I have an iPaq 3670. Currently hadan installation problem with Odyssey Nav
program. Vendor said to check I had latest version of PPC2002.

I checked and it says 3.0.11171 build 11178.

I saw a later release 4.0, but this does not show up when I go to HPs site
and look for updates for the 3670.

Is there a later release that will work with an iPaq 3670?

Graham

"Graham" <XXXX@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>I have an iPaq 3670. Currently hadan installation problem with Odyssey Nav
> program. Vendor said to check I had latest version of PPC2002.
>
> I checked and it says 3.0.11171 build 11178.
>
> I saw a later release 4.0, but this does not show up when I go to HPs site
> and look for updates for the 3670.
>
> Is there a later release that will work with an iPaq 3670?
>
> Graham
>


Consider checking on ebay for a rom upgrade if HP no longer carries it. You
can find them for < $5.00 with immediate electronic download. You may have
to shoot hte seller to verify which version of 2002 upgrade it is, though.

"xTenn" <xTennRemoveThisPart@tds.net> wrote >
> "Graham" <XXXX@sympatico.ca> wrote
> >I have an iPaq 3670. Currently hadan installation problem with Odyssey
Nav
> > program. Vendor said to check I had latest version of PPC2002.
> >
> > I checked and it says 3.0.11171 build 11178.
> >
> > I saw a later release 4.0, but this does not show up when I go to HPs
site
> > and look for updates for the 3670.
> >
> > Is there a later release that will work with an iPaq 3670?
> >
> > Graham
>
> Consider checking on ebay for a rom upgrade if HP no longer carries it.
You
> can find them for < $5.00 with immediate electronic download. You may
have
> to shoot hte seller to verify which version of 2002 upgrade it is, though.
>

I have seen those auctions - One that sends a CD and another that sells a
download. But neither specifies just what they are selling. Maybe it is an
upgrade from PPC2000 for which you do need a CD or equivalent. But,
"updates" for PPC2002 are free and are available to download from HP, so no
need to pay an eBayer.

What I am trying to find out, is if the release 4.0 is applicable to the
3670 or if release 3.0 was the last one for the 3670. HP do not list 4.0 as
one of the downloads. Maybe they have just given up updating their site
though. I have already dowloaded 4.0 - just don't want to install if it will
do no good (because that would mean re-installing all other programs too!)

Graham

I think that Windows CE 4.0 would be PPC2003, not an update for PPC2002.

According to http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61949 HP did
not release an upgrade to PPC2003 for the iPaq 3670

Cheers

- rick

"Graham" <XXXX@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> "xTenn" <xTennRemoveThisPart@tds.net> wrote >
>> "Graham" <XXXX@sympatico.ca> wrote
>> >I have an iPaq 3670. Currently hadan installation problem with Odyssey
> Nav
>> > program. Vendor said to check I had latest version of PPC2002.
>> >
>> > I checked and it says 3.0.11171 build 11178.
>> >
>> > I saw a later release 4.0, but this does not show up when I go to HPs
> site
>> > and look for updates for the 3670.
>> >
>> > Is there a later release that will work with an iPaq 3670?
>> >
>> > Graham
>>
>> Consider checking on ebay for a rom upgrade if HP no longer carries it.
> You
>> can find them for < $5.00 with immediate electronic download. You may
> have
>> to shoot hte seller to verify which version of 2002 upgrade it is,
>> though.
>>
>
> I have seen those auctions - One that sends a CD and another that sells a
> download. But neither specifies just what they are selling. Maybe it is an
> upgrade from PPC2000 for which you do need a CD or equivalent. But,
> "updates" for PPC2002 are free and are available to download from HP, so
> no
> need to pay an eBayer.
>
> What I am trying to find out, is if the release 4.0 is applicable to the
> 3670 or if release 3.0 was the last one for the 3670. HP do not list 4.0
> as
> one of the downloads. Maybe they have just given up updating their site
> though. I have already dowloaded 4.0 - just don't want to install if it
> will
> do no good (because that would mean re-installing all other programs too!)
>
> Graham
>
>

"rick cameron" <rick.cameron@decisionscrystal.com> wrote in message
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> I think that Windows CE 4.0 would be PPC2003, not an update for PPC2002.
>
> According to http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61949 HP did
> not release an upgrade to PPC2003 for the iPaq 3670

I was referring to updates for PPC2002. I realise that PPC2003 is definitely
not an option on a 3670.

The PPC2002 upgrade I have installed at present, is EUU3, but there is also
EUU4 that MS issued to PDA vendors. But HP don't have this as an option for
the 3670, only for 39xx series iPaqs.

I don't really want to upgrade the ROM, but it seems that the software I am
trying to install (Odyssey Nav) does not recognize the iPaq 3670, even
although the program is designed to work on PPC2002 pdas.

It seems that Odyssey is the only GPS nav program that will work with
PPC2002 AND still provide updated mapping. Other vendors like iNav appear to
have abandoned those of us with older hardware.

Unless I can find software that will work with PPC2002, iPaq 3670 version, I
guess I am out of luck. I had hoped EUU4 might help, but it seems that it
will not.

Graham

"Graham" <XXXX@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>The PPC2002 upgrade I have installed at present, is EUU3, but there is also
>EUU4 that MS issued to PDA vendors. But HP don't have this as an option for
>the 3670, only for 39xx series iPaqs.

According to http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/faqs/pocketpc2002sp4.htm
it wasn't for the 3600. It may have been a ROM constraint. All
EUU's are ROM updates and the 3600 only came with 16MB of ROM.
After they shoehorned Pocket PC 2002 in there, and still had
enough room for EUU3, it is possible EUU4 just had too much data
to fit.
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"Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
<spamfree-silvernino********.spambegone.com> wrote:

>"Graham" <XXXX@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>The PPC2002 upgrade I have installed at present, is EUU3, but there is also
>>EUU4 that MS issued to PDA vendors. But HP don't have this as an option for
>>the 3670, only for 39xx series iPaqs.
>
>According to http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/faqs/pocketpc2002sp4.htm
>it wasn't for the 3600. It may have been a ROM constraint. All
>EUU's are ROM updates and the 3600 only came with 16MB of ROM.
>After they shoehorned Pocket PC 2002 in there, and still had
>enough room for EUU3, it is possible EUU4 just had too much data
>to fit.

I just looked at what was in EUU4. A new today theme and WMP was
upgraded to 8.5. I strongly suspect that there both wasn't enough
room *and* HP wouldn't have wanted to properly test to release
the EUU for the 3600 given it was out of date at the time.
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What is on my Pocket PC? http://www.ehansberry.com/
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What is an MVP? - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

"Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
<spamfree-silvernino********.spambegone.com> wrote
>
> According to http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/faqs/pocketpc2002sp4.htm
> it wasn't for the 3600. It may have been a ROM constraint. All
> EUU's are ROM updates and the 3600 only came with 16MB of ROM.
> After they shoehorned Pocket PC 2002 in there, and still had
> enough room for EUU3, it is possible EUU4 just had too much data
> to fit.
> --

Ed that link does just list the two iPaqs that can be upgraded to EUU4. As I
understand it, if HP don't implement the upgrade then it cannot/should not
be done?

You might be right about the ROM - The 3900 series has 48MB.

BUT, I came across this post where someone installed it on a 3700 series
iPaq and it worked.

http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=191413

Interstingly, EUU3 does install on the 3670 but it does not install WMP8.5
because of lack of ROM. Maybe something similar happens with EUU4 and only
system is updated?

So, suppose I try this after backing up to CF card with Sprite. What would
worst case scenario be. Would it be possible that I would have no way of
recovering?

Graham

"Graham" <XXXX@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>
>"Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
><spamfree-silvernino********.spambegone.com> wrote
>>
>> According to http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/faqs/pocketpc2002sp4.htm
>> it wasn't for the 3600. It may have been a ROM constraint. All
>> EUU's are ROM updates and the 3600 only came with 16MB of ROM.
>> After they shoehorned Pocket PC 2002 in there, and still had
>> enough room for EUU3, it is possible EUU4 just had too much data
>> to fit.
>> --
>
>Ed that link does just list the two iPaqs that can be upgraded to EUU4. As I
>understand it, if HP don't implement the upgrade then it cannot/should not
>be done?
>
>You might be right about the ROM - The 3900 series has 48MB.
>
>BUT, I came across this post where someone installed it on a 3700 series
>iPaq and it worked.
>
>http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=191413
>
>Interstingly, EUU3 does install on the 3670 but it does not install WMP8.5
>because of lack of ROM. Maybe something similar happens with EUU4 and only
>system is updated?
>
>So, suppose I try this after backing up to CF card with Sprite. What would
>worst case scenario be. Would it be possible that I would have no way of
>recovering?

It is a ROM update. Worst case, you brick the device and have to
send it back to HP for reflashing, and they might not support a
2002 device at all. the 3600 came out in 2000. I don't know any
PC manufacturer that would even service a box that old.
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What is on my Pocket PC? http://www.ehansberry.com/
Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices www.pocketpc.com
What is an MVP? - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

"Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
<spamfree-silvernino********.spambegone.com> wrote > >
> >So, suppose I try this after backing up to CF card with Sprite. What
would
> >worst case scenario be. Would it be possible that I would have no way of
> >recovering?
>
> It is a ROM update. Worst case, you brick the device and have to
> send it back to HP for reflashing, and they might not support a
> 2002 device at all. the 3600 came out in 2000. I don't know any
> PC manufacturer that would even service a box that old.
> --

Just as well car manufacturers don't think that way - My newest car was
built in 1998 and the old one in 1972 and I can still get it serviced and
buy parts :)

I am not yet ready to give up on my iPaq 3670. It works flawlessly and still
has the original battery. The Memplug dual CF sleeve with aux battery gave
it a new lease of life and the Haicom HI-305III CF GPS adds yet another slot
(SD). So, besides its internal 64MB, I can have a 2+Gig CF and a 2+Gig SD
for data while still plugging in a CF card.

We use it for auto navigation with iGuidance 2.1 and for marine navigation
with Fugawi. It also has a Wifi card which allows us to get email in
Starbucks etc when travelling. I sometimes use it for web access - even
while anchored out in an idylic Bahamas harbour that happens to have wifi
access! It also plays MP3s and we use it like an iPod on long trips in the
car. And it will play tunes and navigate simultaneously, which the new all
in one GPSs will not.

Now, how could I give up on all of that!

My only problem right now, is that the iGuidance 2.1 auto nav software maps
are no longer being updated and I have not found alternative up-to-date
software that will install and run on this old PPC2002 iPaq.

Thanks for your input Ed! I won't try the ROM update!

Graham

As far as EUU3 vs. EUU4 is concerned, back in 2002, I've tried a lot of
tricks to "hack" even the full (including all the goodies like WMP 8.5 - it
was in EUU3 and not in EUU4 that it was provided) EUU3 on my 16M (ALL
36xx-series iPAQ's have 16M ROM; it's the 37xx series that has 32M) ROM
3660. Despite what the page at
http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/faqs/pocketpc2002sp3.htm states, the *full* EUU3
was NOT intended for full install on iPAQ 36xx devices - let alone EUU4.

All in all, don't bother with it - I've tried very hard to do some hacking,
without any success.

--


--
Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen - Microsoft MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices
Please see the Pocket PC Mag Expert Blog (including mine) at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - you will definitely like it.


"Graham" <XXXX@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
> <spamfree-silvernino********.spambegone.com> wrote > >
>> >So, suppose I try this after backing up to CF card with Sprite. What
> would
>> >worst case scenario be. Would it be possible that I would have no way of
>> >recovering?
>>
>> It is a ROM update. Worst case, you brick the device and have to
>> send it back to HP for reflashing, and they might not support a
>> 2002 device at all. the 3600 came out in 2000. I don't know any
>> PC manufacturer that would even service a box that old.
>> --
>
> Just as well car manufacturers don't think that way - My newest car was
> built in 1998 and the old one in 1972 and I can still get it serviced and
> buy parts :)
>
> I am not yet ready to give up on my iPaq 3670. It works flawlessly and
> still
> has the original battery. The Memplug dual CF sleeve with aux battery gave
> it a new lease of life and the Haicom HI-305III CF GPS adds yet another
> slot
> (SD). So, besides its internal 64MB, I can have a 2+Gig CF and a 2+Gig SD
> for data while still plugging in a CF card.
>
> We use it for auto navigation with iGuidance 2.1 and for marine navigation
> with Fugawi. It also has a Wifi card which allows us to get email in
> Starbucks etc when travelling. I sometimes use it for web access - even
> while anchored out in an idylic Bahamas harbour that happens to have wifi
> access! It also plays MP3s and we use it like an iPod on long trips in the
> car. And it will play tunes and navigate simultaneously, which the new all
> in one GPSs will not.
>
> Now, how could I give up on all of that!
>
> My only problem right now, is that the iGuidance 2.1 auto nav software
> maps
> are no longer being updated and I have not found alternative up-to-date
> software that will install and run on this old PPC2002 iPaq.
>
> Thanks for your input Ed! I won't try the ROM update!
>
> Graham
>
>

> BUT, I came across this post where someone installed it on a 3700 series
> iPaq and it worked.
>
> http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=191413
>

The 3700 series has 32M ROM, unlike the 16M-based 3600 series.


--


--
Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen - Microsoft MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices
Please see the Pocket PC Mag Expert Blog (including mine) at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - you will definitely like it.


"Graham" <XXXX@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
> <spamfree-silvernino********.spambegone.com> wrote
>>
>> According to http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/faqs/pocketpc2002sp4.htm
>> it wasn't for the 3600. It may have been a ROM constraint. All
>> EUU's are ROM updates and the 3600 only came with 16MB of ROM.
>> After they shoehorned Pocket PC 2002 in there, and still had
>> enough room for EUU3, it is possible EUU4 just had too much data
>> to fit.
>> --
>
> Ed that link does just list the two iPaqs that can be upgraded to EUU4. As
> I
> understand it, if HP don't implement the upgrade then it cannot/should not
> be done?
>
> You might be right about the ROM - The 3900 series has 48MB.
>
> BUT, I came across this post where someone installed it on a 3700 series
> iPaq and it worked.
>
> http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=191413
>
> Interstingly, EUU3 does install on the 3670 but it does not install WMP8.5
> because of lack of ROM. Maybe something similar happens with EUU4 and only
> system is updated?
>
> So, suppose I try this after backing up to CF card with Sprite. What would
> worst case scenario be. Would it be possible that I would have no way of
> recovering?
>
> Graham
>
>

"Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen [MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices]"
<!ei.maileja@kiitos!> wrote in message
news:uRxIkHykIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> As far as EUU3 vs. EUU4 is concerned, back in 2002, I've tried a lot of
> tricks to "hack" even the full (including all the goodies like WMP 8.5 -
it
> was in EUU3 and not in EUU4 that it was provided) EUU3 on my 16M (ALL
> 36xx-series iPAQ's have 16M ROM; it's the 37xx series that has 32M) ROM
> 3660. Despite what the page at
> http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/faqs/pocketpc2002sp3.htm states, the *full*
EUU3
> was NOT intended for full install on iPAQ 36xx devices - let alone EUU4.
>
> All in all, don't bother with it - I've tried very hard to do some
hacking,
> without any success.
>

Thanks for the advice Werner - I guess I will have to go out and by a
Magellan or Garmin All-in-one just for use in the car. They are cheap
enough. But will keep using iPaq in other car. Luckily most roads are not
moving, so old maps work most of the time. The iPaq will probably still be
used on our boat and for wifi when travelling witout laptop.

Regards

Graham