By literal I mean I am involved in a project that requires a pdf form to be
literally signed with a written signature similar to the way we use debit
cards in commerce and use a stylus to sign our name on some type of small
LCD display at the check-out counter.

Can Tablet PCs be used this way? We have found a .NET library that
interfaces with these devices [1] but I've presumed the Tablet PC can be
used to capture signatures. Anybody have comments about this aspect of
development?

<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1] http://www.topazsystems.com/

I watch mouse movements to capture signatures on just about any
Windows platform with a stylus and/or mouse. Restricting mouse capture
to a window over the display of the pdf would probably work well for
your purposes. For various reasons, I can't share code. But I don't do
anything "deep"; just a bit more attention to details than some other
code.


On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:57:02 -0500, "clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>By literal I mean I am involved in a project that requires a pdf form to be
>literally signed with a written signature similar to the way we use debit
>cards in commerce and use a stylus to sign our name on some type of small
>LCD display at the check-out counter.
>
>Can Tablet PCs be used this way? We have found a .NET library that
>interfaces with these devices [1] but I've presumed the Tablet PC can be
>used to capture signatures. Anybody have comments about this aspect of
>development?
>
><%= Clinton Gallagher
> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
>
>[1] http://www.topazsystems.com/
>
>

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Boston, MA 02116
www.penfact.com

Well thank you for confirming at least one methodology to capture a written
signature. I must surmise somebody has developed a library or a control
which I might acquire. Can you refer me to a library or control I may
acquire? It would help me out a lot right now. I have several hundred pages
of documentation I have to know how to use by Friday!

<%= Clinton

<r_z_aret@pen_fact.com> wrote in message
news:3qflf3pj5mvvqgbjv19qjqs82ephfms0bl@4ax.com...
>I watch mouse movements to capture signatures on just about any
> Windows platform with a stylus and/or mouse. Restricting mouse capture
> to a window over the display of the pdf would probably work well for
> your purposes. For various reasons, I can't share code. But I don't do
> anything "deep"; just a bit more attention to details than some other
> code.
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:57:02 -0500, "clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>>By literal I mean I am involved in a project that requires a pdf form to
>>be
>>literally signed with a written signature similar to the way we use debit
>>cards in commerce and use a stylus to sign our name on some type of small
>>LCD display at the check-out counter.
>>
>>Can Tablet PCs be used this way? We have found a .NET library that
>>interfaces with these devices [1] but I've presumed the Tablet PC can be
>>used to capture signatures. Anybody have comments about this aspect of
>>development?
>>
>><%= Clinton Gallagher
>> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
>> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
>>
>>[1] http://www.topazsystems.com/
>>
>>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and
> please indicate which newsgroup and message).
>
> Robert E. Zaret, eMVP
> PenFact, Inc.
> 20 Park Plaza, Suite 478
> Boston, MA 02116
> www.penfact.com

Hi Clinton,

I have used the Topaz Systems devices to capture signatures on various
medical papers. The device comes with an SDK that you use to interface with
it. It's actually pretty easy.

Brian

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"clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:eSRE45JAIHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Well thank you for confirming at least one methodology to capture a
written
> signature. I must surmise somebody has developed a library or a control
> which I might acquire. Can you refer me to a library or control I may
> acquire? It would help me out a lot right now. I have several hundred
pages
> of documentation I have to know how to use by Friday!
>
> <%= Clinton
>
> <r_z_aret@pen_fact.com> wrote in message
> news:3qflf3pj5mvvqgbjv19qjqs82ephfms0bl@4ax.com...
> >I watch mouse movements to capture signatures on just about any
> > Windows platform with a stylus and/or mouse. Restricting mouse capture
> > to a window over the display of the pdf would probably work well for
> > your purposes. For various reasons, I can't share code. But I don't do
> > anything "deep"; just a bit more attention to details than some other
> > code.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:57:02 -0500, "clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>By literal I mean I am involved in a project that requires a pdf form to
> >>be
> >>literally signed with a written signature similar to the way we use
debit
> >>cards in commerce and use a stylus to sign our name on some type of
small
> >>LCD display at the check-out counter.
> >>
> >>Can Tablet PCs be used this way? We have found a .NET library that
> >>interfaces with these devices [1] but I've presumed the Tablet PC can be
> >>used to capture signatures. Anybody have comments about this aspect of
> >>development?
> >>
> >><%= Clinton Gallagher
> >> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
> >> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
> >>
> >>[1] http://www.topazsystems.com/
> >>
> >>
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and
> > please indicate which newsgroup and message).
> >
> > Robert E. Zaret, eMVP
> > PenFact, Inc.
> > 20 Park Plaza, Suite 478
> > Boston, MA 02116
> > www.penfact.com
>
>

On a tablet you can use the Ink Collector or RealTimeStylus to capture
stylus data instead of mouse messages and you get a much higher resolution
capture with pressure sensitivity.

--
Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
Einstein Technologies
Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com


<r_z_aret@pen_fact.com> wrote in message
news:3qflf3pj5mvvqgbjv19qjqs82ephfms0bl@4ax.com...
>I watch mouse movements to capture signatures on just about any
> Windows platform with a stylus and/or mouse. Restricting mouse capture
> to a window over the display of the pdf would probably work well for
> your purposes. For various reasons, I can't share code. But I don't do
> anything "deep"; just a bit more attention to details than some other
> code.
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:57:02 -0500, "clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>>By literal I mean I am involved in a project that requires a pdf form to
>>be
>>literally signed with a written signature similar to the way we use debit
>>cards in commerce and use a stylus to sign our name on some type of small
>>LCD display at the check-out counter.
>>
>>Can Tablet PCs be used this way? We have found a .NET library that
>>interfaces with these devices [1] but I've presumed the Tablet PC can be
>>used to capture signatures. Anybody have comments about this aspect of
>>development?
>>
>><%= Clinton Gallagher
>> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
>> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
>>
>>[1] http://www.topazsystems.com/
>>
>>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and
> please indicate which newsgroup and message).
>
> Robert E. Zaret, eMVP
> PenFact, Inc.
> 20 Park Plaza, Suite 478
> Boston, MA 02116
> www.penfact.com

Hey Brian thank you, we're actually looking at Topaz and its good to hear
some acknowledgement of the viability of Topaz solution(s). I presume you
have used Adobe forms with the Topaz .NET libraries running on a Tablet PC?

Would you briefly describe the fundamental elements of your end to end
deployment for me?

<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/



"Brian Hollister" <bhollisterATfuturaintlDOTcom> wrote in message
news:%23Zp1CxPAIHA.5184@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi Clinton,
>
> I have used the Topaz Systems devices to capture signatures on various
> medical papers. The device comes with an SDK that you use to interface
> with
> it. It's actually pretty easy.
>
> Brian
>
> --
> Got a big event coming up? Let us
> help coordinate your event. For more
> visit www.kissemgoodbye.com
> "clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:eSRE45JAIHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Well thank you for confirming at least one methodology to capture a
> written
>> signature. I must surmise somebody has developed a library or a control
>> which I might acquire. Can you refer me to a library or control I may
>> acquire? It would help me out a lot right now. I have several hundred
> pages
>> of documentation I have to know how to use by Friday!
>>
>> <%= Clinton
>>
>> <r_z_aret@pen_fact.com> wrote in message
>> news:3qflf3pj5mvvqgbjv19qjqs82ephfms0bl@4ax.com...
>> >I watch mouse movements to capture signatures on just about any
>> > Windows platform with a stylus and/or mouse. Restricting mouse capture
>> > to a window over the display of the pdf would probably work well for
>> > your purposes. For various reasons, I can't share code. But I don't do
>> > anything "deep"; just a bit more attention to details than some other
>> > code.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:57:02 -0500, "clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>By literal I mean I am involved in a project that requires a pdf form
>> >>to
>> >>be
>> >>literally signed with a written signature similar to the way we use
> debit
>> >>cards in commerce and use a stylus to sign our name on some type of
> small
>> >>LCD display at the check-out counter.
>> >>
>> >>Can Tablet PCs be used this way? We have found a .NET library that
>> >>interfaces with these devices [1] but I've presumed the Tablet PC can
>> >>be
>> >>used to capture signatures. Anybody have comments about this aspect of
>> >>development?
>> >>
>> >><%= Clinton Gallagher
>> >> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
>> >> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
>> >>
>> >>[1] http://www.topazsystems.com/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------------
>> > To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and
>> > please indicate which newsgroup and message).
>> >
>> > Robert E. Zaret, eMVP
>> > PenFact, Inc.
>> > 20 Park Plaza, Suite 478
>> > Boston, MA 02116
>> > www.penfact.com
>>
>>
>
>

Thanks, that's good to know as high fidelity is something of value for a
written signature. Do you have any experience or comments about running
Acrobat Reader on the Tablet PC as a client to capture data input into
fillable pdf forms?

<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/



"Josh Einstein" <josh@einsteintech.net> wrote in message
news:DA2361F7-C5A8-4CFE-87C2-AFF2BE36B500@microsoft.com...
> On a tablet you can use the Ink Collector or RealTimeStylus to capture
> stylus data instead of mouse messages and you get a much higher resolution
> capture with pressure sensitivity.
>
> --
> Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
> Einstein Technologies
> Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com
>
>
> <r_z_aret@pen_fact.com> wrote in message
> news:3qflf3pj5mvvqgbjv19qjqs82ephfms0bl@4ax.com...
>>I watch mouse movements to capture signatures on just about any
>> Windows platform with a stylus and/or mouse. Restricting mouse capture
>> to a window over the display of the pdf would probably work well for
>> your purposes. For various reasons, I can't share code. But I don't do
>> anything "deep"; just a bit more attention to details than some other
>> code.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:57:02 -0500, "clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>By literal I mean I am involved in a project that requires a pdf form to
>>>be
>>>literally signed with a written signature similar to the way we use debit
>>>cards in commerce and use a stylus to sign our name on some type of small
>>>LCD display at the check-out counter.
>>>
>>>Can Tablet PCs be used this way? We have found a .NET library that
>>>interfaces with these devices [1] but I've presumed the Tablet PC can be
>>>used to capture signatures. Anybody have comments about this aspect of
>>>development?
>>>
>>><%= Clinton Gallagher
>>> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
>>> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
>>>
>>>[1] http://www.topazsystems.com/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>> To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and
>> please indicate which newsgroup and message).
>>
>> Robert E. Zaret, eMVP
>> PenFact, Inc.
>> 20 Park Plaza, Suite 478
>> Boston, MA 02116
>> www.penfact.com
>

Another company to look at for eSignatures is CIC CIC : The Power to Sign Online. CIC has been a long time security partner of Adobe. They have had an eSignature plug-in for the PDF digsig architecture since it was developed in Acrobat 4.0. CIC is also well recognized for it character recognition and handwritten signature verification technology.

Regards,

Chris Baerwaldt
CIC - Sales Support

Hi Clinton,

In short, i have used the Topaz devices mostly on laptops for mobile
technicians as well as desktop machines within offices. Josh is right
though, on a tablet you can jsut use the ink collector. There is no need for
these devices on those types of machines.

The SDK is really easy to implement and they have a decent amount of
documentation that will help you as well. There is an API call that you can
use, it escapes me at the moment, to determine the type of machine you have,
Tablet or not. You can use this as a switch for your logic. Here is a couple
of links i bookmarked a while back. Btw, i wrote my ink collecting code in
C#.


http://www.code-magazine.com/article...0512032&page=3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327160
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms704849.aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...CAppsinVFP.asp

hth,

brian


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"Brian Hollister" <bhollisterATfuturaintlDOTcom> wrote in message
news:%23Zp1CxPAIHA.5184@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi Clinton,
>
> I have used the Topaz Systems devices to capture signatures on various
> medical papers. The device comes with an SDK that you use to interface
with
> it. It's actually pretty easy.
>
> Brian
>
> --
> Got a big event coming up? Let us
> help coordinate your event. For more
> visit www.kissemgoodbye.com
> "clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:eSRE45JAIHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > Well thank you for confirming at least one methodology to capture a
> written
> > signature. I must surmise somebody has developed a library or a control
> > which I might acquire. Can you refer me to a library or control I may
> > acquire? It would help me out a lot right now. I have several hundred
> pages
> > of documentation I have to know how to use by Friday!
> >
> > <%= Clinton
> >
> > <r_z_aret@pen_fact.com> wrote in message
> > news:3qflf3pj5mvvqgbjv19qjqs82ephfms0bl@4ax.com...
> > >I watch mouse movements to capture signatures on just about any
> > > Windows platform with a stylus and/or mouse. Restricting mouse capture
> > > to a window over the display of the pdf would probably work well for
> > > your purposes. For various reasons, I can't share code. But I don't do
> > > anything "deep"; just a bit more attention to details than some other
> > > code.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:57:02 -0500, "clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>By literal I mean I am involved in a project that requires a pdf form
to
> > >>be
> > >>literally signed with a written signature similar to the way we use
> debit
> > >>cards in commerce and use a stylus to sign our name on some type of
> small
> > >>LCD display at the check-out counter.
> > >>
> > >>Can Tablet PCs be used this way? We have found a .NET library that
> > >>interfaces with these devices [1] but I've presumed the Tablet PC can
be
> > >>used to capture signatures. Anybody have comments about this aspect of
> > >>development?
> > >>
> > >><%= Clinton Gallagher
> > >> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
> > >> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
> > >>
> > >>[1] http://www.topazsystems.com/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > > To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and
> > > please indicate which newsgroup and message).
> > >
> > > Robert E. Zaret, eMVP
> > > PenFact, Inc.
> > > 20 Park Plaza, Suite 478
> > > Boston, MA 02116
> > > www.penfact.com
> >
> >
>
>

Great, I do the C# thing myself and I got a very nice e-mail from Topaz
yesterday with lots of pointers to specific documents on their website.

<%= Clinton

"Brian Hollister" <bhollisterATfuturaintlDOTcom> wrote in message
news:OG1D4edAIHA.4828@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Hi Clinton,
>
> In short, i have used the Topaz devices mostly on laptops for mobile
> technicians as well as desktop machines within offices. Josh is right
> though, on a tablet you can jsut use the ink collector. There is no need
> for
> these devices on those types of machines.
>
> The SDK is really easy to implement and they have a decent amount of
> documentation that will help you as well. There is an API call that you
> can
> use, it escapes me at the moment, to determine the type of machine you
> have,
> Tablet or not. You can use this as a switch for your logic. Here is a
> couple
> of links i bookmarked a while back. Btw, i wrote my ink collecting code in
> C#.
>
>
> http://www.code-magazine.com/article...0512032&page=3
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327160
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms704849.aspx
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...CAppsinVFP.asp
>
> hth,
>
> brian
>
>
> --
> Got a big event coming up? Let us
> help coordinate your event. For more
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> "Brian Hollister" <bhollisterATfuturaintlDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:%23Zp1CxPAIHA.5184@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Clinton,
>>
>> I have used the Topaz Systems devices to capture signatures on various
>> medical papers. The device comes with an SDK that you use to interface
> with
>> it. It's actually pretty easy.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> --
>> Got a big event coming up? Let us
>> help coordinate your event. For more
>> visit www.kissemgoodbye.com
>> "clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:eSRE45JAIHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> > Well thank you for confirming at least one methodology to capture a
>> written
>> > signature. I must surmise somebody has developed a library or a control
>> > which I might acquire. Can you refer me to a library or control I may
>> > acquire? It would help me out a lot right now. I have several hundred
>> pages
>> > of documentation I have to know how to use by Friday!
>> >
>> > <%= Clinton
>> >
>> > <r_z_aret@pen_fact.com> wrote in message
>> > news:3qflf3pj5mvvqgbjv19qjqs82ephfms0bl@4ax.com...
>> > >I watch mouse movements to capture signatures on just about any
>> > > Windows platform with a stylus and/or mouse. Restricting mouse
>> > > capture
>> > > to a window over the display of the pdf would probably work well for
>> > > your purposes. For various reasons, I can't share code. But I don't
>> > > do
>> > > anything "deep"; just a bit more attention to details than some other
>> > > code.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:57:02 -0500, "clintonG" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>By literal I mean I am involved in a project that requires a pdf form
> to
>> > >>be
>> > >>literally signed with a written signature similar to the way we use
>> debit
>> > >>cards in commerce and use a stylus to sign our name on some type of
>> small
>> > >>LCD display at the check-out counter.
>> > >>
>> > >>Can Tablet PCs be used this way? We have found a .NET library that
>> > >>interfaces with these devices [1] but I've presumed the Tablet PC can
> be
>> > >>used to capture signatures. Anybody have comments about this aspect
>> > >>of
>> > >>development?
>> > >>
>> > >><%= Clinton Gallagher
>> > >> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
>> > >> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
>> > >>
>> > >>[1] http://www.topazsystems.com/
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > -----------------------------------------
>> > > To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and
>> > > please indicate which newsgroup and message).
>> > >
>> > > Robert E. Zaret, eMVP
>> > > PenFact, Inc.
>> > > 20 Park Plaza, Suite 478
>> > > Boston, MA 02116
>> > > www.penfact.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Thanks. I got CIC on my short-list with Topaz

<%= Clinton


"baerwaldt" <baerwaldt******.com> wrote in message
news:baerwaldt.2xm1y4@no-mx.tabletquestions.com...
>
> Another company to look at for eSignatures is CIC 'CIC : The Power to
> Sign Online' (http://www.cic.com). CIC has been a long time security
> partner of Adobe. They have had an eSignature plug-in for the PDF digsig
> architecture since it was developed in Acrobat 4.0. CIC is also well
> recognized for it character recognition and handwritten signature
> verification technology.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris Baerwaldt
> CIC - Sales Support
>
>
> --
> baerwaldt