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| Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems A mate of mine asked me to look at his Tosh lappy but I don't normally touch laptops so I'm flying a bit blind so to speak. First thing I should say is that the battery is knackered so all this is with the laptop running on AC mains power. Out of 25 attempts, it's only successfully booted into Windows (XP Home) just 3 times. When it does boot into Windows, as soon as it gets past the blue "Welcome" screen and things begin to load, there's a constant beeping sound. Doesn't matter what you do - could be in Word typing a letter; could be looking at photographs; could be on the internet or whatever, the bleeping constantly goes on at a rate of 1 bleep per second. Everything seems to work OK once booted, apart from the bleeping. On the 22 ocassions it failed to boot into Windows, almost immediately after pressing the power button, there is just a black screen with the phrase "Set default value? (Y/N)" at the top left, and "BIOS V1.40" at the top right - pressing the Y or N keys has no effect whatsoever and nothing else happens no matter what keys you press or how long you leave it. I've tried all the usual ways of getting into the BIOS (Del; F2; F1; F8 etc) and can't get in. I have a copy of Hiren's Boot Disc and tried to boot from that CD but it won't. I tried setting the CD drive as the first boot device in the Toshiba HW Utility from within Windows and also tried hitting F12 on bootup but it will not boot from CD and I can't get in the BIOS. One thing I noticed while in Windows was that the system clock wouldn't hold the correct time, which I think points to a dead RTC or BIOS battery. Anyone confirm that and give any pointers as to how I should proceed? Thanks |
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| Re: Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems Bill Alty wrote: <Stuff about bootup problems> > > Thanks > > This may help:- http://askiris.toshiba.com/ToshibaTC...200%2086900054 Sorry about the long line. You may need to cut and paste. It's a link to an article on Toshiba's website describing a way round your problem. If you go here:- http://support.toshiba.ca/support/te...echSupport.asp And follow the links to your model, there is a download available to make a DOS boot diskette which will let you access the BIOS setup, assuming you have the floppy drive that came with the unit when new.. From what you describe, you either have a dead RTC battery or corrupted CMOS settings. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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| Re: Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems In news:7do7g0F2c10nvU1@mid.individual.net, Bill Alty typed on Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:37:04 +0100: > A mate of mine asked me to look at his Tosh lappy but I don't > normally touch laptops so I'm flying a bit blind so to speak. First > thing I should say is that the battery is knackered so all this is > with the laptop running on AC mains power. > > Out of 25 attempts, it's only successfully booted into Windows (XP > Home) just 3 times. When it does boot into Windows, as soon as it > gets past the blue "Welcome" screen and things begin to load, there's > a constant beeping sound. Doesn't matter what you do - could be in > Word typing a letter; could be looking at photographs; could be on > the internet or whatever, the bleeping constantly goes on at a rate > of 1 bleep per second. Everything seems to work OK once booted, apart > from the bleeping. > > On the 22 ocassions it failed to boot into Windows, almost > immediately after pressing the power button, there is just a black > screen with the phrase "Set default value? (Y/N)" at the top left, > and "BIOS V1.40" at the top right - pressing the Y or N keys has no > effect whatsoever and nothing else happens no matter what keys you > press or how long you leave it. > > I've tried all the usual ways of getting into the BIOS (Del; F2; F1; > F8 etc) and can't get in. I have a copy of Hiren's Boot Disc and > tried to boot from that CD but it won't. I tried setting the CD drive > as the first boot device in the Toshiba HW Utility from within > Windows and also tried hitting F12 on bootup but it will not boot > from CD and I can't get in the BIOS. > > One thing I noticed while in Windows was that the system clock > wouldn't hold the correct time, which I think points to a dead RTC or > BIOS battery. Anyone confirm that and give any pointers as to how I > should proceed? > > Thanks Yup, weak BIOS/RTC battery. It's a rechargeable Ni-MH Battery (Toshiba Part# P000268840). And I don't know about this model, but some models of Toshiba only charge the RTC battery if the screen is lit. So that is what I would do, power on the laptop and as long as the screen is lit, let it sit for 12 to 24 hours. If the battery is still good, it will recharge. If not, they look like this: http://www.impactcomputers.com/p000268840.html -- Bill Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195) Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC |
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| Re: Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems John Williamson wrote: > Bill Alty wrote: > <Stuff about bootup problems> >> >> Thanks >> >> > This may help:- > > http://askiris.toshiba.com/ToshibaTC...200%2086900054 > > Sorry about the long line. You may need to cut and paste. It's a link > to an article on Toshiba's website describing a way round your > problem. > If you go here:- > > http://support.toshiba.ca/support/te...echSupport.asp > > And follow the links to your model, there is a download available to > make a DOS boot diskette which will let you access the BIOS setup, > assuming you have the floppy drive that came with the unit when new.. > > From what you describe, you either have a dead RTC battery or > corrupted CMOS settings. Thanks John. Unfortunately, there's no floppy drive in the laptop and even if there were, it seems that the answer is about halfway down the page of the first link you gave, which says: <quote> Q. I Cannot enter BIOS in the Satellite 5000/5100/5200 Series: A. In this series you cannot enter the BIOS. You must use the Toshiba Utilities (HWSetup) within Windows to make any changes. </quote> What an absolutely stupid situation where you can't enter the BIOS!!!! Thanks for your help anyway, my friend. Bill |
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| Re: Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems BillW50 wrote: > In news:7do7g0F2c10nvU1@mid.individual.net, > Bill Alty typed on Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:37:04 +0100: >> A mate of mine asked me to look at his Tosh lappy but I don't >> normally touch laptops so I'm flying a bit blind so to speak. First >> thing I should say is that the battery is knackered so all this is >> with the laptop running on AC mains power. >> >> Out of 25 attempts, it's only successfully booted into Windows (XP >> Home) just 3 times. When it does boot into Windows, as soon as it >> gets past the blue "Welcome" screen and things begin to load, there's >> a constant beeping sound. Doesn't matter what you do - could be in >> Word typing a letter; could be looking at photographs; could be on >> the internet or whatever, the bleeping constantly goes on at a rate >> of 1 bleep per second. Everything seems to work OK once booted, apart >> from the bleeping. >> >> On the 22 ocassions it failed to boot into Windows, almost >> immediately after pressing the power button, there is just a black >> screen with the phrase "Set default value? (Y/N)" at the top left, >> and "BIOS V1.40" at the top right - pressing the Y or N keys has no >> effect whatsoever and nothing else happens no matter what keys you >> press or how long you leave it. >> >> I've tried all the usual ways of getting into the BIOS (Del; F2; F1; >> F8 etc) and can't get in. I have a copy of Hiren's Boot Disc and >> tried to boot from that CD but it won't. I tried setting the CD drive >> as the first boot device in the Toshiba HW Utility from within >> Windows and also tried hitting F12 on bootup but it will not boot >> from CD and I can't get in the BIOS. >> >> One thing I noticed while in Windows was that the system clock >> wouldn't hold the correct time, which I think points to a dead RTC or >> BIOS battery. Anyone confirm that and give any pointers as to how I >> should proceed? >> >> Thanks > > Yup, weak BIOS/RTC battery. It's a rechargeable Ni-MH Battery (Toshiba > Part# P000268840). And I don't know about this model, but some models > of Toshiba only charge the RTC battery if the screen is lit. So that > is what I would do, power on the laptop and as long as the screen is > lit, let it sit for 12 to 24 hours. If the battery is still good, it > will recharge. If not, they look like this: > > http://www.impactcomputers.com/p000268840.html Ah, thanks very much Bill. I'll give it a try and we'll see what happens :o) Bill |
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| Re: Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems This could be many things. Among them: -Bad hard drive -Bad memory -Bad motherboard -Overheating due to dirty CPU cooling system -Bad BIOS Although the CMOS battery may be bad, on Toshiba laptops that normally won't prevent more-or-less normal booting. To get into the BIOS on Toshiba laptops, you either hold down Escape while turning on the power (and continue holding it until you see a message), or you press the F2 key immediately after turning the machine on. My fear is that it is the motherboard itself, but it's hard to say, and since that's the worst possible outcome, I'd explore the others first. Bill Alty wrote: > A mate of mine asked me to look at his Tosh lappy but I don't normally touch > laptops so I'm flying a bit blind so to speak. First thing I should say is > that the battery is knackered so all this is with the laptop running on AC > mains power. > > Out of 25 attempts, it's only successfully booted into Windows (XP Home) > just 3 times. When it does boot into Windows, as soon as it gets past the > blue "Welcome" screen and things begin to load, there's a constant beeping > sound. Doesn't matter what you do - could be in Word typing a letter; could > be looking at photographs; could be on the internet or whatever, the > bleeping constantly goes on at a rate of 1 bleep per second. Everything > seems to work OK once booted, apart from the bleeping. > > On the 22 ocassions it failed to boot into Windows, almost immediately after > pressing the power button, there is just a black screen with the phrase "Set > default value? (Y/N)" at the top left, and "BIOS V1.40" at the top right - > pressing the Y or N keys has no effect whatsoever and nothing else happens > no matter what keys you press or how long you leave it. > > I've tried all the usual ways of getting into the BIOS (Del; F2; F1; F8 etc) > and can't get in. I have a copy of Hiren's Boot Disc and tried to boot from > that CD but it won't. I tried setting the CD drive as the first boot device > in the Toshiba HW Utility from within Windows and also tried hitting F12 on > bootup but it will not boot from CD and I can't get in the BIOS. > > One thing I noticed while in Windows was that the system clock wouldn't hold > the correct time, which I think points to a dead RTC or BIOS battery. Anyone > confirm that and give any pointers as to how I should proceed? > > Thanks > > |
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| Re: Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems A bad battery in a Toshiba normally does not cause any serious problems but does cause CMOS to be reset every time the machine is powered on. While this is annoying, it likely has nothing to do with the actual problem(s) that the OP is experiencing. John Williamson wrote: > Bill Alty wrote: > <Stuff about bootup problems> > From what you describe, you either have a dead RTC battery or corrupted > CMOS settings. > |
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| Re: Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems I service Toshiba laptops, and I believe that information is absolutely wrong. There has to be a way to get into the BIOS without an installed OS, for reasons that you seem to understand quite well. Bill Alty wrote: > > Thanks John. Unfortunately, there's no floppy drive in the laptop and even > if there were, it seems that the answer is about halfway down the page of > the first link you gave, which says: > > <quote> Q. I Cannot enter BIOS in the Satellite 5000/5100/5200 Series: > A. In this series you cannot enter the BIOS. You must use the Toshiba > Utilities (HWSetup) within Windows to make any changes. </quote> > > What an absolutely stupid situation where you can't enter the BIOS!!!! > > Thanks for your help anyway, my friend. > > Bill > > |
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| Re: Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems Bill Alty wrote: > John Williamson wrote: >> Bill Alty wrote: > Thanks John. Unfortunately, there's no floppy drive in the laptop and even > if there were, it seems that the answer is about halfway down the page of > the first link you gave, which says: > > <quote> Q. I Cannot enter BIOS in the Satellite 5000/5100/5200 Series: > A. In this series you cannot enter the BIOS. You must use the Toshiba > Utilities (HWSetup) within Windows to make any changes. </quote> > > What an absolutely stupid situation where you can't enter the BIOS!!!! > > Thanks for your help anyway, my friend. > You could try asking on japan.comp.toshiba as there are people on there who know more than I do about these machines. The floppy drive on these machines is, according to Toshiba, a USB connected device, so it may be worth trying a cheap one from Maplins to see if it will boot from that, or try making a bootable USB stick with DOS 6.0 or higher and the TSETUP.exe program on it. If you make a bootable CD with just DOS and the tsetup program on it, that may work, too. The official Toshiba part number is PA3109U-1FDD, and is listed as available for prices between ten and forty pounds sterling. The sequence to boot from CD given in the manual on the Toshiba website is to turn the machine off, press F12, turn on power with F12 pressed, and hold F12 down until the "In touch with tomorrow" screen appears. Unfortunately, just about every Toshiba machine has a different way of accessing this command, so even if you've got another Tosh and know the way in, it won't help much. Toshiba have had this way of accessing the BIOS`for a very long time now, I have a Portege 3100 which uses the same method of modifying the BIOS. Come to that, IIRC, the very first Toshiba laptop I bought, which had DOS 3.3 in ROM and a massive ten Meg HD, had a program in its version of DOS to change the BIOS`settings. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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| Re: Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:45:51 -0400, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote: :>I service Toshiba laptops, and I believe that information is absolutely :>wrong. There has to be a way to get into the BIOS without an installed :>OS, for reasons that you seem to understand quite well. :> Nope, that information is correct. I just recently retired after spending over 10 years as a senior tech at a Toshiba Premier ASP. The entire 5000 series (5000/5100/5200) are like that. The only way to change any bios settings is via a windows based utility. BTW, I own, and still use, a 5205 and even with the windows utility there are only very few things you can change. I can't check what they are right now since I installed the windows 7 rc on it for testing purposes. Other than having to use the generic vga driver for the 64mb nvidia geforce 460 go chip the performance isn't bad for a 6 1/2 year old notebook. me/2 |
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| Re: Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems Barry Watzman wrote: > I service Toshiba laptops, and I believe that information is absolutely > wrong. There has to be a way to get into the BIOS without an installed > OS, for reasons that you seem to understand quite well. > http://www.scribd.com/doc/6290813/To...s-Instructions Seems quite mad. -- Adrian C |
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| Re: Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems "Bill Alty" <nosp@mwanted.com> wrote in news:7do7g0F2c10nvU1@mid.individual.net: > A mate of mine asked me to look at his Tosh lappy but I don't normally > touch laptops so I'm flying a bit blind so to speak. First thing I > should say is that the battery is knackered so all this is with the > laptop running on AC mains power. > > Out of 25 attempts, it's only successfully booted into Windows (XP > Home) just 3 times. When it does boot into Windows, as soon as it gets > past the blue "Welcome" screen and things begin to load, there's a > constant beeping sound. Doesn't matter what you do - could be in Word > typing a letter; could be looking at photographs; could be on the > internet or whatever, the bleeping constantly goes on at a rate of 1 > bleep per second. Everything seems to work OK once booted, apart from > the bleeping. > Laptops use their batteries as a UPS. Therefore those brick power supplies are designed cheap, depending on the big battery pack to smooth things out and make pure DC for the boards. When the battery is removed or tits up, there is the possibility of the odd power line glitch, just pure hum and noise, poorly regulated power being fed to the box, which may confuse it. Take a good digital voltmeter and measure the DC voltage unloaded and loaded on the motherboard where it comes into the box. It shouldn't vary hardly at all. Carefully inspect the soldering on this power socket for any tiny hairline cracks caused by the stress put on the socket when someone kicked the plug around. Hairline cracks are noisy as hell, not to mention intermittenly putting it in charge-battery- charge-battery as the plug wiggles which will drive it crazy. Switch the dvm to AC volts and measure the hum and noise on the DC bus at this power socket. It should read only a couple of millivolts WITH THE COMPUTER RUNNING, not jumping all over the place adding this noise to the data bus data. REPLACE THE DEAD BATTERY AS IT'S DRAGGING DOWN THE POWER SUPPLY constantly trying to charge it. That should be fairly obvious. If the power is stable and the new battery pack doesn't solve the problem, you're staring at a crashed hard drive which is on the edge of failing. Laptop drives catch hell from stupid users dropping them, bumping them when they're writing to disk. They get little respect or thought. All you had to do to really screw them up was spin the laptop around while the hard drive was writing some important data. The flywheel effect on the platter(s) caused the relative motion to the head to be wrong and THAT's NOT GOOD! Oh, one more easy thing to do. Unplug the memory card(s) and plug them back in several times to wipe the crud off their gold contacts. The air INTAKE for laptops is everywhere, right against the dirty desktop by only a few mm. Laptops are like vacuum cleaners sucking dirt in with the air off the desks. The memory board is right against the air intakes in most of them, so they get dirty. DO NOT BLOW COMPRESSED AIR OVER THE STATIC SENSITIVE MOTHERBOARD OR MEMORY CARD CONTACTS! The high voltage generated in an air conditioned room like yours will destroy them! DO NOT VACUUM THEM OUT EITHER...same idea...static! Any plastic whisk broom or paint brush is also a VAN DEGRAFF STATIC GENERATOR. The equipment to blow them out is too expensive to buy, static free workstation stuff. I like a damp paper towel with me grounded to the motherboard through a proper high resistance static wriststrap. That's safer. The tiny moisture left behind evaporates in a minute, don't wet it down. the dirt sticks to the wet paper towel. Just be careful of the static generators.... -- Larry http://flightaware.com/analysis/allflights_movie.rvt Each tiny red dot is an airliner in this Quicktime movie, ONE recent day of air travel in the USA. What would happen if "they" found out this was the real source of air pollution or cancer or why all the bugs around my streetlight have disappeared? Would "they" tell us? Would "they" STOP IT?! |
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| Re: Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems The only things in the Bios screen accessible with Esc are the date/ time and password. Terry "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message news:h57bfe$693$1@news.eternal-september.org... > This could be many things. Among them: > > -Bad hard drive > -Bad memory > -Bad motherboard > -Overheating due to dirty CPU cooling system > -Bad BIOS > > Although the CMOS battery may be bad, on Toshiba laptops that normally > won't prevent more-or-less normal booting. > > To get into the BIOS on Toshiba laptops, you either hold down Escape while > turning on the power (and continue holding it until you see a message), or > you press the F2 key immediately after turning the machine on. > > My fear is that it is the motherboard itself, but it's hard to say, and > since that's the worst possible outcome, I'd explore the others first. > > > > Bill Alty wrote: >> A mate of mine asked me to look at his Tosh lappy but I don't normally >> touch laptops so I'm flying a bit blind so to speak. First thing I should >> say is that the battery is knackered so all this is with the laptop >> running on AC mains power. >> >> Out of 25 attempts, it's only successfully booted into Windows (XP Home) >> just 3 times. When it does boot into Windows, as soon as it gets past the >> blue "Welcome" screen and things begin to load, there's a constant >> beeping sound. Doesn't matter what you do - could be in Word typing a >> letter; could be looking at photographs; could be on the internet or >> whatever, the bleeping constantly goes on at a rate of 1 bleep per >> second. Everything seems to work OK once booted, apart from the bleeping. >> >> On the 22 ocassions it failed to boot into Windows, almost immediately >> after pressing the power button, there is just a black screen with the >> phrase "Set default value? (Y/N)" at the top left, and "BIOS V1.40" at >> the top right - pressing the Y or N keys has no effect whatsoever and >> nothing else happens no matter what keys you press or how long you leave >> it. >> >> I've tried all the usual ways of getting into the BIOS (Del; F2; F1; F8 >> etc) and can't get in. I have a copy of Hiren's Boot Disc and tried to >> boot from that CD but it won't. I tried setting the CD drive as the first >> boot device in the Toshiba HW Utility from within Windows and also tried >> hitting F12 on bootup but it will not boot from CD and I can't get in the >> BIOS. >> >> One thing I noticed while in Windows was that the system clock wouldn't >> hold the correct time, which I think points to a dead RTC or BIOS >> battery. Anyone confirm that and give any pointers as to how I should >> proceed? >> >> Thanks |
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| Re: Toshiba Satellite S5200-701 - boot problems Re: "Therefore those brick power supplies are designed cheap, depending on the big battery pack to smooth things out and make pure DC for the boards." That is not correct; laptops get their power, whether running on batteries or on AC, from a switching power supply inside the laptop (the laptop, like desktops, needs a variety of different voltages). Both the battery and the external AC adapter are simply inputs to this switching power supply (of course, the battery is also an "output", when it is being charged). Certainly, if you unplug the AC adapter when the computer is running on AC and has no battery, the laptop is going to die. But switching power supplies are relatively insensitive the quality of their INPUT power, as long as it is not interrupted entirely for more than about 10 to 50 milliseconds. Certainly the battery does serve as a "UPS", should their be an AC power failure, but this in no way relates to the QUALITY of the AC power failure. And, in fact, the external AC adapters are quite good switching power supplies; in most cases they are relatively simple, since they only supply a single voltage. But, again, being switching power supplies, they themselves are quite immune to QUALITY problems with their input (the AC power from the wall), again, as long as it doesn't fail completely for too long (10 to 50 milliseconds, depending on the design). Larry wrote: > "Bill Alty" <nosp@mwanted.com> wrote in > news:7do7g0F2c10nvU1@mid.individual.net: > >> A mate of mine asked me to look at his Tosh lappy but I don't normally >> touch laptops so I'm flying a bit blind so to speak. First thing I >> should say is that the battery is knackered so all this is with the >> laptop running on AC mains power. >> >> Out of 25 attempts, it's only successfully booted into Windows (XP >> Home) just 3 times. When it does boot into Windows, as soon as it gets >> past the blue "Welcome" screen and things begin to load, there's a >> constant beeping sound. Doesn't matter what you do - could be in Word >> typing a letter; could be looking at photographs; could be on the >> internet or whatever, the bleeping constantly goes on at a rate of 1 >> bleep per second. Everything seems to work OK once booted, apart from >> the bleeping. >> > > Laptops use their batteries as a UPS. Therefore those brick power > supplies are designed cheap, depending on the big battery pack to smooth > things out and make pure DC for the boards. When the battery is removed > or tits up, there is the possibility of the odd power line glitch, just > pure hum and noise, poorly regulated power being fed to the box, which > may confuse it. > > Take a good digital voltmeter and measure the DC voltage unloaded and > loaded on the motherboard where it comes into the box. It shouldn't > vary hardly at all. Carefully inspect the soldering on this power > socket for any tiny hairline cracks caused by the stress put on the > socket when someone kicked the plug around. Hairline cracks are noisy > as hell, not to mention intermittenly putting it in charge-battery- > charge-battery as the plug wiggles which will drive it crazy. Switch > the dvm to AC volts and measure the hum and noise on the DC bus at this > power socket. It should read only a couple of millivolts WITH THE > COMPUTER RUNNING, not jumping all over the place adding this noise to > the data bus data. > > REPLACE THE DEAD BATTERY AS IT'S DRAGGING DOWN THE POWER SUPPLY > constantly trying to charge it. That should be fairly obvious. > > If the power is stable and the new battery pack doesn't solve the > problem, you're staring at a crashed hard drive which is on the edge of > failing. Laptop drives catch hell from stupid users dropping them, > bumping them when they're writing to disk. They get little respect or > thought. All you had to do to really screw them up was spin the laptop > around while the hard drive was writing some important data. The > flywheel effect on the platter(s) caused the relative motion to the head > to be wrong and THAT's NOT GOOD! > > Oh, one more easy thing to do. Unplug the memory card(s) and plug them > back in several times to wipe the crud off their gold contacts. The air > INTAKE for laptops is everywhere, right against the dirty desktop by > only a few mm. Laptops are like vacuum cleaners sucking dirt in with > the air off the desks. The memory board is right against the air > intakes in most of them, so they get dirty. DO NOT BLOW COMPRESSED AIR > OVER THE STATIC SENSITIVE MOTHERBOARD OR MEMORY CARD CONTACTS! The high > voltage generated in an air conditioned room like yours will destroy > them! DO NOT VACUUM THEM OUT EITHER...same idea...static! Any plastic > whisk broom or paint brush is also a VAN DEGRAFF STATIC GENERATOR. The > equipment to blow them out is too expensive to buy, static free > workstation stuff. I like a damp paper towel with me grounded to the > motherboard through a proper high resistance static wriststrap. That's > safer. The tiny moisture left behind evaporates in a minute, don't wet > it down. the dirt sticks to the wet paper towel. Just be careful of > the static generators.... > > > |
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