We are confronted with massive lack of hardware drivers in Vista.
Over 60% of our office peripheral equipment cannot be used at all when we
upgrade to Vista.

All the HP DeskJet 970 printers cannot print in duplex because HP declared
they do not have Vista drivers for this printers.

All our HP Scan jet C5200 cannot used at all because HP declared they do not
have Vista drivers for this scanner.

All our Dell Nitro 3D monitor adapters (using S3 ViRge/GX IC) do not have
Vista drivers and we cannot set the monitor to display except the lowest
basic VGA resolutions.

So why in the world Microsoft do not allow XP drivers to be used in Vista?

That means we have to roll back all our Vista systems back to XP and new
purchases in XP only.

The use of the Vista Upgrade Advisor tests your hardware and makes sure they
are Vista compatible.

Also, XP drivers aren't Vista compatible, as the drivers were responsible
for ~90% of crashes with Windows XP. The Vista driver model is made to
prevent those crashes.

--
Dustin Harper
[email]dharper@vistarip.com[/email]
[url]http://www.vistarip.com[/url]


"Andrea Gates" <Andrea.Gates.no.spam@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23%236CaELVIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> We are confronted with massive lack of hardware drivers in Vista.
> Over 60% of our office peripheral equipment cannot be used at all when we
> upgrade to Vista.
>
> All the HP DeskJet 970 printers cannot print in duplex because HP declared
> they do not have Vista drivers for this printers.
>
> All our HP Scan jet C5200 cannot used at all because HP declared they do
> not have Vista drivers for this scanner.
>
> All our Dell Nitro 3D monitor adapters (using S3 ViRge/GX IC) do not have
> Vista drivers and we cannot set the monitor to display except the lowest
> basic VGA resolutions.
>
> So why in the world Microsoft do not allow XP drivers to be used in Vista?
>
> That means we have to roll back all our Vista systems back to XP and new
> purchases in XP only.[/color]

Try setting any driver install exe program to run in XP compatability mode
(Properties tab) Then run the exe as an Admin. Sometimes that works.


"Andrea Gates" <Andrea.Gates.no.spam@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23%236CaELVIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> We are confronted with massive lack of hardware drivers in Vista.
> Over 60% of our office peripheral equipment cannot be used at all when we
> upgrade to Vista.
>
> All the HP DeskJet 970 printers cannot print in duplex because HP declared
> they do not have Vista drivers for this printers.
>
> All our HP Scan jet C5200 cannot used at all because HP declared they do
> not have Vista drivers for this scanner.
>
> All our Dell Nitro 3D monitor adapters (using S3 ViRge/GX IC) do not have
> Vista drivers and we cannot set the monitor to display except the lowest
> basic VGA resolutions.
>
> So why in the world Microsoft do not allow XP drivers to be used in Vista?
>
> That means we have to roll back all our Vista systems back to XP and new
> purchases in XP only.[/color]

Hi Andrea,

Unlike applications, drivers have to be OS-specific. These are not something
that can be used in any sort of compatibility mode, as the main function of
the driver file is to communicate the instructions between the OS and the
hardware. Applications that use compatibility mode use a translation layer
that translates the instructions to compatible instructions. Whether or not
the hardware vendors choose to write these is the problem. There's no profit
in writing new drivers for old hardware, so few companies do it. It's not a
matter of whether or not it should be allowed, the drivers *must* be able to
comply to the OS' standards.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
[url]http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/[/url]
Windows help - [url]www.rickrogers.org[/url]
My thoughts [url]http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com[/url]

"Andrea Gates" <Andrea.Gates.no.spam@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23%236CaELVIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> We are confronted with massive lack of hardware drivers in Vista.
> Over 60% of our office peripheral equipment cannot be used at all when we
> upgrade to Vista.
>
> All the HP DeskJet 970 printers cannot print in duplex because HP declared
> they do not have Vista drivers for this printers.
>
> All our HP Scan jet C5200 cannot used at all because HP declared they do
> not have Vista drivers for this scanner.
>
> All our Dell Nitro 3D monitor adapters (using S3 ViRge/GX IC) do not have
> Vista drivers and we cannot set the monitor to display except the lowest
> basic VGA resolutions.
>
> So why in the world Microsoft do not allow XP drivers to be used in Vista?
>
> That means we have to roll back all our Vista systems back to XP and new
> purchases in XP only.[/color]

You didn't mention which version of Vista you installed, but
when I installed Ultimate it surprisingly (to me , anyway)
loaded the drivers from the Vista disk for my HP 970CSE
printer. The printer works as well as it did under XP,
including photo printing.

Hobo


Andrea Gates wrote:[color=blue]
> We are confronted with massive lack of hardware drivers in Vista.
> Over 60% of our office peripheral equipment cannot be used at all when
> we upgrade to Vista.
>
> All the HP DeskJet 970 printers cannot print in duplex because HP
> declared they do not have Vista drivers for this printers.
>
> All our HP Scan jet C5200 cannot used at all because HP declared they do
> not have Vista drivers for this scanner.
>
> All our Dell Nitro 3D monitor adapters (using S3 ViRge/GX IC) do not
> have Vista drivers and we cannot set the monitor to display except the
> lowest basic VGA resolutions.
>
> So why in the world Microsoft do not allow XP drivers to be used in Vista?
>
> That means we have to roll back all our Vista systems back to XP and new
> purchases in XP only.[/color]

"Andrea Gates" <Andrea.Gates.no.spam@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23%236CaELVIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> We are confronted with massive lack of hardware drivers in Vista.
> Over 60% of our office peripheral equipment cannot be used at all when we
> upgrade to Vista.
>
> All the HP DeskJet 970 printers cannot print in duplex because HP declared
> they do not have Vista drivers for this printers.
>
> All our HP Scan jet C5200 cannot used at all because HP declared they do
> not have Vista drivers for this scanner.
>
> All our Dell Nitro 3D monitor adapters (using S3 ViRge/GX IC) do not have
> Vista drivers and we cannot set the monitor to display except the lowest
> basic VGA resolutions.
>
> So why in the world Microsoft do not allow XP drivers to be used in Vista?
>
> That means we have to roll back all our Vista systems back to XP and new
> purchases in XP only.[/color]


You should only have to roll back the system on which you tested Vista for
compatibility with your office systems.

--
Mike Hall - MVP
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx[/url]

Why in the world do you think this is Vista's fault ??

"Andrea Gates" <Andrea.Gates.no.spam@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23%236CaELVIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> We are confronted with massive lack of hardware drivers in Vista.
> Over 60% of our office peripheral equipment cannot be used at all when we
> upgrade to Vista.
>
> All the HP DeskJet 970 printers cannot print in duplex because HP declared
> they do not have Vista drivers for this printers.
>
> All our HP Scan jet C5200 cannot used at all because HP declared they do
> not have Vista drivers for this scanner.
>
> All our Dell Nitro 3D monitor adapters (using S3 ViRge/GX IC) do not have
> Vista drivers and we cannot set the monitor to display except the lowest
> basic VGA resolutions.
>
> So why in the world Microsoft do not allow XP drivers to be used in Vista?
>
> That means we have to roll back all our Vista systems back to XP and new
> purchases in XP only.[/color]

"Hobo" <Hobo@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:B5OdnQByvdgv1hXanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@giganews.com...[color=blue]
> You didn't mention which version of Vista you installed, but when I
> installed Ultimate it surprisingly (to me , anyway) loaded the drivers
> from the Vista disk for my HP 970CSE printer. The printer works as well as
> it did under XP, including photo printing.
>
> Hobo
>[/color]

We are using Vista Ultimate. The HP deskjet 970Cxi no longer print duplex
in Vista Ultimate.

Are you able to print duplex in your HP970cse? How?

"Drew" <sheba3169@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:FEA1E2ED-50B3-4577-989A-8C344C0ABC4E@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Why in the world do you think this is Vista's fault ??
>
>[/color]

Well,

Microsoft does not write the drivers. It is the manufacturer's choice
whether or not to continue to support a device when a new OS is released.

"Andrea Gates" <Andrea.Gates.no.spam@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23zxbDqUVIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Drew" <sheba3169@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:FEA1E2ED-50B3-4577-989A-8C344C0ABC4E@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Why in the world do you think this is Vista's fault ??
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Well,[/color]

Andrea Gates wrote:[color=blue]
> "Hobo" <Hobo@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:B5OdnQByvdgv1hXanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@giganews.com...[color=green]
>> You didn't mention which version of Vista you installed, but when I
>> installed Ultimate it surprisingly (to me , anyway) loaded the drivers
>> from the Vista disk for my HP 970CSE printer. The printer works as
>> well as it did under XP, including photo printing.
>>
>> Hobo
>>[/color]
>
> We are using Vista Ultimate. The HP deskjet 970Cxi no longer print
> duplex in Vista Ultimate.
>
> Are you able to print duplex in your HP970cse? How?[/color]

Hi, Andrea

Yes, I'm able to print in duplex mode. You can try opening
the printer properties window, select 'advanced' ensure
'enable advanced printing features' is checked, then select
the 'printing defaults' box, then select the 'layouts'
tab,then the second option on the left side of the box (the
header of which is 'Print on Both Sides') allows you to
select 'none', 'Flip on Long Edge', or 'Flip on Short Edge'.

Unless the firmware in the Cxi printer is different than the
Cse, this should allow you to enable the duplex function.

If this doesn't work, then a link you might find useful is
[url]http://www.docs.hp.com/en/32022-90051/ch09s07.html[/url].

Best of luck.

Hobo

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4D352275-89F8-41E9-B6E3-BC3F1801C529@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Microsoft does not write the drivers. It is the manufacturer's choice
> whether or not to continue to support a device when a new OS is released.
>[/color]

I can understand why the America landfill dumps are full of functioning
computers.

We found peripheral:
60% of 2005 stuff does not have driver to work on Vista.
99% of 2002 stuff does not work on Vista.

Dream of peripheral makes but consumer nightmare.

What do you want us to do for you? None of us are associated with
Microsoft. This is a public newsgroup where we users volunteer our time to
help other users with questions. It is all voluntary. Make whatever
decision you need to make regarding your operating system.

"Andrea Gates" <Andrea.Gates.no.spam@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ukVR1tgVIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:4D352275-89F8-41E9-B6E3-BC3F1801C529@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Microsoft does not write the drivers. It is the manufacturer's choice
>> whether or not to continue to support a device when a new OS is released.
>>[/color]
>
> I can understand why the America landfill dumps are full of functioning
> computers.
>
> We found peripheral:
> 60% of 2005 stuff does not have driver to work on Vista.
> 99% of 2002 stuff does not work on Vista.
>
> Dream of peripheral makes but consumer nightmare.
>[/color]

Yup..gotta go with Colin on this one...Vista works just not on a Model
T...People seem to buy a new car every couple of yrs but do they try and
take parts off it and get the old one going ?? Nope....the old one is tossed
aside..such is the American way...Another analogy would be when cd's
replaced cassettes Did you try and stuff your cassette in the cd drive?? No
you moved on and bought new equipment !!..I am thinking it is time to do it
again...
"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:15AC2F3B-FB0E-49C8-930C-5E7751D44955@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> What do you want us to do for you? None of us are associated with
> Microsoft. This is a public newsgroup where we users volunteer our time
> to help other users with questions. It is all voluntary. Make whatever
> decision you need to make regarding your operating system.
>
> "Andrea Gates" <Andrea.Gates.no.spam@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:ukVR1tgVIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:4D352275-89F8-41E9-B6E3-BC3F1801C529@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Microsoft does not write the drivers. It is the manufacturer's choice
>>> whether or not to continue to support a device when a new OS is
>>> released.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> I can understand why the America landfill dumps are full of functioning
>> computers.
>>
>> We found peripheral:
>> 60% of 2005 stuff does not have driver to work on Vista.
>> 99% of 2002 stuff does not work on Vista.
>>
>> Dream of peripheral makes but consumer nightmare.
>>[/color]
>[/color]