Here you go guys and girls.
Legitimate software written by myself.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/taximania/dond.html

I will add a demo download to my website, (PPC and WIN), tomorrow, so you
can take a look at some of the features of the program.

Regards Barry

At 27 Aug 2007 21:18:49 +0100 taximania wrote:
> Here you go guys and girls.
> Legitimate software written by myself.
>
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/taximania/dond.html


Legitimate as in you've licensed the rights to use the game from the
producers of the program?


> I will add a demo download to my website, (PPC and WIN), tomorrow,
> so you can take a look at some of the features of the program.
>
> Regards Barry

Per your website:
"Cost is £5.00 UK GBP for both programs."

So what percentage of that fiver goes to Endemol?






--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
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At 27 Aug 2007 21:18:49 +0100 taximania wrote:
> Here you go guys and girls.
> Legitimate software written by myself.
>
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/taximania/dond.html


>Legitimate as in you've licensed the rights to use the game from the
>producers of the program?
Legitimate as in, 'I wrote the software myself', based on a tv program.

>Per your website:
>"Cost is £5.00 UK GBP for both programs."
>So what percentage of that fiver goes to Endemol?
None.

If I write a game based on a public house and called it Corronatish St, or a
game set on a beach and called it 'Home and There' would I have to pay the
TV companies?

I'll change it's name to 'Pick a Box', does it make a difference.

Thanks for the positive reply !!

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/taximania/dond.html

At 28 Aug 2007 08:16:06 +0100 taximania wrote:

> If I write a game based on a public house and called it Corronatish
St, or a
> game set on a beach and called it 'Home and There' would I have to
pay the
> TV companies?


You tread a fine line when you pinch material from a copyrighted
program. If you want to write an "Asteroids"-like space shoot-em-up
and sell it, that's one thing, but change the spaceship to a blue
phone box, the Asteroids to Daleks, and call it "Dr. Who" and you'll
be in a world of trouble!

> I'll change it's name to 'Pick a Box', does it make a difference.


That's up to Endemol and their lawyers, not me! ;-)

> Thanks for the positive reply !!

Good luck!

--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
news:7RVAi.11559$lJ2.5329@fe089.usenetserver.com.. .
> At 28 Aug 2007 08:16:06 +0100 taximania wrote:
>
> You tread a fine line when you pinch material from a copyrighted
> program.

I'm not pinching material. I've wrote a program for the PPC that no-one else
has, based on a TV program. Why should I not be able to sell the software !!

I've emailed Endemol and Channel4, let's see if they can be arsed to reply.
I asked them to make me an offer for the sole copyright of my software.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, sorry, i'm usually a funny type of guy.

One of the main reasons the UK is going to pot is because were turning too
Americanised. Law suit, sue sue sue.

My main gripe with you personally is that you didn't, wasn't or couldn't be
bothered to actually evaluate my programming skills, you just slag me off
and bang on about law suits .........

>Legitimate as in you've licensed the rights to use the game from the
>producers of the program?

Sad .......

>Per your website:
>"Cost is £5.00 UK GBP for both programs."
>So what percentage of that fiver goes to Endemol?

I've dropped the price to £2.99
If I made it free as freeware I bet you'd download the b&%£$*d

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:39:43 +0100, "taximania"
<bazza@NOSPAMtaximania.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
>news:7RVAi.11559$lJ2.5329@fe089.usenetserver.com. ..
>> At 28 Aug 2007 08:16:06 +0100 taximania wrote:
>>
>> You tread a fine line when you pinch material from a copyrighted
>> program.
>
>I'm not pinching material. I've wrote a program for the PPC that no-one else
>has, based on a TV program. Why should I not be able to sell the software !!

The bottom line here is even if it is the best program on the planet
Deal or No Deal is a copyrighted program, in order to use
it you have to liscensed the owners of the copyrigth to use it.

I would add that someone may already have those rights even if
they aren't producing a product for the ppc.

If you go into your local store you'll see a number of
liscensed Deal or No Deal products.

You are pinching material here and the reason you shouldn't be
able to sell the program is you're infringing on someonelses
copy rights.

So go ahead and market the program, see how fast the lawyers
come down and squash you like a bug.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:16:06 +0100, "taximania"
<bazza@NOSPAMtaximania.co.uk> wrote:
>If I write a game based on a public house and called it Corronatish St, or a
>game set on a beach and called it 'Home and There' would I have to pay the
>TV companies?
Bear in mind if it resembles Deal or No Deal in any capacity at all
you may hear from the lawyers with complaints. They own the
copyright.


>I'll change it's name to 'Pick a Box', does it make a difference.
Now even if you change the name but the basic concept remains
similar to DOND you may find yourself buried by lawyers.

You may not like it but the show is copyrighted material and
someone owns that copyright.

The law is on their side, not yours.

>Thanks for the positive reply !!
Wake up and smell the coffee. I don't write the laws, I jsut
have to live under them.

Don't blame me or anyone else here if you don't like
the laws.

Talk to your law makers.

"taximania" <bazza@NOSPAMtaximania.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46d479ff$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
> news:7RVAi.11559$lJ2.5329@fe089.usenetserver.com.. .
>> At 28 Aug 2007 08:16:06 +0100 taximania wrote:
>>
>> You tread a fine line when you pinch material from a copyrighted
>> program.
>
> I'm not pinching material. I've wrote a program for the PPC that no-one
> else has, based on a TV program. Why should I not be able to sell the
> software !!

You may not be pinched for material, but Endemol has a copyright on "Deal or
no Deal." It's their intellectual property, not yours to do with as you
please. If you make a product based on their property, and they notice,
they probably won't like it and you could end up in a great deal of hurt as
a result.


> My main gripe with you personally is that you didn't, wasn't or couldn't
> be bothered to actually evaluate my programming skills, you just slag me
> off and bang on about law suits .........

He didn't slag you off. He pointed out the very real possibility that you
could get sued by a large company for stealing their liscenced property.
You don't have the rights to use their name or the content of the show.
What you're doing is no different then photocopying a novel, changing the
cover and selling it as your own. It's somewhat less than legal, if you
catch my drift.



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"janette ducharme" <janetteNO SPAMducharme******.com> wrote in message
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> Talk to your law makers.

I'm sure Parliament would take his request to change the country's copyright
laws very seriously...



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At 28 Aug 2007 20:39:43 +0100 taximania wrote:

> I'm not pinching material. I've wrote a program for the PPC that no-
> one else has, based on a TV program. Why should I not be able to
> sell the software !!

Are you being naive, or just belligerent?

The answer is obvious: because you don't own the source material.
You can't market a DOND game without permission anymore than you can
sell a Star Wars game. I don't know about in the UK, but here in the
states there are several licensed versions of
DOND games for dozens of platforms: PCs, Macs, interactive DVDs, TV
game systems (Playstation, Wii), handheld game systems (Nintendo DS,
Game Boy etc.) and even dedicated handheld game units. Just because
nobody is selling a PPC version yet doesn't mean YOU can!

Of all people, frankly, I'd expect a software developer to respect
intellectual property! Otherwise how is it different than if I rip
off your website code, replace the pictures of the UK host with Howie
Mandel, buy a copy of your game, edit the pounds sterling to American
dollars, and resell your game as the "legitimate US PPC version?"


> I've emailed Endemol and Channel4, let's see if they can be arsed
> to reply.


They'll likely reply with a cease and desist letter!

> I asked them to make me an offer for the sole copyright of my
> software.
>
> Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, sorry, i'm usually a funny type of guy.

Hey, good luck with it. Endemol is making a giant pile of money with
that ridiculous show, and I suspect they have no desire to share it
with you.

> One of the main reasons the UK is going to pot is because were
> turning too Americanised. Law suit, sue sue sue.


Give it a rest- you're in the UK- not Singapore. The UK has always
respected copyright. How many unlicensed games based on TV shows
have you seen in the UK? How many unlicensed "Doctor Who" novels are
on the shelves at the local book stores?

> My main gripe with you personally is that you didn't, wasn't or
> couldn't be bothered to actually evaluate my programming skills,

Why should it- your "skills" are going to sell that game- the
popularity of the show is the only thing that will make anyone buy it.

> you
> just slag me off
> and bang on about law suits .........

I was already being generous for not taking you to task for spamming
your creation in a PPC support NG!

However, I was actually taking issue with your use of the word
"legitimate." How many software authors write "illegitimate" code?
I've never seen a program described as "legitimate", which was ironic
considering you pinched a popular TV Game show as your source material..

I think "legitimate," paired with the DOND screenshots on your site
were meant to imply this was somehow a "sanctioned" game, and you're
acting innocent now that you've been taken to task. You're too smart
not to know that's a copyright infringement.


> >Per your website:
> >"Cost is £5.00 UK GBP for both programs."
> >So what percentage of that fiver goes to Endemol?
>
> I've dropped the price to £2.99

Enjoy it while you can, my friend. And keep EXCELLENT records of the
sales. When Endemol sends you the cease and desist letter, they'll
likely demand an accounting of all of your sales and accept that
figure in lieu of suing you.


> If I made it free as freeware I bet you'd download the b&%£$*d

Actually I'm not much of a fan of the show. There are several free
online versions of DOND available that I already choose not to waste
my limited free time with!


Hey- I'm a capitalist. If Endemol doesn't shut you down, I wish you
luck selling it. But for the love of God, don't be an idiot- change
the name and take the pictures off your website! Do you think the
guy who wrote the shareware game "Yacht" for the PPC didn't KNOW the
popular dice game is really called "Yachtzee?" I assume he had better
things to do than respond to lawyers' letters from Milton-Bradley, and
named it vaguely enough to slip under the radar...

If you called it "Guess the Case" and said it "plays like the popular
TV Game Show" everyone would know what you meant, and Endemol
wouldn't come looking for you.

Rest assured, like most companies with valuable intellectual property
to protect, they've probably got guys on their payroll who do nothing
but search the web looking for copyright violations! I suspect
they've already sent Orwell's heirs demand letters to change the name
of "Big Brother" in future printings of '1984'! ;-)


But, despite your innocent act, I suspect you already knew all that.
I suspect we won't hear from you again until you come back hawking
your new "legitimate" 'Beckham Football' game complete with website
full of action shots of the man
himself...

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:04:37 -0400, "Paul in Toronto"
<swampyfern********.com> wrote:
>> My main gripe with you personally is that you didn't, wasn't or couldn't
>> be bothered to actually evaluate my programming skills, you just slag me
>> off and bang on about law suits .........
It be the program ever written but if it violates copyrights then
it violates copyrights and is not a legal program. .

Maybe you need to read up on the concept of copyrights.

No matter how elegant/slick/well designed/etc. it still violates
copyright.


>
>He didn't slag you off. He pointed out the very real possibility that you
>could get sued by a large company for stealing their liscenced property.
>You don't have the rights to use their name or the content of the show.
>What you're doing is no different then photocopying a novel, changing the
>cover and selling it as your own. It's somewhat less than legal, if you
>catch my drift.
Have you noticed all the DOND mechandise in stores? The company that
puts that merchandise out probably has the liscense to produce
DOND on the ppc.

Even if they don't actually produce it they still own the rights.
Rights that were bought from the owner.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:27:34 -0600, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>Enjoy it while you can, my friend. And keep EXCELLENT records of the
>sales. When Endemol sends you the cease and desist letter, they'll
>likely demand an accounting of all of your sales and accept that
>figure in lieu of suing you.
If you're lucky.....you may end up paying damages far in excess
of the revenue you've generated, not to mention the possibility
of going to jail.

What part of illegal do you not comprehend?

>Actually I'm not much of a fan of the show. There are several free
>online versions of DOND available that I already choose not to waste
>my limited free time with!
BTW, I hate the show and wouldn't waste my time even if they paid
me to play it.

>If you called it "Guess the Case" and said it "plays like the popular
>TV Game Show" everyone would know what you meant, and Endemol
>wouldn't come looking for you.
Close enough that the lawyers may still smell blood.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:06:23 -0400, "Paul in Toronto"
<swampyfern********.com> wrote:

>
>"janette ducharme" <janetteNO SPAMducharme******.com> wrote in message
>news:su09d3df2qlbp2g5o06hegqerjhcl36nlj@4ax.com.. .
>
>> Talk to your law makers.
>
>I'm sure Parliament would take his request to change the country's copyright
>laws very seriously...

They probably won't but this usenet group is the wrong place to bitch
about the laws. I don't make them, so go pound sand instead of
slammming people on this newsgroup about the laws.

At 29 Aug 2007 14:27:24 -0400 janette ducharme wrote:

> If you're lucky.....you may end up paying damages far in excess
> of the revenue you've generated, not to mention the possibility
> of going to jail.
>
> What part of illegal do you not comprehend?


Being that the OP is an individual and an amateur, I doubt they'd be
too hard on him, particularly if he complies with their demands. If
he were a professional developer they'd probably get nastier.


> >If you called it "Guess the Case" and said it "plays like the
> > popular
> > TV Game Show" everyone would know what you meant, and Endemol
> >wouldn't come looking for you.
>
> Close enough that the lawyers may still smell blood.

I doubt they'd pay too much attention. There are a lot of "close
enough" products that slip under the radar. There are even a few
unlicensed online DOND flash-based games that haven't been shutdown
yet.

I agree they COULD shut the OP down even if he changed the name and
pulled all the stills and TV references from his site, but I doubt
they'd
bother.



--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

"taximania" <bazza@NOSPAMtaximania.co.uk> wrote in message
news:46d479ff$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
> news:7RVAi.11559$lJ2.5329@fe089.usenetserver.com.. .
>> At 28 Aug 2007 08:16:06 +0100 taximania wrote:
>>
>> You tread a fine line when you pinch material from a copyrighted
>> program.

> I've emailed Endemol and Channel4, let's see if they can be arsed to
> reply. I asked them to make me an offer for the sole copyright of my
> software.
>

Channel4 have Emailed me back.
<Qoute:>
Thank you for contacting Channel 4 Viewer Enquiries regarding DEAL OR NO
DEAL.

For this particular query you would need to contact the production company
who are responsible for DEAL OR NO DEAL.

Their details are as follows -

ENDEMOL WEST
Unit 7
Central Trading Estate
Bath Road
Bristol
BS4 3EH

Kind regards,
Kara Waters
Channel 4 Viewer Enquiries
</Qoute:>

Endemol have not replied to my email yet, so I have wrote to them.

<Qoute:>
Dear Sir / Madam,
Could you please pass this on to someone who is
in a position to grant my wishes.

I have developed a 'Deal or no Deal' game for the Pocket Pc based handheld
computer. There is also a version for normal Pc's. I wish to sell this game
from my personal website and on E-bay. What I would like is the permission
from Endemol to sell the game under the name of 'Deal or no Deal'.

I am not an employee of a gaming company or software house. It's just a
small application I wrote in my spare time.

Alternatively, would Endemol be interested in the game code. A demo of both
versions of the 'de-branded' game can be found on my website.

www.taximania.net

I'm almost 100% sure the game is not yet available on a Pocket Pc, until
now. I doubt it is going to sell by the million ;-) so my intention is to
sell it at £2.99 as shareware.

Thanks for your time.
</Qoute:>

I've still not received 1 comment in this thread about the actual program
:-(