I have been syncing my Palm Zire 72 to my Outlook 2003 on my Windows XP PC
for years now. The Zire 72 battery is dying on me, so it's time to buy a new
PDA. The Palm TX looks like a good replacement, but I am also wondering about
Windows-based brands such as the Pharos, etc.

For the record, I have a lot of data in my Outlook 2003, with more than one
Calendars folder and more than one Contacts folder. I don't need my new PDA
to be a cell phone as well. Wi-Fi connectivity is welcome, but not necessary.
Mp3 reproduction a must.

Any suggestions? Should I abandon Palm after several years and move on to a
different platform?

Well, if you're looking for a non-phone PDA, I can recommend either the HP
iPAQ hx4700 (with the WM6.1 upgrade) or the new HP iPAQ 210. Both are VGA
and, generally, pretty good. I can't state which one iss the better: they
both have advantages and disadvantages. See my iPAQ 210 review, where I've
thoroughly compared the iPAQ 210 to the other.



"lesviator" <lesviator@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4DC84EE7-A3AA-47BD-AACB-6D53C5BDE6D1@microsoft.com...
>I have been syncing my Palm Zire 72 to my Outlook 2003 on my Windows XP PC
> for years now. The Zire 72 battery is dying on me, so it's time to buy a
> new
> PDA. The Palm TX looks like a good replacement, but I am also wondering
> about
> Windows-based brands such as the Pharos, etc.
>
> For the record, I have a lot of data in my Outlook 2003, with more than
> one
> Calendars folder and more than one Contacts folder. I don't need my new
> PDA
> to be a cell phone as well. Wi-Fi connectivity is welcome, but not
> necessary.
> Mp3 reproduction a must.
>
> Any suggestions? Should I abandon Palm after several years and move on to
> a
> different platform?

Thank you, Werner. Where can I find your review?

"Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen [MVP" wrote:

> Well, if you're looking for a non-phone PDA, I can recommend either the HP
> iPAQ hx4700 (with the WM6.1 upgrade) or the new HP iPAQ 210. Both are VGA
> and, generally, pretty good. I can't state which one iss the better: they
> both have advantages and disadvantages. See my iPAQ 210 review, where I've
> thoroughly compared the iPAQ 210 to the other.
>
>
>
> "lesviator" <lesviator@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4DC84EE7-A3AA-47BD-AACB-6D53C5BDE6D1@microsoft.com...
> >I have been syncing my Palm Zire 72 to my Outlook 2003 on my Windows XP PC
> > for years now. The Zire 72 battery is dying on me, so it's time to buy a
> > new
> > PDA. The Palm TX looks like a good replacement, but I am also wondering
> > about
> > Windows-based brands such as the Pharos, etc.
> >
> > For the record, I have a lot of data in my Outlook 2003, with more than
> > one
> > Calendars folder and more than one Contacts folder. I don't need my new
> > PDA
> > to be a cell phone as well. Wi-Fi connectivity is welcome, but not
> > necessary.
> > Mp3 reproduction a must.
> >
> > Any suggestions? Should I abandon Palm after several years and move on to
> > a
> > different platform?
>
>
>

....and another question, Werner.

I've been looking at prices, and the two handhelds that you mention are a
little beyond my budget. I am now contemplating the HP iPaq 111 Classic.

Basically, an essential function for my PDA, whichever one it is (until now
it's been a Palm Zire 72) is to be able to sync all of my Outlook 2003
abundant data with the handheld. I have several folders and subfolders in
both Calendars and Contacts (one of these subfolders in Calendars has over
7,000 records,) and I need to make sure that all that data crosses over
complete (i.e., no data truncation) and differentiated (i.e. different
subfolders must be kept separate) from Outlook 2003 in my PC onto the PDA,
and vice versa.

So far, the Zire 72 has been able to do this. Will the iPaq 111 Classic do
it as well?

Thank you again.



"Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen [MVP" wrote:

> Well, if you're looking for a non-phone PDA, I can recommend either the HP
> iPAQ hx4700 (with the WM6.1 upgrade) or the new HP iPAQ 210. Both are VGA
> and, generally, pretty good. I can't state which one iss the better: they
> both have advantages and disadvantages. See my iPAQ 210 review, where I've
> thoroughly compared the iPAQ 210 to the other.
>
>
>
> "lesviator" <lesviator@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4DC84EE7-A3AA-47BD-AACB-6D53C5BDE6D1@microsoft.com...
> >I have been syncing my Palm Zire 72 to my Outlook 2003 on my Windows XP PC
> > for years now. The Zire 72 battery is dying on me, so it's time to buy a
> > new
> > PDA. The Palm TX looks like a good replacement, but I am also wondering
> > about
> > Windows-based brands such as the Pharos, etc.
> >
> > For the record, I have a lot of data in my Outlook 2003, with more than
> > one
> > Calendars folder and more than one Contacts folder. I don't need my new
> > PDA
> > to be a cell phone as well. Wi-Fi connectivity is welcome, but not
> > necessary.
> > Mp3 reproduction a must.
> >
> > Any suggestions? Should I abandon Palm after several years and move on to
> > a
> > different platform?
>
>
>

At 14 Nov 2008 13:54:11 -0800 lesviator wrote:
> ...and another question, Werner.
>
> I've been looking at prices, and the two handhelds that you mention are a
> little beyond my budget. I am now contemplating the HP iPaq 111 Classic.
>
> Basically, an essential function for my PDA, whichever one it is (until
now
> it's been a Palm Zire 72) is to be able to sync all of my Outlook 2003
> abundant data with the handheld. I have several folders and subfolders in
> both Calendars and Contacts (one of these subfolders in Calendars has
over
> 7,000 records,) and I need to make sure that all that data crosses over
> complete (i.e., no data truncation) and differentiated (i.e. different
> subfolders must be kept separate) from Outlook 2003 in my PC onto the
PDA,
> and vice versa.
>
> So far, the Zire 72 has been able to do this. Will the iPaq 111 Classic
do
> it as well?

No, not without a few kludges. Windows Mobile doesn't sync subfolders.
Third-party PIM apps like Pocket Informant fake it by using categories and
filtering contacts/calendar items by category to simulate subfolder use.

Thank you, Todd. As I understand it, "PocketMirror Professional for Windows
Mobile," by Chapura, also enables multiple folder and subfolder syncing.
Another product by Chapura, "KeySuite," has been allowing me to do the same
for my Palm Zire 72.


"Todd Allcock" wrote:

> At 14 Nov 2008 13:54:11 -0800 lesviator wrote:
> > ...and another question, Werner.
> >
> > I've been looking at prices, and the two handhelds that you mention are a
> > little beyond my budget. I am now contemplating the HP iPaq 111 Classic.
> >
> > Basically, an essential function for my PDA, whichever one it is (until
> now
> > it's been a Palm Zire 72) is to be able to sync all of my Outlook 2003
> > abundant data with the handheld. I have several folders and subfolders in
> > both Calendars and Contacts (one of these subfolders in Calendars has
> over
> > 7,000 records,) and I need to make sure that all that data crosses over
> > complete (i.e., no data truncation) and differentiated (i.e. different
> > subfolders must be kept separate) from Outlook 2003 in my PC onto the
> PDA,
> > and vice versa.
> >
> > So far, the Zire 72 has been able to do this. Will the iPaq 111 Classic
> do
> > it as well?
>
> No, not without a few kludges. Windows Mobile doesn't sync subfolders.
> Third-party PIM apps like Pocket Informant fake it by using categories and
> filtering contacts/calendar items by category to simulate subfolder use.
>
>
>

At 17 Nov 2008 11:00:05 -0800 lesviator wrote:
> Thank you, Todd. As I understand it, "PocketMirror Professional for
Windows
> Mobile," by Chapura, also enables multiple folder and subfolder syncing.
> Another product by Chapura, "KeySuite," has been allowing me to do the
same
> for my Palm Zire 72.


I forgot about PocketMirror. It keeps the folder hierarchy on your desktop
intact, and creates categories on the mobile to simulate folders.

Thank you, Todd.

"Todd Allcock" wrote:

> At 17 Nov 2008 11:00:05 -0800 lesviator wrote:
> > Thank you, Todd. As I understand it, "PocketMirror Professional for
> Windows
> > Mobile," by Chapura, also enables multiple folder and subfolder syncing.
> > Another product by Chapura, "KeySuite," has been allowing me to do the
> same
> > for my Palm Zire 72.
>
>
> I forgot about PocketMirror. It keeps the folder hierarchy on your desktop
> intact, and creates categories on the mobile to simulate folders.
>
>
>

lesviator wrote...

> I have been syncing my Palm Zire 72 to my Outlook 2003 on my Windows XP PC
> for years now. The Zire 72 battery is dying on me, so it's time to buy a new
> PDA. The Palm TX looks like a good replacement, but I am also wondering about
> Windows-based brands such as the Pharos, etc.

I didn't know that the Palm PDAs could sync with Outlook? I thought that you had
to use the Palm desktop software.

> Any suggestions? Should I abandon Palm after several years and move on to a
> different platform?

I did this and I regret it. The Windows Mobile platform isn't anywhere as stable
or robust as PalmOS. In other words it's a "mini me". Windows - same crap,
different platform.

But having said that I run a HP iPaq 112 PDA. It does the job.

I wish that I did go with the Palm TX. I was looking at it, but the price
eventually turned me away. Plus the idea that I had that it wouldn't work with
Outlook.


--
Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others.

Let me disagree about stability. I've been using a MS Smartphone (s310) as a
generic phone for quite some time (solely because of its call recording
capabilities). It hasn't ever crashed on me. Of course, I didn't try to run
too many apps on it except for, say, Opera Mini as it's a low-end device.

Long gone are the days when WinMo equalled "instable, crashing OS"

BTW, the iPhone also has bugs. I've been playinmg with iPhone 3G for quite
long. Not even OS version 2.2 is absolutely stable. The same stands for
BlackBerry: my BB 8800 (which is my main "messaging and mailing" phone) has
crashed on me a lot of time (mostly during running Opera Mini). That is,
WinMo isn't as bad as some say.

--


--
Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen - Microsoft MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices
Please see the Pocket PC Mag Expert Blog (including mine) at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - you will definitely like it.


"Zak Nickotel" <zaknickotel******.com.au> wrote in message
news:qpsri41q9ii7rc7514eo487cn3i87lalfj@agent.com. ..
> lesviator wrote...
>
>> I have been syncing my Palm Zire 72 to my Outlook 2003 on my Windows XP
>> PC
>> for years now. The Zire 72 battery is dying on me, so it's time to buy a
>> new
>> PDA. The Palm TX looks like a good replacement, but I am also wondering
>> about
>> Windows-based brands such as the Pharos, etc.
>
> I didn't know that the Palm PDAs could sync with Outlook? I thought that
> you had
> to use the Palm desktop software.
>
>> Any suggestions? Should I abandon Palm after several years and move on to
>> a
>> different platform?
>
> I did this and I regret it. The Windows Mobile platform isn't anywhere as
> stable
> or robust as PalmOS. In other words it's a "mini me". Windows - same crap,
> different platform.
>
> But having said that I run a HP iPaq 112 PDA. It does the job.
>
> I wish that I did go with the Palm TX. I was looking at it, but the price
> eventually turned me away. Plus the idea that I had that it wouldn't work
> with
> Outlook.
>
>
> --
> Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others.

Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen [MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices] wrote...

> Let me disagree about stability. I've been using a MS Smartphone (s310) as a
> generic phone for quite some time (solely because of its call recording

That's one particular product. I'm comparing two PDAs, not smartphones.

My Palm Zire 71 ran like a dream for about 3 years. I only upgraded because its
screen was getting damaged to the point where it was having problems responding
to stylus inputs.

I decided on a WM platform because we're now using Outlook at work and I have
installed it at home. Seems to make sense to be able to sync my Outlook data
with work and home given that the PDA is mainly for work.

If PalmOS could do this then I would have stuck with it. If it can do it then
I'll consider my option when I need a new PDA. Provided that PalmOS is still
around and being supported then.

My HP iPaq on occasion needs resetting. It fills up its memory to the point
where programs can't load. And this is despite me using the memory function to
stop all running programs.

It's also slow compared to the Palm. I have problems with ActiveSync as well,
particularly trying to get Bluetooth to work with my laptop. (not that I've
tried that with the Palm as it doesn't have BT).


--
Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others.

Zak Nickotel wrote:

> I decided on a WM platform because we're now using Outlook at work and I have
> installed it at home. Seems to make sense to be able to sync my Outlook data
> with work and home given that the PDA is mainly for work.
>
> If PalmOS could do this then I would have stuck with it. If it can do it then
> I'll consider my option when I need a new PDA. Provided that PalmOS is still
> around and being supported then.
>
> My HP iPaq on occasion needs resetting. It fills up its memory to the point
> where programs can't load. And this is despite me using the memory function to
> stop all running programs.
>
> It's also slow compared to the Palm. I have problems with ActiveSync as well,
> particularly trying to get Bluetooth to work with my laptop. (not that I've
> tried that with the Palm as it doesn't have BT).

You can sync outlook with your palm and palm does have BT. I use both a
PPC (Dell Axim X51v) and a Palm TX for different purposes.

I use the Palm because the software I need is only available for the
Palm OS. I HotSync it with my laptop via BT.

My PPC also has memory issues (don't they all?) and occassionally
requires a soft reset to free up ram. The most sensitive app seems to
be PIE which has display problems if ram is low.

Overall I feel Palm is sliding into oblivion as a PDA. Software is not
being written for it and Palm support in general is weak. However, with
the growing popularity of so called "smartphones" PDAs are probably on
the road to extinction.

Palm OS being fully phased out none of the current OS'es seem to be as
stable and reliable as the Palm OS. Yes, not even the iPhone, which
sometimes (but indeed definitely less frequently than Symbian or Windows
Mobile) locks up too. That is, don't even expect anything similar to Palm OS
right now, stability-wise.


--


--
Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen - Microsoft MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices
Please see the Pocket PC Mag Expert Blog (including mine) at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - you will definitely like it.


"Pegleg" <brian.pegleg.jones******.com> wrote in message
news:ggrq9c$ok$1@aioe.org...
>
>
> Zak Nickotel wrote:
>
>> I decided on a WM platform because we're now using Outlook at work and I
>> have
>> installed it at home. Seems to make sense to be able to sync my Outlook
>> data
>> with work and home given that the PDA is mainly for work.
>>
>> If PalmOS could do this then I would have stuck with it. If it can do it
>> then
>> I'll consider my option when I need a new PDA. Provided that PalmOS is
>> still
>> around and being supported then.
>>
>> My HP iPaq on occasion needs resetting. It fills up its memory to the
>> point
>> where programs can't load. And this is despite me using the memory
>> function to
>> stop all running programs.
>>
>> It's also slow compared to the Palm. I have problems with ActiveSync as
>> well,
>> particularly trying to get Bluetooth to work with my laptop. (not that
>> I've
>> tried that with the Palm as it doesn't have BT).
>
> You can sync outlook with your palm and palm does have BT. I use both a
> PPC (Dell Axim X51v) and a Palm TX for different purposes.
>
> I use the Palm because the software I need is only available for the Palm
> OS. I HotSync it with my laptop via BT.
>
> My PPC also has memory issues (don't they all?) and occassionally requires
> a soft reset to free up ram. The most sensitive app seems to be PIE which
> has display problems if ram is low.
>
> Overall I feel Palm is sliding into oblivion as a PDA. Software is not
> being written for it and Palm support in general is weak. However, with
> the growing popularity of so called "smartphones" PDAs are probably on the
> road to extinction.

Pegleg wrote...

> > It's also slow compared to the Palm. I have problems with ActiveSync as well,
> > particularly trying to get Bluetooth to work with my laptop. (not that I've
> > tried that with the Palm as it doesn't have BT).
>
> You can sync outlook with your palm and palm does have BT.

Sorry, meant my previous Palm, a Zire 71, didn't have BT.

> Overall I feel Palm is sliding into oblivion as a PDA. Software is not
> being written for it and Palm support in general is weak. However, with
> the growing popularity of so called "smartphones" PDAs are probably on
> the road to extinction.

You may be right. Thing is, I owned a Palm Treo 750 for a while. I found it a
compromise, at best. It is a clunky phone and has limitations. As a PDA it works
but its screen is small. Ergonomically I wasn't that impressed with it.

I ended up selling it and buying the HP iPaq and got another phone. I don't
carry the PDA with me except at work. I don't need my phone at work. So out of
work, the flipphone is small enough to sit in my pocket unnoticed. It is able to
be sync'ed with Outlook for contacts and calendar data, so it's a min-PDA in
that sense.

What has got me interested is Nokia's newest offering. I think it's called the
5800. It's touted as an iPhone killer and on paper it looks impressive.

That may replace both PDA and phone some day.


--
Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others.

Zak Nickotel wrote:

> What has got me interested is Nokia's newest offering. I think it's called the
> 5800. It's touted as an iPhone killer and on paper it looks impressive.
>
> That may replace both PDA and phone some day.

With which carrier?