John Doue wrote:
> Larry wrote:
>> JessicaD <v-jedeen@microsoft.com> wrote in
>> news:a69c116c661475062432686c21643b0f@nntp-gateway.com:
>>
>>> Jed, Its fantastic that you are enjoying Windows 7 so much and that
>>> you had
>>> a great experience finding the drivers needed for your printer and other
>>> devices. Windows 7 offers many great features which I am sure you are
>>> discovering! To learn more about Windows 7 and some great tips / tricks,
>>> check out Microsoft Springboard.
>>> Also, side note to any user still running Windows 7 Beta, remember the
>>> Beta will begin to reboot every two hours starting July 1st. If you have
>>> not moved to the Win7 Release Candidate, please do so here: 'Windows 7
>>> Release Candidate' (http://tinyurl.com/cwl3fs)
>>> Jessica
>>> Microsoft Windows Client Team
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Why not wait a year for the really gross bugs to be found by the users
>> before jumping headlong into the same hole that Vista became.
>>
>> Wouldn't that make better sense?
>>
>>
>>
> Absolutely. I cannot begin to understand why users would rush to a new
> OS, unless they have a specific need that would fulfilled and that is
> not presently.
>
> This makes sense from people who, somehow need to get familiar with all
> new OSs coming on the market, for professional reasons. Otherwise, as
> long as you are happy with you presently system, just do yourself a
> favor, save some money, save time and keep it. If you cannot resist the
> urge, make sure you can revert simply to your present OS ...
> I believe Windows 7 will not bring anything important to Vista users: it
> looks much more attractive for people who decided to stay put with XP
> and need/want to upgrade.
>
Sorry for the typos, obviously, I was one cup of coffee short ...

--
John Doue

John Doue wrote:
> Larry wrote:
>> JessicaD <v-jedeen@microsoft.com> wrote in
>> news:a69c116c661475062432686c21643b0f@nntp-gateway.com:
>>
>>> Jed, Its fantastic that you are enjoying Windows 7 so much and that
>>> you had
>>> a great experience finding the drivers needed for your printer and other
>>> devices. Windows 7 offers many great features which I am sure you are
>>> discovering! To learn more about Windows 7 and some great tips / tricks,
>>> check out Microsoft Springboard.
>>> Also, side note to any user still running Windows 7 Beta, remember the
>>> Beta will begin to reboot every two hours starting July 1st. If you have
>>> not moved to the Win7 Release Candidate, please do so here: 'Windows 7
>>> Release Candidate' (http://tinyurl.com/cwl3fs)
>>> Jessica
>>> Microsoft Windows Client Team
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Why not wait a year for the really gross bugs to be found by the users
>> before jumping headlong into the same hole that Vista became.
>>
>> Wouldn't that make better sense?
>>
>>
>>
> Absolutely. I cannot begin to understand why users would rush to a new
> OS, unless they have a specific need that would fulfilled and that is
> not presently.
>
> This makes sense from people who, somehow need to get familiar with all
> new OSs coming on the market, for professional reasons. Otherwise, as
> long as you are happy with you presently system, just do yourself a
> favor, save some money, save time and keep it. If you cannot resist the
> urge, make sure you can revert simply to your present OS ...
> I believe Windows 7 will not bring anything important to Vista users: it
> looks much more attractive for people who decided to stay put with XP
> and need/want to upgrade.
>

That is IF you are talking about upgrading your OS.

The whole Vista downgrade to XP experience WILL NOT be an option on new
equipment from OEM's this time around.
I agree, if it ain't broke don't fix it... (BTW Vista is broke as a
joke and W7's code runs a lot faster)...

People still bring me PC's with W98 & ME on them all the time. There are
still tons of PC's running W2K (my favorite for corporations).

The corporate world is going to move to W7 in the next 2 years in a big
way, regardless of bugs. Not one major corporation or government entity,
made a full transition to Vista, although tons of Vista capable
equipment was deployed. The shift is going to happen. XP support (I am
talking security here, not talent) will terminate and corporate
compliance guidelines will not allow for it's use.

As a tech it behooves me to be familiar with the new OS. Business is
business and MS is going to shove the new OS down the user's throat.
Linux is still not ready for primetime in a corporate environment,
(well it is in my opinion, but the support staff isn't).

ThGG WILLIKERS wrote:
> John Doue wrote:
>> Larry wrote:
>>> JessicaD <v-jedeen@microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> news:a69c116c661475062432686c21643b0f@nntp-gateway.com:
>>>
>>>> Jed, Its fantastic that you are enjoying Windows 7 so much and that
>>>> you had
>>>> a great experience finding the drivers needed for your printer and
>>>> other
>>>> devices. Windows 7 offers many great features which I am sure you are
>>>> discovering! To learn more about Windows 7 and some great tips /
>>>> tricks,
>>>> check out Microsoft Springboard.
>>>> Also, side note to any user still running Windows 7 Beta, remember the
>>>> Beta will begin to reboot every two hours starting July 1st. If you
>>>> have
>>>> not moved to the Win7 Release Candidate, please do so here: 'Windows 7
>>>> Release Candidate' (http://tinyurl.com/cwl3fs)
>>>> Jessica
>>>> Microsoft Windows Client Team
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why not wait a year for the really gross bugs to be found by the
>>> users before jumping headlong into the same hole that Vista became.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't that make better sense?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Absolutely. I cannot begin to understand why users would rush to a new
>> OS, unless they have a specific need that would fulfilled and that is
>> not presently.
>>
>> This makes sense from people who, somehow need to get familiar with
>> all new OSs coming on the market, for professional reasons. Otherwise,
>> as long as you are happy with you presently system, just do yourself a
>> favor, save some money, save time and keep it. If you cannot resist
>> the urge, make sure you can revert simply to your present OS ...
>> I believe Windows 7 will not bring anything important to Vista users:
>> it looks much more attractive for people who decided to stay put with
>> XP and need/want to upgrade.
>>
>
> That is IF you are talking about upgrading your OS.
>
> The whole Vista downgrade to XP experience WILL NOT be an option on new
> equipment from OEM's this time around.
> I agree, if it ain't broke don't fix it... (BTW Vista is broke as a
> joke and W7's code runs a lot faster)...
>
> People still bring me PC's with W98 & ME on them all the time. There are
> still tons of PC's running W2K (my favorite for corporations).
>
> The corporate world is going to move to W7 in the next 2 years in a big
> way, regardless of bugs. Not one major corporation or government entity,
> made a full transition to Vista, although tons of Vista capable
> equipment was deployed. The shift is going to happen. XP support (I am
> talking security here, not talent) will terminate and corporate
> compliance guidelines will not allow for it's use.
>
> As a tech it behooves me to be familiar with the new OS. Business is
> business and MS is going to shove the new OS down the user's throat.
> Linux is still not ready for primetime in a corporate environment,
> (well it is in my opinion, but the support staff isn't).
The thread being about upgrading, your first sentence is unnecessary.

I tend to agree with you about businesses moving to W7, but I am not
sure they feel such a need to rush they would pay no attention to bugs
.... The fact lots of them still use W2K is telling.

Is there anything W7 brings that XP does not, AND that is really needed?
I believe MS rushed to patch the Vista disaster. And they certainly did
not have time for much more than that. Is W7 anything more than a
watered down Vista version?

You certainly need to get to know every OS. But when when you say, MS is
going to shove it down users'throat, nothing new here! It is up to us
who don't really need a new OS to resist the urge to spend money on
unnecessary upgrades and to waste the corresponding time.
--
John Doue

John Doue wrote:
> ThGG WILLIKERS wrote:
>> John Doue wrote:
>>> Larry wrote:
>>>> JessicaD <v-jedeen@microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>> news:a69c116c661475062432686c21643b0f@nntp-gateway.com:
>>>>
>>>>> Jed, Its fantastic that you are enjoying Windows 7 so much and that
>>>>> you had
>>>>> a great experience finding the drivers needed for your printer and
>>>>> other
>>>>> devices. Windows 7 offers many great features which I am sure you are
>>>>> discovering! To learn more about Windows 7 and some great tips /
>>>>> tricks,
>>>>> check out Microsoft Springboard.
>>>>> Also, side note to any user still running Windows 7 Beta, remember the
>>>>> Beta will begin to reboot every two hours starting July 1st. If you
>>>>> have
>>>>> not moved to the Win7 Release Candidate, please do so here: 'Windows 7
>>>>> Release Candidate' (http://tinyurl.com/cwl3fs)
>>>>> Jessica
>>>>> Microsoft Windows Client Team
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why not wait a year for the really gross bugs to be found by the
>>>> users before jumping headlong into the same hole that Vista became.
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't that make better sense?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Absolutely. I cannot begin to understand why users would rush to a
>>> new OS, unless they have a specific need that would fulfilled and
>>> that is not presently.
>>>
>>> This makes sense from people who, somehow need to get familiar with
>>> all new OSs coming on the market, for professional reasons.
>>> Otherwise, as long as you are happy with you presently system, just
>>> do yourself a favor, save some money, save time and keep it. If you
>>> cannot resist the urge, make sure you can revert simply to your
>>> present OS ...
>>> I believe Windows 7 will not bring anything important to Vista users:
>>> it looks much more attractive for people who decided to stay put with
>>> XP and need/want to upgrade.
>>>
>>
>> That is IF you are talking about upgrading your OS.
>>
>> The whole Vista downgrade to XP experience WILL NOT be an option on
>> new equipment from OEM's this time around.
>> I agree, if it ain't broke don't fix it... (BTW Vista is broke as a
>> joke and W7's code runs a lot faster)...
>>
>> People still bring me PC's with W98 & ME on them all the time. There
>> are still tons of PC's running W2K (my favorite for corporations).
>>
>> The corporate world is going to move to W7 in the next 2 years in a
>> big way, regardless of bugs. Not one major corporation or government
>> entity, made a full transition to Vista, although tons of Vista
>> capable equipment was deployed. The shift is going to happen. XP
>> support (I am talking security here, not talent) will terminate and
>> corporate compliance guidelines will not allow for it's use.
>>
>> As a tech it behooves me to be familiar with the new OS. Business is
>> business and MS is going to shove the new OS down the user's throat.
>> Linux is still not ready for primetime in a corporate environment,
>> (well it is in my opinion, but the support staff isn't).
> The thread being about upgrading, your first sentence is unnecessary.
>
> I tend to agree with you about businesses moving to W7, but I am not
> sure they feel such a need to rush they would pay no attention to bugs
> ... The fact lots of them still use W2K is telling.
>
> Is there anything W7 brings that XP does not, AND that is really needed?
> I believe MS rushed to patch the Vista disaster. And they certainly did
> not have time for much more than that. Is W7 anything more than a
> watered down Vista version?
>
> You certainly need to get to know every OS. But when when you say, MS is
> going to shove it down users'throat, nothing new here! It is up to us
> who don't really need a new OS to resist the urge to spend money on
> unnecessary upgrades and to waste the corresponding time.

Licensing and revenue across the board will be what drive W2K and XP
to their demise in the corporate realm. (Compliance).
The bugs are certainly a huge factor. I work for corporations that are
still trying to make their proprietary apps work properly with XP (10
years). Most bugs are generated by poorly written third party apps and
sloppy code. This part of computing and programming will never go away.
(Job Security).
I do believe a tremendous amount of programmers will have their work cut
out for them though.

I will say that everything that runs on my XP machine program wise,
has worked on W7 so far. So far.


Just a side note: Installing XP on the beefed up Vista systems (usually
duoCore w/ 3 gigs RAM) has really been a blast. ("Oh yes ma'am your
computer is definitely gonna run a bit faster")
I actually like XP for our corporate installs and don't believe that a
corporate environment needs the overhead of Vista or W7.
Every environment is unique. We still have images that have the friggin'
little search dog, and the Outlook helper cartoons on them.

With that I think it is time to throw the RC on the Dell D620 (has W7
beta now). I think I will try my spare Dell C400 (P3 1.4 w/ 1gig ram)
and see what happens.

John Doue <notwobe******.com> wrote:

>I cannot begin to understand why users would rush to a new
>OS, unless they have a specific need that would fulfilled and that is
>not presently.

Sometimes it is not a *need* but a *want*. Many people rush to be the
first to have something new. New Ipod, new Palm, and a new OS. I
remember the news coverage of people waiting in line at midnight just
so that they could buy a copy of W95 when it was released. Not me
though, I generally wait at least a week... ;)

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in news:Xns9C28E02DCD623noonehomecom@
74.209.131.13:

> Why not wait a year for the really gross bugs to be found by the users
> before jumping headlong into the same hole that Vista became.
>
> Wouldn't that make better sense?
>


OTOH, another way of looking at it is that Win7 is the bug-fix for Vista.

dg1261 wrote:
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in news:Xns9C28E02DCD623noonehomecom@
> 74.209.131.13:
>
>> Why not wait a year for the really gross bugs to be found by the users
>> before jumping headlong into the same hole that Vista became.
>>
>> Wouldn't that make better sense?
>>
>
>
> OTOH, another way of looking at it is that Win7 is the bug-fix for Vista.
>
>
That was pretty much my impression after using it.

GG WILLIKERS <noone@youknow.com> wrote in news:h109jk$jhn$1@news.eternal-
september.org:

> People still bring me PC's with W98 & ME on them all the time. There are
> still tons of PC's running W2K (my favorite for corporations).
>

I missed ME, 2K and still have stuff running on the W98SE machine. It dual
boots with Ubuntu Linux but Win98SE is still on it for some things.

This bleeding edge personal need to be the one standing at the head of the
iPhone line to get the first one of something everyone KNOWS is going to be
just horrible until the first couple of service packs come out is a
fascinating phychology class....



--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

GG WILLIKERS <noone@youknow.com> wrote in news:h10oep$8ua$1@news.eternal-
september.org:

> Just a side note: Installing XP on the beefed up Vista systems (usually
> duoCore w/ 3 gigs RAM) has really been a blast. ("Oh yes ma'am your
> computer is definitely gonna run a bit faster")
> I actually like XP for our corporate installs and don't believe that a
> corporate environment needs the overhead of Vista or W7.
> Every environment is unique. We still have images that have the friggin'
> little search dog, and the Outlook helper cartoons on them.
>
>

While you're upgrading something to something new, plug in a 720K floppy
drive and install DOS 3.3 on one of these new supermachines.

With no fluff, whatsoever, DOS 3.3 is one haulin' ass operating system on a
3Ghz multicore processor it mostly can't use.....



--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

AJL <5@fakeaddress.com> wrote in news:qv9835lchi6t8rus25to7v308hnp9glk5d@
4ax.com:

> John Doue <notwobe******.com> wrote:
>
>>I cannot begin to understand why users would rush to a new
>>OS, unless they have a specific need that would fulfilled and that is
>>not presently.
>
> Sometimes it is not a *need* but a *want*. Many people rush to be the
> first to have something new. New Ipod, new Palm, and a new OS. I
> remember the news coverage of people waiting in line at midnight just
> so that they could buy a copy of W95 when it was released. Not me
> though, I generally wait at least a week... ;)
>

I have that problem, myself.....

This week I "wanted" to fix my Digital Mind Corp Xclef 500 120GB MP3
player. After 16 years, the lithium ion cell that runs it finally
croaked....(c;] She'll be back online by Wednesday. Tuesday, I'm buying
my 1973 Mercedes-Benz 220D sedan some "new brakes". The shiny wore off the
old brakes. It runs on a mixture of 1 part mineral spirits simply mixed
with 50 parts of filtered vegetable oil I get free from Chinese
restaurants.....all very high tech....



--
-----
Larry

If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?

"AJL" <5@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> Sometimes it is not a *need* but a *want*. Many people rush to be the
> first to have something new. New Ipod, new Palm, and a new OS. I
> remember the news coverage of people waiting in line at midnight just
> so that they could buy a copy of W95 when it was released. Not me
> though, I generally wait at least a week... ;)

Early adapters have their social value by creating buzz around gadgets
that speeds their wider acceptance by the public. That in turn helps the
industry and reduces the per-unit cost eventually.
pj

P J wrote:
> "AJL" <5@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> > Sometimes it is not a *need* but a *want*. Many people rush to be the
>> first to have something new. New Ipod, new Palm, and a new OS. I
>> remember the news coverage of people waiting in line at midnight just
>> so that they could buy a copy of W95 when it was released. Not me
>> though, I generally wait at least a week... ;)
>
> Early adapters have their social value by creating buzz around gadgets
> that speeds their wider acceptance by the public. That in turn helps the
> industry and reduces the per-unit cost eventually.
> pj

Label Eventually (unless i caan get it off ebay cheap)

Larry wrote:
> GG WILLIKERS <noone@youknow.com> wrote in news:h10oep$8ua$1@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>> Just a side note: Installing XP on the beefed up Vista systems (usually
>> duoCore w/ 3 gigs RAM) has really been a blast. ("Oh yes ma'am your
>> computer is definitely gonna run a bit faster")
>> I actually like XP for our corporate installs and don't believe that a
>> corporate environment needs the overhead of Vista or W7.
>> Every environment is unique. We still have images that have the friggin'
>> little search dog, and the Outlook helper cartoons on them.
>>
>>
>
> While you're upgrading something to something new, plug in a 720K floppy
> drive and install DOS 3.3 on one of these new supermachines.
>
> With no fluff, whatsoever, DOS 3.3 is one haulin' ass operating system on a
> 3Ghz multicore processor it mostly can't use.....
>
>
>
I would settle for 6.2 ...

--
John Doue

Larry wrote:
> AJL <5@fakeaddress.com> wrote in news:qv9835lchi6t8rus25to7v308hnp9glk5d@
> 4ax.com:
>
>> John Doue <notwobe******.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I cannot begin to understand why users would rush to a new
>>> OS, unless they have a specific need that would fulfilled and that is
>>> not presently.
>> Sometimes it is not a *need* but a *want*. Many people rush to be the
>> first to have something new. New Ipod, new Palm, and a new OS. I
>> remember the news coverage of people waiting in line at midnight just
>> so that they could buy a copy of W95 when it was released. Not me
>> though, I generally wait at least a week... ;)
>>
>
> I have that problem, myself.....
>
> This week I "wanted" to fix my Digital Mind Corp Xclef 500 120GB MP3
> player. After 16 years, the lithium ion cell that runs it finally
> croaked....(c;] She'll be back online by Wednesday. Tuesday, I'm buying
> my 1973 Mercedes-Benz 220D sedan some "new brakes". The shiny wore off the
> old brakes. It runs on a mixture of 1 part mineral spirits simply mixed
> with 50 parts of filtered vegetable oil I get free from Chinese
> restaurants.....all very high tech....
>
>
>
How many fries per gallon do you get?

--
John Doue

"John Doue" <notwobe******.com> wrote:
> I would settle for 6.2 ...

Hear, hear! Believe it or not, I am still running DOS 6.2 in a dual boot
partition because of an old home automation app I could not find a
decent Windows version for.
pj