I am looking for opinions on a usb tv tuner to go with my netbook. The one
I am looking at the most is an Artec T19ARD. What are others using on their
net/notebooks ?

Here is a url for one.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...dlist=celebros

"Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:-5udncMR_PAyBKPXnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

> I am looking for opinions on a usb tv tuner to go with my netbook.
> The one I am looking at the most is an Artec T19ARD. What are others
> using on their net/notebooks ?
>
> Here is a url for one.
> http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...de=10008896&pr
> odlist=celebros
>
>
>
>
>

I have a Hauppauge DTV USB plug. It runs so hot you can't hold it in your
hand. It kills a full sized laptop battery in 40 minutes, rendering it
useless for watching TV unplugged. Don't buy a Hauppauge...it's crap!

Run whatever TV USB adapter you like for 60 minutes. Buy the one that gets
least warm and return the others to the store as crap....

The coolest one uses the least battery power....longest runtime.


--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

Be careful; NTSC is dead, and many (most? virtually all?) of the USB tv
tuners require a tremendous amount of decoding to be done by the CPU,
and have a minimum CPU requirement that is WAY above ANY CPUs present in
any netbooks. I have a Hauppauge 950Q, and it's fine for laptops that
have enough CPU to process the data, but the spec, at least, is a 1.8GHz
Centrino MINIMUM just to watch, and to record, a dual core.

Also keep in mind that you need to deal with 3 different standards:

NTSC ("old TV" ... now dead for over the air broadcasting, but still
used for some analog channels on some cable systems, and as an output
from VCRs and DVD players)

ATSC (aka over-the-air digital TV broadcasting)

QAM (Digital TV transmission (HD or not) over cable systems)

Ideally you want a device that can receive all 3 formats (which the 950Q
definitely can).

I really should try the 950Q on my Acer Aspire One. Even thought the
specs are not met (or even close), it might work. I do like how it
works on my Toshiba full size Core 2 Duo laptop, but I have just assumed
that it would not work on the netbook.


Ralph Mowery wrote:
> I am looking for opinions on a usb tv tuner to go with my netbook. The one
> I am looking at the most is an Artec T19ARD. What are others using on their
> net/notebooks ?
>
> Here is a url for one.
> http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...dlist=celebros
>

The mfgrs link for the Artec card is here:

http://www.artec.com.tw/ehtm/products/t19ar.htm

functionally and externally, it looks like the Hauppauge unit (mine also
gets hot, but not so hot that you can't hold it). But the specs on the
Artec unit suggest lower requirements from the host computer.

As to power consumption, the maximum you can draw from a USB port is 2.5
watts (5 volts at 500ma), which is 250 mah from a 10 volt battery. That
is about 7% of the capacity of a typical laptop battery, so it shouldn't
"kill" the battery life, although it's certainly not going to help it.
In any case, I have always presumed that watching TV was a "plugged in"
activity, which does not mean that there might not be times when you
might like to do it on battery.


Larry wrote:
> "Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:-5udncMR_PAyBKPXnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>
>> I am looking for opinions on a usb tv tuner to go with my netbook.
>> The one I am looking at the most is an Artec T19ARD. What are others
>> using on their net/notebooks ?
>>
>> Here is a url for one.
>> http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...de=10008896&pr
>> odlist=celebros
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> I have a Hauppauge DTV USB plug. It runs so hot you can't hold it in your
> hand. It kills a full sized laptop battery in 40 minutes, rendering it
> useless for watching TV unplugged. Don't buy a Hauppauge...it's crap!
>
> Run whatever TV USB adapter you like for 60 minutes. Buy the one that gets
> least warm and return the others to the store as crap....
>
> The coolest one uses the least battery power....longest runtime.
>
>

Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:h1mj4r$s5h$1
@news.eternal-september.org:

> functionally and externally, it looks like the Hauppauge unit (mine also
> gets hot, but not so hot that you can't hold it). But the specs on the
> Artec unit suggest lower requirements from the host computer.
>

Well, doesn't matter anyway. ATSC TV will NOT sync in a moving vehicle, no
matter who makes it...even if you're staring at the tower! Stop at
light...picture and sound come on perfect....Get up to 5mph pulling away
from light, picture locks until you stop again. Digital TV in the USA is
NOT mobile...I think on purpose! Isn't it a coincidence as soon as
sellphone companies started selling mobile TV for big profits, over-the-air
free TV stops working in mobile vehicles?

Livestation is better over a tethered sellphone data link.
www.livestation.com.



--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

I hate to put a damper on your conspiracy theories, but ATSC was
designed in the late 1980's and early 1990's. I don't think that their
impact on cell phones played any part whatsoever. The "digital
transition" that occurred last week was, at one time, scheduled to have
occurred in 1997. This system took a LONG time to get born. WAY too
long for it's design to have been influenced by concerns for ATSC's
impact on 3G cell phone video in 2009.


Larry wrote:
> Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:h1mj4r$s5h$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> functionally and externally, it looks like the Hauppauge unit (mine also
>> gets hot, but not so hot that you can't hold it). But the specs on the
>> Artec unit suggest lower requirements from the host computer.
>>
>
> Well, doesn't matter anyway. ATSC TV will NOT sync in a moving vehicle, no
> matter who makes it...even if you're staring at the tower! Stop at
> light...picture and sound come on perfect....Get up to 5mph pulling away
> from light, picture locks until you stop again. Digital TV in the USA is
> NOT mobile...I think on purpose! Isn't it a coincidence as soon as
> sellphone companies started selling mobile TV for big profits, over-the-air
> free TV stops working in mobile vehicles?
>
> Livestation is better over a tethered sellphone data link.
> www.livestation.com.
>
>
>

Barry Watzman wrote:
> The mfgrs link for the Artec card is here:
>
> http://www.artec.com.tw/ehtm/products/t19ar.htm
>
> functionally and externally, it looks like the Hauppauge unit (mine also
> gets hot, but not so hot that you can't hold it). But the specs on the
> Artec unit suggest lower requirements from the host computer.
>
> As to power consumption, the maximum you can draw from a USB port is 2.5
> watts (5 volts at 500ma)

You sure about that? That may be the spec..but...
I have an external usb hard drive. It reports to the system that it draws
100mA, but it trips the current limit when simultaneously hooked to
TWO usb ports. The drive itself is rated at 750mA.
Bottom line is that I don't think you can rely on the vendor to adhere
to the usb spec if it kills their product. YMMV.

, which is 250 mah from a 10 volt battery. That
> is about 7% of the capacity of a typical laptop battery, so it shouldn't
> "kill" the battery life, although it's certainly not going to help it.
> In any case, I have always presumed that watching TV was a "plugged in"
> activity, which does not mean that there might not be times when you
> might like to do it on battery.
>
>
> Larry wrote:
>> "Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> news:-5udncMR_PAyBKPXnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>> I am looking for opinions on a usb tv tuner to go with my netbook.
>>> The one I am looking at the most is an Artec T19ARD. What are others
>>> using on their net/notebooks ?
>>>
>>> Here is a url for one.
>>> http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...de=10008896&pr
>>> odlist=celebros
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have a Hauppauge DTV USB plug. It runs so hot you can't hold it in
>> your hand. It kills a full sized laptop battery in 40 minutes,
>> rendering it useless for watching TV unplugged. Don't buy a
>> Hauppauge...it's crap!
>>
>> Run whatever TV USB adapter you like for 60 minutes. Buy the one that
>> gets least warm and return the others to the store as crap....
>>
>> The coolest one uses the least battery power....longest runtime.
>>
>>

"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:h1mihn$mgh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Be careful; NTSC is dead, and many (most? virtually all?) of the USB tv
> tuners require a tremendous amount of decoding to be done by the CPU, and
> have a minimum CPU requirement that is WAY above ANY CPUs present in any
> netbooks. I have a Hauppauge 950Q, and it's fine for laptops that have
> enough CPU to process the data, but the spec, at least, is a 1.8GHz
> Centrino MINIMUM just to watch, and to record, a dual core.

Not sure that you are right because my Aldi USB digital TV unit works just
fine on my ASUS 1000H Netbook, I will admit I have not tried recording
though.

Cheers.

Pete

I didn't say ALL; but most of these devices use one of a small number of
chips and, in fact, many of them are identical. My comments can only be
strictly construed to apply to the Hauppauge 950Q. But the specs for
many (MANY; not ALL) other devices are similar and, as I noted, many of
them use the same chip(s) inside.


Pete D wrote:
> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:h1mihn$mgh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Be careful; NTSC is dead, and many (most? virtually all?) of the USB tv
>> tuners require a tremendous amount of decoding to be done by the CPU, and
>> have a minimum CPU requirement that is WAY above ANY CPUs present in any
>> netbooks. I have a Hauppauge 950Q, and it's fine for laptops that have
>> enough CPU to process the data, but the spec, at least, is a 1.8GHz
>> Centrino MINIMUM just to watch, and to record, a dual core.
>
> Not sure that you are right because my Aldi USB digital TV unit works just
> fine on my ASUS 1000H Netbook, I will admit I have not tried recording
> though.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Pete
>
>

"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:h1orjp$fqp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>I didn't say ALL; but most of these devices use one of a small number of
>chips and, in fact, many of them are identical. My comments can only be
>strictly construed to apply to the Hauppauge 950Q. But the specs for many
>(MANY; not ALL) other devices are similar and, as I noted, many of them use
>the same chip(s) inside.
>
>
> Pete D wrote:
>> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:h1mihn$mgh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Be careful; NTSC is dead, and many (most? virtually all?) of the USB tv
>>> tuners require a tremendous amount of decoding to be done by the CPU,
>>> and have a minimum CPU requirement that is WAY above ANY CPUs present in
>>> any netbooks. I have a Hauppauge 950Q, and it's fine for laptops that
>>> have enough CPU to process the data, but the spec, at least, is a 1.8GHz
>>> Centrino MINIMUM just to watch, and to record, a dual core.
>>
>> Not sure that you are right because my Aldi USB digital TV unit works
>> just fine on my ASUS 1000H Netbook, I will admit I have not tried
>> recording though.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Pete

Sorry I thought I read that you said "virtually all", my bad I guess.

"Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
news:4a3f72bc$0$2615$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>> Not sure that you are right because my Aldi USB digital TV unit works
>> just
> fine on my ASUS 1000H Netbook, I will admit I have not tried recording
> though.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Pete

I may should have mentioned I am in the United States. I did a search for
Aldi and it seems that most of the hits I found on Google was for another
country. If not what Aldi USB tuner modle are you using ?

Also not sure if I mentioned I was going to use it on an ASUS 1000HE.

Aldi is a German retailer (there could be another, unrelated Aldi as
well). Interestingly, they have a few US retail stores (Supermarkets)
in a few parts of the US (not widespread I don't think, but definitely
some in Ohio and PA and I think other parts of the NE and midwest as
well). Although it's a supermarket, they sell some strange stuff (for a
supermarket) at times, including computers among other things. Yes, in
the supermarket.


Ralph Mowery wrote:
> "Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
> news:4a3f72bc$0$2615$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> Not sure that you are right because my Aldi USB digital TV unit works
>>> just
>> fine on my ASUS 1000H Netbook, I will admit I have not tried recording
>> though.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Pete
>
> I may should have mentioned I am in the United States. I did a search for
> Aldi and it seems that most of the hits I found on Google was for another
> country. If not what Aldi USB tuner modle are you using ?
>
> Also not sure if I mentioned I was going to use it on an ASUS 1000HE.
>
>

"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:h1sl01$stt$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Aldi is a German retailer (there could be another, unrelated Aldi as
> well). Interestingly, they have a few US retail stores (Supermarkets) in
> a few parts of the US (not widespread I don't think, but definitely some
> in Ohio and PA and I think other parts of the NE and midwest as well).
> Although it's a supermarket, they sell some strange stuff (for a
> supermarket) at times, including computers among other things. Yes, in
> the supermarket.

Yes, Barry we have an Aldi a few miles form my house here in North Carolina.
I do not think I have ever been in there. I am thinking they do or used to
do some strange things such as having to have a quarter to put into a slot
to get a buggy for the grocerys and you get it back when you bring it back.
Atleast one store of somekind does from a report from the men at work.

All the Google places I looked at were outside the US and that does not do
me any good. That is why I wasnted teh specific modle number to see if it
was a US or another country he was using the Aldi in.

In news:Hs-dnfgOLJO4O9_XnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@earthlink.com,
Ralph Mowery typed on Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:19:38 -0500:
> Yes, Barry we have an Aldi a few miles form my house here in North
> Carolina. I do not think I have ever been in there. I am thinking
> they do or used to do some strange things such as having to have a
> quarter to put into a slot to get a buggy for the grocerys and you
> get it back when you bring it back. Atleast one store of somekind
> does from a report from the men at work.

Yes in the three states I have seen Aldi's, that is how it works (in the
Midwest). So if you want to steal an Aldi's cart, it will cost you 25¢.
Pain in the butt if you don't have a quarter on you though, even if you
just want to shop there. <sigh>

--
Bill
Windows XP Home SP3 (5.1.2600)
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC

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> In news:Hs-dnfgOLJO4O9_XnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@earthlink.com,
> Ralph Mowery typed on Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:19:38 -0500:
>> Yes, Barry we have an Aldi a few miles form my house here in North
>> Carolina. I do not think I have ever been in there. I am thinking
>> they do or used to do some strange things such as having to have a
>> quarter to put into a slot to get a buggy for the grocerys and you
>> get it back when you bring it back. Atleast one store of somekind
>> does from a report from the men at work.
>
> Yes in the three states I have seen Aldi's, that is how it works (in the
> Midwest). So if you want to steal an Aldi's cart, it will cost you 25¢.

The purpose of requiring a coin for cart isn't actually to decrease
temptation to steal carts but to encourage customers to bring carts back to
their place, instead of just abandoning them at parking lot after use. The
coin wouldn't be worth the cart, but it's more likely worth the bother to
bring the cart back.

P.V.