On Jul 31, 2:50*pm, John Doue <notw...******.com> wrote:
> Roy wrote:
> > On Jul 29, 11:16 am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> >> Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOS...@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:h4obi3$sh0$3
> >> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
> >>> Netbooks are not general purpose Laptops/Notebooks. *They are
> >> netbooks.
> >>> * They are fine dfr some [ok, many] things, they are horrible for lots
> >>> of other things. *IN GENERAL, they are not good choices as a main,
> >>> primary computer. *They have NO optical drive, in most cases, their
> >>> processors are weak, their memory is usually limited (granted, to a
> >>> level that is enough for some people) and their screens are small (in
> >>> both physical dimensions and resolution).
> >> Horrible for what, specifically, that you need to do on a NOTEBOOK out
> >> PORTABLE? *10.1" bright LCD screen sure beats lugging around that Drive-
> >> in theatre beast, especially if you have to carry it further than 50
> >> feet! *The NC10's NON-REFLECTIVE, screen can be watched in direct
> >> sunlight. *You're not looking through a MIRROR IMAGE OF YOU to see the
> >> picture!
>
> >> I can understand the blustering, but cannot think of anything you'd need
> >> in a PORTABLE NOTEBOOK the little netbooks won't do. *They're not some
> >> hobbled up iPhone gadget, but a full-fledged Windows XP computer, just
> >> like any other. *For 99% of all personal/home computing needs, a 1.6Ghz
> >> Atom processor consuming little power is SUPERIOR to any of the
> >> superfast processors that render their battery packs a single person can
> >> pickup dead in an hour of converting the battery pack into waste heat
> >> and blowing it out the side.
>
> >> I get LOTS more computing power over many orders of greater hours on the
> >> netbook than anything else I've ever owned.
>
> >> But, as you'll notice, I was ASKING the poster if he could justify or
> >> needed this battery-guzzling computing monster with the high powered
> >> drivein screen doing something a 1.6Ghz, 160GB, 2GB RAM (upgrade is $20)
> >> wouldn't do.
>
> >> When was the last time you just HAD to burn a DVD+R in your superfancy
> >> notebook that couldn't wait until you came home? *The lack of drive is a
> >> BENEFIT, not a restriction as you've eliminated a source of BATTERY
> >> CONSUMPTION and WEIGHT and VOLUME the ****ed laptop drive takes up when
> >> it's hardly ever needed at all! *I find The Tornado USB device MUCH more
> >> useful than a DVD/CD drive of any kind. *If I want to rip/give filesto
> >> someone else, I simply plug in the Tornado and it self-boots-without-
> >> installing it's Windows file manager on both machines by simply plugging
> >> it in. *Then, I can swap files at full USB 2.1 Expanded (or whatever
> >> other new names they dream up) from one to the other MUCH MUCH faster
> >> than burning and reading an old optical disk of any nature. *Tornado
> >> file transfers are only limited by how much hard drive space you
> >> gots....and mine will soon be a 1TB 2.5" Western Digital beast as soon
> >> as I can get one...(c;]
>
> >> "Their memory is limited".....true, limited to 2GB. *A 200 pin 2GB stick
> >> is $20 from buy.com with free shipping. *I can't imagine a LAPTOP
> >> needing more. *What the hell are you running a gigabit server?!
>
> >> A laptop/notebook/netbook should never be the primary computer in
> >> anyone's shack. *That's crazy. *I got rid of my tower and am usinga
> >> fully loaded, Dell Poweredge 2600 server I bought for $6 from a thrift
> >> shop as my home computer, now. *Talk about overkill! *THAT's crazy!
>
> >> Sure is nice to have 15,000 RPM hard drives with big cache instead of
> >> the old 7200 RPM Pentium drives, though....Loads real quick!
>
> >> --
> >> Larry
>
> >>http://flightaware.com/analysis/allflights_movie.rvt
> >> Each tiny red dot is an airliner in this Quicktime movie, ONE recent day
> >> of
> >> air travel in the USA. *What would happen if "they" found out this was
> >> the real source of air pollution or cancer or why all the bugs around my
> >> streetlight have disappeared? *Would "they" tell us? *Would "they"STOP
> >> IT?!
>
> > Larry you should not dictate your terms on *other people preference
> > for their personal portable computers.....
> > I for one hate netbooks *and a few times I rejected gifts of such kind
> > given to me including *the Samsung Model you are so proud about. I did
> > not even open the packages when I know whats in it, but politely
> > returned all of them to the sender much to their surprise.
>
> > I don’t want any of those tiny crap**** *within 10 feet of my home!
>
> > But if other people are happy with *such miniature laptops, so be it,
> > I RESPECT *that and in the same way I NEVER dictate also my preference
> > for *huge *and expensive desktop replacement systems to other people
> > who hates its being tethered to the power socket permanently *and so
> > heavy to carry around, *but that is my *PERSONAL choice….
>
> > But I insist .. and majority will surely agree .that a very powerful
> > laptop or accurately *a desktop replacement system * is already a
> > complete computer *and can do 100% of the *computing work I *needfor
> > it...and therefore *I have no need for those clunky desktops either.
> > Roy
>


>
> I stopped agreeing with your post when I reach your last paragraph.
> Of course I respect your preferences, but it seems to me that when you
> refer to "clunky desktops" (which I think are a disappearing species),
> you ignore mini-desktops which offer the exact same benefits as the big
> laptop you favor, at a fraction of the course, while letting you choose
> your keyboard, your display, and their respective positions.

John mini desktops are not designed to be portable like
laptops .....
Its not easy to transport it er as its not foldable nor can it be
emplaced it its own carrying case( like laptops) and often its bulky
and you have to carry also the accesories, such as the keyboards, the
LCD Screen ,the mini tower, etc. To much of a hassle to carry around
separate components and they lack the compactness of the huge laptops
that I am fond of.

They are still desktops
etc.
>
> Agreed, they do not claim to be mobile, but their small size makes it
> easy to move them when needed. Of course, it needs to be connected full
> time to the mains, which you readily accept.
>
> Of course, to each its own, but my approach is less expensive and more
> flexible, especially since I will never settle with a laptop with a
> "bright" display.
>
> Regards
>
> --
> John Doue- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

In news:h4mm1j$6of$1@Kil-nws-1.UCIS.Dal.Ca,
Richard Bonner typed on Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:05:23 +0000 (UTC):
[...]
> You might also consider a used laptop. An older laptop with DOS or
> Linux will not demand the resources that Windows does and may be able
> to handle your needs.
>
> Richard Bonner
> http://www.chebucto.ca/~ak621/DOS/

If you are talking about Vista or Windows 7, you might have a point. But
Linux needs a far more powerful computer than Windows 2000/XP does when
it comes to multitasking, especially true for multimedia. My Linux
machines are worthless for multimedia! Stops and starts and the video
can't keep up unless it is ran in a tiny window. That is awful! Then
most Linux applications and drivers are awful anyway and that doesn't
help either.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2

In
news:5b5c1c1d-8bb5-4347-8e38-31fa8053ff39@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Roy typed on Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:36:36 -0700 (PDT):

> John mini desktops are not designed to be portable like
> laptops .....
> Its not easy to transport it er as its not foldable nor can it be
> emplaced it its own carrying case( like laptops) and often its bulky
> and you have to carry also the accesories, such as the keyboards, the
> LCD Screen ,the mini tower, etc. To much of a hassle to carry around
> separate components and they lack the compactness of the huge laptops
> that I am fond of.
>
> They are still desktops
> etc.

What do you think of people who does the opposite Roy? Those that takes
netbooks and laptops and run them as desktops? And just removing a few
cables, you are portable once again.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2

In news:h4s1h4$ri$1@news.eternal-september.org,
ggwillikers typed on Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:44:44 -0400:
> Barry Watzman wrote:
>> Horrible for lots of things. Horrible for web browsing with many web
>> sites (including E-Bay). Horrible if you have to do CD or DVD
>> burning (sure, the optical drive would have to be external, but you
>> can't even install ANY Roxio software ... AT ALL ... because they
>> won't install if the screen resolution is less than 768 vertically).
>> And there are many other things.
>>
>> Look, netbooks have their place (which varies by user) and in that
>> place they are really nice. But they are not good as the general
>> purpose computer, the ONLY computer, for most people.
>
> ROXIO is pure crap anyway...

Ain't that the truth!

Say Barry, why are netbooks horrible for such things as eBay? As I use
my netbooks for eBay all of the time (at 800x600 resolution no less) and
I don't see a problem. I also see the lack of a built in CD/DVD as a
plus. And I have five netbooks and all I need is one external slimline
CD/DVD drive. Why would I want or need 4 more of them for? I rarely use
the one I have anyway.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2

In news:h4obi3$sh0$3@news.eternal-september.org,
Barry Watzman typed on Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:11:30 -0400:
> Netbooks are not general purpose Laptops/Notebooks. They are
> netbooks. They are fine dfr some [ok, many] things, they are
> horrible for lots of other things. IN GENERAL, they are not good
> choices as a main, primary computer.

I have no problem using them as a main machine.

> They have NO optical drive, in most cases,

That is why they sell external slimline optical drives for.

> their processors are weak,

Actually they are more powerful than what most machines had when XP was
first released. And as far as I am concern, I only need enough horse
power for multimedia. If it can do this, that is all I need. As I am not
trying to crack encrypted passwords or anything.

> their memory is usually limited (granted, to a level that is enough
> for some people)

Memory limited? You have to be kidding? That is the best part of
netbooks! This is what sets them far different than other older machines
about 10 years ago is that they can take on lots of memory. My two
Toshiba 2595XDVD ('99 era) are maxed out with 192MB of RAM. Now that is
what I call limited! Even Windows 2000 runs like a slow poke under
192MB. But XP with 2GB is more than plenty. Most of the time I don't
even use more than 800MB of it.

> and their screens are small (in both physical dimensions and
> resolution).

Big screens are heavy! I had taken off the top lid of one of my Gateway
MX6124 ('06 era) with a 15.4" inch screen and I was surprised how light
the bottom half exactly was (especially without the battery). And
netbook screens (even my 7 inch ones) are huge compared to PDA screens
and netphones.

And unlike PDA and netphones, you can hook up external monitors to
netbooks. Thus the screen size no longer should be an issue for anything
anymore. I run my netbooks about half of the time with an external
monitor, external keyboard / mouse. And frankly, they operate very much
just like a desktop in this configuration.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2

Roy wrote:
> On Jul 31, 2:50 pm, John Doue <notw...******.com> wrote:
>> Roy wrote:
>>> On Jul 29, 11:16 am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>>>> Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOS...@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:h4obi3$sh0$3
>>>> @news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>> Netbooks are not general purpose Laptops/Notebooks. They are
>>>> netbooks.
>>>>> They are fine dfr some [ok, many] things, they are horrible for lots
>>>>> of other things. IN GENERAL, they are not good choices as a main,
>>>>> primary computer. They have NO optical drive, in most cases, their
>>>>> processors are weak, their memory is usually limited (granted, to a
>>>>> level that is enough for some people) and their screens are small (in
>>>>> both physical dimensions and resolution).
>>>> Horrible for what, specifically, that you need to do on a NOTEBOOK out
>>>> PORTABLE? 10.1" bright LCD screen sure beats lugging around that Drive-
>>>> in theatre beast, especially if you have to carry it further than 50
>>>> feet! The NC10's NON-REFLECTIVE, screen can be watched in direct
>>>> sunlight. You're not looking through a MIRROR IMAGE OF YOU to see the
>>>> picture!
>>>> I can understand the blustering, but cannot think of anything you'd need
>>>> in a PORTABLE NOTEBOOK the little netbooks won't do. They're not some
>>>> hobbled up iPhone gadget, but a full-fledged Windows XP computer, just
>>>> like any other. For 99% of all personal/home computing needs, a 1.6Ghz
>>>> Atom processor consuming little power is SUPERIOR to any of the
>>>> superfast processors that render their battery packs a single person can
>>>> pickup dead in an hour of converting the battery pack into waste heat
>>>> and blowing it out the side.
>>>> I get LOTS more computing power over many orders of greater hours on the
>>>> netbook than anything else I've ever owned.
>>>> But, as you'll notice, I was ASKING the poster if he could justify or
>>>> needed this battery-guzzling computing monster with the high powered
>>>> drivein screen doing something a 1.6Ghz, 160GB, 2GB RAM (upgrade is $20)
>>>> wouldn't do.
>>>> When was the last time you just HAD to burn a DVD+R in your superfancy
>>>> notebook that couldn't wait until you came home? The lack of drive is a
>>>> BENEFIT, not a restriction as you've eliminated a source of BATTERY
>>>> CONSUMPTION and WEIGHT and VOLUME the ****ed laptop drive takes up when
>>>> it's hardly ever needed at all! I find The Tornado USB device MUCH more
>>>> useful than a DVD/CD drive of any kind. If I want to rip/give files to
>>>> someone else, I simply plug in the Tornado and it self-boots-without-
>>>> installing it's Windows file manager on both machines by simply plugging
>>>> it in. Then, I can swap files at full USB 2.1 Expanded (or whatever
>>>> other new names they dream up) from one to the other MUCH MUCH faster
>>>> than burning and reading an old optical disk of any nature. Tornado
>>>> file transfers are only limited by how much hard drive space you
>>>> gots....and mine will soon be a 1TB 2.5" Western Digital beast as soon
>>>> as I can get one...(c;]
>>>> "Their memory is limited".....true, limited to 2GB. A 200 pin 2GB stick
>>>> is $20 from buy.com with free shipping. I can't imagine a LAPTOP
>>>> needing more. What the hell are you running a gigabit server?!
>>>> A laptop/notebook/netbook should never be the primary computer in
>>>> anyone's shack. That's crazy. I got rid of my tower and am using a
>>>> fully loaded, Dell Poweredge 2600 server I bought for $6 from a thrift
>>>> shop as my home computer, now. Talk about overkill! THAT's crazy!
>>>> Sure is nice to have 15,000 RPM hard drives with big cache instead of
>>>> the old 7200 RPM Pentium drives, though....Loads real quick!
>>>> --
>>>> Larry
>>>> http://flightaware.com/analysis/allflights_movie.rvt
>>>> Each tiny red dot is an airliner in this Quicktime movie, ONE recent day
>>>> of
>>>> air travel in the USA. What would happen if "they" found out this was
>>>> the real source of air pollution or cancer or why all the bugs around my
>>>> streetlight have disappeared? Would "they" tell us? Would "they" STOP
>>>> IT?!
>>> Larry you should not dictate your terms on other people preference
>>> for their personal portable computers.....
>>> I for one hate netbooks and a few times I rejected gifts of such kind
>>> given to me including the Samsung Model you are so proud about. I did
>>> not even open the packages when I know whats in it, but politely
>>> returned all of them to the sender much to their surprise.
>>> I don’t want any of those tiny crap**** within 10 feet of my home!
>>> But if other people are happy with such miniature laptops, so be it,
>>> I RESPECT that and in the same way I NEVER dictate also my preference
>>> for huge and expensive desktop replacement systems to other people
>>> who hates its being tethered to the power socket permanently and so
>>> heavy to carry around, but that is my PERSONAL choice….
>>> But I insist .. and majority will surely agree .that a very powerful
>>> laptop or accurately a desktop replacement system is already a
>>> complete computer and can do 100% of the computing work I need for
>>> it...and therefore I have no need for those clunky desktops either.
>>> Roy
>
>
>> I stopped agreeing with your post when I reach your last paragraph.
>> Of course I respect your preferences, but it seems to me that when you
>> refer to "clunky desktops" (which I think are a disappearing species),
>> you ignore mini-desktops which offer the exact same benefits as the big
>> laptop you favor, at a fraction of the course, while letting you choose
>> your keyboard, your display, and their respective positions.
>
> John mini desktops are not designed to be portable like
> laptops .....
> Its not easy to transport it er as its not foldable nor can it be
> emplaced it its own carrying case( like laptops) and often its bulky
> and you have to carry also the accesories, such as the keyboards, the
> LCD Screen ,the mini tower, etc. To much of a hassle to carry around
> separate components and they lack the compactness of the huge laptops
> that I am fond of.

Apparently the huge laptops you are fond of aren't used in a true mobile
fashion. I mean 100% on the road in and out of client locations on a
daily basis, not to mention lugging one through the airport twice a week.

> They are still desktops
> etc.
>> Agreed, they do not claim to be mobile, but their small size makes it
>> easy to move them when needed. Of course, it needs to be connected full
>> time to the mains, which you readily accept.
>>
>> Of course, to each its own, but my approach is less expensive and more
>> flexible, especially since I will never settle with a laptop with a
>> "bright" display.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> --
>> John Doue- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>

On Aug 1, 7:24*am, ggwillikers <no...@youknow.com> wrote:
> Roy wrote:
> > On Jul 31, 2:50 pm, John Doue <notw...******.com> wrote:
> >> Roy wrote:
> >>> On Jul 29, 11:16 am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> >>>> Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOS...@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:h4obi3$sh0$3
> >>>> @news.eternal-september.org:
> >>>>> Netbooks are not general purpose Laptops/Notebooks. *They are
> >>>> netbooks.
> >>>>> * They are fine dfr some [ok, many] things, they are horrible forlots
> >>>>> of other things. *IN GENERAL, they are not good choices as a main,
> >>>>> primary computer. *They have NO optical drive, in most cases, their
> >>>>> processors are weak, their memory is usually limited (granted, to a
> >>>>> level that is enough for some people) and their screens are small (in
> >>>>> both physical dimensions and resolution).
> >>>> Horrible for what, specifically, that you need to do on a NOTEBOOK out
> >>>> PORTABLE? *10.1" bright LCD screen sure beats lugging around that Drive-
> >>>> in theatre beast, especially if you have to carry it further than 50
> >>>> feet! *The NC10's NON-REFLECTIVE, screen can be watched in direct
> >>>> sunlight. *You're not looking through a MIRROR IMAGE OF YOU to seethe
> >>>> picture!
> >>>> I can understand the blustering, but cannot think of anything you'd need
> >>>> in a PORTABLE NOTEBOOK the little netbooks won't do. *They're not some
> >>>> hobbled up iPhone gadget, but a full-fledged Windows XP computer, just
> >>>> like any other. *For 99% of all personal/home computing needs, a 1..6Ghz
> >>>> Atom processor consuming little power is SUPERIOR to any of the
> >>>> superfast processors that render their battery packs a single personcan
> >>>> pickup dead in an hour of converting the battery pack into waste heat
> >>>> and blowing it out the side.
> >>>> I get LOTS more computing power over many orders of greater hours onthe
> >>>> netbook than anything else I've ever owned.
> >>>> But, as you'll notice, I was ASKING the poster if he could justify or
> >>>> needed this battery-guzzling computing monster with the high powered
> >>>> drivein screen doing something a 1.6Ghz, 160GB, 2GB RAM (upgrade is $20)
> >>>> wouldn't do.
> >>>> When was the last time you just HAD to burn a DVD+R in your superfancy
> >>>> notebook that couldn't wait until you came home? *The lack of drive is a
> >>>> BENEFIT, not a restriction as you've eliminated a source of BATTERY
> >>>> CONSUMPTION and WEIGHT and VOLUME the ****ed laptop drive takes up when
> >>>> it's hardly ever needed at all! *I find The Tornado USB device MUCH more
> >>>> useful than a DVD/CD drive of any kind. *If I want to rip/give files to
> >>>> someone else, I simply plug in the Tornado and it self-boots-without-
> >>>> installing it's Windows file manager on both machines by simply plugging
> >>>> it in. *Then, I can swap files at full USB 2.1 Expanded (or whatever
> >>>> other new names they dream up) from one to the other MUCH MUCH faster
> >>>> than burning and reading an old optical disk of any nature. *Tornado
> >>>> file transfers are only limited by how much hard drive space you
> >>>> gots....and mine will soon be a 1TB 2.5" Western Digital beast as soon
> >>>> as I can get one...(c;]
> >>>> "Their memory is limited".....true, limited to 2GB. *A 200 pin 2GBstick
> >>>> is $20 from buy.com with free shipping. *I can't imagine a LAPTOP
> >>>> needing more. *What the hell are you running a gigabit server?!
> >>>> A laptop/notebook/netbook should never be the primary computer in
> >>>> anyone's shack. *That's crazy. *I got rid of my tower and am using a
> >>>> fully loaded, Dell Poweredge 2600 server I bought for $6 from a thrift
> >>>> shop as my home computer, now. *Talk about overkill! *THAT's crazy!
> >>>> Sure is nice to have 15,000 RPM hard drives with big cache instead of
> >>>> the old 7200 RPM Pentium drives, though....Loads real quick!
> >>>> --
> >>>> Larry
> >>>>http://flightaware.com/analysis/allflights_movie.rvt
> >>>> Each tiny red dot is an airliner in this Quicktime movie, ONE recentday
> >>>> of
> >>>> air travel in the USA. *What would happen if "they" found out thiswas
> >>>> the real source of air pollution or cancer or why all the bugs around my
> >>>> streetlight have disappeared? *Would "they" tell us? *Would "they" STOP
> >>>> IT?!
> >>> Larry you should not dictate your terms on *other people preference
> >>> for their personal portable computers.....
> >>> I for one hate netbooks *and a few times I rejected gifts of such kind
> >>> given to me including *the Samsung Model you are so proud about. I did
> >>> not even open the packages when I know whats in it, but politely
> >>> returned all of them to the sender much to their surprise.
> >>> I don’t want any of those tiny crap**** *within 10 feet of my home!
> >>> But if other people are happy with *such miniature laptops, so be it,
> >>> I RESPECT *that and in the same way I NEVER dictate also my preference
> >>> for *huge *and expensive desktop replacement systems to other people
> >>> who hates its being tethered to the power socket permanently *and so
> >>> heavy to carry around, *but that is my *PERSONAL choice….
> >>> But I insist .. and majority will surely agree .that a very powerful
> >>> laptop or accurately *a desktop replacement system * is already a
> >>> complete computer *and can do 100% of the *computing work I *need for
> >>> it...and therefore *I have no need for those clunky desktops either..
> >>> Roy
>
> >> I stopped agreeing with your post when I reach your last paragraph.
> >> Of course I respect your preferences, but it seems to me that when you
> >> refer to "clunky desktops" (which I think are a disappearing species),
> >> you ignore mini-desktops which offer the exact same benefits as the big
> >> laptop you favor, at a fraction of the course, while letting you choose
> >> your keyboard, your display, and their respective positions.
>
> > John mini desktops *are not designed to be portable like
> > laptops *.....
> > Its not easy to transport it er as *its not foldable nor can it be
> > emplaced it its own carrying case( like laptops) *and *often its bulky
> > and you have to carry also the accesories, such as the keyboards, the
> > LCD Screen ,the mini tower, etc. To much of a hassle to carry around
> > separate components and they lack the compactness of the huge laptops
> > that I am fond of.
>
> Apparently the huge laptops you are fond of aren't used in a true mobile
> fashion. I mean 100% on the road in and out of client locations on a
> daily basis, not to mention lugging one through the airport twice a week.
>
>
>
> > They are still desktops
> > etc.
> >> Agreed, they do not claim to be mobile, but their small size makes it
> >> easy to move them when needed. Of course, it needs to be connected full
> >> time to the mains, which you readily accept.
>
> >> Of course, to each its own, but my approach is less expensive and more
> >> flexible, especially since I will never settle with a laptop with a
> >> "bright" display.
>
> >> Regards
>
> >> --
> >> John Doue- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well what I considered portable( or mobile?) PC is what I can carry
whenever I travel and often its the kind I prefer..
Roy

In news:h4vufm$l6m$1@news.eternal-september.org,
ggwillikers typed on Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:24:33 -0400:
> Apparently the huge laptops you are fond of aren't used in a true
> mobile fashion. I mean 100% on the road in and out of client
> locations on a daily basis, not to mention lugging one through the
> airport twice a week.

I remember taking my Osborne Executive portable (luggable at 25lbs) on a
plane once. Then I quickly purchased an Epson PX-8 which is about
netbook size back in '84 to take on my weekly plane trips.. That was
much better. lol

http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/epson/h/px8front.jpg

--
Bill
Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195)
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

BillW50 wrote:
> In news:h4vufm$l6m$1@news.eternal-september.org,
> ggwillikers typed on Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:24:33 -0400:
>> Apparently the huge laptops you are fond of aren't used in a true
>> mobile fashion. I mean 100% on the road in and out of client
>> locations on a daily basis, not to mention lugging one through the
>> airport twice a week.
>
> I remember taking my Osborne Executive portable (luggable at 25lbs) on a
> plane once. Then I quickly purchased an Epson PX-8 which is about
> netbook size back in '84 to take on my weekly plane trips.. That was
> much better. lol
>
> http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/epson/h/px8front.jpg
>
Currently humping 50 lbs. 1 meter satellite dish, 50 lb roof mount, 240
lbs of cinder block on each site, 3-4 times a day. Carrying the little
Acer netbook and the Sat modem inside for config is a nice break from
the old Dell 1505 we had.

In news:h52fg5$dta$1@news.eternal-september.org,
ggwillikers typed on Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:19:41 -0400:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In news:h4vufm$l6m$1@news.eternal-september.org,
>> ggwillikers typed on Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:24:33 -0400:
>>> Apparently the huge laptops you are fond of aren't used in a true
>>> mobile fashion. I mean 100% on the road in and out of client
>>> locations on a daily basis, not to mention lugging one through the
>>> airport twice a week.
>>
>> I remember taking my Osborne Executive portable (luggable at 25lbs)
>> on a plane once. Then I quickly purchased an Epson PX-8 which is
>> about netbook size back in '84 to take on my weekly plane trips..
>> That was much better. lol
>>
>> http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/epson/h/px8front.jpg
>>
> Currently humping 50 lbs. 1 meter satellite dish, 50 lb roof mount,
> 240 lbs of cinder block on each site, 3-4 times a day. Carrying the
> little Acer netbook and the Sat modem inside for config is a nice
> break from the old Dell 1505 we had.

Hahaha... and I thought I had it bad! lol

--
Bill
Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195)
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

BillW50 wrote:
> In news:h52fg5$dta$1@news.eternal-september.org,
> ggwillikers typed on Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:19:41 -0400:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> In news:h4vufm$l6m$1@news.eternal-september.org,
>>> ggwillikers typed on Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:24:33 -0400:
>>>> Apparently the huge laptops you are fond of aren't used in a true
>>>> mobile fashion. I mean 100% on the road in and out of client
>>>> locations on a daily basis, not to mention lugging one through the
>>>> airport twice a week.
>>> I remember taking my Osborne Executive portable (luggable at 25lbs)
>>> on a plane once. Then I quickly purchased an Epson PX-8 which is
>>> about netbook size back in '84 to take on my weekly plane trips..
>>> That was much better. lol
>>>
>>> http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/epson/h/px8front.jpg
>>>
>> Currently humping 50 lbs. 1 meter satellite dish, 50 lb roof mount,
>> 240 lbs of cinder block on each site, 3-4 times a day. Carrying the
>> little Acer netbook and the Sat modem inside for config is a nice
>> break from the old Dell 1505 we had.
>
> Hahaha... and I thought I had it bad! lol
>

It's good for now, getting me in shape, don't want any part of it when
the snow flies, uh uh, no way...

BillW50 (BillW50@aol.kom) wrote:

> Richard Bonner typed on Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:05:23 +0000 (UTC):
> > You might also consider a used laptop. An older laptop with DOS or
> > Linux will not demand the resources that Windows does and may be able
> > to handle your needs.
> >
> > Richard Bonner

> If you are talking about Vista or Windows 7, you might have a point. But
> Linux needs a far more powerful computer than Windows 2000/XP does when
> it comes to multitasking, especially true for multimedia.

*** You might try one of the smaller distros of Linux.


> My Linux
> machines are worthless for multimedia! Stops and starts and the video
> can't keep up unless it is run in a tiny window. That is awful! Then
> most Linux applications and drivers are awful anyway and that doesn't
> help either.
> --
> Bill

*** I can't comment on your last point because I rarely use my Linux
machine, but it (Debian) recognised all the hardware.

As for multimedia, I use QuickView Pro for DOS. It can run AVIs and
other formats on slower processors. However, one must have a video card
that can render images fast enough if they are high resolution. Otherwise
it will drop frames.

All that aside, I found that if I played with the settings, even some
demanding videos would play without jerkiness.

Richard Bonner
http://www.chebucto.ca/~ak621/DOS/

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Somewhere on teh intarwebs Barry Watzman wrote:
[snip]
> A problem that stops many people dead in their tracks right at the
> beginning is that the XP setup program does not support SATA hard
> drives. SOME laptops "emulate" IDE drives from SATA drives in the
> BIOS (either unconditionally or as an option), but in other cases,
> you need what is called an "F6 Driver" (see wikipedia). If you don't know
> what
> an F6 driver is, then you probably don't have the knowledge and
> ability necessary to do this yourself (although not all laptops
> require an F6 driver, not knowing what that is suggests someone whose
> knowledge of operating systems probably isn't as great as this type
> of task is likely to require).

Hi Barry,

I take take that to mean that some laptops *don't* have the option to
emulate IDE drives and must be run as ACHI? The newest machines I've played
with are both over two years old and they both have the option in BIOS. Can
you confirm that some laptops don't have the option?

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.

Yes, some laptops do not do the IDE emulation at all, either
unconditionally or through a BIOS option. AHCI is the only mode, and
you must use an F6 driver to install XP on such laptops. However, an F6
driver REQUIRES a floppy drive, and some of the subject laptops don't
have that either (they do support USB floppy drives, in all cases that I
have seen). I've dealt with both Gateway and Toshiba models on which
AHCI was the only mode.

~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Barry Watzman wrote:
> [snip]
>> A problem that stops many people dead in their tracks right at the
>> beginning is that the XP setup program does not support SATA hard
>> drives. SOME laptops "emulate" IDE drives from SATA drives in the
>> BIOS (either unconditionally or as an option), but in other cases,
>> you need what is called an "F6 Driver" (see wikipedia). If you don't know
>> what
>> an F6 driver is, then you probably don't have the knowledge and
>> ability necessary to do this yourself (although not all laptops
>> require an F6 driver, not knowing what that is suggests someone whose
>> knowledge of operating systems probably isn't as great as this type
>> of task is likely to require).
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> I take take that to mean that some laptops *don't* have the option to
> emulate IDE drives and must be run as ACHI? The newest machines I've played
> with are both over two years old and they both have the option in BIOS. Can
> you confirm that some laptops don't have the option?
>
> Cheers,