Hi,
I admit, I'm an old geezer, (75) but I've been around computers for
sometime now, and have had many laptops, but it's been many years
since I've been on the road with a laptop.
My question is, , ,
I will be going to Oregon next month, and the place I will be staying
does not have direct internet access. I assume that I must use the
built-in modem on my Dell Laptop, but what programs do you suggest
that I use to connect to the internet?

I am a longtime user of Netscape 7.2, but I think I need something to
actually make the connection. Is that correct? If so, what program do
you suggest?

I have verizon broadband at home. so I haven't fooled around with this
for many years.

Thanx

Doc.
========================

"Doc" <drpepper5@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1187031660.361454.156300@e9g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi,
> I admit, I'm an old geezer, (75) but I've been around computers for
> sometime now, and have had many laptops, but it's been many years
> since I've been on the road with a laptop.
> My question is, , ,
> I will be going to Oregon next month, and the place I will be staying
> does not have direct internet access. I assume that I must use the
> built-in modem on my Dell Laptop, but what programs do you suggest
> that I use to connect to the internet?
>
> I am a longtime user of Netscape 7.2, but I think I need something to
> actually make the connection. Is that correct? If so, what program do
> you suggest?
>
> I have verizon broadband at home. so I haven't fooled around with this
> for many years.
>
> Thanx
>
> Doc.

It's not a matter of having a program, it's a matter of having an isp to
connect to. Check with verizon and see if they have dialup access for the
times when you are away from your broadband connection at home. I have
RoadRunner and they provide dialer software plus a list of local phone
numbers in all major cities.

You have a lot of things confused.

Neither Netscape nor any other browser "makes the connection". A dial
up connection is made either by Dial-up networking, or by a dialer
program from your ISP.

As to your web browser, I'd definitely suggest that you upgrade from
Netscape 7.2 to FireFox 2. You will not see much difference ... Firefox
and Netscape are based on the same code, and the look and feel is
similar (almost identical) and Firefox can import all of your settings &
bookmarks. BUT, it's about 4 years later and MUCH more secure.
[FireFox is just a web browser, it does not have an E-Mail client, which
Netscape 7.2 did. If you need an E-Mail client, "Thunderbird" is the
corresponding E-Mail software. Like FireFox/Netscape, Thunderbird is
based on the same code, just updated. So you will immediately be
comfortable with it. It's basically a later version (4 years later) of
the same thing.]

I'd also update IE to IE7.


Doc wrote:
> Hi,
> I admit, I'm an old geezer, (75) but I've been around computers for
> sometime now, and have had many laptops, but it's been many years
> since I've been on the road with a laptop.
> My question is, , ,
> I will be going to Oregon next month, and the place I will be staying
> does not have direct internet access. I assume that I must use the
> built-in modem on my Dell Laptop, but what programs do you suggest
> that I use to connect to the internet?
>
> I am a longtime user of Netscape 7.2, but I think I need something to
> actually make the connection. Is that correct? If so, what program do
> you suggest?
>
> I have verizon broadband at home. so I haven't fooled around with this
> for many years.
>
> Thanx
>
> Doc.
> ========================
>

Barry Watzman wrote:
> You have a lot of things confused.
>
> Neither Netscape nor any other browser "makes the connection". A dial
> up connection is made either by Dial-up networking, or by a dialer
> program from your ISP.
>
> As to your web browser, I'd definitely suggest that you upgrade from
> Netscape 7.2 to FireFox 2. You will not see much difference ... Firefox
> and Netscape are based on the same code, and the look and feel is
> similar (almost identical) and Firefox can import all of your settings &
> bookmarks. BUT, it's about 4 years later and MUCH more secure. [FireFox
> is just a web browser, it does not have an E-Mail client, which Netscape
> 7.2 did. If you need an E-Mail client, "Thunderbird" is the
> corresponding E-Mail software. Like FireFox/Netscape, Thunderbird is
> based on the same code, just updated. So you will immediately be
> comfortable with it. It's basically a later version (4 years later) of
> the same thing.]
>
> I'd also update IE to IE7.
>
>
> Doc wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I admit, I'm an old geezer, (75) but I've been around computers for
>> sometime now, and have had many laptops, but it's been many years
>> since I've been on the road with a laptop.
>> My question is, , ,
>> I will be going to Oregon next month, and the place I will be staying
>> does not have direct internet access. I assume that I must use the
>> built-in modem on my Dell Laptop, but what programs do you suggest
>> that I use to connect to the internet?
>>
>> I am a longtime user of Netscape 7.2, but I think I need something to
>> actually make the connection. Is that correct? If so, what program do
>> you suggest?
>>
>> I have verizon broadband at home. so I haven't fooled around with this
>> for many years.
>>
>> Thanx
>>
>> Doc.
>> ========================
>>
My two cents after Barry's advice, which does not tell you actually how
to use dial-up.

Using only XP with any additional software, start by opening Control
panel, Internet, connection, Add. You should be able to fill the
necessary information ... once you know what access number you will be
using (read again Jerry's answer). Do not forget that hotels require use
to dial 9 (check this with yours) before access an outside line. So,
before the access number, you need to enter (9,) (nine comma). The comma
orders the modem to wait a short while, typically necessary for the
hotel exchange to allow you to dial an outside number.

Regarding Barry suggestion to move over to Firefox and Thunderbird, I
have one which will be even easier for you while giving you the same
security benefits. Try Seamonkey. To simplify, it combines Firefox and
Thunderbird in a unique program (I refuse to call programs "programs"
"clients" which actually has lost its initial meaning and now is used to
sound more "techie").

You will not notice much difference with Netscape 7.2. You only need to
unistall NS 7.2 (it is not necessary actually, but since using both
programs on the same profile will create problems, play it safe. Install
Seamonkey and launch it: it will recognize the profile you used with NS
and should work immediately; of course, creating a new profile from
scratch is better in some cases, but you risk nothing but taking the
easy route first.

Good luck!

--
John Doue

Seamonkey is an attempt to upgrade the Netscape "suite" AS A SUITE,
while FireFox and Thunderbird are the two components as separate
programs. The code is all the same. In theory, Seamonkey seems like it
would be as good as FireFox/Thunderbird, but I tried it and for some
reason (that I don't remember), I ended up removing it and installing
FireFox/Thunderbird separately. There was a specific issue/problem, but
I don't remember what it was.

[I also detested the name and the Icon .... Although I'm not crazy about
FireFox or Thunderbird, either Frankly, I liked Netscape.]


John Doue wrote:
> Barry Watzman wrote:
>> You have a lot of things confused.
>>
>> Neither Netscape nor any other browser "makes the connection". A dial
>> up connection is made either by Dial-up networking, or by a dialer
>> program from your ISP.
>>
>> As to your web browser, I'd definitely suggest that you upgrade from
>> Netscape 7.2 to FireFox 2. You will not see much difference ...
>> Firefox and Netscape are based on the same code, and the look and feel
>> is similar (almost identical) and Firefox can import all of your
>> settings & bookmarks. BUT, it's about 4 years later and MUCH more
>> secure. [FireFox is just a web browser, it does not have an E-Mail
>> client, which Netscape 7.2 did. If you need an E-Mail client,
>> "Thunderbird" is the corresponding E-Mail software. Like
>> FireFox/Netscape, Thunderbird is based on the same code, just
>> updated. So you will immediately be comfortable with it. It's
>> basically a later version (4 years later) of the same thing.]
>>
>> I'd also update IE to IE7.
>>
>>
>> Doc wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I admit, I'm an old geezer, (75) but I've been around computers for
>>> sometime now, and have had many laptops, but it's been many years
>>> since I've been on the road with a laptop.
>>> My question is, , ,
>>> I will be going to Oregon next month, and the place I will be staying
>>> does not have direct internet access. I assume that I must use the
>>> built-in modem on my Dell Laptop, but what programs do you suggest
>>> that I use to connect to the internet?
>>>
>>> I am a longtime user of Netscape 7.2, but I think I need something to
>>> actually make the connection. Is that correct? If so, what program do
>>> you suggest?
>>>
>>> I have verizon broadband at home. so I haven't fooled around with this
>>> for many years.
>>>
>>> Thanx
>>>
>>> Doc.
>>> ========================
>>>
> My two cents after Barry's advice, which does not tell you actually how
> to use dial-up.
>
> Using only XP with any additional software, start by opening Control
> panel, Internet, connection, Add. You should be able to fill the
> necessary information ... once you know what access number you will be
> using (read again Jerry's answer). Do not forget that hotels require use
> to dial 9 (check this with yours) before access an outside line. So,
> before the access number, you need to enter (9,) (nine comma). The comma
> orders the modem to wait a short while, typically necessary for the
> hotel exchange to allow you to dial an outside number.
>
> Regarding Barry suggestion to move over to Firefox and Thunderbird, I
> have one which will be even easier for you while giving you the same
> security benefits. Try Seamonkey. To simplify, it combines Firefox and
> Thunderbird in a unique program (I refuse to call programs "programs"
> "clients" which actually has lost its initial meaning and now is used to
> sound more "techie").
>
> You will not notice much difference with Netscape 7.2. You only need to
> unistall NS 7.2 (it is not necessary actually, but since using both
> programs on the same profile will create problems, play it safe. Install
> Seamonkey and launch it: it will recognize the profile you used with NS
> and should work immediately; of course, creating a new profile from
> scratch is better in some cases, but you risk nothing but taking the
> easy route first.
>
> Good luck!
>

Barry Watzman wrote:
> Seamonkey is an attempt to upgrade the Netscape "suite" AS A SUITE,
> while FireFox and Thunderbird are the two components as separate
> programs. The code is all the same. In theory, Seamonkey seems like it
> would be as good as FireFox/Thunderbird, but I tried it and for some
> reason (that I don't remember), I ended up removing it and installing
> FireFox/Thunderbird separately. There was a specific issue/problem, but
> I don't remember what it was.
>
> [I also detested the name and the Icon .... Although I'm not crazy about
> FireFox or Thunderbird, either Frankly, I liked Netscape.]
>
>
> John Doue wrote:
>> Barry Watzman wrote:
>>> You have a lot of things confused.
>>>
>>> Neither Netscape nor any other browser "makes the connection". A
>>> dial up connection is made either by Dial-up networking, or by a
>>> dialer program from your ISP.
>>>
>>> As to your web browser, I'd definitely suggest that you upgrade from
>>> Netscape 7.2 to FireFox 2. You will not see much difference ...
>>> Firefox and Netscape are based on the same code, and the look and
>>> feel is similar (almost identical) and Firefox can import all of your
>>> settings & bookmarks. BUT, it's about 4 years later and MUCH more
>>> secure. [FireFox is just a web browser, it does not have an E-Mail
>>> client, which Netscape 7.2 did. If you need an E-Mail client,
>>> "Thunderbird" is the corresponding E-Mail software. Like
>>> FireFox/Netscape, Thunderbird is based on the same code, just
>>> updated. So you will immediately be comfortable with it. It's
>>> basically a later version (4 years later) of the same thing.]
>>>
>>> I'd also update IE to IE7.
>>>
>>>
>>> Doc wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I admit, I'm an old geezer, (75) but I've been around computers for
>>>> sometime now, and have had many laptops, but it's been many years
>>>> since I've been on the road with a laptop.
>>>> My question is, , ,
>>>> I will be going to Oregon next month, and the place I will be staying
>>>> does not have direct internet access. I assume that I must use the
>>>> built-in modem on my Dell Laptop, but what programs do you suggest
>>>> that I use to connect to the internet?
>>>>
>>>> I am a longtime user of Netscape 7.2, but I think I need something to
>>>> actually make the connection. Is that correct? If so, what program do
>>>> you suggest?
>>>>
>>>> I have verizon broadband at home. so I haven't fooled around with this
>>>> for many years.
>>>>
>>>> Thanx
>>>>
>>>> Doc.
>>>> ========================
>>>>
>> My two cents after Barry's advice, which does not tell you actually
>> how to use dial-up.
>>
>> Using only XP with any additional software, start by opening Control
>> panel, Internet, connection, Add. You should be able to fill the
>> necessary information ... once you know what access number you will be
>> using (read again Jerry's answer). Do not forget that hotels require
>> use to dial 9 (check this with yours) before access an outside line.
>> So, before the access number, you need to enter (9,) (nine comma). The
>> comma orders the modem to wait a short while, typically necessary for
>> the hotel exchange to allow you to dial an outside number.
>>
>> Regarding Barry suggestion to move over to Firefox and Thunderbird, I
>> have one which will be even easier for you while giving you the same
>> security benefits. Try Seamonkey. To simplify, it combines Firefox and
>> Thunderbird in a unique program (I refuse to call programs "programs"
>> "clients" which actually has lost its initial meaning and now is used
>> to sound more "techie").
>>
>> You will not notice much difference with Netscape 7.2. You only need
>> to unistall NS 7.2 (it is not necessary actually, but since using both
>> programs on the same profile will create problems, play it safe.
>> Install Seamonkey and launch it: it will recognize the profile you
>> used with NS and should work immediately; of course, creating a new
>> profile from scratch is better in some cases, but you risk nothing but
>> taking the easy route first.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
Well, I tried it, but I DO KNOW that it works as well as Firefox and
Thunderbird, which is quite understandable. The only thing that can be
held against Seamonkey is its lack of exposure, which makes extensions
and themes a little more difficult to find and not as diversified as
those for the two separate components.

Then Barry, you are wrong in stating > Seamonkey is an attempt to
upgrade the Netscape "suite" AS A SUITE.
Seamonkey is the successor of Mozilla Suite, whose developpement was
stopped for reasons I won't go into, since I do not really understand
them! Ok, you can argue that Mozilla Suite is an upgrade of Netscape ...
which I would tend to agree with. What do you use as a browser? Don't
tell me you use IE7 ..., an attempt to upgrade IE6, which was an attempt
to upgrade IE5 ... with always the same pityful results!

Regards


--
John Doue

Let me rephrase myself.

I am running XP on a Dell laptop. Do I need a dialler program or can I
use XP to connect to the web??
And then use the web browser of my choice?

Doc
================================




On Aug 13, 12:01 pm, Doc <drpepp...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> I admit, I'm an old geezer, (75) but I've been around computers for
> sometime now, and have had many laptops, but it's been many years
> since I've been on the road with a laptop.
> My question is, , ,
> I will be going to Oregon next month, and the place I will be staying
> does not have direct internet access. I assume that I must use the
> built-in modem on my Dell Laptop, but what programs do you suggest
> that I use to connect to the internet?
>



> I am a longtime user of Netscape 7.2, but I think I need something to
> actually make the connection. Is that correct? If so, what program do
> you suggest?
>
> I have verizon broadband at home. so I haven't fooled around with this
> for many years.
>
> Thanx
>
> Doc.
> ========================

"Doc" <drpepper5@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1187205889.338307.33830@e9g2000prf.googlegrou ps.com...
> Let me rephrase myself.
>
> I am running XP on a Dell laptop. Do I need a dialler program or can I
> use XP to connect to the web??
> And then use the web browser of my choice?
>
> Doc

You do not need a dialer. XP is caplable of dialing. Just create a new
network connection:
Start - Settings - Network Connections - New Connection Wizard

Before you start you will need to have the phone number of the ISP and a
modem installed in the laptop (most laptops already have a modem built in)

SL

I use FireFox 2 as my primary browser, and IE7 as my secondary browser
(although it is set as the default in XP). I use Outlook (Full Outlook,
not Outlook Express) as my E-Mail program, but I use Thunderbird for
Newsgroups (and nothing else).

IE7 is really ok IF you configure it right. In particular that means
turning on the menu bar, which is off by default. The only thing I
really don't like is the location of the refresh button.


John Doue wrote:

>
> Then Barry, you are wrong in stating > Seamonkey is an attempt to
> upgrade the Netscape "suite" AS A SUITE.
> Seamonkey is the successor of Mozilla Suite, whose developpement was
> stopped for reasons I won't go into, since I do not really understand
> them! Ok, you can argue that Mozilla Suite is an upgrade of Netscape ...
> which I would tend to agree with. What do you use as a browser? Don't
> tell me you use IE7 ..., an attempt to upgrade IE6, which was an attempt
> to upgrade IE5 ... with always the same pityful results!
>
> Regards
>
>

You definitely use the web browser of your choice.

As to making the connection: What you first need is an ISP (Internet
Service Provider .... someone to call, a phone number to dial). Your
broadband (cable or DSL) ISP MAY also have nationwide dial-up that you
can use at no extra cost; otherwise, you will have to get a dial-up
account with a new ISP.

Most ISPs will provide their own dialer program. However, I personally
prefer not to use these unless absolutely necessary, but rather to
manually configure a connection in XP's built-in network connection
modules. Usually this is fairly straightforward, but sometimes it is
difficult, and in a few instances it's virtually or totally impossible.


Doc wrote:
> Let me rephrase myself.
>
> I am running XP on a Dell laptop. Do I need a dialler program or can I
> use XP to connect to the web??
> And then use the web browser of my choice?
>
> Doc
> ================================
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 12:01 pm, Doc <drpepp...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I admit, I'm an old geezer, (75) but I've been around computers for
>> sometime now, and have had many laptops, but it's been many years
>> since I've been on the road with a laptop.
>> My question is, , ,
>> I will be going to Oregon next month, and the place I will be staying
>> does not have direct internet access. I assume that I must use the
>> built-in modem on my Dell Laptop, but what programs do you suggest
>> that I use to connect to the internet?
>>
>
>
>
>> I am a longtime user of Netscape 7.2, but I think I need something to
>> actually make the connection. Is that correct? If so, what program do
>> you suggest?
>>
>> I have verizon broadband at home. so I haven't fooled around with this
>> for many years.
>>
>> Thanx
>>
>> Doc.
>> ========================
>
>

Barry Watzman wrote:
> I use FireFox 2 as my primary browser, and IE7 as my secondary browser
> (although it is set as the default in XP). I use Outlook (Full Outlook,
> not Outlook Express) as my E-Mail program, but I use Thunderbird for
> Newsgroups (and nothing else).
>
> IE7 is really ok IF you configure it right. In particular that means
> turning on the menu bar, which is off by default. The only thing I
> really don't like is the location of the refresh button.
>
>
> John Doue wrote:
>
>>
>> Then Barry, you are wrong in stating > Seamonkey is an attempt to
>> upgrade the Netscape "suite" AS A SUITE.
>> Seamonkey is the successor of Mozilla Suite, whose developpement was
>> stopped for reasons I won't go into, since I do not really understand
>> them! Ok, you can argue that Mozilla Suite is an upgrade of Netscape
>> ... which I would tend to agree with. What do you use as a browser?
>> Don't tell me you use IE7 ..., an attempt to upgrade IE6, which was an
>> attempt to upgrade IE5 ... with always the same pityful results!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
Barry, ok, that's a relief! I would not use Outlook for my email, but I
have basic needs that TB fulfills perfectly.

I have experimented with IE7 and found it was not straightforward to
configure the way I wanted. I have Firefox and SM, so it is a rare day I
need to launch IE7. Almost always, it is an abusive program that
launches it, not taking into account the fact I set Firefox as default.

Regards

--
John Doue

On Aug 15, 2:17 pm, "SL" <some...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> "Doc" <drpepp...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1187205889.338307.33830@e9g2000prf.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> > Let me rephrase myself.
>
> > I am running XP on a Dell laptop. Do I need a dialler program or can I
> > use XP to connect to the web??
> > And then use the web browser of my choice?
>
> > Doc
>
> You do not need a dialer. XP is caplable of dialing. Just create a new
> network connection:
> Start - Settings - Network Connections - New Connection Wizard
>
> Before you start you will need to have the phone number of the ISP and a
> modem installed in the laptop (most laptops already have a modem built in)
>
> SL

THANK YOU,,, That's what I was looking for.

Doc
=======================

I believe that Outlook (again, full Outlook, not outlook express) is a
very good E-Mail client. It has a lot of capabilities that Netscape /
Thunderbird / SeaMonkey do not have. But it does not do newsgroups at all.

John Doue wrote:
> Barry Watzman wrote:
>> I use FireFox 2 as my primary browser, and IE7 as my secondary browser
>> (although it is set as the default in XP). I use Outlook (Full
>> Outlook, not Outlook Express) as my E-Mail program, but I use
>> Thunderbird for Newsgroups (and nothing else).
>>
>> IE7 is really ok IF you configure it right. In particular that means
>> turning on the menu bar, which is off by default. The only thing I
>> really don't like is the location of the refresh button.
>>
>>
>> John Doue wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Then Barry, you are wrong in stating > Seamonkey is an attempt to
>>> upgrade the Netscape "suite" AS A SUITE.
>>> Seamonkey is the successor of Mozilla Suite, whose developpement was
>>> stopped for reasons I won't go into, since I do not really understand
>>> them! Ok, you can argue that Mozilla Suite is an upgrade of Netscape
>>> ... which I would tend to agree with. What do you use as a browser?
>>> Don't tell me you use IE7 ..., an attempt to upgrade IE6, which was
>>> an attempt to upgrade IE5 ... with always the same pityful results!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
> Barry, ok, that's a relief! I would not use Outlook for my email, but I
> have basic needs that TB fulfills perfectly.
>
> I have experimented with IE7 and found it was not straightforward to
> configure the way I wanted. I have Firefox and SM, so it is a rare day I
> need to launch IE7. Almost always, it is an abusive program that
> launches it, not taking into account the fact I set Firefox as default.
>
> Regards
>

"Doc" <drpepper5@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1187031660.361454.156300@e9g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi,
> I admit, I'm an old geezer, (75) but I've been around computers for
> sometime now, and have had many laptops, but it's been many years
> since I've been on the road with a laptop.
> My question is, , ,
> I will be going to Oregon next month, and the place I will be staying
> does not have direct internet access. I assume that I must use the
> built-in modem on my Dell Laptop, but what programs do you suggest
> that I use to connect to the internet?
>
> I am a longtime user of Netscape 7.2, but I think I need something to
> actually make the connection. Is that correct? If so, what program do
> you suggest?
>
> I have verizon broadband at home. so I haven't fooled around with this
> for many years.
>
> Thanx
>
> Doc.
> ========================
>
If you need an ISP for a few days, stop into a CompUSA and pick up a
Netscape/aol/Juno / other free to try ISP CD and install it.
Try it from home to see if it works Ok for you BEFORE you go ( so you can
be sure it works when you get there). Create a AOL/JUNO ... username +
password and try it. Once connected to internet, then minimize that screen
( to leave connection open but not see "their stuff" and open your browser
of choice. To fetch your email go to verizon.net and login. ( if you've
never done that - try that from home too)

Maybe I'll see you in Oregon - I'm heading there mid-late Sept. If so -
wave.

Bobb


It will allow you to connect to internet for free ( assuming hotel room
doesn't charge).