I am planning to buy another desktop replacement system and just
noticed lately that some high end notebooks for multimedias are fitted
with 4200 rpm hard drive which to my understanding is slower than the
5400 rpm.
One example is the SONY VAIO FW series.
I understand that the lower speed harddrive does not not suck to much
power but for such notebooks, battery juice is seldom relied as its
too short and rather weak for such strenous application, then what its
the logic of fitting in such slower hard drive when the best should be
higher speeds such as 7200 rpm? What are the other significant
advantage for such 'turtle drives'<grin> when higher speed should be
the trend today?
Would it be a sound investment for a notebook to have such as slower
drive?
Thanks In Advance
Roy

Generally, less noise, lower heat.

YMMV

"Roy" <roybasan******.com> wrote in message
news:0fff9ff6-b269-42d4-b34d-57b7b6d71c93@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
I am planning to buy another desktop replacement system and just
noticed lately that some high end notebooks for multimedias are fitted
with 4200 rpm hard drive which to my understanding is slower than the
5400 rpm.
One example is the SONY VAIO FW series.
I understand that the lower speed harddrive does not not suck to much
power but for such notebooks, battery juice is seldom relied as its
too short and rather weak for such strenous application, then what its
the logic of fitting in such slower hard drive when the best should be
higher speeds such as 7200 rpm? What are the other significant
advantage for such 'turtle drives'<grin> when higher speed should be
the trend today?
Would it be a sound investment for a notebook to have such as slower
drive?
Thanks In Advance
Roy

Val wrote:
> Generally, less noise, lower heat.
>
> YMMV
>
> "Roy" <roybasan******.com> wrote in message
> news:0fff9ff6-b269-42d4-b34d-57b7b6d71c93@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> I am planning to buy another desktop replacement system and just
> noticed lately that some high end notebooks for multimedias are fitted
> with 4200 rpm hard drive which to my understanding is slower than the
> 5400 rpm.
> One example is the SONY VAIO FW series.
> I understand that the lower speed harddrive does not not suck to much
> power but for such notebooks, battery juice is seldom relied as its
> too short and rather weak for such strenous application, then what its
> the logic of fitting in such slower hard drive when the best should be
> higher speeds such as 7200 rpm? What are the other significant
> advantage for such 'turtle drives'<grin> when higher speed should be
> the trend today?
> Would it be a sound investment for a notebook to have such as slower
> drive?
> Thanks In Advance
> Roy
>
>
In practice, with a quality hd, I cannot tell the difference. 7200rpm
would be a different story, and I do not think they have gained
popularity. Personaly, I would not settle for a 4200 but if it becomes a
deal breaker, I would accept it.

--
John Doue

Get one with a 7200 if you can afford it. It is a big difference over the
4200 or 5400 speed.

"Roy" <roybasan******.com> wrote in message
news:0fff9ff6-b269-42d4-b34d-57b7b6d71c93@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>I am planning to buy another desktop replacement system and just
> noticed lately that some high end notebooks for multimedias are fitted
> with 4200 rpm hard drive which to my understanding is slower than the
> 5400 rpm.
> One example is the SONY VAIO FW series.
> I understand that the lower speed harddrive does not not suck to much
> power but for such notebooks, battery juice is seldom relied as its
> too short and rather weak for such strenous application, then what its
> the logic of fitting in such slower hard drive when the best should be
> higher speeds such as 7200 rpm? What are the other significant
> advantage for such 'turtle drives'<grin> when higher speed should be
> the trend today?
> Would it be a sound investment for a notebook to have such as slower
> drive?
> Thanks In Advance
> Roy

BigJim wrote:
> Get one with a 7200 if you can afford it. It is a big difference over
> the 4200 or 5400 speed.
>
> "Roy" <roybasan******.com> wrote in message
> news:0fff9ff6-b269-42d4-b34d-57b7b6d71c93@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> I am planning to buy another desktop replacement system and just
>> noticed lately that some high end notebooks for multimedias are fitted
>> with 4200 rpm hard drive which to my understanding is slower than the
>> 5400 rpm.
>> One example is the SONY VAIO FW series.
>> I understand that the lower speed harddrive does not not suck to much
>> power but for such notebooks, battery juice is seldom relied as its
>> too short and rather weak for such strenous application, then what its
>> the logic of fitting in such slower hard drive when the best should be
>> higher speeds such as 7200 rpm? What are the other significant
>> advantage for such 'turtle drives'<grin> when higher speed should be
>> the trend today?
>> Would it be a sound investment for a notebook to have such as slower
>> drive?
>> Thanks In Advance
>> Roy
>
Yes, but in noise and vibrations also!

--
John Doue

On Dec 2, 11:21*pm, John Doue <notw...******.com> wrote:
> Val wrote:
> > Generally, less noise, lower heat.
>
> > YMMV
>
> > "Roy" <royba...******.com> wrote in message
> >news:0fff9ff6-b269-42d4-b34d-57b7b6d71c93@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com....
> > I am planning to buy another desktop replacement system and *just
> > noticed lately that some high end notebooks for multimedias are fitted
> > with 4200 rpm hard drive which to my understanding is slower than the
> > 5400 rpm.
> > One example is the SONY VAIO FW series.
> > I understand that the lower speed harddrive does not not suck to much
> > power *but for such notebooks, battery juice is seldom relied as its
> > too short and rather weak for such strenous application, then what its
> > the logic of fitting in such slower hard drive when the best should be
> > higher speeds such as 7200 rpm? What are the other significant
> > advantage for such 'turtle drives'<grin> when higher speed should be
> > the trend today?
> > Would it be a sound investment for a notebook to have such as slower
> > drive?
> > Thanks In Advance
> > Roy
>
> In practice, with a quality hd, I cannot tell the difference. 7200rpm
> would be a different story, and I do not think they have gained
> popularity. Personaly, I would not settle for a 4200 but if it becomes a
> deal breaker, I would accept it.
>
> --
> John Doue- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -Hmm...thanks....that sound reasonable therefore you imply that for Blu-ray functionality HDD speed does not matter?
But do all laptop motherboards support higher speed hardrives
upgrades say from 4200 to 5400 rpm.?
I understand that battery juice will be rapidly sucked up as well as
likely more heat generated but would it depreciate the laptops life
much faster? Would like to hear more inputs about complications of
such hard drive upgrades......

Roy wrote on Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:20:40 -0800 (PST):
> On Dec 2, 11:21 pm, John Doue <notw...******.com> wrote:
>> Val wrote:
>>> Generally, less noise, lower heat.
>>> YMMV
>>> "Roy" <royba...******.com> wrote in message
>>> news:0fff9ff6-b269-42d4-b34d-57b7b6d71c93@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>> I am planning to buy another desktop replacement system and just
>>> noticed lately that some high end notebooks for multimedias are fitted
>>> with 4200 rpm hard drive which to my understanding is slower than the
>>> 5400 rpm.
>>> One example is the SONY VAIO FW series.
>>> I understand that the lower speed harddrive does not not suck to much
>>> power but for such notebooks, battery juice is seldom relied as its
>>> too short and rather weak for such strenous application, then what its
>>> the logic of fitting in such slower hard drive when the best should be
>>> higher speeds such as 7200 rpm? What are the other significant
>>> advantage for such 'turtle drives'<grin> when higher speed should be
>>> the trend today?
>>> Would it be a sound investment for a notebook to have such as slower
>>> drive?
>>> Thanks In Advance
>>> Roy
>> In practice, with a quality hd, I cannot tell the difference. 7200rpm
>> would be a different story, and I do not think they have gained
>> popularity. Personaly, I would not settle for a 4200 but if it becomes a
>> deal breaker, I would accept it.
>>
>> --
>> John Doue
>
> Hmm...thanks....that sound reasonable therefore you imply that
> for Blu-ray functionality HDD speed does not matter?
> But do all laptop motherboards support higher speed hardrives
> upgrades say from 4200 to 5400 rpm.?
> I understand that battery juice will be rapidly sucked up as well as
> likely more heat generated but would it depreciate the laptops life
> much faster? Would like to hear more inputs about complications of
> such hard drive upgrades......

I have replaced 4200rpm drives with 5400rpm drives and I never saw a
problem yet. And yes I do see a big speed improvement. The slower the
CPU, the bigger the improvement. I never bought a 7200rpm drive for a
laptop, but my guess it would be great too.

Although hard drives are old technology which is about 25 years old.
Have you thought about SSD (solid state drives)? As I am sold on the
technology and I use them all of the time. Remember too the more
expensive SLC (Single-Level Cell) SSD is almost always faster than MLC
(Multi-Level Cell) SSD.

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 8GB 1GB SoDIMM Adata 16GB
Windows XP SP2 and Xandros Linux

Roy wrote:
> On Dec 2, 11:21 pm, John Doue <notw...******.com> wrote:
>> Val wrote:
>>> Generally, less noise, lower heat.
>>> YMMV
>>> "Roy" <royba...******.com> wrote in message
>>> news:0fff9ff6-b269-42d4-b34d-57b7b6d71c93@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>> I am planning to buy another desktop replacement system and just
>>> noticed lately that some high end notebooks for multimedias are fitted
>>> with 4200 rpm hard drive which to my understanding is slower than the
>>> 5400 rpm.
>>> One example is the SONY VAIO FW series.
>>> I understand that the lower speed harddrive does not not suck to much
>>> power but for such notebooks, battery juice is seldom relied as its
>>> too short and rather weak for such strenous application, then what its
>>> the logic of fitting in such slower hard drive when the best should be
>>> higher speeds such as 7200 rpm? What are the other significant
>>> advantage for such 'turtle drives'<grin> when higher speed should be
>>> the trend today?
>>> Would it be a sound investment for a notebook to have such as slower
>>> drive?
>>> Thanks In Advance
>>> Roy
>> In practice, with a quality hd, I cannot tell the difference. 7200rpm
>> would be a different story, and I do not think they have gained
>> popularity. Personaly, I would not settle for a 4200 but if it becomes a
>> deal breaker, I would accept it.
>>
>> --
>> John Doue- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -Hmm...thanks....that sound reasonable therefore you imply that for Blu-ray functionality HDD speed does not matter?
> But do all laptop motherboards support higher speed hardrives
> upgrades say from 4200 to 5400 rpm.?
> I understand that battery juice will be rapidly sucked up as well as
> likely more heat generated but would it depreciate the laptops life
> much faster? Would like to hear more inputs about complications of
> such hard drive upgrades......
I do not think HD speeds could overwhelm a motherboard of today's
laptops ... at least within the scale we know today!

I do not believe either the difference in power consumption would be
really perceptible, at least with quality HD. The only thing you may
really notice if you go toe 7200rpm is vibrations and noise, and that, I
would really mind.

--
John Doue

Thanks for all your informative reply guys!
That will help me greatly in my decision making,,.....

Regards

Roy

get a 7200 there is a big defense over the 5400
"Roy" <roybasan******.com> wrote in message
news:0fff9ff6-b269-42d4-b34d-57b7b6d71c93@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>I am planning to buy another desktop replacement system and just
> noticed lately that some high end notebooks for multimedias are fitted
> with 4200 rpm hard drive which to my understanding is slower than the
> 5400 rpm.
> One example is the SONY VAIO FW series.
> I understand that the lower speed harddrive does not not suck to much
> power but for such notebooks, battery juice is seldom relied as its
> too short and rather weak for such strenous application, then what its
> the logic of fitting in such slower hard drive when the best should be
> higher speeds such as 7200 rpm? What are the other significant
> advantage for such 'turtle drives'<grin> when higher speed should be
> the trend today?
> Would it be a sound investment for a notebook to have such as slower
> drive?
> Thanks In Advance
> Roy

Somewhere on teh intarwebs "woody10277********.com" typed:
> get a 7200 there is a big defense over the 5400

Oh hell yeah, a 7,200 rpm drive will probably cook itself and anything near
it unless it's a well-ventilated laptop (of which there are few..).

My 5,400 in a ThinkPad already hits 58 degrees C on the office desk, on a
warm spring day. Operateing specs for the HDD are 0 - 60 degrees. I'm
dreading summer....
--
Shaun.

> "Roy" <roybasan******.com> wrote in message
> news:0fff9ff6-b269-42d4-b34d-57b7b6d71c93@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> I am planning to buy another desktop replacement system and just
>> noticed lately that some high end notebooks for multimedias are
>> fitted with 4200 rpm hard drive which to my understanding is slower
>> than the 5400 rpm.
>> One example is the SONY VAIO FW series.
>> I understand that the lower speed harddrive does not not suck to much
>> power but for such notebooks, battery juice is seldom relied as its
>> too short and rather weak for such strenous application, then what
>> its the logic of fitting in such slower hard drive when the best
>> should be higher speeds such as 7200 rpm? What are the other
>> significant advantage for such 'turtle drives'<grin> when higher
>> speed should be the trend today?
>> Would it be a sound investment for a notebook to have such as slower
>> drive?
>> Thanks In Advance
>> Roy

~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs "woody10277********.com" typed:
>> get a 7200 there is a big defense over the 5400
>
> Oh hell yeah, a 7,200 rpm drive will probably cook itself and anything near
> it unless it's a well-ventilated laptop (of which there are few..).
>
> My 5,400 in a ThinkPad already hits 58 degrees C on the office desk, on a
> warm spring day. Operateing specs for the HDD are 0 - 60 degrees. I'm
> dreading summer....

On my R51 with a 250G 5400 rpm drive, the temperature never exceeds 40C,
even in Florida's summer. Try another drive if you can, some get hotter
than others. But of course, the main culprit probably is the design of
your machine (which one do you have?).
--
John Doue

Somewhere on teh intarwebs "notwobe******.com" typed:
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs "woody10277********.com" typed:
>>> get a 7200 there is a big defense over the 5400
>>
>> Oh hell yeah, a 7,200 rpm drive will probably cook itself and
>> anything near it unless it's a well-ventilated laptop (of which
>> there are few..). My 5,400 in a ThinkPad already hits 58 degrees C on the
>> office desk,
>> on a warm spring day. Operateing specs for the HDD are 0 - 60
>> degrees. I'm dreading summer....
>
> On my R51 with a 250G 5400 rpm drive, the temperature never exceeds
> 40C, even in Florida's summer. Try another drive if you can, some get
> hotter than others. But of course, the main culprit probably is the
> design of your machine (which one do you have?).

I had an R51 with this very drive (Seagate Momentus 3 160GB) in it. It
hovered around mid 30s, it hit 40C only once, during a defrag.

However, I got my hands on an R40 with a 1400x1050 panel in it and, after
several unsuccessful attempts at swapping the panel into the R51 (I don't
know, all I know is that [now I've looked] ThinkWiki show that the R40 and
the R51 didn't have a single panel in common in any model, I guess the
pin-out is different even though the connector fits).

So I decided to keep the R40 as the panel really is great, I gave up faster
RAM speed and a superior CPU (Dothan for Banias) of the R51 for this
wonderful panel but now am finding the HDD running over 15C hotter. I've
tried running it without the caddy cover on, very little difference... I
think it's just the design of the R40. I'd fit a blower fan aimed into the
HDD area but the handiest USB port is right there...

I considered a bigger drive but then Seagate don't go bigger than 160Gb on
PATA and I like the 5 year warranty. However, as mentioned, if the HDD goes
above 60 the warranty will be void. :-(

(58C is the hottest it's hit so far, on a day I had to go out so the doors /
windows were closed and no AC. However, room temp was only 30C, we get days
hotter than that and I can't stay home forever, or leave the house open when
I'm out. I'm in New Zealand BTW.)

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs "notwobe******.com" typed:
>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs "woody10277********.com" typed:
>>>> get a 7200 there is a big defense over the 5400
>>> Oh hell yeah, a 7,200 rpm drive will probably cook itself and
>>> anything near it unless it's a well-ventilated laptop (of which
>>> there are few..). My 5,400 in a ThinkPad already hits 58 degrees C on the
>>> office desk,
>>> on a warm spring day. Operateing specs for the HDD are 0 - 60
>>> degrees. I'm dreading summer....
>> On my R51 with a 250G 5400 rpm drive, the temperature never exceeds
>> 40C, even in Florida's summer. Try another drive if you can, some get
>> hotter than others. But of course, the main culprit probably is the
>> design of your machine (which one do you have?).
>
> I had an R51 with this very drive (Seagate Momentus 3 160GB) in it. It
> hovered around mid 30s, it hit 40C only once, during a defrag.
>
> However, I got my hands on an R40 with a 1400x1050 panel in it and, after
> several unsuccessful attempts at swapping the panel into the R51 (I don't
> know, all I know is that [now I've looked] ThinkWiki show that the R40 and
> the R51 didn't have a single panel in common in any model, I guess the
> pin-out is different even though the connector fits).
>
> So I decided to keep the R40 as the panel really is great, I gave up faster
> RAM speed and a superior CPU (Dothan for Banias) of the R51 for this
> wonderful panel but now am finding the HDD running over 15C hotter. I've
> tried running it without the caddy cover on, very little difference... I
> think it's just the design of the R40. I'd fit a blower fan aimed into the
> HDD area but the handiest USB port is right there...
>
> I considered a bigger drive but then Seagate don't go bigger than 160Gb on
> PATA and I like the 5 year warranty. However, as mentioned, if the HDD goes
> above 60 the warranty will be void. :-(
>
> (58C is the hottest it's hit so far, on a day I had to go out so the doors /
> windows were closed and no AC. However, room temp was only 30C, we get days
> hotter than that and I can't stay home forever, or leave the house open when
> I'm out. I'm in New Zealand BTW.)
>
> Cheers,

My R51 has a 1400x1050 display. I would not trade it for anything else
and am very happy I managed to make sense of the then IBM very confusing
offering!

Changing the panel is one thing, but what about the GP?!

--
John Doue

I run a 7200 drive in my dell 600m and nothing is cooked, I never run it on
my lap or a rug
only on a smooth hard surface. I run it in an air condition office or my
home and never
outside when it is 90 degrees f. If you want more speed then a 7200 is the
way to go.

"Roy" <roybasan******.com> wrote in message
news:0fff9ff6-b269-42d4-b34d-57b7b6d71c93@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>I am planning to buy another desktop replacement system and just
> noticed lately that some high end notebooks for multimedias are fitted
> with 4200 rpm hard drive which to my understanding is slower than the
> 5400 rpm.
> One example is the SONY VAIO FW series.
> I understand that the lower speed harddrive does not not suck to much
> power but for such notebooks, battery juice is seldom relied as its
> too short and rather weak for such strenous application, then what its
> the logic of fitting in such slower hard drive when the best should be
> higher speeds such as 7200 rpm? What are the other significant
> advantage for such 'turtle drives'<grin> when higher speed should be
> the trend today?
> Would it be a sound investment for a notebook to have such as slower
> drive?
> Thanks In Advance
> Roy