2. Moreover, other Windows based media servers
> have stopped working. I have an Acer 3705 MGW TV with a built in media
> gateway which is now useless. I tried to revert to WMP10 and WMC2, but it
> did not work. I tried to diagnose with Cidero Media Controller, looks like
> WMP does not authorise my devices, despite a correct configuration. I tested
> with no firewalls, and my router supports upnp.
>
> That's one of the most dirty MS update I have experienced, these guys have
> no sense of QA, they dump half baked updates and let us debug. They should
> open a web site where we could bill them for our wasted time !
>
> --
> email: http://viadresse.com/?15121940
>
>
>

PC to PC sharing is not supported on XP - that's a feature available on
Vista.

--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--
"dantel" <dantel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:359696C6-CA38-4932-990A-EF609CBF917A@microsoft.com...
> To be fair, I wouldn't call the update dirty or lacking in QA but they
> really
> missed the boat on this. The guy I spoke with at CES said the questions I
> was asking were beyond what normal users get into - I think they tried to
> over simplify it and as a result lost some "touch and feel" - if it isn't
> working, it is hard to tell why - there isn't a lot of dialog. Also, I
> spent
> a good deal of time this afternoon playing with three computers running 11
> and I can not get a single one to connect to another as a client which
> contradicts what they told me at CES. I think it may work on Vista
> machines
> but could not see it there because I think the machines were locked down
> and
> the dude I was speaking with didn't know the admin pass and couldn't get
> it
> working or he was just wrong about one computer being able to be a client
> to
> another or did not understand the question. I am able to get my SMC audio
> thing to log in to several WMP 11's and pull audio though so keep trying
> with
> your Acer device.
>
>
> "garcin lazare" wrote:
>
>> dantel wrote:
>> > I have a bunch of computers; MCE, XP Home, XP Pro, Macintosh, a NAS
>> > running a UpnP server, a UPnP audio device, a Viiv server, etc. and
>> > have some questions:
>> >
>> > Seems like I am reading that WMP 11 replaced WMC, is this really UPnP
>> > compliant? a guy at the MS boot at CES seemed to indicate yes but was
>> > sketchy on details and had many caveots.
>> >
>> > Should WMP 11 see my Viiv server?
>> >
>> > Can WMP be both a client AND server on XP? I was told yes on Vista
>> > but got puzzled look when asking about on XP.
>> > - Can I share media from one XP machine and go to another XP machine
>> > both running WMP 11 and see the shared content in the "client" WMP?
>> > there does not seem to be any menu for browsing to see other
>> > computers or things such as Viiv server or a NAS running UPnP.
>> > Do the new hardware devices from companies like D-Link & Netgear see
>> > the shared
>> > items from WMP 11? nobody at CES was really clear about that.
>> > Any software available that uses a "remote control" TV like interface
>> > that will see WMP or UPnP "served" content? I picked up a demo copy
>> > of the new version of Nero and it has a nice interface but it is a
>> > little funky when accessing content over the network - it needs to
>> > "collect" media or run something called Nero Scout which I have not
>> > figured out yet.
>> >
>> > So many cool products that don't work cool together quite yet!
>> > I wish there was a Media User Group in the Chicago area!!
>>
>> WMP11 seems to have broken upnp media sharing, which used to work with
>> WMP10
>> and Windows Media Connect 2. Moreover, other Windows based media servers
>> have stopped working. I have an Acer 3705 MGW TV with a built in media
>> gateway which is now useless. I tried to revert to WMP10 and WMC2, but it
>> did not work. I tried to diagnose with Cidero Media Controller, looks
>> like
>> WMP does not authorise my devices, despite a correct configuration. I
>> tested
>> with no firewalls, and my router supports upnp.
>>
>> That's one of the most dirty MS update I have experienced, these guys
>> have
>> no sense of QA, they dump half baked updates and let us debug. They
>> should
>> open a web site where we could bill them for our wasted time !
>>
>> --
>> email: http://viadresse.com/?15121940
>>
>>
>>

Thanks Zach, too bad it is not in XP.
Do you know if in Vista WMP can be a client to a Viiv server and other forms
of UPnP / DLNA NAS and the sort??

"zachd [MSFT]" wrote:

>
> PC to PC sharing is not supported on XP - that's a feature available on
> Vista.
>
> --
> Speaking for myself only.
> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> --
> "dantel" <dantel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:359696C6-CA38-4932-990A-EF609CBF917A@microsoft.com...
> > To be fair, I wouldn't call the update dirty or lacking in QA but they
> > really
> > missed the boat on this. The guy I spoke with at CES said the questions I
> > was asking were beyond what normal users get into - I think they tried to
> > over simplify it and as a result lost some "touch and feel" - if it isn't
> > working, it is hard to tell why - there isn't a lot of dialog. Also, I
> > spent
> > a good deal of time this afternoon playing with three computers running 11
> > and I can not get a single one to connect to another as a client which
> > contradicts what they told me at CES. I think it may work on Vista
> > machines
> > but could not see it there because I think the machines were locked down
> > and
> > the dude I was speaking with didn't know the admin pass and couldn't get
> > it
> > working or he was just wrong about one computer being able to be a client
> > to
> > another or did not understand the question. I am able to get my SMC audio
> > thing to log in to several WMP 11's and pull audio though so keep trying
> > with
> > your Acer device.
> >
> >
> > "garcin lazare" wrote:
> >
> >> dantel wrote:
> >> > I have a bunch of computers; MCE, XP Home, XP Pro, Macintosh, a NAS
> >> > running a UpnP server, a UPnP audio device, a Viiv server, etc. and
> >> > have some questions:
> >> >
> >> > Seems like I am reading that WMP 11 replaced WMC, is this really UPnP
> >> > compliant? a guy at the MS boot at CES seemed to indicate yes but was
> >> > sketchy on details and had many caveots.
> >> >
> >> > Should WMP 11 see my Viiv server?
> >> >
> >> > Can WMP be both a client AND server on XP? I was told yes on Vista
> >> > but got puzzled look when asking about on XP.
> >> > - Can I share media from one XP machine and go to another XP machine
> >> > both running WMP 11 and see the shared content in the "client" WMP?
> >> > there does not seem to be any menu for browsing to see other
> >> > computers or things such as Viiv server or a NAS running UPnP.
> >> > Do the new hardware devices from companies like D-Link & Netgear see
> >> > the shared
> >> > items from WMP 11? nobody at CES was really clear about that.
> >> > Any software available that uses a "remote control" TV like interface
> >> > that will see WMP or UPnP "served" content? I picked up a demo copy
> >> > of the new version of Nero and it has a nice interface but it is a
> >> > little funky when accessing content over the network - it needs to
> >> > "collect" media or run something called Nero Scout which I have not
> >> > figured out yet.
> >> >
> >> > So many cool products that don't work cool together quite yet!
> >> > I wish there was a Media User Group in the Chicago area!!
> >>
> >> WMP11 seems to have broken upnp media sharing, which used to work with
> >> WMP10
> >> and Windows Media Connect 2. Moreover, other Windows based media servers
> >> have stopped working. I have an Acer 3705 MGW TV with a built in media
> >> gateway which is now useless. I tried to revert to WMP10 and WMC2, but it
> >> did not work. I tried to diagnose with Cidero Media Controller, looks
> >> like
> >> WMP does not authorise my devices, despite a correct configuration. I
> >> tested
> >> with no firewalls, and my router supports upnp.
> >>
> >> That's one of the most dirty MS update I have experienced, these guys
> >> have
> >> no sense of QA, they dump half baked updates and let us debug. They
> >> should
> >> open a web site where we could bill them for our wasted time !
> >>
> >> --
> >> email: http://viadresse.com/?15121940
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Maybe your devices require album art of 175x175. Microsoft continues to
provide compatibility with devices who require miniscule album art and I am
sure they'll restrict the album art for all WMP users to 175x175 if this is
the case. Compatibility with older devices is the single most important
issue with the Windows Media Player product team other than simplification
of the user interface.

What's that, you say? Your device doesn't care about album art and
especially its size? I must be mistaken then. Compatibility with older
devices must not really matter one single twit to the Microsoft Windows
Media Player product team. I must have been misled.

Dale


"garcin lazare" <noname@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:O90Y99COHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> dantel wrote:
>> I have a bunch of computers; MCE, XP Home, XP Pro, Macintosh, a NAS
>> running a UpnP server, a UPnP audio device, a Viiv server, etc. and
>> have some questions:
>>
>> Seems like I am reading that WMP 11 replaced WMC, is this really UPnP
>> compliant? a guy at the MS boot at CES seemed to indicate yes but was
>> sketchy on details and had many caveots.
>>
>> Should WMP 11 see my Viiv server?
>>
>> Can WMP be both a client AND server on XP? I was told yes on Vista
>> but got puzzled look when asking about on XP.
>> - Can I share media from one XP machine and go to another XP machine
>> both running WMP 11 and see the shared content in the "client" WMP?
>> there does not seem to be any menu for browsing to see other
>> computers or things such as Viiv server or a NAS running UPnP.
>> Do the new hardware devices from companies like D-Link & Netgear see
>> the shared
>> items from WMP 11? nobody at CES was really clear about that.
>> Any software available that uses a "remote control" TV like interface
>> that will see WMP or UPnP "served" content? I picked up a demo copy
>> of the new version of Nero and it has a nice interface but it is a
>> little funky when accessing content over the network - it needs to
>> "collect" media or run something called Nero Scout which I have not
>> figured out yet.
>>
>> So many cool products that don't work cool together quite yet!
>> I wish there was a Media User Group in the Chicago area!!
>
> WMP11 seems to have broken upnp media sharing, which used to work with
> WMP10 and Windows Media Connect 2. Moreover, other Windows based media
> servers have stopped working. I have an Acer 3705 MGW TV with a built in
> media gateway which is now useless. I tried to revert to WMP10 and WMC2,
> but it did not work. I tried to diagnose with Cidero Media Controller,
> looks like WMP does not authorise my devices, despite a correct
> configuration. I tested with no firewalls, and my router supports upnp.
>
> That's one of the most dirty MS update I have experienced, these guys have
> no sense of QA, they dump half baked updates and let us debug. They should
> open a web site where we could bill them for our wasted time !
>
> --
> email: http://viadresse.com/?15121940
>

dantel wrote:
> Also, I spent a good deal of time this
> afternoon playing with three computers running 11 and I can not get a
> single one to connect to another as a client which contradicts what
> they told me at CES. >>>

It's not built into XP or WMP, but there are some progs which do that. Intel
tools
(http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...upnp/index.htm)
are an example. If you are a developer source code is available.