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| Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 Hi guys, (FYI I'm in the UK) My 3G contract is due to end March, 2008. 3G, apparantley, cannot offer Bluetooth connection (to access a 3G Internet, so my PDA is of no use) and the only carrier that I get a signal where I live is Vodaphone. So I'm thinking of changing things, I use an ACER Pocket PC for all my diary, contacts etc. it is indespensible (the last time I used a paper diary was 1993) and it is VERY good, no complaints whatsoever. I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6, hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly another provider). Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G, obviously, that is available? Thanks in advance. Charles Turner |
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| Re: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 "Charles Turner" <charles.turner@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:CqSdnRfwO9ibNgHanZ2dnUVZ8h6dnZ2d@bt.com... > Hi guys, > > I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6, > hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync > etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly > another provider). > > Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G, > obviously, that is available? No one I know is unhappy with the Tilt. One guy in charge of mobile support for a very large company, even ditched his two month iPhone for a Tilt and is very happy. Microsoft is allowing developers to experiment with 'cloud based voice recognition that enable things like program/file launch and data entry by voice. I've asked the techies I know to explore external displays. |
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| Re: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 "Thurman" <thurman@bigplanet.com> wrote in message news:uW3nj.84$8X6.68@newsfe07.lga... > > "Charles Turner" <charles.turner@btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:CqSdnRfwO9ibNgHanZ2dnUVZ8h6dnZ2d@bt.com... >> Hi guys, >> >> I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6, >> hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync >> etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly >> another provider). >> >> Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G, >> obviously, that is available? > > No one I know is unhappy with the Tilt. <snip>. Since Charles is in the UK, and the Tilt is a USA AT&T network specific variation of the HTC TyTN II, I don't think he'd be to satisfied using one of those. I concur with Jeff (in the other identical thread) regarding HTCs lack of real customer service and I too wouldn't go for anything of theirs for the same reason. It really is a big deal in this day and age to not provide drivers that properly utilise hardware capabilities and any response other than a "sorry, well fix it right away" (with appropriate follow-up action) is scandalous. My question to Charles is why exactly do you want a Windows Mobile ppc (rather than something with a different OS)? Let me tell you that if it's because of imagined seamless compatibility with Windows on desktop PCs, you're in for a shock! If your PCs run Win XP then the synching/connection between PPC and PC would be via Activesync 4.5 (which is guaranteed to slow your file transfers to a crawl and will not sync directly native OS apps such as Address Book contacts or Outlook Express Emails). There are also the same limitations using the newer WMDC in Vista to connect with Windows Mobile 6 devices (no native OS Application syncing and all the speed of pouring cold treacle). Windows Mobile itself isn't to bad, it's definitely the connectivity to PCs that's currently the weak link. Until these problems are remedied I'd stick with the trusty Acer. There are VGA/near VGA resolution WM6 PPCs from Toshiba due early in 2008 and they have an excellent reputation when it comes to compact PCs. Perhaps Active Sync and WMDCs problems may be remedied by then.... The OP shouldn't be in any hurry to part with cash, the products will only get better with time and provide more value for money. Paul |
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| Re: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 see my response in the other identical thread. Jeff "Thurman" <thurman@bigplanet.com> wrote in message news:uW3nj.84$8X6.68@newsfe07.lga... > > "Charles Turner" <charles.turner@btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:CqSdnRfwO9ibNgHanZ2dnUVZ8h6dnZ2d@bt.com... >> Hi guys, >> >> I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6, >> hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync >> etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly >> another provider). >> >> Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G, >> obviously, that is available? > > No one I know is unhappy with the Tilt. > > One guy in charge of mobile support for a very large company, even ditched > his two month iPhone for a Tilt and is very happy. > > Microsoft is allowing developers to experiment with 'cloud based voice > recognition that enable things like program/file launch and data entry by > voice. > > I've asked the techies I know to explore external displays. > > |
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| Re: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 Hi Paul, Yes, the main reason for wanting Windows mobile was so I could "seamlessly" sync with other applications on my PC (e.g. ACT! 2008 via Companion Link). I am now beginning to realise it's not that simple. A good solution is to use the phone as a 3G modem and connect the Pocket PC to it using Bluetooth. The only limitation is the speed of the Bluetooth. In the UK my mobile phone service provider is 3G (at the moment) and whilst you can connect a PC to the phone using a cable and use it as a modem you can't do the same using Bluetooth. I don't think this is a problem with Vodaphone or O2. Regards, Charles "Paul Murphy" <p_murphynothanks@tospamhotmail.com> wrote in message news:13pq1ha7ulmiu38@corp.supernews.com... > "Thurman" <thurman@bigplanet.com> wrote in message > news:uW3nj.84$8X6.68@newsfe07.lga... >> >> "Charles Turner" <charles.turner@btinternet.com> wrote in message >> news:CqSdnRfwO9ibNgHanZ2dnUVZ8h6dnZ2d@bt.com... >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6, >>> hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync >>> etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly >>> another provider). >>> >>> Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G, >>> obviously, that is available? >> >> No one I know is unhappy with the Tilt. > <snip>. > > Since Charles is in the UK, and the Tilt is a USA AT&T network specific > variation of the HTC TyTN II, I don't think he'd be to satisfied using one > of those. I concur with Jeff (in the other identical thread) regarding > HTCs lack of real customer service and I too wouldn't go for anything of > theirs for the same reason. It really is a big deal in this day and age to > not provide drivers that properly utilise hardware capabilities and any > response other than a "sorry, well fix it right away" (with appropriate > follow-up action) is scandalous. > > My question to Charles is why exactly do you want a Windows Mobile ppc > (rather than something with a different OS)? Let me tell you that if it's > because of imagined seamless compatibility with Windows on desktop PCs, > you're in for a shock! If your PCs run Win XP then the synching/connection > between PPC and PC would be via Activesync 4.5 (which is guaranteed to > slow your file transfers to a crawl and will not sync directly native OS > apps such as Address Book contacts or Outlook Express Emails). There are > also the same limitations using the newer WMDC in Vista to connect with > Windows Mobile 6 devices (no native OS Application syncing and all the > speed of pouring cold treacle). Windows Mobile itself isn't to bad, it's > definitely the connectivity to PCs that's currently the weak link. > > Until these problems are remedied I'd stick with the trusty Acer. There > are VGA/near VGA resolution WM6 PPCs from Toshiba due early in 2008 and > they have an excellent reputation when it comes to compact PCs. Perhaps > Active Sync and WMDCs problems may be remedied by then.... > > The OP shouldn't be in any hurry to part with cash, the products will only > get better with time and provide more value for money. > > Paul > |
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| Re: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:20:19 -0000, "Charles Turner" <charles.turner@btinternet.com> wrote: >Hi Paul, > >Yes, the main reason for wanting Windows mobile was so I could "seamlessly" >sync with other applications on my PC (e.g. ACT! 2008 via Companion Link). I >am now beginning to realise it's not that simple. > >A good solution is to use the phone as a 3G modem and connect the Pocket PC >to it using Bluetooth. The only limitation is the speed of the Bluetooth. In >the UK my mobile phone service provider is 3G (at the moment) and whilst you >can connect a PC to the phone using a cable and use it as a modem you can't >do the same using Bluetooth. I don't think this is a problem with Vodaphone >or O2. > What makes you say you can't use Bluetooth to connect via a 3G service? Also the speed of Bluetooth won't be too much of a limitation on a phone. What phone and PC operating system are you using? >Regards, > > >Charles > > > >"Paul Murphy" <p_murphynothanks@tospamhotmail.com> wrote in message >news:13pq1ha7ulmiu38@corp.supernews.com... >> "Thurman" <thurman@bigplanet.com> wrote in message >> news:uW3nj.84$8X6.68@newsfe07.lga... >>> >>> "Charles Turner" <charles.turner@btinternet.com> wrote in message >>> news:CqSdnRfwO9ibNgHanZ2dnUVZ8h6dnZ2d@bt.com... >>>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>> I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6, >>>> hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync >>>> etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly >>>> another provider). >>>> >>>> Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G, >>>> obviously, that is available? >>> >>> No one I know is unhappy with the Tilt. >> <snip>. >> >> Since Charles is in the UK, and the Tilt is a USA AT&T network specific >> variation of the HTC TyTN II, I don't think he'd be to satisfied using one >> of those. I concur with Jeff (in the other identical thread) regarding >> HTCs lack of real customer service and I too wouldn't go for anything of >> theirs for the same reason. It really is a big deal in this day and age to >> not provide drivers that properly utilise hardware capabilities and any >> response other than a "sorry, well fix it right away" (with appropriate >> follow-up action) is scandalous. >> >> My question to Charles is why exactly do you want a Windows Mobile ppc >> (rather than something with a different OS)? Let me tell you that if it's >> because of imagined seamless compatibility with Windows on desktop PCs, >> you're in for a shock! If your PCs run Win XP then the synching/connection >> between PPC and PC would be via Activesync 4.5 (which is guaranteed to >> slow your file transfers to a crawl and will not sync directly native OS >> apps such as Address Book contacts or Outlook Express Emails). There are >> also the same limitations using the newer WMDC in Vista to connect with >> Windows Mobile 6 devices (no native OS Application syncing and all the >> speed of pouring cold treacle). Windows Mobile itself isn't to bad, it's >> definitely the connectivity to PCs that's currently the weak link. >> >> Until these problems are remedied I'd stick with the trusty Acer. There >> are VGA/near VGA resolution WM6 PPCs from Toshiba due early in 2008 and >> they have an excellent reputation when it comes to compact PCs. Perhaps >> Active Sync and WMDCs problems may be remedied by then.... >> >> The OP shouldn't be in any hurry to part with cash, the products will only >> get better with time and provide more value for money. >> >> Paul >> |
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| Re: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 Hi, The problem is that the level of support from the mobile phone service providers is pathetic, particularly 3G with their Indian Call Centre who are incapable of understanding your question let alone providing an answer. After a lot of messing about 3G said that a wired connection WAS possible (which is correct as I've tried it) but a Bluetooth connection was not (correct on the face of it as I couldn't get it to work). Of course I have no confidence whatsoever that what they are saying is correct, as they display complete incompetance, so you may be right and I can connect through Bluetooth. Exactly why I could not connect is not clear. I would in fact like to remain with 3G as I can get a good deal, however, in terms of technical help and support I am probably better phoning my local plumber or butcher. Regards, Charles What makes you say you can't use Bluetooth to connect via a 3G > service? Also the speed of Bluetooth won't be too much of a limitation > on a phone. |
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| Re: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 Thurman wrote: > "Charles Turner" <charles.turner@btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:CqSdnRfwO9ibNgHanZ2dnUVZ8h6dnZ2d@bt.com... >> Hi guys, >> >> I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6, >> hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync >> etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly >> another provider). >> >> Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G, >> obviously, that is available? > > No one I know is unhappy with the Tilt. > > One guy in charge of mobile support for a very large company, even ditched > his two month iPhone for a Tilt and is very happy. > > Microsoft is allowing developers to experiment with 'cloud based voice > recognition that enable things like program/file launch and data entry by > voice. > > I've asked the techies I know to explore external displays. > > I was evaluating the Tilt. I thought it was a pretty solid little phone. Liked the voice command for pulling up apps. Getting an internet connection could be a little slow sometimes, primarily from my bedroom. Not sure if I was in a dead zone or not. The touch screen and predictive typing are great. It starts with it's own predictive words, then adjusts that to give priority to words you've recently or recurringly enter. Unlike Verizon's Blackberry, you can actually use their GPS with something like Google Maps. And their navigation software is much better than Verizon's. Down sides is that they want you to invest in Bluetooth connectors to link your phone to your pc. No normal headphone jack. Just a miniUSB port. And they don't sell headphones that will work with it. They do sell Bluetooth stereo headphones though. I'm suspecting they bought a chunk of Bluetooth and are trying to force you to use it. I returned it because I don't use the features of a smartphone enough to justify the expense. |
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| Re: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 At 12 Feb 2008 07:57:06 -0800 doofy wrote: > I was evaluating the Tilt... > Down sides is that they want you to invest in Bluetooth connectors to > link your phone to your pc. Um, I'm not sure what you mean? Bluetooth is optional- you can sync with your PC with the (included) USB cable. > No normal headphone jack. Just a miniUSB port. And they don't > sell headphones that will work with it. It comes with a set, and several adaptors are available to let you plug regular 1/8"/3.5mm "walkman" headphones in. I have a few for my wife's T- Mobile Dash that uses the same (stupid) "enhanced" USB port. > They do sell Bluetooth stereo headphones though. I'm suspecting > they bought a chunk of Bluetooth and are trying to force you to use it. ?!? The use of Bluetooth is certainly optional, and darned convenient! |
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| Re: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 Todd Allcock wrote: > At 12 Feb 2008 07:57:06 -0800 doofy wrote: > >> I was evaluating the Tilt... > > >> Down sides is that they want you to invest in Bluetooth connectors to >> link your phone to your pc. > > Um, I'm not sure what you mean? Bluetooth is optional- you can sync with > your PC with the (included) USB cable. I read a review that said that you couldn't. And the software disk that came with it didn't have any drivers to recognize the tilt. > >> No normal headphone jack. Just a miniUSB port. And they don't >> sell headphones that will work with it. > > It comes with a set, and several adaptors are available to let you plug > regular 1/8"/3.5mm "walkman" headphones in. I have a few for my wife's T- > Mobile Dash that uses the same (stupid) "enhanced" USB port. > Mine did not come with a set. They also said they didn't have any I could buy extra. I also read that you have to be very careful what adapters you use, or you won't get audio. >> They do sell Bluetooth stereo headphones though. I'm suspecting >> they bought a chunk of Bluetooth and are trying to force you to use it. > > > ?!? The use of Bluetooth is certainly optional, and darned convenient! Not if I'm forced to use it because the USB won't work. |
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| Re: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 At 22 Feb 2008 09:40:53 -0800 doofy wrote: > > Um, I'm not sure what you mean? Bluetooth is optional- you > > can sync with > > your PC with the (included) USB cable. > I read a review that said that you couldn't. And the software disk > that came with it didn't have any drivers to recognize the tilt. The sync and phone-as-modem drivers are integrated with Activesync (or WMDC if you use Vista.) There's no separate "Tilt" driver. (Or driver for any Windows Mobile phone.) > > It comes with a set, and several adaptors are available to let you plug > > regular 1/8"/3.5mm "walkman" headphones in. I have a few for my wife's T- > > Mobile Dash that uses the same (stupid) "enhanced" USB port. > > > > Mine did not come with a set. They also said they didn't have any I > could buy extra. I also read that you have to be very careful what > adapters you use, or you won't get audio. I'm quite surprised you didn't get a set. HTC (the actual maker of the Tilt) generally includes a relatively crummy set of headphones with every phone they sell. As to the adapters, any specifically made to work with the Tilt (or Kaiser, Dash, Excalibur, etc.) shouldn't be a problem. > > ?!? The use of Bluetooth is certainly optional, and darned convenient! > > Not if I'm forced to use it because the USB won't work. USB works fine. No offense, but I'm not so sure you investigated any of these smartphones you tried fully before sending them back! ;-) |
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| Re: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 Got a Tilt from AT&T a while back and surprisingly there was no headset in the box, or any adapter. Was the first WM device I have gotten without one. Not a great loss, as you say, they tend to be crummy. Still, I think AT&T should have provided something. Mobile Planet sells some nice accessories to mitigate that. e.g. http://www.expansys-usa.com/p.aspx?i...asource=151727 , but also http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=148545. There are other places with cheaper options. I concur that USB works just fine, for what it is designed for, syncing and charging. BT is a valid and effective option for audio, music and phone handsfree. Except on a plane...no you can't use the phone, but if you want to listen to music, they still frown on transmitters on the airlines. Wireless isn't an option. My solution to that is a Zune. I prefer a phone with remaining battery when I get off the plane anyway. -- Sven MVP Mobile Devices "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message news:fpn2kn$fbj$1@aioe.org... |
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| Re: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 At 22 Feb 2008 19:12:19 -0700 Sven wrote: > Got a Tilt from AT&T a while back and surprisingly there was no headset > in the box, or any adapter. That's pretty surprising (and disgusting) especially since the headphone plug is proprietary. > Was the first WM device I have gotten without one. Not a great loss, > as you say, they tend to be crummy. Still, I think AT&T should have > provided something. I agree 100%. Especially with a phone with an oddball port being sold as a multimedia device! > Mobile Planet sells some nice accessories to mitigate that. e.g. > http://www.expansys-usa.com/p.aspx?i...asource=151727 , > but also http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=148545. There are other places with cheaper options. I lose them so often (which is why I HATE needing adapters!) I tend to troll eBay and buy 3 or 4 at a time from the same seller to reduce the shipping charges. > I concur that USB works just fine, for what it is designed for, syncing > and charging. BT is a valid and effective option for audio, music and > phone handsfree. Except on a plane...no you can't use the phone, > but if you want to listen to music, they still frown on transmitters on > the airlines. Wireless isn't an option. My solution to that is a Zune. I give the Zunes to the kids and use my phone for myself. (Arrrgh! Don't get me started on the Zune! More below!) > I prefer a phone with remaining battery when I get off the plane anyway. Yeah, my solution for that was a 4AA battery pack with a USB socket I slapped together out of parts from a RadioShack- recently I've found a neat USB charger designed for MP3 players that I found on clearance at WalMart for $20. It's called the"MusicPower" by Encore and has a 2100mAH Li-Ion pack integrated into the wall plug and two USB charging port outputs. I can just plug the sync/charge cable for any USB device (or two!) in and it recharges it on the go, and it recharges the internal battery whenever it's plugged into AC. (Segue into the aforementioned Zune story...) I bought it the very next day after returning from a vacation trip to Mexico in early January- I had just bought two 30GB Zunes from the holiday fire sales to entertain the kids on this upcoming trip, loaded them up with hours and hours of kidvids and flew to Mexico. Traveling light, I left the laptop at home, just bringing my HTC Wizard phone, and my old Dell Axim X5 PPC (3 kids, two Zunes, do the math!) and my usual travel bag of cheap eBay AC-to-USB chargers, headphones and charge/sync cables. After the 4 hours of in-flight entertainment exhausted the batteries of all phones, PPCs and Zunes involved we arrive at the hotel, unpack, plug in the various chargers (including my MacGiver-esque home-built battery pack composed of at least 20% duct-tape!) only to discover not one of my "generic" AC-to-USB chargers will charge Zunes! A quick web search (on the Wizard) with the hotel lobby's free WiFi confirmed Zunes are apparently VERY finicky with respect to voltage and amperage and only computer-USB ports or chargers "Designed for Zune (TM)" are guaranteed to charge it. At this point I'm kicking myself for not testing the chargers with the Zunes prior to traveling but I never imagined it'd be a problem! While my wife and kids were shopping for souvenirs during the trip, I'm ducking into camera and electrobnic shops (as well as the local Cancun Walmart and Office Depots!) leads me to the conclusion that the Zune isn't apparently sold in Mexico yet, (but imagine the fun I had trying to explain what a "Zune" is in my bad Spanish- "like an iPod, but Microsoft!" had salespeople showing me XBox accessories!) so there was no way to buy a Zune- branded charger locally, and I really didn't want to risk buying various overpriced non-returnable iPod Chargers hoping they'd work! So, on the plane ride home two kids shared the Axim (yes, while I constantly lose any proprietary adapters I need there was actually a years- old dual headphone adapter in my travel bag for whatever reason!) and the third child used my phone, and the brand-new Zunes purchased specifically for this trip sat, completely discharged, in the luggage! I swore at that point I'd buy chargers for them on the way home from the airprt, (but actually waited until the next day!) So, while looking for an official "Designed for Zune" charger at my local Colorado WalMart (whose disinterested teen-aged employees had me longing for their Cancun counterparts who, while unable to understand me, were at least trying to help!) I stumbled upon these rechargeable units on clearence that I bought, confirmed worked with the Zunes, and went back the next day and bought a second! (Ok, enough off-topic storytelling for one evening, I guess!) Back on topic, how do (did?) you like the Tilt? Rumor has it my carrier (T- Mobile) might roll out a version this summer if/when they finally launch 3G. Is the video playback as slow as the disgruntled owners say? My (200MHz OMAP) MDA (Wizard) is much slower than my old Axim X5, and I was hoping for a better player, (at least with TCPMP.) |
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| Re: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 "Sven" <sejohannsen********.com> wrote in message news:D5BFADF1-B887-4522-A71B-C561F9AE9EC3@microsoft.com... > Got a Tilt from AT&T a while back and surprisingly there was no headset in > the box, or any adapter. Was the first WM device I have gotten without > one. Not a great loss, as you say, they tend to be crummy. Still, I think > AT&T should have provided something. The price drop from $400 8525 to $300 Tilt was apparently accomplished in part by elimination of travel charger, travel cable, headset, micro camera lens, etc. I prefer the 8525 but am envious of the included GPS. I've been testing a 4GB EEE PC without Bluetooth this week. Have not been able to tether yet, but that 7" screen is nice. |
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| RE: Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6 Hi - I'm UK based too. Reading these responses I went to look at the Tilt phone everyone is chatting about. It looks just like the T-Mobile MDA. I've been using the MDA Vario for nearly 15 months now. I was an original Compaq iPaq owner before that. I only changed when I dropped it on the ground and it didn't bounce well...... My move to smartphone has been great. It provides great service and with the web & walk feature offered by T-M, I can get the internet anywhere. There are some newer, slimmer, models since I got mine. There are also units with satnav available if needed. JD "Charles Turner" wrote: > Hi guys, > > (FYI I'm in the UK) > > My 3G contract is due to end March, 2008. 3G, apparantley, cannot offer > Bluetooth connection (to access a 3G Internet, so my PDA is of no use) and > the only carrier that I get a signal where I live is Vodaphone. > > So I'm thinking of changing things, I use an ACER Pocket PC for all my > diary, contacts etc. it is indespensible (the last time I used a paper diary > was 1993) and it is VERY good, no complaints whatsoever. > > I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6, > hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync > etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly another > provider). > > Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G, > obviously, that is available? > > Thanks in advance. > > > Charles Turner > > |
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