Been a Palm user for many years but decided at Xmax to purchase a WM 6.1
phone. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. Not a patch on the palm operating system. Active
Sync is rubbish, you have no control over what does and doesn't sync. Start
up takes forever, Wish I'd bought a Centro or Pro.

"Tungsten" <tungstenc@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Been a Palm user for many years but decided at Xmax to purchase a WM 6.1
>phone. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. Not a patch on the palm operating system. Active
>Sync is rubbish, you have no control over what does and doesn't sync. Start
>up takes forever, Wish I'd bought a Centro or Pro.

What OS do you think is on the Pro?
--
__________________________________________________ ________________________________
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What is on my Pocket PC? http://www.ehansberry.com/
Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices www.pocketpc.com
What is an MVP? - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

Tungsten wrote:
> Been a Palm user for many years but decided at Xmax to purchase a WM 6.1
> phone. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. Not a patch on the palm operating system.
> Active Sync is rubbish, you have no control over what does and doesn't
> sync. Start up takes forever, Wish I'd bought a Centro or Pro.

So do we.

My mistake


"Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
<spamfree-silvernino********.spambegone.com> wrote in message
news:1t35n4d226fr01ago7ntnuakeqv477tdq7@4ax.com...
> "Tungsten" <tungstenc@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>Been a Palm user for many years but decided at Xmax to purchase a WM 6.1
>>phone. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. Not a patch on the palm operating system.
>>Active
>>Sync is rubbish, you have no control over what does and doesn't sync.
>>Start
>>up takes forever, Wish I'd bought a Centro or Pro.
>
> What OS do you think is on the Pro?
> --
> __________________________________________________ ________________________________
> Ed Hansberry (Please do *NOT* email me. Post here for the benefit of all)
> What is on my Pocket PC? http://www.ehansberry.com/
> Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices www.pocketpc.com
> What is an MVP? - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

Hello,

First, the Pro runs Windows Mobile.

You have posted into the right group - there are a lot of people that can
help here including multiple MVPs.

What specificially are you running into and let's see if some help can be
provided.

Regards,

--
Clinton Fitch, MVP-Mobile Devices
http://www.clintonfitch.com
http://www.hpcfactor.com


"Tungsten" <tungstenc@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:6Rqcl.156691$iW1.1101@newsfe23.ams2...
> Been a Palm user for many years but decided at Xmax to purchase a WM 6.1
> phone. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. Not a patch on the palm operating system.
> Active Sync is rubbish, you have no control over what does and doesn't
> sync. Start up takes forever, Wish I'd bought a Centro or Pro.

I am using Windows Mobile 6.1 with touchscreen.

It is not that the system is not working or that I am having trouble using
it. It is just that everything seemed so much simpler on the palm.

My main palm program is SmartListToGo which I use everyday but Dataviz don't
do a Win Mobile version. I have bought HanDbase Pro but after using for 2-3
weeks still find it awkward. The lack of on-screen icons for opening,
closing, moving around are a big miss. Everything has to go through the menu
button.

Switching on the device takes much longer, whereas the Palm was almost
instantaneous.

SPB Backup insists on resetting the device whenever I run a backup.

ActiveSync gives you little control compared to Hotsync on the Palm. Keep
getting errors where activesync tries to sync items that have been deleted.
Errors where activesync says Outlook appointments cannot be synced yet the
appointments are on both PC and device.

Closing programs using the X button leaves the program running in memory.
Always having to use Task Manager to end tasks to free memory.

I am now on my fourth palm unit the TX and have been a palm user for approx
9 years so maybe 2-3 weeks using WM is too short a time to give a fair
evaluation.

Tungsten



"Clinton Fitch, MVP-Mobile Devices" <management@NOSPAMMY.clintonfitch.com>
wrote in message news:277B6915-10AB-49D9-93BC-6CCF7F2E69D3@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> First, the Pro runs Windows Mobile.
>
> You have posted into the right group - there are a lot of people that can
> help here including multiple MVPs.
>
> What specificially are you running into and let's see if some help can be
> provided.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Clinton Fitch, MVP-Mobile Devices
> http://www.clintonfitch.com
> http://www.hpcfactor.com
>
>
> "Tungsten" <tungstenc@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:6Rqcl.156691$iW1.1101@newsfe23.ams2...
>> Been a Palm user for many years but decided at Xmax to purchase a WM 6.1
>> phone. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. Not a patch on the palm operating system.
>> Active Sync is rubbish, you have no control over what does and doesn't
>> sync. Start up takes forever, Wish I'd bought a Centro or Pro.
>

Welcome...

this is the place... most of your issues seem to be software and sync
rather than the os... some thoughts based on your frustations.

>> SmartListToGo <<

Sorry that they didn't elect to support you on this platform, but any
application switch is going to bring pain with it... ask for
alternatives as well as asking for their strengths and weaknesses

>> SPB Backup insists on resetting the device whenever I run a backup.
<<

Not the version of SPB on my device... might assure that you are not
triggering something that you shouldn't or check the options... On a
restore, its for your safety...

Also suggest backing up when you don't need to use it... i.e. start the
backup when you place it on the charger every night... resetting every
night is not a bad idea

>> Switching on the device takes much longer <<

Need more info on that... pressing the power button should not have any
delay... there is a long delay after a soft reset, so, something needs
to be clarified.

>> "X" to close <<

Depends on the task manager used and how you want to work... i.e. only
closing apps you won't be using makes switching to other apps in
background instant.

fwiw, The VBar task manager replaces the "X" with an actual close function.

>> activesync <<

Nobody likes activesync, but, it should transparently handle contacts,
appointments and file transfers once setup...

>> errors <<

specifics would help... for example are they happening because you
modify both places between syncs. Corruption or syncing content could
also be a factor... details please.

>> so maybe 2-3 weeks using WM is too short a time to give a fair
evaluation <<

could be ;-)

Beverly Howard [Microsoft MVP-Mobile Devices]

As a former Palm user (Sprint Samsung i500 with Outlook e-mail and appts
pushed tothe device--but no true keyboard) I have actually felt your pain!
At least some of it ! My WM6 xv6800 phone is a lot better in some important
ways but retarded in some others. The extent to which the problems are due
to WM, Verizon or the software I have to use to make it all work (esp. Nokia
wireless Intellsync) leads to a lot of tiresome finger pointing. Maybe all
would be better if I could use an Exchange Server. Who knows?
One thing I know: I love the slide-out keyboard for e-mail and the larger
screen on my xv6800, two features which make my Crackberry colleagues
jealous. Those advantages, of course, don't have much to do with WM. The
crack(berry)heads have one big time advantage: Sent items show up on their
devices seconds after they are sent. Hardly earth-shaking, of course. But
I have to wait until the following day for Sent files to show up on Outlook
Mobile, which totally stinks. I'm told this is Intellisync's fault. Well,
duh. That's what Verizon gave me! But wait, there's more. Once the Sent
Items finally do show up can I sort them by addressee, say, to quickly find
that e-mail I thought I sent to Bill or Susie Friday? Like you'd do with
the "real" Outlook? Nope! Only by "subject," which is potentially useful
if the subject line is not blank or ambiguous; and "from" or "received"
which are pointless. After all, why is the "received" date helpful when you
are looking for files that have been "sent?" Duh. And how helpful is it to
know who the e-mails I sent are "from" since they will all be from, well,
me? Double duh!
Frankly, maybe two years ago I asked out then IT consultants about upgrading
from the i500, a great but increasingly obsolete phone, to the Treo. Fine,
they said, but they warned me against getting the WM version. But it's
supposed to smoothly integrate with Microsoft Office, I argued. They said
they were making a lot of money trying to fix WM problems for their
corporate c ustomers but seemed to have no complaints from those who stuck
with the Palm version.
I may have a chance to switch phones soon when I join up with a new firm.
Might be a tough decision, though. The devil I know may be better than the
devil I don't! But as a former Palm guy I am really curious about the new
Palm Pre with its new OS. Big screen, slide-out keyboard. Lots of neat
features (free for most non-Verizon customers, but I digress). But I
hesitate to be the first with a totally new product and OS.
--
Joe McGuire


"Tungsten" <tungstenc@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:6Rqcl.156691$iW1.1101@newsfe23.ams2...
> Been a Palm user for many years but decided at Xmax to purchase a WM 6.1
> phone. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. Not a patch on the palm operating system.
> Active Sync is rubbish, you have no control over what does and doesn't
> sync. Start up takes forever, Wish I'd bought a Centro or Pro.

At 18 Jan 2009 13:03:28 -0600 Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote:

> >> SPB Backup insists on resetting the device whenever I run a backup.
> <<
>
> Not the version of SPB on my device... might assure that you are
> not triggering something that you shouldn't or check the options...
> On a restore, its for your safety...


It's a WM5+ thing: SPB and Sprite both reboot the device to run a backup,
unlike the pre-WM5 versions. I ass-u-me it's to write any registry
changes to the device prior to backup.

See my answer to you in the Phone Edition newsgroup.

Windows Mobile is stronger than PalmOS in so many ways that there is no way
to prevent it from being somehow more complicated and slow. You are
comparing something that has been done for being a diary with something that
has been done for being a pocket - computer. It would be the same if I would
say that Palm OS is too complex and slow when compared to the Casio Boss
(remember those?). I would be telling the truth, but then comparing two
different stages of evolution - like saying that the humans nowadays have
more complicated minds and run slower than the Neanderthal man. Again, very
true, but which would you prefer to be?

Helio

--
----
Helio Diamant
MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
Editor - PocketPCFreak.com



"Tungsten" <tungstenc@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:dLJcl.25411$ey5.9603@newsfe18.ams2...
>I am using Windows Mobile 6.1 with touchscreen.
>
> It is not that the system is not working or that I am having trouble using
> it. It is just that everything seemed so much simpler on the palm.
>
> My main palm program is SmartListToGo which I use everyday but Dataviz
> don't do a Win Mobile version. I have bought HanDbase Pro but after using
> for 2-3 weeks still find it awkward. The lack of on-screen icons for
> opening, closing, moving around are a big miss. Everything has to go
> through the menu button.
>
> Switching on the device takes much longer, whereas the Palm was almost
> instantaneous.
>
> SPB Backup insists on resetting the device whenever I run a backup.
>
> ActiveSync gives you little control compared to Hotsync on the Palm. Keep
> getting errors where activesync tries to sync items that have been
> deleted. Errors where activesync says Outlook appointments cannot be
> synced yet the appointments are on both PC and device.
>
> Closing programs using the X button leaves the program running in memory.
> Always having to use Task Manager to end tasks to free memory.
>
> I am now on my fourth palm unit the TX and have been a palm user for
> approx 9 years so maybe 2-3 weeks using WM is too short a time to give a
> fair evaluation.
>
> Tungsten
>
>
>
> "Clinton Fitch, MVP-Mobile Devices" <management@NOSPAMMY.clintonfitch.com>
> wrote in message
> news:277B6915-10AB-49D9-93BC-6CCF7F2E69D3@microsoft.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> First, the Pro runs Windows Mobile.
>>
>> You have posted into the right group - there are a lot of people that can
>> help here including multiple MVPs.
>>
>> What specificially are you running into and let's see if some help can be
>> provided.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Clinton Fitch, MVP-Mobile Devices
>> http://www.clintonfitch.com
>> http://www.hpcfactor.com
>>
>>
>> "Tungsten" <tungstenc@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:6Rqcl.156691$iW1.1101@newsfe23.ams2...
>>> Been a Palm user for many years but decided at Xmax to purchase a WM 6.1
>>> phone. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. Not a patch on the palm operating system.
>>> Active Sync is rubbish, you have no control over what does and doesn't
>>> sync. Start up takes forever, Wish I'd bought a Centro or Pro.
>>

"Tungsten" <tungstenc@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>I am using Windows Mobile 6.1 with touchscreen.
>
>It is not that the system is not working or that I am having trouble using
>it. It is just that everything seemed so much simpler on the palm.

See
http://forums.thoughtsmedia.com/f322...ain-38126.html
- true over 6 years ago, true today.

>My main palm program is SmartListToGo which I use everyday but Dataviz don't
>do a Win Mobile version. I have bought HanDbase Pro but after using for 2-3
>weeks still find it awkward. The lack of on-screen icons for opening,
>closing, moving around are a big miss. Everything has to go through the menu
>button.

You can buy third party launchers. WM opted for a Today Screen
which gives you a lot of info at a glance at the machine's home
screen rather than forcing you to launch apps just to see your
schedule, or how many emails you have unread. That isn't as
relevant on the PalmOS of course as it doesn't always support
background downloads of emails. Depends on the device and email
app.

>Switching on the device takes much longer, whereas the Palm was almost
>instantaneous.

Odd. I have had dozens of devices and they all switch on
instantaneously.

>SPB Backup insists on resetting the device whenever I run a backup.

That is because WM is a multitasking OS, and before the backup
program runs, it kills all non-essential background apps to
ensure no data is "locked" preventing a total backup. The
required restart is really just to have everything in your
StartUp folder and registry launch.

>ActiveSync gives you little control compared to Hotsync on the Palm. Keep
>getting errors where activesync tries to sync items that have been deleted.
>Errors where activesync says Outlook appointments cannot be synced yet the
>appointments are on both PC and device.

I'm not a fan of ActiveSync, but of all the problems I've had
with it, it has never complained about syncing deleted items. It
just deletes them. What exactly is the sequence of events you are
doing to get this?

>Closing programs using the X button leaves the program running in memory.
>Always having to use Task Manager to end tasks to free memory.

You'll get no argument from me there. There are third party apps,
like spb Pocket Plus, that can turn X in to an app killer, not
just an app minimizer. That said, modern devices usually have
enough RAM that for most people, it doesn't matter. How much RAM
did your device come with? Consider stopping paying attention to
the free RAM and just use the device and see what happens.

>I am now on my fourth palm unit the TX and have been a palm user for approx
>9 years so maybe 2-3 weeks using WM is too short a time to give a fair
>evaluation.

Give it some time, and learn how the device works. You may be
applying Palm usage methodologies to the device .

>Tungsten
>
>
>
>"Clinton Fitch, MVP-Mobile Devices" <management@NOSPAMMY.clintonfitch.com>
>wrote in message news:277B6915-10AB-49D9-93BC-6CCF7F2E69D3@microsoft.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> First, the Pro runs Windows Mobile.
>>
>> You have posted into the right group - there are a lot of people that can
>> help here including multiple MVPs.
>>
>> What specificially are you running into and let's see if some help can be
>> provided.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Clinton Fitch, MVP-Mobile Devices
>> http://www.clintonfitch.com
>> http://www.hpcfactor.com
>>
>>
>> "Tungsten" <tungstenc@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:6Rqcl.156691$iW1.1101@newsfe23.ams2...
>>> Been a Palm user for many years but decided at Xmax to purchase a WM 6.1
>>> phone. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. Not a patch on the palm operating system.
>>> Active Sync is rubbish, you have no control over what does and doesn't
>>> sync. Start up takes forever, Wish I'd bought a Centro or Pro.
>>
--
__________________________________________________ ________________________________
Ed Hansberry (Please do *NOT* email me. Post here for the benefit of all)
What is on my Pocket PC? http://www.ehansberry.com/
Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices www.pocketpc.com
What is an MVP? - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

Based on Bev, Todd, Helio and Ed's replies I think most of your questions
have been answered.

I do think that you bring up a good point: You have 9 years of Palm
experience behind you and 2-3 weeks of WinMo in your pocket. It could take
a bit more time to get use to things. The good news is that for the vast
majority of "issues" or "dislikes" on Windows Mobile, there is fix be it an
adjustment, tweak or 3rd party application. The 3rd party field is very
rich in solutions for day-to-day using of the device and many people in this
group can give you a variety of opinions on which applications work best for
them.

Regards,

--
Clinton Fitch, MVP-Mobile Devices
http://www.clintonfitch.com
http://www.hpcfactor.com


"Tungsten" <tungstenc@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:dLJcl.25411$ey5.9603@newsfe18.ams2...
>I am using Windows Mobile 6.1 with touchscreen.
>
> It is not that the system is not working or that I am having trouble using
> it. It is just that everything seemed so much simpler on the palm.
>
> My main palm program is SmartListToGo which I use everyday but Dataviz
> don't do a Win Mobile version. I have bought HanDbase Pro but after using
> for 2-3 weeks still find it awkward. The lack of on-screen icons for
> opening, closing, moving around are a big miss. Everything has to go
> through the menu button.
>
> Switching on the device takes much longer, whereas the Palm was almost
> instantaneous.
>
> SPB Backup insists on resetting the device whenever I run a backup.
>
> ActiveSync gives you little control compared to Hotsync on the Palm. Keep
> getting errors where activesync tries to sync items that have been
> deleted. Errors where activesync says Outlook appointments cannot be
> synced yet the appointments are on both PC and device.
>
> Closing programs using the X button leaves the program running in memory.
> Always having to use Task Manager to end tasks to free memory.
>
> I am now on my fourth palm unit the TX and have been a palm user for
> approx 9 years so maybe 2-3 weeks using WM is too short a time to give a
> fair evaluation.
>
> Tungsten
>
>
>
> "Clinton Fitch, MVP-Mobile Devices" <management@NOSPAMMY.clintonfitch.com>
> wrote in message
> news:277B6915-10AB-49D9-93BC-6CCF7F2E69D3@microsoft.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> First, the Pro runs Windows Mobile.
>>
>> You have posted into the right group - there are a lot of people that can
>> help here including multiple MVPs.
>>
>> What specificially are you running into and let's see if some help can be
>> provided.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Clinton Fitch, MVP-Mobile Devices
>> http://www.clintonfitch.com
>> http://www.hpcfactor.com
>>
>>
>> "Tungsten" <tungstenc@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:6Rqcl.156691$iW1.1101@newsfe23.ams2...
>>> Been a Palm user for many years but decided at Xmax to purchase a WM 6.1
>>> phone. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. Not a patch on the palm operating system.
>>> Active Sync is rubbish, you have no control over what does and doesn't
>>> sync. Start up takes forever, Wish I'd bought a Centro or Pro.
>>

Ed, two comments on your response:

1. Regarding switching the device on: it just crossed my mind that with PALM
you enter standby mode with a press-and-hold of the Power button. In Pocket
PC, this is nowadays a full TURN-OFF, so if he is doing this he is doing a
soft reset every time he tries to go into standby. A quick press of the
button should do the job.

2. I used to hate the X-Button as well. But since in the last versions the
memory management got better, I decided not to use those third party
applications, and discovered that the minimize procedure is fantastic with a
lot of software packages that do auto-updates to the data, like PockeTwit,
Skybook and others.

Helio

--
----
Helio Diamant
MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
Editor - PocketPCFreak.com



"Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
<spamfree-silvernino********.spambegone.com> wrote in message
news:ckt8n4hbr6c5nhr1ttki1eghuhc5cmkkiv@4ax.com...
> "Tungsten" <tungstenc@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>I am using Windows Mobile 6.1 with touchscreen.
>>
>>It is not that the system is not working or that I am having trouble using
>>it. It is just that everything seemed so much simpler on the palm.
>
> See
> http://forums.thoughtsmedia.com/f322...ain-38126.html
> - true over 6 years ago, true today.
>
>>My main palm program is SmartListToGo which I use everyday but Dataviz
>>don't
>>do a Win Mobile version. I have bought HanDbase Pro but after using for
>>2-3
>>weeks still find it awkward. The lack of on-screen icons for opening,
>>closing, moving around are a big miss. Everything has to go through the
>>menu
>>button.
>
> You can buy third party launchers. WM opted for a Today Screen
> which gives you a lot of info at a glance at the machine's home
> screen rather than forcing you to launch apps just to see your
> schedule, or how many emails you have unread. That isn't as
> relevant on the PalmOS of course as it doesn't always support
> background downloads of emails. Depends on the device and email
> app.
>
>>Switching on the device takes much longer, whereas the Palm was almost
>>instantaneous.
>
> Odd. I have had dozens of devices and they all switch on
> instantaneously.
>
>>SPB Backup insists on resetting the device whenever I run a backup.
>
> That is because WM is a multitasking OS, and before the backup
> program runs, it kills all non-essential background apps to
> ensure no data is "locked" preventing a total backup. The
> required restart is really just to have everything in your
> StartUp folder and registry launch.
>
>>ActiveSync gives you little control compared to Hotsync on the Palm. Keep
>>getting errors where activesync tries to sync items that have been
>>deleted.
>>Errors where activesync says Outlook appointments cannot be synced yet the
>>appointments are on both PC and device.
>
> I'm not a fan of ActiveSync, but of all the problems I've had
> with it, it has never complained about syncing deleted items. It
> just deletes them. What exactly is the sequence of events you are
> doing to get this?
>
>>Closing programs using the X button leaves the program running in memory.
>>Always having to use Task Manager to end tasks to free memory.
>
> You'll get no argument from me there. There are third party apps,
> like spb Pocket Plus, that can turn X in to an app killer, not
> just an app minimizer. That said, modern devices usually have
> enough RAM that for most people, it doesn't matter. How much RAM
> did your device come with? Consider stopping paying attention to
> the free RAM and just use the device and see what happens.
>
>>I am now on my fourth palm unit the TX and have been a palm user for
>>approx
>>9 years so maybe 2-3 weeks using WM is too short a time to give a fair
>>evaluation.
>
> Give it some time, and learn how the device works. You may be
> applying Palm usage methodologies to the device .
>
>>Tungsten
>>
>>
>>
>>"Clinton Fitch, MVP-Mobile Devices" <management@NOSPAMMY.clintonfitch.com>
>>wrote in message
>>news:277B6915-10AB-49D9-93BC-6CCF7F2E69D3@microsoft.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> First, the Pro runs Windows Mobile.
>>>
>>> You have posted into the right group - there are a lot of people that
>>> can
>>> help here including multiple MVPs.
>>>
>>> What specificially are you running into and let's see if some help can
>>> be
>>> provided.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Clinton Fitch, MVP-Mobile Devices
>>> http://www.clintonfitch.com
>>> http://www.hpcfactor.com
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tungsten" <tungstenc@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6Rqcl.156691$iW1.1101@newsfe23.ams2...
>>>> Been a Palm user for many years but decided at Xmax to purchase a WM
>>>> 6.1
>>>> phone. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. Not a patch on the palm operating system.
>>>> Active Sync is rubbish, you have no control over what does and doesn't
>>>> sync. Start up takes forever, Wish I'd bought a Centro or Pro.
>>>
> --
> __________________________________________________ ________________________________
> Ed Hansberry (Please do *NOT* email me. Post here for the benefit of all)
> What is on my Pocket PC? http://www.ehansberry.com/
> Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices www.pocketpc.com
> What is an MVP? - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

"Helio Diamant - MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
<helio@nospam.pocketpcfreak.com> wrote:

>Ed, two comments on your response:
>
>1. Regarding switching the device on: it just crossed my mind that with PALM
>you enter standby mode with a press-and-hold of the Power button. In Pocket
>PC, this is nowadays a full TURN-OFF, so if he is doing this he is doing a
>soft reset every time he tries to go into standby. A quick press of the
>button should do the job.

Ahhh.... didn't know that. The "full turn off" trick is with some
HTC devices, not WM itself, but yeah, if he is doing then that is
like shutting off your laptop when all you want to do is close
the lid.

>2. I used to hate the X-Button as well. But since in the last versions the
>memory management got better, I decided not to use those third party
>applications, and discovered that the minimize procedure is fantastic with a
>lot of software packages that do auto-updates to the data, like PockeTwit,
>Skybook and others.

I too got rid of them. I use task manager, but some really like
that X for closing, so I suggested it.
--
__________________________________________________ ________________________________
Ed Hansberry (Please do *NOT* email me. Post here for the benefit of all)
What is on my Pocket PC? http://www.ehansberry.com/
Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices www.pocketpc.com
What is an MVP? - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

At 21 Jan 2009 16:47:27 +0200 Helio Diamant - MS-MVP/Mobile Devices wrote:

> I used to hate the X-Button as well. But since in the last versions the
> memory management got better, I decided not to use those third party
> applications, and discovered that the minimize procedure is fantastic
with a
> lot of software packages that do auto-updates to the data, like
PockeTwit,
> Skybook and others.

I agree. Finally after nearly a decade, the Windows Mobile memory
management works as it's supposed to.

And all it took to fix was stuffing more memory into a PDA than my first
Windows 95 laptop came with! ;-)