On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:51:00 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:h5abb5dbn06aeib7l29dr2cha4hhdhl4dg@4ax.com,
>Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:01:45 +0200:
>> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:53:28 -0400, Ben Myers <ben_myers@charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> There is a really simple solution to a Windows-Linux dual boot
>>>>> problem. Two hard drives... Ben Myers
>>>>
>>>> IF you are able to install a second drive. But in a netbook you do
>>>> not have this choice.
>>
>>> Sure you have a choice. Remove one drive and pop in a second one...
>>> Ben
>>
>> I am only talking about the things built-in.
>
>Why are you buying non-removable drives in netbooks and then complaining
>about them? I have two Asus EeePC 702 and I swap out the SSD drives all
>of the time. And each one has a different OS on them.

Well, if one turns out the screw at the bottom part of the computer, one finds
that there are PLASTIC springs, which are very fragile. The springs have to be
bent that the bottom cover can be taken off.

After the bottom cover is taken off, the HDD can be exchanged.

Do exchange a HDD EACH TIME brings the high risk of breaking one or more of the
plastic springs. Also, I would like to mention, that it is not very wise to
exchange disks whilst out of the house. At least, I asssume, the ordinary user
does not carry his workshop equipment with him to take apart his computer.

To say more about that would go beyond satire...
--
"Syrer besetzten die Städte,
frevelten dort um die Wette.
Wollten von Jahwe nichts wissen,
wurden von Löwen zerrissen." http://www.reimbibel.de

In news:etkcb5t8a64hsfekdomv5lueer7fe5vr47@4ax.com,
Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:13:13 +0200:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:51:00 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> In news:h5abb5dbn06aeib7l29dr2cha4hhdhl4dg@4ax.com,
>> Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:01:45 +0200:
>>> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:53:28 -0400, Ben Myers
>>> <ben_myers@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> There is a really simple solution to a Windows-Linux dual boot
>>>>>> problem. Two hard drives... Ben Myers
>>>>>
>>>>> IF you are able to install a second drive. But in a netbook you do
>>>>> not have this choice.
>>>
>>>> Sure you have a choice. Remove one drive and pop in a second
>>>> one... Ben
>>>
>>> I am only talking about the things built-in.
>>
>> Why are you buying non-removable drives in netbooks and then
>> complaining about them? I have two Asus EeePC 702 and I swap out the
>> SSD drives all of the time. And each one has a different OS on them.
>
> Well, if one turns out the screw at the bottom part of the computer,
> one finds that there are PLASTIC springs, which are very fragile. The
> springs have to be bent that the bottom cover can be taken off.
>
> After the bottom cover is taken off, the HDD can be exchanged.
>
> Do exchange a HDD EACH TIME brings the high risk of breaking one or
> more of the plastic springs. Also, I would like to mention, that it
> is not very wise to exchange disks whilst out of the house. At least,
> I asssume, the ordinary user does not carry his workshop equipment
> with him to take apart his computer.
>
> To say more about that would go beyond satire...

So what kind of netbook is this? My Asus 702s can easily be changed over
and over again. I would guess it should be able to handle 100,000
changes or more. Takes about 30 seconds. My Gateway laptops, I can swap
hard drives in less than 5 seconds. As I have spare carriers and I leave
the screws out. I could leave the screws out of my netbooks too (and the
trap door stays put well without screws) and then they can be swapped
out much faster too.

--
Bill
Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195)
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:26:50 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:etkcb5t8a64hsfekdomv5lueer7fe5vr47@4ax.com,
>Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:13:13 +0200:
>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:51:00 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>>
>>> In news:h5abb5dbn06aeib7l29dr2cha4hhdhl4dg@4ax.com,
>>> Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:01:45 +0200:
>>>> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:53:28 -0400, Ben Myers
>>>> <ben_myers@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a really simple solution to a Windows-Linux dual boot
>>>>>>> problem. Two hard drives... Ben Myers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IF you are able to install a second drive. But in a netbook you do
>>>>>> not have this choice.
>>>>
>>>>> Sure you have a choice. Remove one drive and pop in a second
>>>>> one... Ben
>>>>
>>>> I am only talking about the things built-in.
>>>
>>> Why are you buying non-removable drives in netbooks and then
>>> complaining about them? I have two Asus EeePC 702 and I swap out the
>>> SSD drives all of the time. And each one has a different OS on them.
>>
>> Well, if one turns out the screw at the bottom part of the computer,
>> one finds that there are PLASTIC springs, which are very fragile. The
>> springs have to be bent that the bottom cover can be taken off.
>>
>> After the bottom cover is taken off, the HDD can be exchanged.
>>
>> Do exchange a HDD EACH TIME brings the high risk of breaking one or
>> more of the plastic springs. Also, I would like to mention, that it
>> is not very wise to exchange disks whilst out of the house. At least,
>> I asssume, the ordinary user does not carry his workshop equipment
>> with him to take apart his computer.
>>
>> To say more about that would go beyond satire...
>
>So what kind of netbook is this? My Asus 702s can easily be changed over
>and over again. I would guess it should be able to handle 100,000
>changes or more. Takes about 30 seconds. My Gateway laptops, I can swap
>hard drives in less than 5 seconds. As I have spare carriers and I leave
>the screws out. I could leave the screws out of my netbooks too (and the
>trap door stays put well without screws) and then they can be swapped
>out much faster too.


It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to another OS,
because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only a matter of some
key-clicks to make the transition from one of the installed OSes to an other.
--
"Syrer besetzten die Städte,
frevelten dort um die Wette.
Wollten von Jahwe nichts wissen,
wurden von Löwen zerrissen." http://www.reimbibel.de

In news:mqncb5l1vj7g93cngbjorvgab7nkt9ku3o@4ax.com,
Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0200:
> It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to
> another OS, because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only a
> matter of some key-clicks to make the transition from one of the
> installed OSes to an other.

It depends on the machine. Some machines it is very easy to swap drives
in and out. And I do it all of the time. And I never had a single
problem yet. Great for verifying that your backups *really* can restore
without touching the original drive. Or playing around with another OS,
or hacking away with your current OS and not worrying about corrupting
anything. Beta testing, etc. It is really great, you should try it on
machines that this is made easy.

--
Bill
Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195)
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:15:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:mqncb5l1vj7g93cngbjorvgab7nkt9ku3o@4ax.com,
>Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0200:
>> It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to
>> another OS, because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only a
>> matter of some key-clicks to make the transition from one of the
>> installed OSes to an other.
>
>It depends on the machine. Some machines it is very easy to swap drives
>in and out. And I do it all of the time. And I never had a single
>problem yet. Great for verifying that your backups *really* can restore
>without touching the original drive. Or playing around with another OS,
>or hacking away with your current OS and not worrying about corrupting
>anything. Beta testing, etc. It is really great, you should try it on
>machines that this is made easy.


Prefer to use vmware to do this.... no swapping, easy to recreate
drives(i have xp and win7 drives currently). Cost isn't really a
factor since both cost (vmware vs. hd). The thing that sells me on
YOUR idea is "safety" not testing. All drives fail eventually so I
like the idea of having a spare drive.

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:15:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:mqncb5l1vj7g93cngbjorvgab7nkt9ku3o@4ax.com,
>Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0200:
>> It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to
>> another OS, because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only a
>> matter of some key-clicks to make the transition from one of the
>> installed OSes to an other.
>
>It depends on the machine. Some machines it is very easy to swap drives
>in and out. And I do it all of the time. And I never had a single
>problem yet. Great for verifying that your backups *really* can restore
>without touching the original drive. Or playing around with another OS,
>or hacking away with your current OS and not worrying about corrupting
>anything. Beta testing, etc. It is really great, you should try it on
>machines that this is made easy.

Srewing up a machine is easy. To repair it, not.

A lot of computer have parts, which are made to break when the computer is taken
apart. Laymen do not know about the construction of these traps, and it is not
wise to take such risks.
--
"Jael lud Sisera ein, * Ließ sich auf das Lager sinken,
ihres Zeltes Gast zu sein. * Jael gab ihm Milch zu trinken.
Vor dem Feinde auf der Flucht, * Später ohne große Not
hatte dieser Schutz gesucht. * nagelt sie Sisera tot."
** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** http://www.reimbibel.de

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:39:50 -0500, RnR <rnrtexas******.com> wrote:

>Prefer to use vmware to do this.... no swapping, easy to recreate
>drives(i have xp and win7 drives currently). Cost isn't really a
>factor since both cost (vmware vs. hd). The thing that sells me on
>YOUR idea is "safety" not testing. All drives fail eventually so I
>like the idea of having a spare drive.

YUP! Greetings from a VM! ;O)
--
"Jael lud Sisera ein, * Ließ sich auf das Lager sinken,
ihres Zeltes Gast zu sein. * Jael gab ihm Milch zu trinken.
Vor dem Feinde auf der Flucht, * Später ohne große Not
hatte dieser Schutz gesucht. * nagelt sie Sisera tot."
** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** http://www.reimbibel.de

In news:pspcb5tbvrcpdnrkh7j1qlvjtbo99ejv94@4ax.com,
Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:42:08 +0200:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:15:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> In news:mqncb5l1vj7g93cngbjorvgab7nkt9ku3o@4ax.com,
>> Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0200:
>>> It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to
>>> another OS, because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only a
>>> matter of some key-clicks to make the transition from one of the
>>> installed OSes to an other.
>>
>> It depends on the machine. Some machines it is very easy to swap
>> drives in and out. And I do it all of the time. And I never had a
>> single problem yet. Great for verifying that your backups *really*
>> can restore without touching the original drive. Or playing around
>> with another OS, or hacking away with your current OS and not
>> worrying about corrupting anything. Beta testing, etc. It is really
>> great, you should try it on machines that this is made easy.
>
> Srewing up a machine is easy. To repair it, not.
>
> A lot of computer have parts, which are made to break when the
> computer is taken apart. Laymen do not know about the construction of
> these traps, and it is not wise to take such risks.

Not a problem for an electronic engineer like me. As I take mine apart
all of the time to modify and improve the design. Although changing the
hard drive in my Gateway laptops are very easy to do. Easier than
swapping the battery actually.

My Asus 702s and swapping out the SSD requires working with four or two
1x4mm screws. Not very hard for anybody who can change out the RAM in a
laptop. Here is a video of a Chinese girl swapping out a SSD and it
takes her like 4 minutes. She isn't very fast, but you get the idea
anyway. <vbg>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdm9iNtbhAg

--
Bill
Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195)
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

In news:gopcb5dcntj3fstggflgo9ur29gq9n897n@4ax.com,
RnR typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:39:50 -0500:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:15:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> In news:mqncb5l1vj7g93cngbjorvgab7nkt9ku3o@4ax.com,
>> Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0200:
>>> It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to
>>> another OS, because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only a
>>> matter of some key-clicks to make the transition from one of the
>>> installed OSes to an other.
>>
>> It depends on the machine. Some machines it is very easy to swap
>> drives in and out. And I do it all of the time. And I never had a
>> single problem yet. Great for verifying that your backups *really*
>> can restore without touching the original drive. Or playing around
>> with another OS, or hacking away with your current OS and not
>> worrying about corrupting anything. Beta testing, etc. It is really
>> great, you should try it on machines that this is made easy.
>
> Prefer to use vmware to do this.... no swapping, easy to recreate
> drives(i have xp and win7 drives currently). Cost isn't really a
> factor since both cost (vmware vs. hd). The thing that sells me on
> YOUR idea is "safety" not testing. All drives fail eventually so I
> like the idea of having a spare drive.

Sounds nice. But isn't there performance and hardware issues?

--
Bill
Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195)
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

Happy Oyster wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:15:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> In news:mqncb5l1vj7g93cngbjorvgab7nkt9ku3o@4ax.com,
>> Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0200:
>>> It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to
>>> another OS, because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only a
>>> matter of some key-clicks to make the transition from one of the
>>> installed OSes to an other.
>> It depends on the machine. Some machines it is very easy to swap drives
>> in and out. And I do it all of the time. And I never had a single
>> problem yet. Great for verifying that your backups *really* can restore
>> without touching the original drive. Or playing around with another OS,
>> or hacking away with your current OS and not worrying about corrupting
>> anything. Beta testing, etc. It is really great, you should try it on
>> machines that this is made easy.
>
> Srewing up a machine is easy. To repair it, not.
>
> A lot of computer have parts, which are made to break when the computer is taken
> apart. Laymen do not know about the construction of these traps, and it is not
> wise to take such risks.

Well spoken wisdom, Jedi!

I've found that manufacturers' laptop service manuals explain all the
traps. I've had no problem taking apart a laptop if I have a good
service manual. Usually that means Dells and Lenovos (IBMs) are easy to
repair. HPaq laptops would be easy to repair if the designs weren't so
****ed complicated, as I can generally find service manuals for them.
HPaq laptops do not have built in traps, just inordinately complicated
disassembly-assembly, and really really really flimsy plastic parts.

So any layman who wants to repair his/her own laptop should consider
doing so if he/she has the right service manual, a small flat-headed
screw driver and a small Philips head screwdriver. Otherwise, no.

.... Ben Myers

In news:h95ud5$i9$1@news.eternal-september.org,
Ben Myers typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:05:07 -0400:
> Happy Oyster wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:15:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In news:mqncb5l1vj7g93cngbjorvgab7nkt9ku3o@4ax.com,
>>> Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0200:
>>>> It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to
>>>> another OS, because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only a
>>>> matter of some key-clicks to make the transition from one of the
>>>> installed OSes to an other.
>>> It depends on the machine. Some machines it is very easy to swap
>>> drives in and out. And I do it all of the time. And I never had a
>>> single problem yet. Great for verifying that your backups *really*
>>> can restore without touching the original drive. Or playing around
>>> with another OS, or hacking away with your current OS and not
>>> worrying about corrupting anything. Beta testing, etc. It is really
>>> great, you should try it on machines that this is made easy.
>>
>> Srewing up a machine is easy. To repair it, not.
>>
>> A lot of computer have parts, which are made to break when the
>> computer is taken apart. Laymen do not know about the construction
>> of these traps, and it is not wise to take such risks.
>
> Well spoken wisdom, Jedi!
>
> I've found that manufacturers' laptop service manuals explain all the
> traps. I've had no problem taking apart a laptop if I have a good
> service manual. Usually that means Dells and Lenovos (IBMs) are easy
> to repair. HPaq laptops would be easy to repair if the designs
> weren't so ****ed complicated, as I can generally find service
> manuals for them. HPaq laptops do not have built in traps, just
> inordinately complicated disassembly-assembly, and really really
> really flimsy plastic parts.
>
> So any layman who wants to repair his/her own laptop should consider
> doing so if he/she has the right service manual, a small flat-headed
> screw driver and a small Philips head screwdriver. Otherwise, no.
>
> ... Ben Myers

Oh give me a break! I am not talking about total disassembly. I am
talking about a tiny trap door on the bottom of the netbook/laptop.
Geez!

--
Bill
Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195)
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

That is BS. Just plain BS.

WGA looks at 10 different items. AT LEAST 3 of them must change before
you have to reactivate, and on most machines, if the NIC card
(specifically the MAC address of the NIC card) has not changed, seven of
the ten things have to change before you have to reactivate.


Happy Oyster wrote:

>
> XP is ****. If you change the memory size, of even if memory fails the WGA
> Nazidom shows up.

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:14:47 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>Oh give me a break! I am not talking about total disassembly. I am
>talking about a tiny trap door on the bottom of the netbook/laptop.
>Geez!

There is none! The whole bottom plate must be taken off. The bottom part of the
enclosure has several plastic springs and one has to be an octopus to press them
all simultaneously...
--
"Jael lud Sisera ein, * Ließ sich auf das Lager sinken,
ihres Zeltes Gast zu sein. * Jael gab ihm Milch zu trinken.
Vor dem Feinde auf der Flucht, * Später ohne große Not
hatte dieser Schutz gesucht. * nagelt sie Sisera tot."
** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** http://www.reimbibel.de

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:23:31 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com>
wrote:

>That is BS. Just plain BS.
>
>WGA looks at 10 different items. AT LEAST 3 of them must change before
>you have to reactivate, and on most machines, if the NIC card
>(specifically the MAC address of the NIC card) has not changed, seven of
>the ten things have to change before you have to reactivate.

Anyway, if you are out on the job, in the middle of nowhere, THEN the mess shows
up. The WGA stuff is a timebomb, and I consider even the idea of it as utmost
criminal.

>Happy Oyster wrote:
>
>>
>> XP is ****. If you change the memory size, of even if memory fails the WGA
>> Nazidom shows up.
--
"Jael lud Sisera ein, * Ließ sich auf das Lager sinken,
ihres Zeltes Gast zu sein. * Jael gab ihm Milch zu trinken.
Vor dem Feinde auf der Flucht, * Später ohne große Not
hatte dieser Schutz gesucht. * nagelt sie Sisera tot."
** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** http://www.reimbibel.de

In news:540db55omrds2ng7ejllp6iss7sna01i2s@4ax.com,
Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:24:16 +0200:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:14:47 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> Oh give me a break! I am not talking about total disassembly. I am
>> talking about a tiny trap door on the bottom of the netbook/laptop.
>> Geez!
>
> There is none! The whole bottom plate must be taken off. The bottom
> part of the enclosure has several plastic springs and one has to be
> an octopus to press them all simultaneously...

That is yours, not true of mine. <vbg>

--
Bill
Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195)
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC