Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:h23k34$r8v$1
@news.eternal-september.org:

> I have not heard that one (about the 1GB being a MS imposed limit)
> although it might be true. But I'm more inclined to believe it's just a
> cost issue. 512MB gives MUCH worse performance but, for XP, going up
> from 1GB doesn't provide that much of a benefit.
>

http://www.techspot.com/news/35144-s...b-ddr3-memory-
module.html

Samsung's new 32GB DDR3 beast....

2GB isn't too much, now, is it?....(c;]

Soon, we'll just leave everything running with all data files in RAM,
eliminating the slow SSD and HDD latency.

HDD will just be for backup, in case the onboard UPS battery fails.

Imagine how fast everything would be......(c;]



--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

Some of us ... like probably most of the computer users in the world ...
actually LIKE Windows and have as much distaste for Linux as you do for
Windows.


Larry wrote:
> Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:h23k34$r8v$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> I have not heard that one (about the 1GB being a MS imposed limit)
>> although it might be true. But I'm more inclined to believe it's just a
>> cost issue. 512MB gives MUCH worse performance but, for XP, going up
>> from 1GB doesn't provide that much of a benefit.
>>
>
> http://apcmag.com/microsoft_hobbles_..._ram_limit.htm
>
> http://www.techspot.com/news/31996-m...-ram-limit-on-
> netbooks.html
>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/mic...book-hardware-
> limits,7889.html
>
> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/200...49044840.shtml
>
> It's time to move on to Ubuntu and leave DOS 7 to die a natural death....
>
> Ubuntu's current release runs like a scalded dog on a Samsung NC10
> netbook....(c;]
>
>

Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:

>probably most of the computer users in the world ...
>actually LIKE Windows

Judging from the constant barrage of Windows complaints I read I'm not
sure that Windows (especially Vista) is universally well liked.
However there's no denying that because off its monopoly it's pretty
much the only game in town as to availability of software.

>and have as much distaste for Linux...

Having both Linux (Ubuntu) and Windows (XP) on this netbook (Eee PC
1000HD using dual boot) I find both to work quite well. Each has it's
advantages, and on balance both do most everything the average netbook
user would need.

Bottom line: I think OS hating is a religious thing. Many people seem
to either hate Windows or hate Linux. Either position seems a bit
silly this agnostic... ;)

"AJL" <55@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
news:djpc459ve087tt1t5end0p3q12jmd8s826@4ax.com...
> Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>probably most of the computer users in the world ...
>>actually LIKE Windows
>
> Judging from the constant barrage of Windows complaints I read I'm not
> sure that Windows (especially Vista) is universally well liked.
> However there's no denying that because off its monopoly it's pretty
> much the only game in town as to availability of software.
>
>>and have as much distaste for Linux...
>
> Having both Linux (Ubuntu) and Windows (XP) on this netbook (Eee PC
> 1000HD using dual boot) I find both to work quite well. Each has it's
> advantages, and on balance both do most everything the average netbook
> user would need.
>
> Bottom line: I think OS hating is a religious thing. Many people seem
> to either hate Windows or hate Linux. Either position seems a bit
> silly this agnostic... ;)

if you gave most people a $1000 bill...they would bitch because it wasn't in
tens and twenties. They always think there is something better somewhere
than what they already have. And so they BITCH

There are over a billion PCs in use in the world, about 90% running some
version of Windows. The complaints that you hear represent an
insignificant number of those users.


AJL wrote:
> Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> probably most of the computer users in the world ...
>> actually LIKE Windows
>
> Judging from the constant barrage of Windows complaints I read I'm not
> sure that Windows (especially Vista) is universally well liked.
> However there's no denying that because off its monopoly it's pretty
> much the only game in town as to availability of software.
>
>> and have as much distaste for Linux...
>
> Having both Linux (Ubuntu) and Windows (XP) on this netbook (Eee PC
> 1000HD using dual boot) I find both to work quite well. Each has it's
> advantages, and on balance both do most everything the average netbook
> user would need.
>
> Bottom line: I think OS hating is a religious thing. Many people seem
> to either hate Windows or hate Linux. Either position seems a bit
> silly this agnostic... ;)

Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:h24d45$ipe$1
@news.eternal-september.org:

> Some of us ... like probably most of the computer users in the world ...
> actually LIKE Windows and have as much distaste for Linux as you do for
> Windows.
>
>

I don't distaste Windows. I've been using Micro$oft's products since DOS
1.0 was released on 8086 hardware! I'm using WinXPSP3 typing this message
because it's convenient and familiar with Xnews, a very old usenet client.

I'm sorry you got that impression that my post placing the 1GB limit on
Micro$oft was simply reporting all the thousands of articles written on the
subject.

One of my friends wants to install Win7 on his box. I've asked him to wait
until 2010 for SP2 or 3 until a significant number of major bugs users find
are ironed out. He failed to listen and upgraded to Vista 1.0 on day one,
paying dearly for his transgression.....(c;]

I missed several horrible "upgrades" like ME, Vista, some NT flavors here.
I've never been much of a "retail beta tester" for any software.....

WinXPSP3 is a very stable product. I just wish its company wasn't so hell
bent on destroying it.



--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

AJL <55@fakeaddress.com> wrote in news:djpc459ve087tt1t5end0p3q12jmd8s826@
4ax.com:

> Bottom line: I think OS hating is a religious thing. Many people seem
> to either hate Windows or hate Linux. Either position seems a bit
> silly this agnostic... ;)
>
>

I'm still not much of a fan of TRSDOS, no matter what "they" say...(c;]

CP/M or OS-65/U are much better OSes



--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:

>There are over a billion PCs in use in the world, about 90% running some
>version of Windows. The complaints that you hear represent an
>insignificant number of those users.

Even if I heard 1000 Windows OS complaints every day for the next 100
years that would still be an "insignificant number" of complaints when
compared to those 900,000,000 users. Your statement doesn't make much
sense Barry.

But as long as we're being silly here is some *real* data: I Googled
"Microsoft Windows complaints" and I got 1,710,000 hits. Then I
Googled "Microsoft Windows compliments" and got 233,000 hits.
The Windows complaints have it 7 to 1... ;)

"AJL" <55@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
news:d62e45dbeogln59a12rnfmiss7ja6rf6vh@4ax.com...
> Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>There are over a billion PCs in use in the world, about 90% running some
>>version of Windows. The complaints that you hear represent an
>>insignificant number of those users.
>
> Even if I heard 1000 Windows OS complaints every day for the next 100
> years that would still be an "insignificant number" of complaints when
> compared to those 900,000,000 users. Your statement doesn't make much
> sense Barry.
>
> But as long as we're being silly here is some *real* data: I Googled
> "Microsoft Windows complaints" and I got 1,710,000 hits. Then I
> Googled "Microsoft Windows compliments" and got 23 3,000 hits.
> The Windows complaints have it 7 to 1... ;)

Those that are having a reasonable enough experience are hardly likely to
feel a need to tell everyone able it now are they.

Cheers.

Pete

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9C37EF8E0EF58noonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
> Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:h24d45$ipe$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Some of us ... like probably most of the computer users in the world ...
>> actually LIKE Windows and have as much distaste for Linux as you do for
>> Windows.
>>
>>
>
> I don't distaste Windows. I've been using Micro$oft's products since DOS
> 1.0 was released on 8086 hardware! I'm using WinXPSP3 typing this message
> because it's convenient and familiar with Xnews, a very old usenet client.
>
> I'm sorry you got that impression that my post placing the 1GB limit on
> Micro$oft was simply reporting all the thousands of articles written on
> the
> subject.
>
> One of my friends wants to install Win7 on his box. I've asked him to
> wait
> until 2010 for SP2 or 3 until a significant number of major bugs users
> find
> are ironed out. He failed to listen and upgraded to Vista 1.0 on day one,
> paying dearly for his transgression.....(c;]

I am running Win7 fine on my ASUS 1000H, 2Gb of RAM that took about 15
seconds to install.

> I missed several horrible "upgrades" like ME, Vista, some NT flavors here.
> I've never been much of a "retail beta tester" for any software.....
>
> WinXPSP3 is a very stable product. I just wish its company wasn't so hell
> bent on destroying it.
>
>
>
> --
> -----
> Larry
>
> If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
> is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

"PeteD" <no@email.thanks_doug.biz> wrote:

>Those that are having a reasonable enough experience [with Windows]
>are hardly likely to feel a need to tell everyone about it now are they.

Barry felt the need. That's what started this silly exchange... ;)

>>Barry previously wrote:
>>>Some of us ... like probably most of the computer users in the world ...
>>>actually LIKE Windows and have as much distaste for Linux as
>>> you [Larry} do for Windows.

In news:Xns9C37EF8E0EF58noonehomecom@74.209.131.13,
Larry typed on Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:32:58 +0000:
> I don't distaste Windows. I've been using Micro$oft's products since
> DOS 1.0 was released on 8086 hardware!

I don't remember any DOS v1.0 except QDOS v1.0. And Tim Patterson wrote
it because Gary Kildall failed to write CP/M-86 like he promised he
would. Gary did what he wanted, not what others wanted. Which later
destroyed him.

> I'm using WinXPSP3 typing this message because it's convenient and
> familiar with Xnews, a very old usenet client.

I have one machine running XPSP3 and the rest running XPSP2. And I
haven't seen any difference in stability or usability between SP2 and
SP3.

> I'm sorry you got that impression that my post placing the 1GB limit
> on Micro$oft was simply reporting all the thousands of articles
> written on the subject.

It is truly rare for any of my XP machines to ever need 900MB of more of
memory for the OS and all of my running applications. Windows 2000 uses
half of this figure.

And I have a hard time believing that Microsoft made such a rule. As
what would stop manufactures from taking Vista laptops and dropping the
RAM down to 1GB and then asking Microsoft for XP licenses so they could
sell more computers because people wanted XP instead of Vista?

> One of my friends wants to install Win7 on his box. I've asked him
> to wait until 2010 for SP2 or 3 until a significant number of major
> bugs users find are ironed out. He failed to listen and upgraded to
> Vista 1.0 on day one, paying dearly for his transgression.....(c;]

That is always the smart move on your main machine anyway. Spare
machines you can do whatever you want to since it doesn't matter if they
work or not.

> I missed several horrible "upgrades" like ME, Vista, some NT flavors
> here. I've never been much of a "retail beta tester" for any
> software.....

I used to in the 80's, but it got old very quickly. Now I let the young
kids to be the guinea pigs. <grin>

> WinXPSP3 is a very stable product. I just wish its company wasn't so
> hell bent on destroying it.

It doesn't matter what Microsoft wants to do with it. They are still
licensing new copies today because they didn't have a choice. It isn't
because they want too. Now I see Windows 7 has a XP compatibility mode.
Which will just cause XP to live out a much longer lifespan of any OS
before or after it. <grin>

--
Bill
Windows XP Pro SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

In news:h27pun$ho4$1@news.eternal-september.org,
BillW50 typed on Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:02:52 -0500:
> In news:Xns9C37EF8E0EF58noonehomecom@74.209.131.13,
> Larry typed on Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:32:58 +0000:
>> I'm using WinXPSP3 typing this message because it's convenient and
>> familiar with Xnews, a very old usenet client.
>
> I have one machine running XPSP3 and the rest running XPSP2. And I
> haven't seen any difference in stability or usability between SP2 and
> SP3.

Oh wait! There is one small difference. SP3 breaks OE6 auto-compacing
mode. As it usually hangs on folder.dbx. And Microsoft doesn't support
OE at all anymore, so there will never be a Microsoft fix for it. Which
might be one reason to stick with SP2. <grin>

--
Bill
Windows XP Pro SP2 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

BillW50 wrote:
> In news:h27pun$ho4$1@news.eternal-september.org,
> BillW50 typed on Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:02:52 -0500:
>> In news:Xns9C37EF8E0EF58noonehomecom@74.209.131.13,
>> Larry typed on Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:32:58 +0000:
>>> I'm using WinXPSP3 typing this message because it's convenient and
>>> familiar with Xnews, a very old usenet client.
>> I have one machine running XPSP3 and the rest running XPSP2. And I
>> haven't seen any difference in stability or usability between SP2 and
>> SP3.
>
> Oh wait! There is one small difference. SP3 breaks OE6 auto-compacing
> mode. As it usually hangs on folder.dbx. And Microsoft doesn't support
> OE at all anymore, so there will never be a Microsoft fix for it. Which
> might be one reason to stick with SP2. <grin>
>
I always found that to be a good reason to chuck OE, but that's just me.

In news:h281h4$3aq$1@news.eternal-september.org,
ggwillikers typed on Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:13:55 -0400:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In news:h27pun$ho4$1@news.eternal-september.org,
>> BillW50 typed on Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:02:52 -0500:
>>> In news:Xns9C37EF8E0EF58noonehomecom@74.209.131.13,
>>> Larry typed on Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:32:58 +0000:
>>>> I'm using WinXPSP3 typing this message because it's convenient and
>>>> familiar with Xnews, a very old usenet client.
>>> I have one machine running XPSP3 and the rest running XPSP2. And I
>>> haven't seen any difference in stability or usability between SP2
>>> and SP3.
>>
>> Oh wait! There is one small difference. SP3 breaks OE6 auto-compacing
>> mode. As it usually hangs on folder.dbx. And Microsoft doesn't
>> support OE at all anymore, so there will never be a Microsoft fix
>> for it. Which might be one reason to stick with SP2. <grin>
>>
> I always found that to be a good reason to chuck OE, but that's just
> me.

I would except for the following:

1) I love the interface. <grin>

2) OE Quote-Fix makes the OE interface modern.

3) OE was created back in the days when hard drives were small, so it
compacts your messages. Well today it is also perfect for smaller SSDs
and flash drives.

4) Only OE (and LiveMail) has the find replies to your posts hotkey.
This is the most disturbing complaint I have about all other newsreaders
out there. I have no idea how you other people find anything in high
volume newsgroups. As in a blink of an eye, OE pulls right up. <grin>

--
Bill
Gateway Celeron M 370 (1.5GHZ)
MX6124 (laptop) w/2GB
Windows XP Home SP2 (60GB HD)
Intel(r) 910GML (64MB shared)