I was browsing around looking for a computer laptop discuss group and I
came across this group. I hope you don't mind me asking a question about
the 9 inch Dell Inspiron.
I own a Dell Inspiron 1200 notebook which I purchased in 8/05 with
windows xp. It doesn't give me any problem. You might be asking why do I
want the 9 inch when I already have the Inspiron 1200, it's because I
love small gadgets. I would love to have the Dell 9 inch with the
windows XP operating system. I'm pretty sure the 9 inch doesn't have a
modem. My question is: On a wireless card, does the machine need a
modem? I don't know how wireless works. I had my Inspiron connected to
dial-up. I never used wireless. I do know that Dell computers are good
computers.

I would appreciate info about this.

Carmen

JandC805@webtv.net (J and C) wrote in news:27813-49C83D64-3323
@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net:

> I was browsing around looking for a computer laptop discuss group and
I
> came across this group. I hope you don't mind me asking a question
about
> the 9 inch Dell Inspiron.
> I own a Dell Inspiron 1200 notebook which I purchased in 8/05 with
> windows xp. It doesn't give me any problem. You might be asking why do
I
> want the 9 inch when I already have the Inspiron 1200, it's because I
> love small gadgets. I would love to have the Dell 9 inch with the
> windows XP operating system. I'm pretty sure the 9 inch doesn't have a
> modem. My question is: On a wireless card, does the machine need a
> modem? I don't know how wireless works. I had my Inspiron connected to
> dial-up. I never used wireless. I do know that Dell computers are
good
> computers.
>
> I would appreciate info about this.
>
> Carmen
>
>

The wireless card IS a modem....a radio modem. Most come with software
that helps you automate the connection, rather than having to fight
through the maze of Windows networking nonsense to use it. The software
makes it simple. The card looks around scanning the channels and
listing all the connections it finds from their broadcasts, usually on
channel 6 or 11. You look to see which ones are not protected by WEP or
other passphrases, keys it takes to connect to them. When you find one
not protected, you tell the software to connect to it and just sit back
as the software connects to it and tries to find the internet on it. If
it finds it...or not....it reports what it has found so you will know
whether you're connected or not. It's already on the net if the
connection were successful.

Some open access points, especially in commercial establishments like
chain restaurants, force you to open your web browser and call any
webpage, like www.google.com. The router intercepts the port 80 call
out then returns a page of spam from the establishment to show you the
menu or sell you something with a click button for you to click to
"activate your internet connection". Hotels, these days in the face of
competition, have gotten away from the pay-me-now-for-access nonsense
and will let your modem's MAC address use the internet for 24 hours
before demanding your room number for continued access. This makes sure
the neighbors aren't unwanted guests, forever, and lets unguests use
their laptops while sitting at the hotel bar paying 3 times a fair price
for a beer or triple for a hamburger.

Lots of open access webpages will simply boot up google you asked for.
These are uncontrolled hotspots worth noting as you can use them
forever. Smaller hotels simply don't bother with the expense of hiring
some outsource company to run an internet they can simply do themselves.
It's not worth it to go through the webpage nonsense.

Once Windows connects to a hotspot, successfully, it will remember it
for you and simply autoconnect from then on as soon as it finds
it....seamlessly.

If your "wireless card" is not wifi but a cellular phone high speed
modem, it comes with software from the carrier that automates connecting
your laptop to the cellular phone's data system, probably automatically.
I use a Motorola Z6m slidephone for my modem, rather than the laptop USB
modem because it's much cheaper. I can connect through the phone via
bluetooth DUN from the netbook or for faster speeds that my bluetooth
stereo headset doesn't trash I use a directly connected USB cable, which
also charges the little phone from the netbook battery.

I use both these methods to connect so I'm never without net service.
With the cellphone data, I can even stream my fav internet radio through
my little Nokia Linux tablet plugged into the big stereo...driving down
the road at 70, without interruption....even when email comes in or
someone calls me on Skype or to my Skype landline numbers (2)....

Thank you for the information. This stuff is so confusing to me. Maybe I
should just forget about it and not buy the 9 inch and use my Dell
Inspiron 1200. It's almost like new even though I had bought it in 2005.
I mainly used it for word processing. Now it's just sitting there not
being used.

I once had it connected to the internet, but I always got error
messages; the blue screen error messages. I was told I received those
messages because the computer wasn't properly protected with virus
software and spyware. I went with AOL which gave the user all the
protection that was needed for the computer. I never received those
error screens once I got off the internet using the computer. It works
fine now. I'm presently using a webtv to browse the internet. This webtv
is out dated. I need to go to a more modern method, a computer.
It's annoying when a computer causes problems.

Carmen

JandC805@webtv.net (J and C) wrote in news:7424-49C85BCE-3130@storefull-
3171.bay.webtv.net:

> I once had it connected to the internet, but I always got error
> messages; the blue screen error messages. I was told I received those
> messages because the computer wasn't properly protected with virus
> software and spyware. I went with AOL which gave the user all the
> protection that was needed for the computer. I never received those
> error screens once I got off the internet using the computer. It works
> fine now. I'm presently using a webtv to browse the internet. This webtv
> is out dated. I need to go to a more modern method, a computer.
> It's annoying when a computer causes problems.
>
> Carmen
>
>
>

Carry the laptop down to a local computer store and ask them to install
their favorite internet protection software on it. They'll scan it to see
what virii/trojans are on it and have software to delete them, then protect
the recovered system.

Ask them to set you up with Outlook Express on a free Gmail account from
Google. They can configure it for you and get it working right before you
go home. They might even have a little computer class available to help
you learn more about your machine. There are thousands of books but I
recommend "Windows XP (or Vista) for Dummies" to start. The "for Dummies"
books are the best in the business. They've helped millions.

WebTV is just awful.....yecch.

Call your cable TV company and have them install broadband internet to your
desk where you'll leave the laptop at home. Dialup internet days are over,
gladly. Crawling along like a snail is a terrible thing to put up with.

Hello Larry
Thank you for your input. It does make sense in what you told me to do.
My husband told me the same, we should bring the Dell notebook to the
local computer repair shop and have them install the programs I need to
protect the system.

This might sound strange to you, I've had computer problems for so many
years that it's gotten me afraid of them. lol. I know it's only a
machine, but my fear is real. My fear has gotten me afraid to learn how
to use them. It's a computer world, so I have no choice but to learn how
to use them. The webtv is such a simple thing to use, but as you had
said it's awful.

My second thought was to go internet via a cell phone. My friend has a
side kick and she just loves it. She takes it with her every where she
goes. As I had said, I do love small gadgets, that was the reason I had
wanted the 9 inch Dell notebook, but deep down the internet cell phones
fascinate me.

Carmen

J and C wrote:

My question is: On a wireless card, does the machine need a
> modem? I don't know how wireless works. I had my Inspiron connected to
> dial-up. I never used wireless. I do know that Dell computers are good
> computers.

In order for a wireless card to pick up an internet connection, you need
to be in an area where a WiFi signal is broadcast. This can either be
outside in a public location like a shopping mall - or inside your
house, using another bit of kit called a _WiFi wireless router_.

For one of those you need to get a new internet connection method to
your house to connect to the modem within the router. Dial-up or WebTV
is just not going to cut it. You need broadband services and these are
delivered in a multitude of different ways including DSL (over copper
phoneline) and cable.

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/broadband.html

Once one of those is installed properly, your own WiFi router will be
transmitting a beacon signal with an identifier ("JandCNET") which your
wireless card will find and pair up with. For security (to stop others
hacking into your connection and computers) you will need to encypt this
link with WPA (or better WPA2) and the router instructions will show you
how.

In a public area, your wireless card will connect to other beacons
("BurgerBar") and there may be free access, or it may be charged.

There is another type of wireless called "mobile broadband". This uses
mobile telephone technology (3G/GPRS or EDGE) and that can be used in
most areas - but you pay $ for it, and it's not especially fast compared
with fixed services. It's just convenient if you are moving about a lot
- in fact it can be used on a vehicle while in transit!

--
Adrian C

J and C wrote:

My question is: On a wireless card, does the machine need a
> modem? I don't know how wireless works. I had my Inspiron connected to
> dial-up. I never used wireless. I do know that Dell computers are good
> computers.

In order for a wireless card to pick up an internet connection, you need
to be in an area where a WiFi signal is broadcast. This can either be
outside in a public location like a shopping mall - or inside your
house, using another bit of kit called a _WiFi wireless router_.

For one of those you need to get a new internet connection method to
your house to connect to the modem within the router. Dial-up or WebTV
is just not going to cut it. You need broadband services and these are
delivered in a multitude of different ways including DSL (over copper
phoneline) and cable.

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/broadband.html

Once one of those is installed properly, your own WiFi router will be
transmitting a beacon signal with an identifier ("JandCNET") which your
wireless card will find and pair up with. For security (to stop others
hacking into your connection and computers) you will need to encypt this
link with WPA (or better WPA2) and the router instructions will show you
how.

In a public area, your wireless card will connect to other beacons
("BurgerBar") and there may be free access, or it may be charged.

There is another type of wireless called "mobile broadband". This uses
mobile telephone technology (3G/GPRS or EDGE) and that can be used in
most areas - but you pay $ for it, and it's not especially fast compared
with fixed services. It's just convenient if you are moving about a lot
- in fact it can be used on a vehicle while in transit!

--
Adrian C

JandC805@webtv.net (J and C) wrote in news:7427-49C8E8F1-1592@storefull-
3171.bay.webtv.net:

> My second thought was to go internet via a cell phone. My friend has a
> side kick and she just loves it. She takes it with her every where she
> goes. As I had said, I do love small gadgets, that was the reason I
had
> wanted the 9 inch Dell notebook, but deep down the internet cell
phones
> fascinate me.
>
> Carmen
>
>
>

Internet cellphones, which I always call them "sellphones", are all
hobbled up by the carriers for two reasons:
1 - To reduce their usage of data (bandwidth) from the sellphone system
to a minimum.
2 - To try to sell back to you for some monthly fee, use of a feature
they took off the phone from the manufacturer....a very dirty trick.
Case in point is many phones have a web browser you're not allowed to
use, even if you ALREADY are paying for data service until you give them
$4/month just to use a crappy web browser that hardly functions at all.
It's crazy.

A much better way to go mobile is to only buy data service from the
sellphone carrier and get the computer completely out of his control:

SELLPHONE CARRIER -- PHONE AS MODEM ------------ YOUR NETBOOK
Here this is:
ALLTEL ------------ MOTOROLA ROKR Z6M ---USB---- SAMSUNG NC10
|-BLUETOOTH- NOKIA N800 LINUX TABLET

None of my mobile computers are hogtied and hobbled by the carrier, who
only provide me with the internet connection. Both the tablet and
netbook have real browsers with full capabilities, whether the carrier
likes it or not.

Iphones and Pre and Gphones and Blackberries are only for email and the
most elementary web browsing with no streaming, Flash, etc. that use
data.

You should take a close look at the Samsung NC10 netbook if you want to
go mobile. Runs 5-8 hours on a charge, not 1-2 like a laptop. Only
weighs 2.4 pounds and the display is NON REFLECTIVE and bright so you
can see the picture....even outdoors! You're not staring into a stupid
mirror trying to see the picture behind it, which I think is absurd.
NC10 has a multitouch touchpad, extra software from Samsung for control,
Bluetooth fully functional (not just headsets) and a great wifi radio
system for those hotspots. It's $400 from www.costcentral.com in Erie,
PA. I carry mine in a leather portable DVD case with an external 400GB
WD USB drive for easy storage of the movies and music....played through
a Motorola S9 bluetooth headset, so the war on the screen doesn't upset
the next table over in a restaurant....(c;]

(Gunfire in a restaurant always seems to upset them, these days.)

Larry,
Once again I want to thank you for the informaltion you are giving me. I
can tell, you are highly education in the field of computers, so you are
the right person to speak to.

The Samsung NC10 seems to be a real nice netbook for browsing the
internet. It seems like it's a lot better machine then the Dell mini 9
inch. I guess it would have a wireless card since it's a mobile unit.
Can you tell me what service provider I would need to use the Samsung
wireless and approximately how much would it cost monthly. I forgot to
mention to you that I live in a rural area, so would I be able to get
wireless service in this area?

Carmen

Larry,
You wrote that you just purchased the Samsung NC10. You mentioned that
you like this netbook.

I don't know the difference from one computer to another because I'm not
computer savy, but I've seen the Acer mini notebook at Walmart. It looks
like a nice machine. Someone that I know told me the Acer computers
aren't that good. What is your opinion of the Acer mini?

I hope you're not getting annoyed with all those questions I asking.

Carmen

JandC805@webtv.net (J and C) wrote in news:7424-49C970C2-3767@storefull-
3171.bay.webtv.net:

> Larry,
> Once again I want to thank you for the informaltion you are giving me.
I
> can tell, you are highly education in the field of computers, so you
are
> the right person to speak to.
>
> The Samsung NC10 seems to be a real nice netbook for browsing the
> internet. It seems like it's a lot better machine then the Dell mini 9
> inch. I guess it would have a wireless card since it's a mobile unit.
> Can you tell me what service provider I would need to use the Samsung
> wireless and approximately how much would it cost monthly. I forgot to
> mention to you that I live in a rural area, so would I be able to get
> wireless service in this area?
>
> Carmen
>
>

The NC10 will accept any WinXP based USB cellular modem card....It
already has a wifi and bluetooth radio systems in it.

Instead of a cellular modem card, I'm using either its Bluetooth DUN
paired with the Motorola ROKR Z6m slidephone (not a smartphone) on
Alltel....or for faster service, directly connecting the NC10 via a USB
A to USB mini cable directly to the phone's mini USB port, directly
tethered, which is much faster, especially in heavily-used bluetooth
areas in public places. I highly recommend direct USB tethering. Any
provider has automating software to make the connection as easy as
pressing a virtual button. Alltel's software will connect to the phone
either way, your choice.

If you can get good cellular phone signal in your rural area, you'll
have cellular internet, too. Call your cellular carrier or look on
their webpages for information specific to their service....prices,
speeds, limit on usage, etc. It varies widely from carrier to carrier,
too widely to be specific, here.

I work in really rural areas of Eastern South Carolina. Alltel has
great fast internet service across the whole region, much to my
amazement. I use the cellular a lot for parts searching/ordering and
information lookup on organ and PA systems in the boondocks.

Being in a rural area does limit your choices, unfortunately. As you
have WebTV, I assume you have a cable TV in your home, right? Cable TV
has broadband internet in most markets. Plug their cable modem into a
wifi router and make your own wifi system for the house. That's 4-8
times faster than any cellular data service, but, of course, you can't
take it with you like cellular. If you don't feel comfortable following
directions to setup your own router, which isn't rocket science any
more, you can rent a wifi-enabled cable modem with a wifi radio built
into it from your cable company.

JandC805@webtv.net (J and C) wrote in news:27814-49C992BB-1792
@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net:

> Larry,
> You wrote that you just purchased the Samsung NC10. You mentioned that
> you like this netbook.
>
> I don't know the difference from one computer to another because I'm
not
> computer savy, but I've seen the Acer mini notebook at Walmart. It
looks
> like a nice machine. Someone that I know told me the Acer computers
> aren't that good. What is your opinion of the Acer mini?
>
> I hope you're not getting annoyed with all those questions I asking.
>
> Carmen
>
>

Most of the available netbooks are off my list simply because their
screens and frames around their screens are GLOSSY, MIRRORED
surfaces....rendering them totally useless sitting outside during the
daytime when I want to use my mobile computing devices. I've made the
mistake of thinking I could overlook this malady computer companies just
cannot seem to break themselves of in the name of some stupid vanity or
"style"...suffering all during my ownership of them dodging around the
mirror flooding my eyes with SKY or flourescent lights or light from
large windows coming in from outside. The only comfortable place to
look at a glossy screen is in total darkness....and even then you've got
to look at them at some angle so their own light doesn't reflect your
face on top of the picture! All these netbooks, display monitors, TV
sets, laptops are ineligible to purchase, now.

This just about limits the Acer netbooks as they all have glossy
screens, I think. The ASUS EEEPCs have a few models with non-glare
screens that pass this basic test. The Samsung NC10 passes it with
flying colors. The only glossy surfaces are the BACK of the screen, the
outside of the closed netbook, which I don't have to stare at for hours
looking at the latest movies.

UNfortunately, I wanted a Samsung NC20 with the new type of processor
and THAT netbook, if you youtube it from the reviewers has a stupid
GLOSSY screen....off my list. Samsung is also coming out with some kind
of limited edition NC10 with the faster N280 processor and some other
new stuff....again with the ****ed GLOSSY screen I cannot stand to
watch.

Acers and ASUS netbooks are probably not any different from what I have.
I do know they have, in their new models, adopted the expanded
multitouch touchpads with scroll bars and multifingered gestures that
was a good part of the decision process for the NC10 I bought.

The other thing that made my decision was simply Samsung, itself.....

If I buy a $500 widget from Smiley's Auto and Stormdoor, a little local
manufacturer of $500 widgets, that $500 is pretty important to Smiley
and his missus. If something goes wrong with it, Smiley will think
twice about spending a lot of money to make me happy, especially money
he really needs to keep. If I buy a $500 widget from one of the largest
electronics corporations on the planet, and there's a problem with it,
that $500 represents what Samsung spent on toilet paper last week for
the executive washroom and means nothing to Samsung. Before I bought
it, I called Samsung and asked the nice American lady who took my
support call what Samsung would do if the computer failed under
warranty. "Oh, they just swap and give you a new one. It's not worth
their time to spend money fixing them." That alone put Samsung near the
top of my list, and it makes simple sense, is logical for them to be
that way. If I don't like my hamburger at McDonald's, they just replace
it. If I don't like my hamburger at Mom and Pop's diner, they'll balk.
I just makes sense. Acer and ASUS are smaller than monster Samsung.

Another thing in Samsung's favor is this is NOT a netbook made from
pieces parts from a huge variety of vendors. The display is SAMSUNG.
The hard drive is SAMSUNG. Samsung made most everything in the box
except the chipsets, which are Intel. With a small company, you are
buying a display from Mitsubishi, a hard drive from Toshiba, a sound
card from somebody else, all pieces just assembled by the company who
puts their logo on the front of it. They had little to do with the
pieces inside. Because of this, Samsung is in a much better position to
make sure this piece is compatible with that piece and that piece. The
plugs fit, the impedance is correct, the voltage is correct...less
compromises. I looked at all the netbooks for fit and finish. The NC10
doesn't "wobble" when you move the display on its better hinges. The
plastic looks more substantial, like they cared more. Again, spending
$8.43 per unit to Samsung means nothing. Spending $8.43 more per unit
to a smaller company lowers their stock price. I find that economically
logical....

In today's unstable economy, I also figured Samsung would probably
survive longer than the smaller guys, too. So many companies are going
belly up it's hard to keep up with them. GE's stock price is in the
dumper. They're talking about filing for bankruptcy. But bankruptcy
for GE doesn't mean what it does for Smiley's Auto and Stormdoor.
Bankruptcy for GE means we're going to fire some extra heads, cheat our
stockholders and vendors and still be in business for 100 more years.
Bankruptcy for Smiley's means his shop will be vacant for the next 10
years until the court decides to sell the property. Samsung is like
GE....huge!

These are things I think need to be considered in the reality of today.

God I hate GLOSSY SCREENS!!!

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9BD8E4702FD64noonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
> JandC805@webtv.net (J and C) wrote in
> news:7424-49C970C2-3767@storefull-
> 3171.bay.webtv.net:
>
>> Larry,
>> Once again I want to thank you for the informaltion you are giving
>> me.
> I
>> can tell, you are highly education in the field of computers, so
>> you
> are
>> the right person to speak to.
>>
>> The Samsung NC10 seems to be a real nice netbook for browsing the
>> internet. It seems like it's a lot better machine then the Dell
>> mini 9
>> inch. I guess it would have a wireless card since it's a mobile
>> unit.
>> Can you tell me what service provider I would need to use the
>> Samsung
>> wireless and approximately how much would it cost monthly. I forgot
>> to
>> mention to you that I live in a rural area, so would I be able to
>> get
>> wireless service in this area?
>>
>> Carmen
>>
>>
>
> The NC10 will accept any WinXP based USB cellular modem card....It
> already has a wifi and bluetooth radio systems in it.
>
> Instead of a cellular modem card, I'm using either its Bluetooth DUN
> paired with the Motorola ROKR Z6m slidephone (not a smartphone) on
> Alltel....or for faster service, directly connecting the NC10 via a
> USB
> A to USB mini cable directly to the phone's mini USB port, directly
> tethered, which is much faster, especially in heavily-used bluetooth
> areas in public places. I highly recommend direct USB tethering.
> Any
> provider has automating software to make the connection as easy as
> pressing a virtual button. Alltel's software will connect to the
> phone
> either way, your choice.
>
> If you can get good cellular phone signal in your rural area, you'll
> have cellular internet, too. Call your cellular carrier or look on
> their webpages for information specific to their service....prices,
> speeds, limit on usage, etc. It varies widely from carrier to
> carrier,
> too widely to be specific, here.
>
> I work in really rural areas of Eastern South Carolina. Alltel has
> great fast internet service across the whole region, much to my
> amazement. I use the cellular a lot for parts searching/ordering
> and
> information lookup on organ and PA systems in the boondocks.
>
> Being in a rural area does limit your choices, unfortunately. As
> you
> have WebTV, I assume you have a cable TV in your home, right? Cable
> TV
> has broadband internet in most markets. Plug their cable modem into
> a
> wifi router and make your own wifi system for the house. That's 4-8
> times faster than any cellular data service, but, of course, you
> can't
> take it with you like cellular. If you don't feel comfortable
> following
> directions to setup your own router, which isn't rocket science any
> more, you can rent a wifi-enabled cable modem with a wifi radio
> built
> into it from your cable company.
>
My advice would be NOT to buy any DELL laptop that has a master
password security feature on it unless the vendor can supply the
master password with it. See thread on DELL Inspiron 1545 - password
stuffed.
Roy

All this information is now getting over my head. I'm getting confused
with all this technical stuff. I'm a novice when it comes to computers.
Larry, are you telling me I need to get a cellular phone to use with the
netbook as a connection device? If that's the case, it's best not to get
a netbook.

I've come to this conclusion, maybe I should bring my Dell notebook as
you had told me to do, to my local computer shop and have him install
all the software that I need so that I can connect it to the internet
and to check it for viruses, which I don't think I have on it, but then
again you never know. Anything is possible, I could have gotten one when
I was connected to AOL. I really don't like AOL and I won't use them
again.

Larry, I do appreciate the time you spent trying to help me. If a person
like me doesn't have any idea of what they are doing, then it's best not
to venture into something they don't understand. Computers don't like
me, they never have and they never will.

Carmen

In news:508-49CA0AD8-439@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net,
J and C typed on Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:43:36 -0700:
> All this information is now getting over my head. I'm getting confused
> with all this technical stuff. I'm a novice when it comes to
> computers. Larry, are you telling me I need to get a cellular phone
> to use with the netbook as a connection device? If that's the case,
> it's best not to get a netbook.
>
> I've come to this conclusion, maybe I should bring my Dell notebook as
> you had told me to do, to my local computer shop and have him install
> all the software that I need so that I can connect it to the internet
> and to check it for viruses, which I don't think I have on it, but
> then again you never know. Anything is possible, I could have gotten
> one when I was connected to AOL. I really don't like AOL and I won't
> use them again.
>
> Larry, I do appreciate the time you spent trying to help me. If a
> person like me doesn't have any idea of what they are doing, then
> it's best not to venture into something they don't understand.
> Computers don't like me, they never have and they never will.
>
> Carmen

Hi Carmen! I don't understand why you need the Internet on the go? I
live in a rural area that doesn't even have digital cellphone service
yet. Although I used to and I used my cellphone and connected it to my
laptop and my PDA device. It was cool, but I really didn't need it. I
didn't pay extra for this with Verizon, as night calls and weekend calls
were free. But things could have changed in the last few years. Maybe
you can't do this anymore.

I also don't understand why you need to take your computer in to have it
secured? As it is really simple to do it on your own. All you need is
something like Avast (free) and Spybot (free). The only other thing to
do is to visit this website and to checkout how secure your computer
really is.

Gibson Research Corporation (GRC)
ShieldsUP!
https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

Run File Sharing and Common Ports. Those are the important ones. And you
can get Spybot and Avast from below.

Spybot
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html

Avast
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2