In news:U9PIl.87027$GU6.14111@newsfe09.iad,
Barry Watzman typed on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:55:00 -0400:
> Re: "Well after the external video jack (which is analog video), it
> gets converted to digital and fed to the LCD display."
>
> This is a driver issue, but that explanation of how things work is
> wrong (although irrelevant to the issue). The digital video is
> produced natively. The analog video is then produced from that. Not
> the other way around.

But Pete (the OP), also stated on the 23rd that he booted up with :
"TuffTest Pro (http://www.tufftest.com/ttp01.htm) that is self-booting,
operating system independent and never goes anywhere near Windows". So
how can it be a Windows driver issue if the problem still exists without
Windows?

And it is converted to digital, to analog, and back partially into
digital (a mix of the two). Same thing happens when you plug into an
external LCD monitor as well. As the pixels live in a digital matrix,
while the contrast is controlled by analog means.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2

"Pete Zahut" <dont@bother> wrote in message
news:9qidnbzMK-EsA2zUnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@bt.com...
> Paul wrote:
>> Pete Zahut wrote:
>>> Got the above laptop and it's just developed a problem with the
>>> screen/display - there's a 65mm column at the right-hand side of the
>>> display that's gone dark. Applications open up properly and you can
>>> see the whole width of the app, but it doesn't go the whole width of
>>> the screen - sort of full display but not full screen if you see
>>> what I mean. Also, don't know if it's relevant or not but the
>>> taskbar at the bottom seems to be twice as tall as normal and isn't
>>> drag-able back to it's usual size - cursor also distorts in this
>>> area. I'm not explaining it very well, so have a look at this photo:
>>>
>>> http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...nt=laptop1.jpg
>>>
>>> At first I thought it may be a display driver issue but I've
>>> uninstalled and reinstalled without success. I've also used a
>>> program called #1-TuffTest Pro (http://www.tufftest.com/ttp01.htm)
>>> that is self-booting, operating system independent and never goes
>>> anywhere near Windows, but shows the same results, so I would say
>>> that that rules out any Windows driver issues. Picture of that test
>>> here:
>>> http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...nt=laptop2.jpg
>>>
>>> Any ideas what's wrong and how to fix it?
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> Pete
>>
>> Have you done a graphics driver update recently ?
>
> No - uninstalled and reinstalled driver to try to fix the problem, but not
> updated.
>
>> It looks like a mismatch, between the actual LCD panel,
>> and what the software thinks it is driving.
>>
>> Paul
>
> Yeah, I'd agree with you there Paul - except for the fact that I've even
> used the Recovery CD/Partition to restore the laptop to the state it was
> in when it left the factory and the display is still faulty even then.
>


Ok the way to tell if its hardware or software causing the problem is when
the machine starts to boot drop into the BIOS whatever it is for your
laptop, F2 for Dells , Del for some others but anyway whatever it is for
your machine. If the problem is there in when you look in the BIOS its the
LCD panel or Cable or Motherboard port. IF it's not there then it's a
driver/application, error. Of course you could also connect it to an
external monitor and again if its there then its the grapghics card or
motherboard port or software/drivers and if its not there then it's the LCD
or cable

Paul wrote:
> Pete Zahut wrote:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> In news:Ia-dnXKVIM0nuG7UnZ2dnUVZ8oKdnZ2d@bt.com,
>>> Pete Zahut typed on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:01:12 +0100:
>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>> In news:dLudnVzWl4cdnW7UnZ2dnUVZ8tqdnZ2d@bt.com,
>>>>> Pete Zahut typed on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:22:24 +0100:
>>>>>> Pete Zahut wrote:
>>>>>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In news:29OdnZ-joswuWW3UnZ2dnUVZ8uqdnZ2d@bt.com,
>>>>>>>> Pete Zahut typed on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:42:46 +0100:
>>>>>>>>> Got the above laptop and it's just developed a problem with
>>>>>>>>> the screen/display - there's a 65mm column at the right-hand
>>>>>>>>> side of the display that's gone dark. Applications open up
>>>>>>>>> properly and you can see the whole width of the app, but it
>>>>>>>>> doesn't go the whole width of the screen - sort of full
>>>>>>>>> display but not full screen if you see what I mean. Also,
>>>>>>>>> don't know if it's relevant or not but the taskbar at the
>>>>>>>>> bottom seems to be twice as tall as normal and isn't
>>>>>>>>> drag-able back to it's usual size - cursor also distorts in
>>>>>>>>> this area. I'm not explaining it very well, so have a look at
>>>>>>>>> this photo:
>>>>>>>>> http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...nt=laptop1.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At first I thought it may be a display driver issue but I've
>>>>>>>>> uninstalled and reinstalled without success. I've also used a
>>>>>>>>> program called #1-TuffTest Pro
>>>>>>>>> (http://www.tufftest.com/ttp01.htm) that is self-booting,
>>>>>>>>> operating system independent and never goes anywhere near
>>>>>>>>> Windows, but shows the same results, so I would say that that
>>>>>>>>> rules out any Windows driver issues. Picture of that test
>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>> http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...nt=laptop2.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any ideas what's wrong and how to fix it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>>>> Hi Pete! Wow that is weird. An external monitor I can see this
>>>>>>>> happening. Internal monitor, I never saw this. Any chance you
>>>>>>>> can hook it up to an external? I suspect the same result.
>>>>>>>> Although you may adjust it to display correctly. In either
>>>>>>>> case, I believe you have to take it in for service. It is
>>>>>>>> still under warrantee, right?
>>>>>>> I haven't as yet hooked it up to an external monitor, but will
>>>>>>> do later today when I have chance, and let you know what I find.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, it's not in warranty so whatever it is, I'll have
>>>>>>> to pay for the repair if it's a hardware fault :o(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Bill
>>>>>> Bill (and anyone else who's interested, of course), further to
>>>>>> the above I've now hooked it up to an external monitor and the
>>>>>> display on the external monitor is perfect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Photo at
>>>>>> http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...t=laptop2a.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't know what that means though :o(
>>>>> Hi Pete! Well now we know. I doubt this laptop has a separate
>>>>> video card and it is all on the motherboard. If somebody knows
>>>>> differently, please let us know. Wait... I found a picture of the
>>>>> motherboard...
>>>>> http://www.notebooksolutions.ca/zc/i...oducts_id=2775
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, it looks like it is on the motherboard to me. Well after the
>>>>> external video jack (which is analog video), it gets converted to
>>>>> digital and fed to the LCD display. So we are talking about the
>>>>> motherboard, ribbon cable, and the LCD display itself. And I don't
>>>>> think it could be the last two, but I could be wrong. So that is
>>>>> what I think anyway.
>>>> Thanks for that Bill, looks like a very expensive repair that isn't
>>>> really worth it - not yet anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers my friend,
>>>>
>>>> Pete
>>> Hi Pete! Well another ribbon cable should be cheap enough to try. I
>>> don't think it is that though. If it were me, I would find one on
>>> eBay working or with some other problem. Best if the other problem
>>> wasn't something wrong with the motherboard. That way you could
>>> swap parts until you find out which one of the three it was. I
>>> really think it is the motherboard though.
>>>
>>> I don't know what you want to do with it. But if you are not
>>> interested in it, I would sell it or something. As somebody can use
>>> it as is or with an external monitor. Or even fix it. <grin>
>>
>> Oh I'll keep it, it's quite useable as it is, just annoying :o)
>
> When you bought the laptop, the panel may have been declared as
> "1440x900" or the like. What does the control panel currently claim for
> the
> resolution setting ?

Actually the laptop belongs to my niece (or it did until recently when she
decided to get a new one and gave this one to me :o)) so I don't know what
it was declared as when new. When I look in Control Panel, there's a choice
of only two resolutions, 800x600 and 1024x768. There's a tick-box with the
words "Hide resolutions that this panel cannot display" (or something to
that effect) and there is currently a tick in that box. When I deselect that
choice, other resolutions become available, but selecting any of them makes
no change to the width of the display - that 65mm strip of "darkness" is
still there.

Do you see any "tearing" in the screen, as if
> there is resampling of the image, in order to squish it into a
> smaller area on the screen ?

No

> Do the resolution numbers add up ?
>
> Another test you can try, is to boot a Linux LiveCD and do some
> testing there. If the same weird effect is present, then the problem
> is hardware (panel doing something it shouldn't). If the machine
> appears to work normally, running something like Knoppix Linux, then
> that would suggest the driver is doing something strange in Windows.

I tried a Linux LiveCD as you suggested Paul and there's no change, the
problem is still there - so it's hardware then. Oh dear :o(

Cheers mate,

Pete

Barry Watzman wrote:
> Re: "Got the above laptop and it's just developed a problem with the
> screen/display - there's a 65mm column at the right-hand side of the
> display that's gone dark. Applications open up properly and you can
> see the whole width of the app, but it doesn't go the whole width of
> the screen - sort of full display but not full screen if you see what
> I mean."
> That is a driver problem. As an example, if I move a hard drive from
> a Toshiba 1415 to a 2415 (or vice-versa), I have seen the same
> problem. Sometimes reinstalling the driver fixes it, sometimes I have
> to reinstall WINDOWS. The 1415 and 2415 are substantially identical
> computers but one has a Celeron and the other a full Pentium 4. No
> explanation, but it's a driver issue (the resolution is set to an odd
> [TRULY odd] value and cannot be reset to the correct value).
>
>
> Pete Zahut wrote:
>> Pete Zahut wrote:
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> In news:29OdnZ-joswuWW3UnZ2dnUVZ8uqdnZ2d@bt.com,
>>>> Pete Zahut typed on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:42:46 +0100:
>>>>> Got the above laptop and it's just developed a problem with the
>>>>> screen/display - there's a 65mm column at the right-hand side of
>>>>> the display that's gone dark. Applications open up properly and
>>>>> you can see the whole width of the app, but it doesn't go the
>>>>> whole width of the screen - sort of full display but not full
>>>>> screen if you see what I mean. Also, don't know if it's relevant
>>>>> or not but the taskbar at the bottom seems to be twice as tall as
>>>>> normal and isn't drag-able back to it's usual size - cursor also
>>>>> distorts in this area. I'm not explaining it very well, so have a
>>>>> look at this photo:
>>>>> http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...nt=laptop1.jpg
>>>>>

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
>>>>> At first I thought it may be a display driver issue but I've
>>>>> uninstalled and reinstalled without success. I've also used a
>>>>> program called #1-TuffTest Pro (http://www.tufftest.com/ttp01.htm)
>>>>> that is self-booting, operating system independent and never goes
>>>>> anywhere near Windows, but shows the same results, so I would say
>>>>> that that rules out any Windows driver issues. Picture of that
>>>>> test here:
>>>>> http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...nt=laptop2.jpg
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas what's wrong and how to fix it?
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA,
>>>> Hi Pete! Wow that is weird. An external monitor I can see this
>>>> happening. Internal monitor, I never saw this. Any chance you can
>>>> hook it up to an external? I suspect the same result. Although you
>>>> may adjust it to display correctly. In either case, I believe you
>>>> have to take it in for service. It is still under warrantee, right?
>>> I haven't as yet hooked it up to an external monitor, but will do
>>> later today when I have chance, and let you know what I find.
>>> Unfortunately, it's not in warranty so whatever it is, I'll have to
>>> pay for the repair if it's a hardware fault :o(
>>>
>>> Thanks Bill
>>
>> Bill (and anyone else who's interested, of course), further to the
>> above I've now hooked it up to an external monitor and the display
>> on the external monitor is perfect.
>>
>> Photo at
>> http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...t=laptop2a.jpg
>>
>> Don't know what that means though :o(
>>
>> Pete

Problem is though Barry, I've tried it outside of Windows as I explain above
(delineated with &&&&&). I also get the same result if I just go into the
BIOS at bootup or run a Linux LiveCD as suggested by Paul, so I'm
unfortunately resigned to it being an expensive hardware problem now. Thanks
anyway mate.

Pete

Fixer wrote:
> "Pete Zahut" <dont@bother> wrote in message
> news:9qidnbzMK-EsA2zUnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Paul wrote:
>>> Pete Zahut wrote:
>>>> Got the above laptop and it's just developed a problem with the
>>>> screen/display - there's a 65mm column at the right-hand side of
>>>> the display that's gone dark. Applications open up properly and
>>>> you can see the whole width of the app, but it doesn't go the
>>>> whole width of the screen - sort of full display but not full
>>>> screen if you see what I mean. Also, don't know if it's relevant
>>>> or not but the taskbar at the bottom seems to be twice as tall as
>>>> normal and isn't drag-able back to it's usual size - cursor also
>>>> distorts in this area. I'm not explaining it very well, so have a
>>>> look at this photo:
>>>> http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...nt=laptop1.jpg
>>>>
>>>> At first I thought it may be a display driver issue but I've
>>>> uninstalled and reinstalled without success. I've also used a
>>>> program called #1-TuffTest Pro (http://www.tufftest.com/ttp01.htm)
>>>> that is self-booting, operating system independent and never goes
>>>> anywhere near Windows, but shows the same results, so I would say
>>>> that that rules out any Windows driver issues. Picture of that test
>>>> here:
>>>> http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...nt=laptop2.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas what's wrong and how to fix it?
>>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>>
>>>> Pete
>>>
>>> Have you done a graphics driver update recently ?
>>
>> No - uninstalled and reinstalled driver to try to fix the problem,
>> but not updated.
>>
>>> It looks like a mismatch, between the actual LCD panel,
>>> and what the software thinks it is driving.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> Yeah, I'd agree with you there Paul - except for the fact that I've
>> even used the Recovery CD/Partition to restore the laptop to the
>> state it was in when it left the factory and the display is still
>> faulty even then.
>
>
> Ok the way to tell if its hardware or software causing the problem
> is when the machine starts to boot drop into the BIOS whatever it is
> for your laptop, F2 for Dells , Del for some others but anyway
> whatever it is for your machine. If the problem is there in when you
> look in the BIOS its the LCD panel or Cable or Motherboard port. IF
> it's not there then it's a driver/application, error. Of course you
> could also connect it to an external monitor and again if its there
> then its the grapghics card or motherboard port or software/drivers
> and if its not there then it's the LCD or cable

Thanks Fixer. The problem is still there when looking in the BIOS and even
when running a Linux LiveCD so it's not a Windows driver issue. The problem
is *NOT* there when viewing on an external monitor, so thanks to your
suggestions I'll try a new screen cable first as that's the cheapest :o)

Thanks mate,

Pete

Can you post a screen shot of what the BIOS looks like?

Is there any chance that at some point someone replaced the LCD panel
with a different model?

Pete Zahut wrote:
>
> Thanks Fixer. The problem is still there when looking in the BIOS and even
> when running a Linux LiveCD so it's not a Windows driver issue. The problem
> is *NOT* there when viewing on an external monitor, so thanks to your
> suggestions I'll try a new screen cable first as that's the cheapest :o)
>
> Thanks mate,
>
> Pete
>
>

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:44:03 +0100, "Pete Zahut"
<dont@bother> wrote:


>> When you bought the laptop, the panel may have been declared as
>> "1440x900" or the like. What does the control panel currently claim for
>> the
>> resolution setting ?
>
>Actually the laptop belongs to my niece (or it did until recently when she
>decided to get a new one and gave this one to me :o)) so I don't know what
>it was declared as when new. When I look in Control Panel, there's a choice
>of only two resolutions, 800x600 and 1024x768. There's a tick-box with the
>words "Hide resolutions that this panel cannot display" (or something to
>that effect) and there is currently a tick in that box. When I deselect that
>choice, other resolutions become available, but selecting any of them makes
>no change to the width of the display - that 65mm strip of "darkness" is
>still there.

You need to uninstall (if one is installed) the video driver
then reinstall it again. It may be found on Acer's site or
Intels. I'd go with Intel's since it is probably newer.
Appears to be Intel 950 video.

Because the driver is not working if present at all, you
won't have the 1280x800 resolution needed. It appears then
that what you see on the right side is simply 1280-1024=256
unused columns of pixels.


>> Another test you can try, is to boot a Linux LiveCD and do some
>> testing there. If the same weird effect is present, then the problem
>> is hardware (panel doing something it shouldn't). If the machine
>> appears to work normally, running something like Knoppix Linux, then
>> that would suggest the driver is doing something strange in Windows.
>
>I tried a Linux LiveCD as you suggested Paul and there's no change, the
>problem is still there - so it's hardware then. Oh dear :o(

This is not proof it is hardware, the LiveCD may simply lack
support for the Intel GMA video it appears to use. The bios
is the wild-card, it should fill the whole screen but
because it doesn't offer the native resolution in windows
there does seem to be a driver problem.

One last thought, is it possible the screen on this laptop
has been replaced (presumably due to damage) with the wrong
one?

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:44:06 -0500, "BillW50"
<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:U9PIl.87027$GU6.14111@newsfe09.iad,
>Barry Watzman typed on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:55:00 -0400:
>> Re: "Well after the external video jack (which is analog video), it
>> gets converted to digital and fed to the LCD display."
>>
>> This is a driver issue, but that explanation of how things work is
>> wrong (although irrelevant to the issue). The digital video is
>> produced natively. The analog video is then produced from that. Not
>> the other way around.
>
>But Pete (the OP), also stated on the 23rd that he booted up with :
>"TuffTest Pro (http://www.tufftest.com/ttp01.htm) that is self-booting,
>operating system independent and never goes anywhere near Windows". So
>how can it be a Windows driver issue if the problem still exists without
>Windows?

Becaues the display adapter isn't stretching non-native
resolutions to fill the entirety of the screen, instead it
is keeping the correct aspect ratio and upsampling.



>
>And it is converted to digital, to analog, and back partially into
>digital (a mix of the two). Same thing happens when you plug into an
>external LCD monitor as well. As the pixels live in a digital matrix,
>while the contrast is controlled by analog means.

It is not converted to analog and then back to digital. It
starts digital and stays digital to output to the LCD panel
built in, or is converted to analog for the output to an
external monitor.

Barry Watzman wrote:
> Can you post a screen shot of what the BIOS looks like?

Photo of BIOS screen here:

http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...=lappyBIOS.jpg

> Is there any chance that at some point someone replaced the LCD panel
> with a different model?

Just asked my niece and she said no, it's never had a replacement LCD panel.

Pete.

> Pete Zahut wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Fixer. The problem is still there when looking in the BIOS
>> and even when running a Linux LiveCD so it's not a Windows driver
>> issue. The problem is *NOT* there when viewing on an external
>> monitor, so thanks to your suggestions I'll try a new screen cable
>> first as that's the cheapest :o) Thanks mate,
>>
>> Pete

PS, just flashed BIOS from V2.90 to 3.60 and VGA BIOS from Intel V1264 to
V1377 - but no different.

Pete Zahut wrote:
> Barry Watzman wrote:
>> Can you post a screen shot of what the BIOS looks like?
>
> Photo of BIOS screen here:
>
> http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...=lappyBIOS.jpg
>
>> Is there any chance that at some point someone replaced the LCD panel
>> with a different model?
>
> Just asked my niece and she said no, it's never had a replacement LCD
> panel.
> Pete.
>
>> Pete Zahut wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Fixer. The problem is still there when looking in the BIOS
>>> and even when running a Linux LiveCD so it's not a Windows driver
>>> issue. The problem is *NOT* there when viewing on an external
>>> monitor, so thanks to your suggestions I'll try a new screen cable
>>> first as that's the cheapest :o) Thanks mate,
>>>
>>> Pete

Well, I take back what I said about it being a driver issue. It's
clearly a hardware issue. Any chance that it was flashed with the wrong
bios or that someone changed the LCD panel?


Pete Zahut wrote:
> Barry Watzman wrote:
>> Can you post a screen shot of what the BIOS looks like?
>
> Photo of BIOS screen here:
>
> http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...=lappyBIOS.jpg
>
>> Is there any chance that at some point someone replaced the LCD panel
>> with a different model?
>
> Just asked my niece and she said no, it's never had a replacement LCD panel.
>
> Pete.
>
>> Pete Zahut wrote:
>>> Thanks Fixer. The problem is still there when looking in the BIOS
>>> and even when running a Linux LiveCD so it's not a Windows driver
>>> issue. The problem is *NOT* there when viewing on an external
>>> monitor, so thanks to your suggestions I'll try a new screen cable
>>> first as that's the cheapest :o) Thanks mate,
>>>
>>> Pete
>
>

Pete Zahut wrote:
> PS, just flashed BIOS from V2.90 to 3.60 and VGA BIOS from Intel V1264 to
> V1377 - but no different.
>

If you run the monitor info program here, without the external monitor
connected, and with just the internal LCD panel, does it say the
panel is 1280 x 800 ? An EDID might be a way for the laptop
manufacturer, to provide plug and play info about the panel,
its native size and resolutions. Not having an EDID on some
I2C bus, is not the end of the world, and is not a defect.

http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm

This article mentions that the BIOS can declare some info
about the panel, using an ACPI entry. The BIOS passes ACPI tables
to the operating system. You can look in Device Manager, or
alternately, use Everest Free Edition, to dump a text file
with a lot of that stuff.

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/archiv...ledisplay.mspx

http://majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

I also noticed, when looking at the Intel driver on the
Acer 5630 download page (acer.co.uk), that it has an option
to define the resolution and refresh rate during installation.
Which is a pretty strange option to see. You'd think that
info would be fixed in some other way. Maybe it is for
development purposes or something, or used to override
some default ?

Paul

In news:k19av4h8t3l8r8vddlkfbe5qltj1du9j2u@4ax.com,
kony typed on Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:21:01 -0400:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:44:06 -0500, "BillW50"
> <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> In news:U9PIl.87027$GU6.14111@newsfe09.iad,
>> Barry Watzman typed on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:55:00 -0400:
>>> Re: "Well after the external video jack (which is analog video), it
>>> gets converted to digital and fed to the LCD display."
>>>
>>> This is a driver issue, but that explanation of how things work is
>>> wrong (although irrelevant to the issue). The digital video is
>>> produced natively. The analog video is then produced from that.
>>> Not the other way around.
>>
>> But Pete (the OP), also stated on the 23rd that he booted up with :
>> "TuffTest Pro (http://www.tufftest.com/ttp01.htm) that is
>> self-booting, operating system independent and never goes anywhere
>> near Windows". So how can it be a Windows driver issue if the
>> problem still exists without Windows?
>
> Becaues the display adapter isn't stretching non-native
> resolutions to fill the entirety of the screen, instead it
> is keeping the correct aspect ratio and upsampling.
>
>> And it is converted to digital, to analog, and back partially into
>> digital (a mix of the two). Same thing happens when you plug into an
>> external LCD monitor as well. As the pixels live in a digital matrix,
>> while the contrast is controlled by analog means.
>
> It is not converted to analog and then back to digital. It
> starts digital and stays digital to output to the LCD panel
> built in, or is converted to analog for the output to an
> external monitor.

Are you saying the brightness and contrast (also gray scales) are
adjusted digitally? How can that be? As it is an analog voltage that
controls this on every pixel on a LCD screen.

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2

Paul wrote:
> Pete Zahut wrote:
>> PS, just flashed BIOS from V2.90 to 3.60 and VGA BIOS from Intel
>> V1264 to V1377 - but no different.
>>
>
> If you run the monitor info program here, without the external monitor
> connected, and with just the internal LCD panel, does it say the
> panel is 1280 x 800 ? An EDID might be a way for the laptop
> manufacturer, to provide plug and play info about the panel,
> its native size and resolutions. Not having an EDID on some
> I2C bus, is not the end of the world, and is not a defect.
>
> http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm

Right Paul, we're getting into major stuff that I know nothing about here
mate :o)

Having run the moninfo program you mention above, there seems to be varying
info (mentions Philips, NEC, Microsoft - can't all have manufactured it can
they?) so I'll apologise now for making this post so long but I thought
you'd need all the info. Here's a "cut and paste" from that program:

MS_0003 (Registry*)

Monitor
Windows description...... Digital Flat Panel (1024x768)
Manufacturer............. Microsoft
Plug and Play ID......... MS_0003
Serial number............ 3
Manufacture date......... 2002, ISO week 0
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.3
Input signal type........ Digital
Color bit depth.......... Undefined
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 2550 x 2550 mm
Power management......... Standby, Suspend
Extension blocs.......... None
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
Default color space...... sRGB
Display gamma............ 3.55
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.625 - Ry 0.340
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.285 - Gy 0.605
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.148 - By 0.063
White point (default).... Wx 0.281 - Wy 0.309
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 0-235kHz
Vertical scan range...... 0-60Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 70MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1024x768p at 60Hz
Modeline............... "1024x768" 65.000 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 769
775 806 -hsync -vsync

Standard timings supported

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& &&&&&&&&&&

LPL0000 (registry)

Monitor
Windows description...... Plug and Play Monitor
Manufacturer............. LPL
Plug and Play ID......... LPL0000
Data string.............. LGPhilipsLCD LP154W01-TLA1
Serial number............ n/a
Manufacture date......... 2005, ISO week 0
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.2
Input signal type........ Digital
Color bit depth.......... Undefined
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 330 x 210 mm (15.4 in)
Power management......... Not supported
Extension blocs.......... None
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.590 - Ry 0.344
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.323 - Gy 0.534
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.156 - By 0.138
White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.328
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Range limits............. Not available
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1280x800p at 60Hz
Modeline............... "1280x800" 71.250 1280 1328 1360 1440 800 802
808 823 -hsync -vsync

Standard timings supported

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& &&&&&&&&&

NEC61BE (registry)

Monitor
Windows description...... Plug and Play Monitor
Manufacturer............. NEC
Plug and Play ID......... NEC61BE
Serial number............ 1278
Manufacture date......... 2001, ISO week 27
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.3
Input signal type........ Digital
Color bit depth.......... Undefined
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 2550 x 2550 mm
Power management......... Standby, Suspend
Extension blocs.......... None
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
Default color space...... sRGB
Display gamma............ 3.55
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.625 - Ry 0.340
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.285 - Gy 0.605
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.148 - By 0.063
White point (default).... Wx 0.281 - Wy 0.309
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 27-60kHz
Vertical scan range...... 56-75Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 90MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1024x768p at 75Hz
Modeline............... "1024x768" 81.800 1024 1080 1192 1360 768 769
772 802 -hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #1....... 640x480p at 56Hz
Modeline............... "640x480" 22.220 640 656 720 800 480 481 484
496 -hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& &&&&&&&

NUL0001 (registry)

Monitor
Windows description...... Plug and Play Monitor
Manufacturer............. NUL
Plug and Play ID......... NUL0001
Serial number............ 1
Manufacture date......... 2002, ISO week 32
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.3
Input signal type........ Analog 0.700,0.300 (1.0V p-p)
Sync input support....... Separate
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 340 x 270 mm (17.1 in)
Power management......... Standby, Suspend
Extension blocs.......... None
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 1.00
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.609 - Ry 0.352
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.303 - Gy 0.550
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.148 - By 0.128
White point (default).... Wx 0.305 - Wy 0.342
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Range limits............. Not available
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1280x1024p at 60Hz (5:4)
Modeline............... "1280x1024" 108.000 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024
1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
720 x 400p at 70Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480p at 75Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 56Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 75Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024p at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024p at 60Hz - VESA STD

Sorry again for such a long post.

> This article mentions that the BIOS can declare some info
> about the panel, using an ACPI entry. The BIOS passes ACPI tables
> to the operating system. You can look in Device Manager, or
> alternately, use Everest Free Edition, to dump a text file
> with a lot of that stuff.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/archiv...ledisplay.mspx
>
> http://majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

Everest says that it doesn't fully support my chipset (Intel Calistoga
i945GM/PM) but it's probably just as well or there would be much more info
:o)

> I also noticed, when looking at the Intel driver on the
> Acer 5630 download page (acer.co.uk), that it has an option
> to define the resolution and refresh rate during installation.
> Which is a pretty strange option to see. You'd think that
> info would be fixed in some other way. Maybe it is for
> development purposes or something, or used to override
> some default ?
>
> Paul

Thanks again for your time mate,

Pete

For christs sake stop trying to reinvent the wheel. The problem has been
solved he has the answer, its the panel or cable he knows what it is stop
confusing the guy




"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:CCiJl.56835$g%5.28803@newsfe23.iad...
> Well, I take back what I said about it being a driver issue. It's clearly
> a hardware issue. Any chance that it was flashed with the wrong bios or
> that someone changed the LCD panel?
>
>
> Pete Zahut wrote:
>> Barry Watzman wrote:
>>> Can you post a screen shot of what the BIOS looks like?
>>
>> Photo of BIOS screen here:
>>
>> http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q...=lappyBIOS.jpg
>>
>>> Is there any chance that at some point someone replaced the LCD panel
>>> with a different model?
>>
>> Just asked my niece and she said no, it's never had a replacement LCD
>> panel.
>>
>> Pete.
>>
>>> Pete Zahut wrote:
>>>> Thanks Fixer. The problem is still there when looking in the BIOS
>>>> and even when running a Linux LiveCD so it's not a Windows driver
>>>> issue. The problem is *NOT* there when viewing on an external
>>>> monitor, so thanks to your suggestions I'll try a new screen cable
>>>> first as that's the cheapest :o) Thanks mate,
>>>>
>>>> Pete
>>