Hello,

My computer freezes and reboots when I surf the web. I use Firefox, Internet
Explorer just doesn't cut it for me. My Windows is fully up to date. It also
happens when I use Azureus.

AMD Athlon 64+ X2 6400+ Black Edition

Zalman CNPS9500 AM2 Cooling

WD Raptor 36 GB Primary Hard Drive

ASUS M2N-E SLI Motherboard

Seagate 7200.1 500 GB Hard Drive

Ultra X-Finity 600w PSU

OCZ Vista Upgrade Dual Channel 4096MB PC5400 DDR2 667MHz Memory

BFG Tech nVidia 8800 GTX 768 MB Video Card

Apevia Black X-Plorer ATX Mid-Tower Case (to which I have attached 3 80mm
fans and one 120mm fan)

What do you think it can be?

Just happened again while viewing the optional updates. I'm using Windows
Vista Ultimate.

Do you have a way to read the mobo temperature?

"Quik" <Quik@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4517B1BE-236C-41BE-8433-0229F650A62D@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Hello,
>
> My computer freezes and reboots when I surf the web. I use Firefox,
> Internet
> Explorer just doesn't cut it for me. My Windows is fully up to date. It
> also
> happens when I use Azureus.
>
> AMD Athlon 64+ X2 6400+ Black Edition
>
> Zalman CNPS9500 AM2 Cooling
>
> WD Raptor 36 GB Primary Hard Drive
>
> ASUS M2N-E SLI Motherboard
>
> Seagate 7200.1 500 GB Hard Drive
>
> Ultra X-Finity 600w PSU
>
> OCZ Vista Upgrade Dual Channel 4096MB PC5400 DDR2 667MHz Memory
>
> BFG Tech nVidia 8800 GTX 768 MB Video Card
>
> Apevia Black X-Plorer ATX Mid-Tower Case (to which I have attached 3 80mm
> fans and one 120mm fan)
>
> What do you think it can be?
>[/color]

Yes, ASUS' PCPROBE II it idles at 36 and maxes out at 43. Asus says it
shouldn't go past 45-50, I'm quite sure cooling isn't the problem :)

Good. That is the first thing to check with the symtoms you are seeing.
The next step is to reseat the video card, then the ram. After that,
connectors.

"Quik" <Quik@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9B4742EF-C837-40B0-9B91-7B4A4FC59F6C@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Yes, ASUS' PCPROBE II it idles at 36 and maxes out at 43. Asus says it
> shouldn't go past 45-50, I'm quite sure cooling isn't the problem :)[/color]

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Good. That is the first thing to check with the symtoms you are seeing.
> The next step is to reseat the video card, then the ram. After that,
> connectors.[/color]

Already done all that, it's not the ram or the video card. What do you mean
by "connectors"? Specifically which connectors could cause this to happen?

The hard drive connectors come to mind.

"Quik" <Quik@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:866363E0-8576-4EB9-878A-521EB4F0FA5A@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Good. That is the first thing to check with the symtoms you are seeing.
>> The next step is to reseat the video card, then the ram. After that,
>> connectors.[/color]
>
> Already done all that, it's not the ram or the video card. What do you
> mean
> by "connectors"? Specifically which connectors could cause this to happen?[/color]

Okay, I just checked the SATA power and data cables and redid my connections
and booted the computer. Less than 10 minutes after I started using it, it
crashed again. The connections looked fine to begin with though. Any other
ideas?

Is Firefox up to date with the lastest patch? There have been memory leak
issues with Firefox and since you seem to always be surfing when this
happens I just thought I'd ask. If it is up to date then it might be time
to uninstall it and reboot for testing purposes. Azureus as well. If the
issue persists when testing with just IE7 at least you will have eliminated
some likely possibilities.

"Quik" <Quik@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:95596C73-667B-4B2C-9DE1-A9A76A5FAF85@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Okay, I just checked the SATA power and data cables and redid my
> connections
> and booted the computer. Less than 10 minutes after I started using it, it
> crashed again. The connections looked fine to begin with though. Any other
> ideas?[/color]

Well I reinstalled Winamp, Azureus and Firefox and I had them running all at
once now and the computer crashed again. It took longer to crash but it
crashed. I was looking at vista's resource monitor and it was telling me
almost 150 hard fails/min on the Azureus.exe process. I did a test with
Microsoft's Memory Diagnostic and I had 2 runs with it and 0 errors...

It just happened recently though, I had the computer running for a month and
a half without problems and its starting to give me problems now.

I have seen some of the gurus on memory that post in this ng comment that
the results from the Microsoft diagnostic is not definitive and that a more
exacting tester is needed if one is to eliminate memory as a possible cause.
I have used Azureus on x64 Vista without the behavior you describe. I will
leave the memory issue to the gurus in the hope that one will respond. In
the meantime I suggest you take a look at this KB article:
[url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936212/en-us[/url]

"Quik" <Quik@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:380B1AAF-72DB-475C-8B3C-C6B5B97B0191@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Well I reinstalled Winamp, Azureus and Firefox and I had them running all
> at
> once now and the computer crashed again. It took longer to crash but it
> crashed. I was looking at vista's resource monitor and it was telling me
> almost 150 hard fails/min on the Azureus.exe process. I did a test with
> Microsoft's Memory Diagnostic and I had 2 runs with it and 0 errors...
>
> It just happened recently though, I had the computer running for a month
> and
> a half without problems and its starting to give me problems now.[/color]

I have had the same type of problem, but I was lucky, when I changed the
powerunit from a 350W to 420W the computer worked just fine.


Good luck
"Quik" <Quik@discussions.microsoft.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:4517B1BE-236C-41BE-8433-0229F650A62D@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Hello,
>
> My computer freezes and reboots when I surf the web. I use Firefox,
> Internet
> Explorer just doesn't cut it for me. My Windows is fully up to date. It
> also
> happens when I use Azureus.
>
> AMD Athlon 64+ X2 6400+ Black Edition
>
> Zalman CNPS9500 AM2 Cooling
>
> WD Raptor 36 GB Primary Hard Drive
>
> ASUS M2N-E SLI Motherboard
>
> Seagate 7200.1 500 GB Hard Drive
>
> Ultra X-Finity 600w PSU
>
> OCZ Vista Upgrade Dual Channel 4096MB PC5400 DDR2 667MHz Memory
>
> BFG Tech nVidia 8800 GTX 768 MB Video Card
>
> Apevia Black X-Plorer ATX Mid-Tower Case (to which I have attached 3 80mm
> fans and one 120mm fan)
>
> What do you think it can be?
>[/color]

Colin,
A faulty memory stick could be the cause.
In that case the OP might want to download Memtest86
([url]http://www.memtest86.com/[/url]), the memory test utility recommended by
many (one of Charlie's favorites).
Direct D/L link for ISO version:
[url]http://www.memtest86.com/memtest86-3.4a.iso.zip[/url]
Direct D/L link for floppy installer: [url]http://www.memtest86.com/memtest34a.zip[/url]

I also think that the 600W PSU might be working at max capacity, let us not
forget that he has a 6400+ processor (this beast eats 125W!) and an 8800GTX
card (another watts eating device).
:)
Carlos


"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I have seen some of the gurus on memory that post in this ng comment that
> the results from the Microsoft diagnostic is not definitive and that a more
> exacting tester is needed if one is to eliminate memory as a possible cause.
> I have used Azureus on x64 Vista without the behavior you describe. I will
> leave the memory issue to the gurus in the hope that one will respond. In
> the meantime I suggest you take a look at this KB article:
> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936212/en-us[/url]
>
> "Quik" <Quik@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:380B1AAF-72DB-475C-8B3C-C6B5B97B0191@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> > Well I reinstalled Winamp, Azureus and Firefox and I had them running all
> > at
> > once now and the computer crashed again. It took longer to crash but it
> > crashed. I was looking at vista's resource monitor and it was telling me
> > almost 150 hard fails/min on the Azureus.exe process. I did a test with
> > Microsoft's Memory Diagnostic and I had 2 runs with it and 0 errors...
> >
> > It just happened recently though, I had the computer running for a month
> > and
> > a half without problems and its starting to give me problems now.[/color]
>[/color]

Thanks for jumping in Carlos! I needed the help.

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B36F4CF7-6D48-4E30-A337-2B4875440BD5@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Colin,
> A faulty memory stick could be the cause.
> In that case the OP might want to download Memtest86
> ([url]http://www.memtest86.com/[/url]), the memory test utility recommended by
> many (one of Charlie's favorites).
> Direct D/L link for ISO version:
> [url]http://www.memtest86.com/memtest86-3.4a.iso.zip[/url]
> Direct D/L link for floppy installer:
> [url]http://www.memtest86.com/memtest34a.zip[/url]
>
> I also think that the 600W PSU might be working at max capacity, let us
> not
> forget that he has a 6400+ processor (this beast eats 125W!) and an
> 8800GTX
> card (another watts eating device).
> :)
> Carlos
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I have seen some of the gurus on memory that post in this ng comment that
>> the results from the Microsoft diagnostic is not definitive and that a
>> more
>> exacting tester is needed if one is to eliminate memory as a possible
>> cause.
>> I have used Azureus on x64 Vista without the behavior you describe. I
>> will
>> leave the memory issue to the gurus in the hope that one will respond.
>> In
>> the meantime I suggest you take a look at this KB article:
>> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936212/en-us[/url]
>>
>> "Quik" <Quik@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:380B1AAF-72DB-475C-8B3C-C6B5B97B0191@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>> > Well I reinstalled Winamp, Azureus and Firefox and I had them running
>> > all
>> > at
>> > once now and the computer crashed again. It took longer to crash but it
>> > crashed. I was looking at vista's resource monitor and it was telling
>> > me
>> > almost 150 hard fails/min on the Azureus.exe process. I did a test with
>> > Microsoft's Memory Diagnostic and I had 2 runs with it and 0 errors...
>> >
>> > It just happened recently though, I had the computer running for a
>> > month
>> > and
>> > a half without problems and its starting to give me problems now.[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

You are welcome, Colin.
Our beloved 64-bit NG is too quiet lately so I tend to take a peek at this
one and do my stuff here too.
I am electrical engineer so hardware always attracts me (second place after
women!).
:)
Carlos

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Thanks for jumping in Carlos! I needed the help.
>
> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B36F4CF7-6D48-4E30-A337-2B4875440BD5@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> > Colin,
> > A faulty memory stick could be the cause.
> > In that case the OP might want to download Memtest86
> > ([url]http://www.memtest86.com/[/url]), the memory test utility recommended by
> > many (one of Charlie's favorites).
> > Direct D/L link for ISO version:
> > [url]http://www.memtest86.com/memtest86-3.4a.iso.zip[/url]
> > Direct D/L link for floppy installer:
> > [url]http://www.memtest86.com/memtest34a.zip[/url]
> >
> > I also think that the 600W PSU might be working at max capacity, let us
> > not
> > forget that he has a 6400+ processor (this beast eats 125W!) and an
> > 8800GTX
> > card (another watts eating device).
> > :)
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> I have seen some of the gurus on memory that post in this ng comment that
> >> the results from the Microsoft diagnostic is not definitive and that a
> >> more
> >> exacting tester is needed if one is to eliminate memory as a possible
> >> cause.
> >> I have used Azureus on x64 Vista without the behavior you describe. I
> >> will
> >> leave the memory issue to the gurus in the hope that one will respond.
> >> In
> >> the meantime I suggest you take a look at this KB article:
> >> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936212/en-us[/url]
> >>
> >> "Quik" <Quik@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:380B1AAF-72DB-475C-8B3C-C6B5B97B0191@microsoft.com...
> >> > Well I reinstalled Winamp, Azureus and Firefox and I had them running
> >> > all
> >> > at
> >> > once now and the computer crashed again. It took longer to crash but it
> >> > crashed. I was looking at vista's resource monitor and it was telling
> >> > me
> >> > almost 150 hard fails/min on the Azureus.exe process. I did a test with
> >> > Microsoft's Memory Diagnostic and I had 2 runs with it and 0 errors...
> >> >
> >> > It just happened recently though, I had the computer running for a
> >> > month
> >> > and
> >> > a half without problems and its starting to give me problems now.
> >>[/color][/color]
>[/color]