I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting to
muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive motherboard so
I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.

Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE drives
go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I got sick
of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned ATA off in
BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I attempted to make
them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the drivers but it only
resulted in both drives not being available to the system and Vista refusing
to boot. So I did a restore from image backup to a day ago and still without
the ATA drive attached and ATA being disabled in bios, when it came back to
Windows, it shows the IDE drives as their model name and "ATA device" when
they are IDE.

So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are IDE
again please? Thanks.

"Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting to
>muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive motherboard so
>I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>
> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE drives
> go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I got sick
> of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned ATA off
> in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I attempted to
> make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the drivers but it
> only resulted in both drives not being available to the system and Vista
> refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup to a day ago and
> still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being disabled in bios, when
> it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives as their model name and
> "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>
> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
> IDE again please? Thanks.
>[/color]

[url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
"2.2 IDE and ATA
IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive implementation
designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself, thereby reducing
interface costs, and making firmware implementations easier. This low
cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive industry, as PC
integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since the late 80's,
ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of choice for the cost
inhibited buyer."

Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.



John.

ATA can mean either Serial ATA(SATA) or Parallel ATA(PATA)also called IDE.

"John E" <JCE@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
news:0DC49C37-92EA-4FA6-BCD1-B58524568343@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>
>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
>> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned
>> ATA off in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I
>> attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the
>> drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to the
>> system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup
>> to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being
>> disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives
>> as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>
>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>[/color]
>
> [url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
> "2.2 IDE and ATA
> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself,
> thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware implementations
> easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive
> industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since
> the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of
> choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>
> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>
>
>
> John.
>[/color]

"Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting to
>muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive motherboard so
>I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>
> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE drives
> go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I got sick
> of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned ATA off
> in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I attempted to
> make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the drivers but it
> only resulted in both drives not being available to the system and Vista
> refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup to a day ago and
> still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being disabled in bios, when
> it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives as their model name and
> "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>
> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
> IDE again please? Thanks.
>[/color]

[url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
"2.2 IDE and ATA
IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive implementation
designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself, thereby reducing
interface costs, and making firmware implementations easier. This low
cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive industry, as PC
integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since the late 80's,
ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of choice for the cost
inhibited buyer."

Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.



John.

ATA can mean either Serial ATA(SATA) or Parallel ATA(PATA)also called IDE.

"John E" <JCE@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
news:0DC49C37-92EA-4FA6-BCD1-B58524568343@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>
>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
>> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned
>> ATA off in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I
>> attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the
>> drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to the
>> system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup
>> to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being
>> disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives
>> as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>
>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>[/color]
>
> [url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
> "2.2 IDE and ATA
> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself,
> thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware implementations
> easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive
> industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since
> the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of
> choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>
> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>
>
>
> John.
>[/color]

"John E" <JCE@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
news:0DC49C37-92EA-4FA6-BCD1-B58524568343@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>
>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
>> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned
>> ATA off in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I
>> attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the
>> drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to the
>> system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup
>> to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being
>> disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives
>> as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>
>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>[/color]
>
> [url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
> "2.2 IDE and ATA
> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself,
> thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware implementations
> easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive
> industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since
> the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of
> choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>
> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>[/color]

Thanks for that. I did disable SATA in Bios only to see what happens to the
drives. Anyway that explains it.

Interesting footnote - the ACTUALLY SATA drive on the system is now working
properly whereas it wouldn't work reliably until this point. For reasons
unknown it would want to be installed every time I reboot. I tried all sorts
of things to no avail, including trying to get it to search "C" drive for a
driver. It didn't find one. Finally, I told it to search in system32 and
wonder of wonders, not only did it install properly, it stuck, this time.

Dunno what that was all about but was seriously considering a fresh install.
At least I don't have to, now.

"John E" <JCE@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
news:0DC49C37-92EA-4FA6-BCD1-B58524568343@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>
>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
>> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned
>> ATA off in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I
>> attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the
>> drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to the
>> system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup
>> to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being
>> disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives
>> as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>
>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>[/color]
>
> [url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
> "2.2 IDE and ATA
> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself,
> thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware implementations
> easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive
> industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since
> the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of
> choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>
> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>[/color]

Thanks for that. I did disable SATA in Bios only to see what happens to the
drives. Anyway that explains it.

Interesting footnote - the ACTUALLY SATA drive on the system is now working
properly whereas it wouldn't work reliably until this point. For reasons
unknown it would want to be installed every time I reboot. I tried all sorts
of things to no avail, including trying to get it to search "C" drive for a
driver. It didn't find one. Finally, I told it to search in system32 and
wonder of wonders, not only did it install properly, it stuck, this time.

Dunno what that was all about but was seriously considering a fresh install.
At least I don't have to, now.

"John E" <JCE@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
news:0DC49C37-92EA-4FA6-BCD1-B58524568343@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>
>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
>> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned
>> ATA off in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I
>> attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the
>> drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to the
>> system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup
>> to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being
>> disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives
>> as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>
>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>[/color]
>
> [url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
> "2.2 IDE and ATA
> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself,
> thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware implementations
> easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive
> industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since
> the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of
> choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>
> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>[/color]

Thanks for that. I did disable SATA in Bios only to see what happens to the
drives. Anyway that explains it.

Interesting footnote - the ACTUALLY SATA drive on the system is now working
properly whereas it wouldn't work reliably until this point. For reasons
unknown it would want to be installed every time I reboot. I tried all sorts
of things to no avail, including trying to get it to search "C" drive for a
driver. It didn't find one. Finally, I told it to search in system32 and
wonder of wonders, not only did it install properly, it stuck, this time.

Dunno what that was all about but was seriously considering a fresh install.
At least I don't have to, now.

"John E" <JCE@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
news:0DC49C37-92EA-4FA6-BCD1-B58524568343@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>
>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
>> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned
>> ATA off in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I
>> attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the
>> drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to the
>> system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup
>> to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being
>> disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives
>> as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>
>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>[/color]
>
> [url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
> "2.2 IDE and ATA
> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself,
> thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware implementations
> easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive
> industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since
> the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of
> choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>
> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>[/color]

Thanks for that. I did disable SATA in Bios only to see what happens to the
drives. Anyway that explains it.

Interesting footnote - the ACTUALLY SATA drive on the system is now working
properly whereas it wouldn't work reliably until this point. For reasons
unknown it would want to be installed every time I reboot. I tried all sorts
of things to no avail, including trying to get it to search "C" drive for a
driver. It didn't find one. Finally, I told it to search in system32 and
wonder of wonders, not only did it install properly, it stuck, this time.

Dunno what that was all about but was seriously considering a fresh install.
At least I don't have to, now.

"John E" <JCE@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
news:0DC49C37-92EA-4FA6-BCD1-B58524568343@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>
>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
>> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned
>> ATA off in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I
>> attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the
>> drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to the
>> system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup
>> to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being
>> disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives
>> as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>
>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>[/color]
>
> [url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
> "2.2 IDE and ATA
> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself,
> thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware implementations
> easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive
> industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since
> the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of
> choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>
> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>[/color]

Thanks for that. I did disable SATA in Bios only to see what happens to the
drives. Anyway that explains it.

Interesting footnote - the ACTUALLY SATA drive on the system is now working
properly whereas it wouldn't work reliably until this point. For reasons
unknown it would want to be installed every time I reboot. I tried all sorts
of things to no avail, including trying to get it to search "C" drive for a
driver. It didn't find one. Finally, I told it to search in system32 and
wonder of wonders, not only did it install properly, it stuck, this time.

Dunno what that was all about but was seriously considering a fresh install.
At least I don't have to, now.

"John E" <JCE@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
news:0DC49C37-92EA-4FA6-BCD1-B58524568343@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>
>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
>> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned
>> ATA off in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I
>> attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the
>> drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to the
>> system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup
>> to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being
>> disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives
>> as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>
>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>[/color]
>
> [url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
> "2.2 IDE and ATA
> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself,
> thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware implementations
> easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive
> industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since
> the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of
> choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>
> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>[/color]

Thanks for that. I did disable SATA in Bios only to see what happens to the
drives. Anyway that explains it.

Interesting footnote - the ACTUALLY SATA drive on the system is now working
properly whereas it wouldn't work reliably until this point. For reasons
unknown it would want to be installed every time I reboot. I tried all sorts
of things to no avail, including trying to get it to search "C" drive for a
driver. It didn't find one. Finally, I told it to search in system32 and
wonder of wonders, not only did it install properly, it stuck, this time.

Dunno what that was all about but was seriously considering a fresh install.
At least I don't have to, now.

"John E" <JCE@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
news:0DC49C37-92EA-4FA6-BCD1-B58524568343@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>
>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
>> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned
>> ATA off in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I
>> attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the
>> drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to the
>> system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup
>> to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being
>> disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives
>> as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>
>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>[/color]
>
> [url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
> "2.2 IDE and ATA
> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself,
> thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware implementations
> easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive
> industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since
> the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of
> choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>
> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>[/color]

Thanks for that. I did disable SATA in Bios only to see what happens to the
drives. Anyway that explains it.

Interesting footnote - the ACTUALLY SATA drive on the system is now working
properly whereas it wouldn't work reliably until this point. For reasons
unknown it would want to be installed every time I reboot. I tried all sorts
of things to no avail, including trying to get it to search "C" drive for a
driver. It didn't find one. Finally, I told it to search in system32 and
wonder of wonders, not only did it install properly, it stuck, this time.

Dunno what that was all about but was seriously considering a fresh install.
At least I don't have to, now.

"John E" <JCE@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
news:0DC49C37-92EA-4FA6-BCD1-B58524568343@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>
>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
>> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned
>> ATA off in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I
>> attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the
>> drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to the
>> system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup
>> to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being
>> disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives
>> as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>
>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>[/color]
>
> [url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
> "2.2 IDE and ATA
> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself,
> thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware implementations
> easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive
> industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since
> the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of
> choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>
> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>[/color]

Thanks for that. I did disable SATA in Bios only to see what happens to the
drives. Anyway that explains it.

Interesting footnote - the ACTUALLY SATA drive on the system is now working
properly whereas it wouldn't work reliably until this point. For reasons
unknown it would want to be installed every time I reboot. I tried all sorts
of things to no avail, including trying to get it to search "C" drive for a
driver. It didn't find one. Finally, I told it to search in system32 and
wonder of wonders, not only did it install properly, it stuck, this time.

Dunno what that was all about but was seriously considering a fresh install.
At least I don't have to, now.

"John E" <JCE@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
news:0DC49C37-92EA-4FA6-BCD1-B58524568343@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>
>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
>> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned
>> ATA off in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up. I
>> attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the
>> drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to the
>> system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup
>> to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being
>> disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives
>> as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>
>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>[/color]
>
> [url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
> "2.2 IDE and ATA
> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself,
> thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware implementations
> easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive
> industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since
> the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of
> choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>
> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>[/color]

Thanks for that. I did disable SATA in Bios only to see what happens to the
drives. Anyway that explains it.

Interesting footnote - the ACTUALLY SATA drive on the system is now working
properly whereas it wouldn't work reliably until this point. For reasons
unknown it would want to be installed every time I reboot. I tried all sorts
of things to no avail, including trying to get it to search "C" drive for a
driver. It didn't find one. Finally, I told it to search in system32 and
wonder of wonders, not only did it install properly, it stuck, this time.

Dunno what that was all about but was seriously considering a fresh install.
At least I don't have to, now.

"Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
news:e$bGt7yUHHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "John E" <JCE@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0DC49C37-92EA-4FA6-BCD1-B58524568343@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
>> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>>
>>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as
>>> a backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then
>>> turned ATA off in BIOS but still the ****ed IDE drives were playing up.
>>> I attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling
>>> the drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to
>>> the system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image
>>> backup to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA
>>> being disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE
>>> drives as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>>
>>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> [url]http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/atafaq/atafq2.htm#ss2.2[/url]
>> "2.2 IDE and ATA
>> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
>> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
>> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive
>> itself, thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware
>> implementations easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in
>> the disk drive industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost
>> alternative. Since the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has
>> become the drive of choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>>
>> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>>[/color]
>
> Thanks for that. I did disable SATA in Bios only to see what happens to
> the drives. Anyway that explains it.
>
> Interesting footnote - the ACTUALLY SATA drive on the system is now
> working properly whereas it wouldn't work reliably until this point. For
> reasons unknown it would want to be installed every time I reboot. I tried
> all sorts of things to no avail, including trying to get it to search "C"
> drive for a driver. It didn't find one. Finally, I told it to search in
> system32 and wonder of wonders, not only did it install properly, it
> stuck, this time.
>
> Dunno what that was all about but was seriously considering a fresh
> install. At least I don't have to, now.
>[/color]

Thanks for the reply. I have found setting up SATA in the BIOS is extremely
confusing (at least on my Asus Motherboard). I usually end up trying various
combinations of settings, to see which one works.

John.