If Microsoft says that Win 7 will run just fine on 1 GB why don't they
install it (instead of Starter Edition) on netbooks?

Bob

"Starter Edition" IS Windows 7.


Bob Newman wrote:
> If Microsoft says that Win 7 will run just fine on 1 GB why don't they
> install it (instead of Starter Edition) on netbooks?
>
> Bob
>
>

"Bob Newman" <bobnewman@cox.net> wrote in news:cV4Gm.40366$cL1.12721
@newsfe20.iad:

> If Microsoft says that Win 7 will run just fine on 1 GB why don't they
> install it (instead of Starter Edition) on netbooks?
>
> Bob
>
>
>

Do you need an answer to that question?.....(c;]

Ah, I didn't think so.....

--
Larry

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CB313580A94Bnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
> "Bob Newman" <bobnewman@cox.net> wrote in news:cV4Gm.40366$cL1.12721
> @newsfe20.iad:
>
>> If Microsoft says that Win 7 will run just fine on 1 GB why don't they
>> install it (instead of Starter Edition) on netbooks?
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>
> Do you need an answer to that question?.....(c;]
>
> Ah, I didn't think so.....
>
> --
> Larry
>

Yes I need an answer. Let me rephrase. Why do most of the netbooks come
with a "crippled" version of Windows 7 when Microsoft says they are fully
capable of running the standard, basic version they put in other, let's call
them "economical" computers. Is it possibly a concession the computer
manufacturers make to keep netbook prices low? To my knowledge (please
correct me if I'm wrong) the "Starter" edition is found nowhere but on
netbooks.

Bob

"Bob Newman" <bobnewman@cox.net> wrote in
news:Z6mGm.178$hJ2.106@newsfe13.iad:

>
> "Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9CB313580A94Bnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
>> "Bob Newman" <bobnewman@cox.net> wrote in news:cV4Gm.40366$cL1.12721
>> @newsfe20.iad:
>>
>>> If Microsoft says that Win 7 will run just fine on 1 GB why don't
>>> they install it (instead of Starter Edition) on netbooks?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Do you need an answer to that question?.....(c;]
>>
>> Ah, I didn't think so.....
>>
>> --
>> Larry
>>
>
> Yes I need an answer. Let me rephrase. Why do most of the netbooks
> come with a "crippled" version of Windows 7 when Microsoft says they
> are fully capable of running the standard, basic version they put in
> other, let's call them "economical" computers. Is it possibly a
> concession the computer manufacturers make to keep netbook prices low?
> To my knowledge (please correct me if I'm wrong) the "Starter"
> edition is found nowhere but on netbooks.
>
> Bob
>
>
>

The obvious answer is to make the crippled version run at an acceptable
speed on slower equipment with so little memory to run it on. The
crippled version leaves a few hundred megabytes of RAM available for the
user's apps, without which I suppose sales would soon be zero when the
buyers wised up!

The other possibility, of course, is to prevent netbooks from becoming a
replacement for the laptop beasts that are so profitable. It doesn't
take a rocket scientist to figure out the netbook runs anything off the
internet not involving heavy computer, what 99% of it, just as fast as a
superlaptop that costs 5 times as much and gobbles whatever battery you
buy in an hour or so, rendering the beast pretty useless as a portable
device away from AC power. The big laptops remind me of my luggable
Compaq XT Portable that looked like a sewing machine and had to be
plugged in for its miserable 90 watt power supply to run. $2,495.00 at
Sears Business Center, Jacksonville, FL. I had to fight two university
professors trying to steal it away from me....(c;] Sears only had 3,
the total number of Compac portables in North Florida for months!

The reason they're STILL only coming with 1GB is becoming more obvious,
now that we've moved away from blaming Micro$oft that it was part of the
deal for using XP, not Vista. 1GB will slow down the netbook and reduce
these cheap computers' competition for much more expensive glitzy models
that aren't selling well at all.

After spending a couple of hours playing with a brand new, untouched
Nokia 3G netbook with the little "Tiny Vista7", my name for the new
netbook OS, not theirs, I'd tell everyone to treat the ****ed hobbled up
thing like the PLAGUE! I'm reading too much about corporate control
from RIAA, MPAA, bigtime corporate software houses, etc.....plus, in
this case, Nokia's slavery to AT&T Wireless on the 2 year
contract....YECCH!

What are we, Crazy?!


--
Larry

In news:Z6mGm.178$hJ2.106@newsfe13.iad,
Bob Newman typed on Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:34:11 -0500:
> "Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9CB313580A94Bnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
>> "Bob Newman" <bobnewman@cox.net> wrote in news:cV4Gm.40366$cL1.12721
>> @newsfe20.iad:
>>
>>> If Microsoft says that Win 7 will run just fine on 1 GB why don't
>>> they install it (instead of Starter Edition) on netbooks?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Do you need an answer to that question?.....(c;]
>>
>> Ah, I didn't think so.....
>>
>> --
>> Larry
>>
>
> Yes I need an answer. Let me rephrase. Why do most of the netbooks
> come with a "crippled" version of Windows 7 when Microsoft says they
> are fully capable of running the standard, basic version they put in
> other, let's call them "economical" computers. Is it possibly a
> concession the computer manufacturers make to keep netbook prices
> low? To my knowledge (please correct me if I'm wrong) the "Starter"
> edition is found nowhere but on netbooks.

Hello Bob! Yes you nailed it. As Windows 7 Starter is offered for much
less to license. Thus this makes netbook manufactures happy, as they can
offer Windows 7 netbooks at a reduced cost. Those netbook users who
wants the more expensive versions of Windows 7 and finds the Starter
version as too limited, are offered inexpensive upgrade path (Windows
Anytime Upgrade).

http://jkontherun.com/2009/08/02/win...n-begin-at-80/

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

Re: "Why do most of the netbooks come with a "crippled" version of
Windows 7 when Microsoft says they are fully capable of running the
standard, basic version they put in other, let's call them "economical"
computers."

You know the answer.

Because of the price of the netbooks themselves (sometimes as low as
$199), MS has to offer an OS at much less than the normal price for a
"full" OS (and yes, the fact that the netbooks could use "free" Linux IS
a factor). But they can't let the netbooks have "full functionality"
for that price. So the have to create an OS version that can be sold
into that market, but which will still leave incentive to upgrade or buy
a more feature-rich product, and which won't compete with the
full-feature products sold at higher prices.

Re: "To my knowledge (please correct me if I'm wrong) the "Starter"
edition is found nowhere but on netbooks."

You are wrong on that one. Starter edition is also offered on low-end
PCs (conventional desktops and laptops) in some parts of the world which
are far more price sensitive than the US. This includes parts of
Africa, South America and Asia. However, as far as I know, in terms of
the US and European markets, starter edition is only offered on Netbooks.

Bob Newman wrote:
> "Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
>
> Yes I need an answer. Let me rephrase. Why do most of the netbooks come
> with a "crippled" version of Windows 7 when Microsoft says they are fully
> capable of running the standard, basic version they put in other, let's call
> them "economical" computers. Is it possibly a concession the computer
> manufacturers make to keep netbook prices low? To my knowledge (please
> correct me if I'm wrong) the "Starter" edition is found nowhere but on
> netbooks.
>
> Bob
>
>

Re: "Those netbook users who wants the more expensive versions of
Windows 7 and finds the Starter version as too limited, are offered
inexpensive upgrade path (Windows Anytime Upgrade)."

The "Windows Anytime Upgrade" is not an inexpensive upgrade path. In
fact, in many cases, the cost of an "anytime" upgrade is more than 80%
of the cost of just buying a copy of the edition being upgraded to. It
is, in my view, an OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive upgrade path.


BillW50 wrote:
>
> Hello Bob! Yes you nailed it. As Windows 7 Starter is offered for much
> less to license. Thus this makes netbook manufactures happy, as they can
> offer Windows 7 netbooks at a reduced cost. Those netbook users who
> wants the more expensive versions of Windows 7 and finds the Starter
> version as too limited, are offered inexpensive upgrade path (Windows
> Anytime Upgrade).
>
> http://jkontherun.com/2009/08/02/win...n-begin-at-80/
>

Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:hcfn6r$qag$1
@news.eternal-september.org:

> Because of the price of the netbooks themselves (sometimes as low as
> $199), MS has to offer an OS at much less than the normal price for a
> "full" OS (and yes, the fact that the netbooks could use "free" Linux IS
> a factor). But they can't let the netbooks have "full functionality"
> for that price. So the have to create an OS version that can be sold
> into that market, but which will still leave incentive to upgrade or buy
> a more feature-rich product, and which won't compete with the
> full-feature products sold at higher prices.
>
>

So. What's missin'? Is what's missin' the stuff no netbook will ever use,
namely Windows NT server functions?

--
Larry

http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu/unr
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR
http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbuntu/download-netbook

Of course, Tiny Vista 6.1 isn't written specifically for the netbooks,
their Atom processors and their Atom chipset configuration because it runs
on Cheap Desktop PCs.....so it will never run like Ubuntu Netbook Remix
which is, with a lot of research and in conjunction with the hardware
designers....

This is the REAL upgrade....(c;]

In news:hcfn6r$qag$1@news.eternal-september.org,
Barry Watzman typed on Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:52:19 -0400:
> Re: "Why do most of the netbooks come with a "crippled" version of
> Windows 7 when Microsoft says they are fully capable of running the
> standard, basic version they put in other, let's call them
> "economical" computers."
>
> You know the answer.
>
> Because of the price of the netbooks themselves (sometimes as low as
> $199), MS has to offer an OS at much less than the normal price for a
> "full" OS (and yes, the fact that the netbooks could use "free" Linux
> IS a factor). But they can't let the netbooks have "full
> functionality" for that price. So the have to create an OS version
> that can be sold into that market, but which will still leave
> incentive to upgrade or buy a more feature-rich product, and which
> won't compete with the full-feature products sold at higher prices.
>
> Re: "To my knowledge (please correct me if I'm wrong) the "Starter"
> edition is found nowhere but on netbooks."
>
> You are wrong on that one. Starter edition is also offered on low-end
> PCs (conventional desktops and laptops) in some parts of the world
> which are far more price sensitive than the US. This includes parts
> of Africa, South America and Asia. However, as far as I know, in
> terms of the US and European markets, starter edition is only offered
> on Netbooks.

Hi Barry! You are confusing the Windows 7 Starter with Windows 7 Home
Basic. As Windows 7 Home Basic "is available in emerging markets such as
Bangladesh, Brazil, People's Republic of China, India, Indonesia,
Mexico, Pakistan, the Philippines, and Thailand. It is not available in
countries such as Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Ireland,
Japan, The Netherlands, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, New Zealand,
the United States, and the United Kingdom. Some Aero options are
excluded along with several new features."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

In news:hcfnbv$qag$2@news.eternal-september.org,
Barry Watzman typed on :
> Re: "Those netbook users who wants the more expensive versions of
> Windows 7 and finds the Starter version as too limited, are offered
> inexpensive upgrade path (Windows Anytime Upgrade)."
>
> The "Windows Anytime Upgrade" is not an inexpensive upgrade path. In
> fact, in many cases, the cost of an "anytime" upgrade is more than 80%
> of the cost of just buying a copy of the edition being upgraded to. It
> is, in my view, an OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive upgrade path.

Really Barry? Windows 7 Starter costs 40 bucks and anytime cost 80
bucks. Which equals 120 bucks, which is the cost for Home Premium. So
you are getting two versions for the price of one.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2

There were a number of postings which described, in detail, exactly what
was missing. At one time, there was a restriction that only 3 programs
could be open at once (but OS functions didn't count, and multiple
instances of the same program (for example multiple firefox browsers)
only counted as one), however I seem to recall that this was dropped.
Some of the missing items were things you would want (want; not
necessarily need). You'd have to find a current list to be sure (there
probably is such a list on the MS web site).


Larry wrote:
> Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:hcfn6r$qag$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Because of the price of the netbooks themselves (sometimes as low as
>> $199), MS has to offer an OS at much less than the normal price for a
>> "full" OS (and yes, the fact that the netbooks could use "free" Linux IS
>> a factor). But they can't let the netbooks have "full functionality"
>> for that price. So the have to create an OS version that can be sold
>> into that market, but which will still leave incentive to upgrade or buy
>> a more feature-rich product, and which won't compete with the
>> full-feature products sold at higher prices.
>>
>>
>
> So. What's missin'? Is what's missin' the stuff no netbook will ever use,
> namely Windows NT server functions?
>

Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:

>There were a number of postings which described, in detail, exactly what
>was missing [from the Starter Edition].

There is a chart at the bottom of this page that will give some
answers to this question. Unknown on accuracy though. BTW I just got
home from my local Walmart and 2 of the 3 netbooks for sale there had
the Starter Edition. The third was XP.

AJL <339@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

>Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>There were a number of postings which described, in detail, exactly what
>>was missing [from the Starter Edition].
>
>There is a chart at the bottom of this page that will give some
>answers to this question. Unknown on accuracy though. BTW I just got
>home from my local Walmart and 2 of the 3 netbooks for sale there had
>the Starter Edition. The third was XP.

Sorry, forgot to include the page...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions

Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:

>There were a number of postings which described, in detail, exactly what
>was missing [from the Starter Edition].

There is a chart at the bottom of this page that will give some
answers to this question. Unknown on accuracy though. BTW I just got
home from my local Walmart and 2 of the 3 netbooks for sale there had
the Starter Edition. The third was XP.