On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:38:58 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:gopcb5dcntj3fstggflgo9ur29gq9n897n@4ax.com,
>RnR typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:39:50 -0500:
>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:15:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>>
>>> In news:mqncb5l1vj7g93cngbjorvgab7nkt9ku3o@4ax.com,
>>> Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0200:
>>>> It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to
>>>> another OS, because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only a
>>>> matter of some key-clicks to make the transition from one of the
>>>> installed OSes to an other.
>>>
>>> It depends on the machine. Some machines it is very easy to swap
>>> drives in and out. And I do it all of the time. And I never had a
>>> single problem yet. Great for verifying that your backups *really*
>>> can restore without touching the original drive. Or playing around
>>> with another OS, or hacking away with your current OS and not
>>> worrying about corrupting anything. Beta testing, etc. It is really
>>> great, you should try it on machines that this is made easy.
>>
>> Prefer to use vmware to do this.... no swapping, easy to recreate
>> drives(i have xp and win7 drives currently). Cost isn't really a
>> factor since both cost (vmware vs. hd). The thing that sells me on
>> YOUR idea is "safety" not testing. All drives fail eventually so I
>> like the idea of having a spare drive.
>
>Sounds nice. But isn't there performance and hardware issues?


I haven't noticed any issues on my older core2duo E1405 laptop. I've
multitasked in xp with no issues at all. Of course there are some
system requirements but they appear to be modest by today's standards.
I am running now with 2gb ram in this laptop.
http://pubs.vmware.com/ws65_ace25/ws...ysreqs_ws.html

In news:3r3db5hikmll45md8opomf4c3kqkju136v@4ax.com,
RnR typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:25:06 -0500:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:38:58 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> In news:gopcb5dcntj3fstggflgo9ur29gq9n897n@4ax.com,
>> RnR typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:39:50 -0500:
>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:15:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In news:mqncb5l1vj7g93cngbjorvgab7nkt9ku3o@4ax.com,
>>>> Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0200:
>>>>> It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to
>>>>> another OS, because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only
>>>>> a matter of some key-clicks to make the transition from one of the
>>>>> installed OSes to an other.
>>>>
>>>> It depends on the machine. Some machines it is very easy to swap
>>>> drives in and out. And I do it all of the time. And I never had a
>>>> single problem yet. Great for verifying that your backups *really*
>>>> can restore without touching the original drive. Or playing around
>>>> with another OS, or hacking away with your current OS and not
>>>> worrying about corrupting anything. Beta testing, etc. It is really
>>>> great, you should try it on machines that this is made easy.
>>>
>>> Prefer to use vmware to do this.... no swapping, easy to recreate
>>> drives(i have xp and win7 drives currently). Cost isn't really a
>>> factor since both cost (vmware vs. hd). The thing that sells me on
>>> YOUR idea is "safety" not testing. All drives fail eventually so I
>>> like the idea of having a spare drive.
>>
>> Sounds nice. But isn't there performance and hardware issues?
>
>
> I haven't noticed any issues on my older core2duo E1405 laptop. I've
> multitasked in xp with no issues at all. Of course there are some
> system requirements but they appear to be modest by today's standards.
> I am running now with 2gb ram in this laptop.
>
http://pubs.vmware.com/ws65_ace25/ws...ysreqs_ws.html

There was a time I needed to run different OS, but that was along time
ago. I do compare versions from time to time, but I use multiple
computers sometimes too. For example, I have 4 laptops and 4 netbooks
right here at my desk. So I don't know what vmware would do for me,
except using up more disk space. See what I mean?

--
Bill
Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195)
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

On 9/20/2009 7:51 AM PT, BillW50 typed:

>> XP is ****. If you change the memory size, of even if memory fails
>> the WGA Nazidom shows up.
>
> I have heard of this but I have never seen it myself. Although I only
> use non-WGA copies of Windows XP. Why did you purchase a WGA one?

How can you tell which one has WGA and none when buying XP? I thought
WGA was only through updaters. I assume Vista and 7 will complain too
when memory size change. Another reason why I avoid Vista and 7.
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In news:1c2dnZPP2fHaPyvXnZ2dnUVZ_jdi4p2d@earthlink.co m,
Ant typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:44:39 -0700:
> On 9/20/2009 7:51 AM PT, BillW50 typed:
>
>>> XP is ****. If you change the memory size, of even if memory fails
>>> the WGA Nazidom shows up.
>>
>> I have heard of this but I have never seen it myself. Although I only
>> use non-WGA copies of Windows XP. Why did you purchase a WGA one?
>
> How can you tell which one has WGA and none when buying XP? I thought
> WGA was only through updaters. I assume Vista and 7 will complain too
> when memory size change. Another reason why I avoid Vista and 7.

Well all retail versions of XP has WGA as far as I know. So stay away
from them. And some OEM versions like from Gateway and Asus as far as I
know does not. I am sure there are other manufactures that does not. I
guess just ask around.

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2

Happy Oyster wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:23:31 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> That is BS. Just plain BS.
>>
>> WGA looks at 10 different items. AT LEAST 3 of them must change before
>> you have to reactivate, and on most machines, if the NIC card
>> (specifically the MAC address of the NIC card) has not changed, seven of
>> the ten things have to change before you have to reactivate.
>
> Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN the mess shows
> up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb, and I consider even the idea of it as utmost
> criminal.
>
>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>
>>> XP is ****. If you change the memory size, of even if memory fails the WGA
>>> Nazidom shows up.

So don't use Windows... Ben Myers

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:43:00 -0400, Ben Myers <ben_myers@charter.net> wrote:

>Happy Oyster wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:23:31 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That is BS. Just plain BS.
>>>
>>> WGA looks at 10 different items. AT LEAST 3 of them must change before
>>> you have to reactivate, and on most machines, if the NIC card
>>> (specifically the MAC address of the NIC card) has not changed, seven of
>>> the ten things have to change before you have to reactivate.
>>
>> Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN the mess shows
>> up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb, and I consider even the idea of it as utmost
>> criminal.
>>
>>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>>
>>>> XP is ****. If you change the memory size, of even if memory fails the WGA
>>>> Nazidom shows up.
>
>So don't use Windows... Ben Myers

WINE does not handle everything, I'm afraid.

And Reactos still is peculiar toy.
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ihres Zeltes Gast zu sein. * Jael gab ihm Milch zu trinken.
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hatte dieser Schutz gesucht. * nagelt sie Sisera tot."
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Why don't you just come out and admit that you hate MS and their
products, instead of making up crap?

Re: "Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN
the mess shows up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb"

*** NOT IF YOU DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING ***

Microsoft only implemented PA & WGA because of the extent of piracy.
None of us "likes it", but when you are being robbed, you have a right
to install alarms and locks. Neither PA nor WGA has ever caused me a
real problem, and I am professionally involved with hundreds of PC.


Happy Oyster wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:23:31 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> That is BS. Just plain BS.
>>
>> WGA looks at 10 different items. AT LEAST 3 of them must change before
>> you have to reactivate, and on most machines, if the NIC card
>> (specifically the MAC address of the NIC card) has not changed, seven of
>> the ten things have to change before you have to reactivate.
>
> Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN the mess shows
> up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb, and I consider even the idea of it as utmost
> criminal.
>
>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>
>>> XP is ****. If you change the memory size, of even if memory fails the WGA
>>> Nazidom shows up.

Bill, obviously it does vary by model. But he's right to the extent
that, in general, there is NO access to the CMOS battery in laptops
other than major (MAJOR) disassembly, at least down to the motherboard
(e.g. split the case), and quite often remove the motherboard because
it's on the bottom of the motherboard with no access panel. THAT is the
"norm"; any provision for easy access is the exception.
Nothwithstanding that we agree that not providing easy access is stupid.


BillW50 wrote:
> In news:540db55omrds2ng7ejllp6iss7sna01i2s@4ax.com,
> Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:24:16 +0200:
>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:14:47 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh give me a break! I am not talking about total disassembly. I am
>>> talking about a tiny trap door on the bottom of the netbook/laptop.
>>> Geez!
>> There is none! The whole bottom plate must be taken off. The bottom
>> part of the enclosure has several plastic springs and one has to be
>> an octopus to press them all simultaneously...
>
> That is yours, not true of mine. <vbg>
>

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:09:00 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
wrote:

>Why don't you just come out and admit that you hate MS and their
>products, instead of making up crap?

There is a hole in your logic. Nobody hates M$ because it is a company. People
hate M$ for the crimes it commits and for the crap it forces onto public.


>Re: "Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN
>the mess shows up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb"
>
>*** NOT IF YOU DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING ***

There, again, is a hole in your logic.

People are sometimes in a situation, where they cannot do anything else but
change parameters in the hardware

It is not only hardware, but also software which is messing up. This means that
a failure of RAM or other things could trigger the WGA trap AND some software
could make changes in the parameters, this way also triggering the WGA trap.


>Microsoft only implemented PA & WGA because of the extent of piracy.

The poor company which produces crap, is so poor because the crap is pirated.
All those who pirate that stuff are NOT simple pirates. MANY are so fed up by
the crimes of M$ that it is their right to copy. The price tag of a software
package is in no way correlated to the damage it causes its users. MANY have
bought stuff from M$, and lost a fortune because of the mess this software
caused.


>None of us "likes it", but when you are being robbed, you have a right
>to install alarms and locks. Neither PA nor WGA has ever caused me a
>real problem, and I am professionally involved with hundreds of PC.

I am one of the really sharp dogs concerning copyright. Worked for that more
than a quarter of a century. BUT a manufacturer does not only have rights, he
also has duties. M$ does NOT fulfill its duties.


>Happy Oyster wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:23:31 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That is BS. Just plain BS.
>>>
>>> WGA looks at 10 different items. AT LEAST 3 of them must change before
>>> you have to reactivate, and on most machines, if the NIC card
>>> (specifically the MAC address of the NIC card) has not changed, seven of
>>> the ten things have to change before you have to reactivate.
>>
>> Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN the mess shows
>> up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb, and I consider even the idea of it as utmost
>> criminal.
>>
>>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>>
>>>> XP is ****. If you change the memory size, of even if memory fails the WGA
>>>> Nazidom shows up.
--
"Jael lud Sisera ein, * Ließ sich auf das Lager sinken,
ihres Zeltes Gast zu sein. * Jael gab ihm Milch zu trinken.
Vor dem Feinde auf der Flucht, * Später ohne große Not
hatte dieser Schutz gesucht. * nagelt sie Sisera tot."
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Happy Oyster wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:43:00 -0400, Ben Myers <ben_myers@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:23:31 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is BS. Just plain BS.
>>>>
>>>> WGA looks at 10 different items. AT LEAST 3 of them must change before
>>>> you have to reactivate, and on most machines, if the NIC card
>>>> (specifically the MAC address of the NIC card) has not changed, seven of
>>>> the ten things have to change before you have to reactivate.
>>> Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN the mess shows
>>> up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb, and I consider even the idea of it as utmost
>>> criminal.
>>>
>>>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> XP is ****. If you change the memory size, of even if memory fails the WGA
>>>>> Nazidom shows up.
>> So don't use Windows... Ben Myers
>
> WINE does not handle everything, I'm afraid.
>
> And Reactos still is peculiar toy.

Then use Windows XP and quit complaining about using it on a computer
ill-suited to dual boot. There's a lot I do not like about XP either,
but I have to survive and communicate with people in the real world, 90%
of whom use Windows... Ben

I neither think that they produce crap nor do I think that they have
committed crimes.


Happy Oyster wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:09:00 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Why don't you just come out and admit that you hate MS and their
>> products, instead of making up crap?
>
> There is a hole in your logic. Nobody hates M$ because it is a company. People
> hate M$ for the crimes it commits and for the crap it forces onto public.
>
>
>> Re: "Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN
>> the mess shows up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb"
>>
>> *** NOT IF YOU DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING ***
>
> There, again, is a hole in your logic.
>
> People are sometimes in a situation, where they cannot do anything else but
> change parameters in the hardware
>
> It is not only hardware, but also software which is messing up. This means that
> a failure of RAM or other things could trigger the WGA trap AND some software
> could make changes in the parameters, this way also triggering the WGA trap.
>
>
>> Microsoft only implemented PA & WGA because of the extent of piracy.
>
> The poor company which produces crap, is so poor because the crap is pirated.
> All those who pirate that stuff are NOT simple pirates. MANY are so fed up by
> the crimes of M$ that it is their right to copy. The price tag of a software
> package is in no way correlated to the damage it causes its users. MANY have
> bought stuff from M$, and lost a fortune because of the mess this software
> caused.
>
>
>> None of us "likes it", but when you are being robbed, you have a right
>> to install alarms and locks. Neither PA nor WGA has ever caused me a
>> real problem, and I am professionally involved with hundreds of PC.
>
> I am one of the really sharp dogs concerning copyright. Worked for that more
> than a quarter of a century. BUT a manufacturer does not only have rights, he
> also has duties. M$ does NOT fulfill its duties.
>
>
>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:23:31 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is BS. Just plain BS.
>>>>
>>>> WGA looks at 10 different items. AT LEAST 3 of them must change before
>>>> you have to reactivate, and on most machines, if the NIC card
>>>> (specifically the MAC address of the NIC card) has not changed, seven of
>>>> the ten things have to change before you have to reactivate.
>>> Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN the mess shows
>>> up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb, and I consider even the idea of it as utmost
>>> criminal.
>>>
>>>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> XP is ****. If you change the memory size, of even if memory fails the WGA
>>>>> Nazidom shows up.

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:15:57 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
wrote:

>I neither think that they produce crap nor do I think that they have
>committed crimes.

Then you have not seen much of M$, didn't you?


>Happy Oyster wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:09:00 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why don't you just come out and admit that you hate MS and their
>>> products, instead of making up crap?
>>
>> There is a hole in your logic. Nobody hates M$ because it is a company. People
>> hate M$ for the crimes it commits and for the crap it forces onto public.
>>
>>
>>> Re: "Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN
>>> the mess shows up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb"
>>>
>>> *** NOT IF YOU DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING ***
>>
>> There, again, is a hole in your logic.
>>
>> People are sometimes in a situation, where they cannot do anything else but
>> change parameters in the hardware
>>
>> It is not only hardware, but also software which is messing up. This means that
>> a failure of RAM or other things could trigger the WGA trap AND some software
>> could make changes in the parameters, this way also triggering the WGA trap.
>>
>>
>>> Microsoft only implemented PA & WGA because of the extent of piracy.
>>
>> The poor company which produces crap, is so poor because the crap is pirated.
>> All those who pirate that stuff are NOT simple pirates. MANY are so fed up by
>> the crimes of M$ that it is their right to copy. The price tag of a software
>> package is in no way correlated to the damage it causes its users. MANY have
>> bought stuff from M$, and lost a fortune because of the mess this software
>> caused.
>>
>>
>>> None of us "likes it", but when you are being robbed, you have a right
>>> to install alarms and locks. Neither PA nor WGA has ever caused me a
>>> real problem, and I am professionally involved with hundreds of PC.
>>
>> I am one of the really sharp dogs concerning copyright. Worked for that more
>> than a quarter of a century. BUT a manufacturer does not only have rights, he
>> also has duties. M$ does NOT fulfill its duties.
>>
>>
>>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:23:31 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That is BS. Just plain BS.
>>>>>
>>>>> WGA looks at 10 different items. AT LEAST 3 of them must change before
>>>>> you have to reactivate, and on most machines, if the NIC card
>>>>> (specifically the MAC address of the NIC card) has not changed, seven of
>>>>> the ten things have to change before you have to reactivate.
>>>> Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN the mess shows
>>>> up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb, and I consider even the idea of it as utmost
>>>> criminal.
>>>>
>>>>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> XP is ****. If you change the memory size, of even if memory fails the WGA
>>>>>> Nazidom shows up.
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On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:11:35 -0400, Ben Myers <ben_myers@charter.net> wrote:

>Happy Oyster wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:43:00 -0400, Ben Myers <ben_myers@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:23:31 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That is BS. Just plain BS.
>>>>>
>>>>> WGA looks at 10 different items. AT LEAST 3 of them must change before
>>>>> you have to reactivate, and on most machines, if the NIC card
>>>>> (specifically the MAC address of the NIC card) has not changed, seven of
>>>>> the ten things have to change before you have to reactivate.
>>>> Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN the mess shows
>>>> up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb, and I consider even the idea of it as utmost
>>>> criminal.
>>>>
>>>>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> XP is ****. If you change the memory size, of even if memory fails the WGA
>>>>>> Nazidom shows up.
>>> So don't use Windows... Ben Myers
>>
>> WINE does not handle everything, I'm afraid.
>>
>> And Reactos still is peculiar toy.
>
>Then use Windows XP and quit complaining about using it on a computer
>ill-suited to dual boot. There's a lot I do not like about XP either,
>but I have to survive and communicate with people in the real world, 90%
>of whom use Windows... Ben

Why should I? If there is reason to complain (and there IS reason!), then I do
it.
--
Gott läßt Israeliten 12000 Bewohner von Ai umbringen
(Das Buch Josua, Kap. 8) *** http://www.reimbibel.de ***
"Sein Kriegsgott sprach zu Josua: * Bereite einen Hinterhalt
'Nun geht es weiter, ist doch klar. * und mach die Leut von Ai kalt.'"

Happy Oyster wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:11:35 -0400, Ben Myers <ben_myers@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:43:00 -0400, Ben Myers <ben_myers@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:23:31 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That is BS. Just plain BS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WGA looks at 10 different items. AT LEAST 3 of them must change before
>>>>>> you have to reactivate, and on most machines, if the NIC card
>>>>>> (specifically the MAC address of the NIC card) has not changed, seven of
>>>>>> the ten things have to change before you have to reactivate.
>>>>> Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN the mess shows
>>>>> up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb, and I consider even the idea of it as utmost
>>>>> criminal.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> XP is ****. If you change the memory size, of even if memory fails the WGA
>>>>>>> Nazidom shows up.
>>>> So don't use Windows... Ben Myers
>>> WINE does not handle everything, I'm afraid.
>>>
>>> And Reactos still is peculiar toy.
>> Then use Windows XP and quit complaining about using it on a computer
>> ill-suited to dual boot. There's a lot I do not like about XP either,
>> but I have to survive and communicate with people in the real world, 90%
>> of whom use Windows... Ben
>
> Why should I? If there is reason to complain (and there IS reason!), then I do
> it.

Well, at least support your complaints with verifiable facts... Ben

In news:h96gbb$jh5$2@news.eternal-september.org,
Barry Watzman typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:11:21 -0400:
> Bill, obviously it does vary by model. But he's right to the extent
> that, in general, there is NO access to the CMOS battery in laptops
> other than major (MAJOR) disassembly, at least down to the motherboard
> (e.g. split the case), and quite often remove the motherboard because
> it's on the bottom of the motherboard with no access panel. THAT is
> the "norm"; any provision for easy access is the exception.
> Nothwithstanding that we agree that not providing easy access is
> stupid.

We are not talking about CMOS batteries, but SSD drives in netbooks.
Some like mine are easy to swap out and some like Aribert are harder to
swap out. He buys the hard ones and complains and I buy the easy ones
and couldn't be happier. <vbg>

> BillW50 wrote:
>> In news:540db55omrds2ng7ejllp6iss7sna01i2s@4ax.com,
>> Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:24:16 +0200:
>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:14:47 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Oh give me a break! I am not talking about total disassembly. I am
>>>> talking about a tiny trap door on the bottom of the netbook/laptop.
>>>> Geez!
>>> There is none! The whole bottom plate must be taken off. The bottom
>>> part of the enclosure has several plastic springs and one has to be
>>> an octopus to press them all simultaneously...
>>
>> That is yours, not true of mine. <vbg>

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2