In news:hbb4er$po7$3@news.eternal-september.org,
Barry Watzman typed on Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:51:34 -0400:
> Keep in mind that XP probably has model specific drivers installed
> which don't yet exist for Windows 7. Including power management
> drivers. MANY laptops are showing horrible results with Windows 7 ...
> UNTIL the proper (model specific) drivers are installed.

I don't doubt that. But the only driver problems I have is switching
problems between the internal and external screens. And I won't hold my
breath in hoping that it would be ever fixed.

On a side note, my Asus EeePC comes with drivers that supposedly work
from Windows 98 to Vista.

> Larry wrote:
>> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in news:hbak86$s10$1@news.eternal-
>> september.org:
>>
>>> I do have Windows 7 on one of them. It might be just me and that
>>> slow MLC SSD, but Windows 7 is just too slow for me on a netbook.
>>> Using 50% of the CPU at idle. While Windows XP is very quick and
>>> uses less than 5% at idle. Thus allowing 95% for your applications.
>>> While Windows 7 only leaves 50% of the CPU for applications.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Wow! Didn't know it was THAT bad.....marking that off the wishlist.
>>
>> XP and Ubuntu Netbook Remix .....a great combination on netbooks.
>> http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu/unr

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2

In news:hbc8gg$dre$1@news.eternal-september.org,
~misfit~ typed on Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:06:52 +1300:
> My 2004 (5 year old) 14" IBM ThinkPad R40 1.6GHz Pentium M has 2GB of
> RAM in it and has approximately 1.5 x the processing power of an Atom
> 270. I wouldn't swap it for *two* new netbooks.

I would and have already. Many experts said the same as you Shaun. And
they believed there wouldn't be any market for netbooks at all. That all
changed when Asus started selling them by the millions. Now it seems
like everybody is jumping on the netbook revolution. It just takes some
people longer than others. ;-)

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2

In news:0c3id517498a04tue64r2dgssbbkg6uht8@4ax.com,
me@privacy.net typed on Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:19:33 -0500:
> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> I use netbooks as my main computer all of the time.
>
> I do so as well
>
> No problems here!

Pretty amazing that you can be practically as efficient with a 20 watt
supply as you are with a 450 watt supply. ;-)

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:45:11 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:0c3id517498a04tue64r2dgssbbkg6uht8@4ax.com,
>me@privacy.net typed on Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:19:33 -0500:
>> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>>
>>> I use netbooks as my main computer all of the time.
>>
>> I do so as well
>>
>> No problems here!
>
>Pretty amazing that you can be practically as efficient with a 20 watt
>supply as you are with a 450 watt supply. ;-)

Perhaps the netbook at work consumes less power in total than the big iron loses
because of its power conversion losses...
--
How a sect kills YOUR children

http://www.pharmamafia.com

Barry--I was planning to upgrade my Lenovo X200 (business Vista) to
Windows 7 when it comes out. You mention a lack of proper drivers--
and where might I go to find those model specific drivers--Lenovo?
Many thanks
Mahl

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:51:34 -0400, Barry Watzman
<WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:

>Keep in mind that XP probably has model specific drivers installed which
>don't yet exist for Windows 7. Including power management drivers.
>MANY laptops are showing horrible results with Windows 7 ... UNTIL the
>proper (model specific) drivers are installed.
>
>
>Larry wrote:
>> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in news:hbak86$s10$1@news.eternal-
>> september.org:
>>
>>> I do have Windows 7 on one of them. It might be just me and that slow
>>> MLC SSD, but Windows 7 is just too slow for me on a netbook. Using 50%
>>> of the CPU at idle. While Windows XP is very quick and uses less than 5%
>>> at idle. Thus allowing 95% for your applications. While Windows 7 only
>>> leaves 50% of the CPU for applications.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Wow! Didn't know it was THAT bad.....marking that off the wishlist.
>>
>> XP and Ubuntu Netbook Remix .....a great combination on netbooks.
>> http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu/unr
>>
>>
>>

"~misfit~" <sore_n_happy******.com.au> wrote:

>My 2004 (5 year old) 14" IBM ThinkPad R40 1.6GHz Pentium M has 2GB of RAM in
>it and has approximately 1.5 x the processing power of an Atom 270. I

How do you measure this?

Or is it just a guess?

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>> I do so as well
>>
>> No problems here!
>
>Pretty amazing that you can be practically as efficient with a 20 watt
>supply as you are with a 450 watt supply. ;-)
>
>--

Yep!

For the bulk of people who just surf the Net, write
some docs, do some programming..... the Atom is just
fine

In article <Xns9CA7306E25CEnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:hbb4er$po7$3
>@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Keep in mind that XP probably has model specific drivers installed which
>> don't yet exist for Windows 7. Including power management drivers.
>> MANY laptops are showing horrible results with Windows 7 ... UNTIL the
>> proper (model specific) drivers are installed.
>>
>
>Keep in mind Win7 will be in "user beta test" until at LEAST 2012 when the
>world is supposed to come to its end, according to the fundies.

That's one way of looking at it.
A more realistic way, perhaps, is that Win7 is really Vista SP3, so it's
actually been out of beta for a couple of years now.

It's a matter of intended use.

For some uses (travel being one), netbooks are wonderful.

For other uses, they are inadequate, although they may not be absolutely
incapable of getting the job done.


BillW50 wrote:
> In news:hbc8gg$dre$1@news.eternal-september.org,
> ~misfit~ typed on Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:06:52 +1300:
>> My 2004 (5 year old) 14" IBM ThinkPad R40 1.6GHz Pentium M has 2GB of
>> RAM in it and has approximately 1.5 x the processing power of an Atom
>> 270. I wouldn't swap it for *two* new netbooks.
>
> I would and have already. Many experts said the same as you Shaun. And
> they believed there wouldn't be any market for netbooks at all. That all
> changed when Asus started selling them by the millions. Now it seems
> like everybody is jumping on the netbook revolution. It just takes some
> people longer than others. ;-)
>

Yes, the laptop manufacturer. Which may or may not offer them (from the
manufacturer's perspective, they don't want you to upgrade, they want
you to buy a new laptop).

Mahlon Wagner wrote:
> Barry--I was planning to upgrade my Lenovo X200 (business Vista) to
> Windows 7 when it comes out. You mention a lack of proper drivers--
> and where might I go to find those model specific drivers--Lenovo?
> Many thanks
> Mahl
>

I don't know how he measured it, but there are benchmark programs
available for that purpose, and Intel as well as tech web sites publish
benchmarks of CPUs that allow comparisons (e.g. a "Core 2 Duo ?.??GHz
vs. an Atom 270). Most of "processing power" is just a function of the
CPU although there are slight impacts from the chipset and memory. For
some applications, graphics power as well as processing power is
significant.

me@privacy.net wrote:
> "~misfit~" <sore_n_happy******.com.au> wrote:
>
>> My 2004 (5 year old) 14" IBM ThinkPad R40 1.6GHz Pentium M has 2GB of RAM in
>> it and has approximately 1.5 x the processing power of an Atom 270. I
>
> How do you measure this?
>
> Or is it just a guess?

Barry Watzman wrote on Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:47:21 -0400:
> It's a matter of intended use.
>
> For some uses (travel being one), netbooks are wonderful.
>
> For other uses, they are inadequate, although they may not be absolutely
> incapable of getting the job done.

On the contrary, I often connect up my netbooks to an external monitor,
keyboard, and mouse and most people wouldn't even know that they were
using a netbook at all. That is why I believe these things are great. As
they can act like a desktop, laptop, netbook, PDA, MP3 player, video
player, security camera, etc. There is just no way my desktop can
compete with my netbooks. ;-)

> BillW50 wrote:
>> In news:hbc8gg$dre$1@news.eternal-september.org,
>> ~misfit~ typed on Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:06:52 +1300:
>>> My 2004 (5 year old) 14" IBM ThinkPad R40 1.6GHz Pentium M has 2GB of
>>> RAM in it and has approximately 1.5 x the processing power of an Atom
>>> 270. I wouldn't swap it for *two* new netbooks.
>>
>> I would and have already. Many experts said the same as you Shaun. And
>> they believed there wouldn't be any market for netbooks at all. That
>> all changed when Asus started selling them by the millions. Now it
>> seems like everybody is jumping on the netbook revolution. It just
>> takes some people longer than others. ;-)

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03)

Barry Watzman wrote on Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:51:10 -0400:
> Yes, the laptop manufacturer. Which may or may not offer them (from the
> manufacturer's perspective, they don't want you to upgrade, they want
> you to buy a new laptop).

Don't forget to check the OEM too for drivers if the laptop manufacture
fails to have them. Also with luck, Windows might already have them
build in. As Windows 7 had most of the drivers for both my Gateway
laptops and my Asus netbooks.

> Mahlon Wagner wrote:
>> Barry--I was planning to upgrade my Lenovo X200 (business Vista) to
>> Windows 7 when it comes out. You mention a lack of proper drivers--
>> and where might I go to find those model specific drivers--Lenovo?
>> Many thanks
>> Mahl
>>

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03)

Somewhere on teh intarwebs me@privacy.net wrote:
> "~misfit~" <sore_n_happy******.com.au> wrote:
>
>> My 2004 (5 year old) 14" IBM ThinkPad R40 1.6GHz Pentium M has 2GB
>> of RAM in it and has approximately 1.5 x the processing power of an
>> Atom 270. I
>
> How do you measure this?
>
> Or is it just a guess?

I measured it using a utility called CPUMark. As the name would suggest, it
benchmarks the CPU.
--
Shaun.

"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.

Somewhere on teh intarwebs BillW50 wrote:
> In news:hbc8gg$dre$1@news.eternal-september.org,
> ~misfit~ typed on Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:06:52 +1300:
>> My 2004 (5 year old) 14" IBM ThinkPad R40 1.6GHz Pentium M has 2GB of
>> RAM in it and has approximately 1.5 x the processing power of an Atom
>> 270. I wouldn't swap it for *two* new netbooks.
>
> I would and have already.

Good for you.

> Many experts said the same as you Shaun.

What did I say?

> And
> they believed there wouldn't be any market for netbooks at all.

I've never believed that. In fact I predicted that they'd take off long
before they ever actually shipped. How is it that you have all this
inaccurate information about me?

> That
> all changed when Asus started selling them by the millions. Now it
> seems like everybody is jumping on the netbook revolution.

"Just seems" is right. Do you have figures? I know quite a few people who
bought them (and thus would contribute to these figures) as a third or
fourth machine. I know others (with more disposable income than I) who
bought one out of curiousity. Of all the people I know who bought netbooks
maybe 30% of them use them more often than they use their main machine. I
don't know anyone who subsequently got rid of their main machines.

> It just
> takes some people longer than others. ;-)

Does implying that I'm slow give you gratification? Yeah, I can see the
smiley but I see you do this a lot, infer less-than-flattering things about
people and hide behind a smiley. I'll have you know that I'm very
cutting-edge. I was talking about netbooks in some computer groups I
frequent long before most had heard of them, even before they were
available.

You are the exception Bill, (albeit a very loud, very evangelical one)
rather than the rule. As I said, most people I know who've bought netbooks
either did it for a specific (secondary) purpose where size *is* important
or they've relegated them to the shelf.

If they're so popular how come there isn't a comp.sys.netbook? (And if there
is WTF are you doing here?)
--
Shaun.

"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.