On new laptops, there are SATA drives and not PATA drives. XP asks for SATA
drivers from a floppy drive and will stop if there is no floppy drive. I
have not found a way to bypass this, though I have the SATA drivers which I
can put on a CD. Is there any way to circumvent this?

"Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
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> On new laptops, there are SATA drives and not PATA drives. XP asks for
> SATA drivers from a floppy drive and will stop if there is no floppy
> drive. I have not found a way to bypass this, though I have the SATA
> drivers which I can put on a CD. Is there any way to circumvent this?

Typically when you purchase a new laptop the OS is already installed be it
on a SATA or PATA drive.

"Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
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> On new laptops, there are SATA drives and not PATA drives. XP asks for
> SATA drivers from a floppy drive and will stop if there is no floppy
> drive. I have not found a way to bypass this, though I have the SATA
> drivers which I can put on a CD. Is there any way to circumvent this?
>

make up a slipstream OS CD and include the SATA drivers

http://blog.waynehartman.com/archive/2007/04/10/64.aspx

Put the SATA drivers on a CD. During installation you will come to a point
where you're asked if there are any other disk drives to search for. Answer
yess and when prompted, use the driver CD. Be sure you know how to get to
the file location XP will need.

Or go into the BIOS and set the HDD to ATA Compatibility. After XP is
installed and you have the drivers on the HDD, restart, change the BIOS to
SATS and get the drivers ready to install when asked.


"Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
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> On new laptops, there are SATA drives and not PATA drives. XP asks for
> SATA drivers from a floppy drive and will stop if there is no floppy
> drive. I have not found a way to bypass this, though I have the SATA
> drivers which I can put on a CD. Is there any way to circumvent this?
>

Get a USB floppy.

It's bad that XP's F6 driver has no ability to redirect it's driver
search to a CD. It means that you really need a USB floppy drive.
Fortunately, they are cheap (under $20). If you get the "right one"
(meaning one that is fully compatible with that laptop's BIOS (most are
these days)), it will function fully as an internal floppy would, as
drive A:, you can even boot from it.


Nabob wrote:
> On new laptops, there are SATA drives and not PATA drives. XP asks for SATA
> drivers from a floppy drive and will stop if there is no floppy drive. I
> have not found a way to bypass this, though I have the SATA drivers which I
> can put on a CD. Is there any way to circumvent this?
>
>

Jerry, you don't understand the issue or the question.

He's trying to take a new laptop that came from the factory brand new
with Vista, wipe the hard drive and manually install a generic OEM or
retail "full product" copy of XP. XP (NO VERSION of XP) does not
natively understand or talk to SATA drives. Period. Never (without
drivers or emulation). And in particular, the XP installation program
(Winnt.exe) is even dumber than XP itself.

There is a solution, it's called using an "F6 Disk" (if you don't know
what an F6 disk is, look it up). However, again, this was a capability
in the XP setup program (Winnt.exe) that was written back in the 1990's
primarily to support installation of Windows on RAID arrays. It ONLY
understands floppy drives, there is no way to redirect it to ANY other
drive ... not to a CD or anything else. And without it, XP's setup
program (Winnt.exe) will see the system as not having a hard drive at
all (since the only hard drive present will be a SATA drive, which it
doesn't recognize or talk to), and the installation will terminate.

[Note: SOME computer BIOS' have built-in IDE emulation of their SATA
ports and drives. If a computer's bios has such a feature, great, it
solves the problem. Unfortunately, prevailing practice is that Desktops
have this ability and laptops don't (undoubtedly yes, there are
exceptions, but that's the prevailing practice).]

The good news is that the emulation of an internal floppy drive from a
compatible external USB floppy drive is virtually perfect. You can boot
from such a floppy drive, and the F6 driver feature will also work from
such a drive.

Jerry wrote:
> "Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:13bgv835heufpc9@news.supernews.com...
>> On new laptops, there are SATA drives and not PATA drives. XP asks for
>> SATA drivers from a floppy drive and will stop if there is no floppy
>> drive. I have not found a way to bypass this, though I have the SATA
>> drivers which I can put on a CD. Is there any way to circumvent this?
>
> Typically when you purchase a new laptop the OS is already installed be it
> on a SATA or PATA drive.
>
>

That may be another solution, although to me it seems that a USB floppy
is still an easier way to go. I'm also not certain that it will work
for installation .... there is a difference between adding a driver to
Windows XP itself, and adding a driver to the Windows SETUP program
(Winnt.exe), which is what an F6 disk does.

Yes Baby wrote:
> "Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:13bgv835heufpc9@news.supernews.com...
>> On new laptops, there are SATA drives and not PATA drives. XP asks for
>> SATA drivers from a floppy drive and will stop if there is no floppy
>> drive. I have not found a way to bypass this, though I have the SATA
>> drivers which I can put on a CD. Is there any way to circumvent this?
>>
>
> make up a slipstream OS CD and include the SATA drivers
>
> http://blog.waynehartman.com/archive/2007/04/10/64.aspx
>
>

John, I don't think that you can use a CD for drivers that will be need
for/during the installation itself (before Windows is actually even
running).

As to "set the HDD to ATA Compatibility", that's fine if the BIOS has
that feature. Unfortunately, the BIOS' of most new laptops do not have
that feature. It's primarily found on desktop PCs.


John wrote:
> Put the SATA drivers on a CD. During installation you will come to a point
> where you're asked if there are any other disk drives to search for. Answer
> yess and when prompted, use the driver CD. Be sure you know how to get to
> the file location XP will need.
>
> Or go into the BIOS and set the HDD to ATA Compatibility. After XP is
> installed and you have the drivers on the HDD, restart, change the BIOS to
> SATS and get the drivers ready to install when asked.
>
>
> "Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:13bgv835heufpc9@news.supernews.com...
>> On new laptops, there are SATA drives and not PATA drives. XP asks for
>> SATA drivers from a floppy drive and will stop if there is no floppy
>> drive. I have not found a way to bypass this, though I have the SATA
>> drivers which I can put on a CD. Is there any way to circumvent this?
>>
>
>

"Yes Baby" <2468@never2latebtinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:13bgv835heufpc9@news.supernews.com...
>> On new laptops, there are SATA drives and not PATA drives. XP asks for
>> SATA drivers from a floppy drive and will stop if there is no floppy
>> drive. I have not found a way to bypass this, though I have the SATA
>> drivers which I can put on a CD. Is there any way to circumvent this?
>>
>
> make up a slipstream OS CD and include the SATA drivers
>
> http://blog.waynehartman.com/archive/2007/04/10/64.aspx

Thank you, it worked.

"Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Yes Baby" <2468@never2latebtinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:zNqdncOPRaohPyXbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:13bgv835heufpc9@news.supernews.com...
>>> On new laptops, there are SATA drives and not PATA drives. XP asks for
>>> SATA drivers from a floppy drive and will stop if there is no floppy
>>> drive. I have not found a way to bypass this, though I have the SATA
>>> drivers which I can put on a CD. Is there any way to circumvent this?
>>>
>>
>> make up a slipstream OS CD and include the SATA drivers
>>
>> http://blog.waynehartman.com/archive/2007/04/10/64.aspx
>
> Thank you, it worked.
>

great, and did you read this Barry.

In article <46b90802$0$3148$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:

[snip]

>The good news is that the emulation of an internal floppy drive from a
>compatible external USB floppy drive is virtually perfect. You can boot
>from such a floppy drive, and the F6 driver feature will also work from
>such a drive.

Ah ... there's the rub. Nobody can define "compatible" and it isn't listed
in the specs when you go shopping. I think you can pretty much conclude
that some drives that, in this day and age, need device drivers (Samsung,
Sony come to mind) will not make that list. But beyond that, how do you
choose?

Yes, I saw it. If it works, great. To my way of thinking, a USB floppy
is still an easier way to go.

Yes Baby wrote:
> "Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:13bi9de76ptj140@news.supernews.com...
>> "Yes Baby" <2468@never2latebtinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:zNqdncOPRaohPyXbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> "Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
>>> news:13bgv835heufpc9@news.supernews.com...
>>>> On new laptops, there are SATA drives and not PATA drives. XP asks for
>>>> SATA drivers from a floppy drive and will stop if there is no floppy
>>>> drive. I have not found a way to bypass this, though I have the SATA
>>>> drivers which I can put on a CD. Is there any way to circumvent this?
>>>>
>>> make up a slipstream OS CD and include the SATA drivers
>>>
>>> http://blog.waynehartman.com/archive/2007/04/10/64.aspx
>> Thank you, it worked.
>>
>
> great, and did you read this Barry.
>
>

This used to be an issue, but in the past two years or so, every USB
floppy drive I've tried has been compatible with every laptop I've tried
it on. I think that about 2-3 years ago, an industry group set a
standard that everyone is following in current and recent past products.


Mike S. wrote:
> In article <46b90802$0$3148$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> The good news is that the emulation of an internal floppy drive from a
>> compatible external USB floppy drive is virtually perfect. You can boot
>>from such a floppy drive, and the F6 driver feature will also work from
>> such a drive.
>
> Ah ... there's the rub. Nobody can define "compatible" and it isn't listed
> in the specs when you go shopping. I think you can pretty much conclude
> that some drives that, in this day and age, need device drivers (Samsung,
> Sony come to mind) will not make that list. But beyond that, how do you
> choose?
>
>

Barry Watzman wrote:
> That may be another solution, although to me it seems that a USB floppy
> is still an easier way to go. I'm also not certain that it will work
> for installation .... there is a difference between adding a driver to
> Windows XP itself, and adding a driver to the Windows SETUP program
> (Winnt.exe), which is what an F6 disk does.
>
> Yes Baby wrote:
>> "Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:13bgv835heufpc9@news.supernews.com...
>>> On new laptops, there are SATA drives and not PATA drives. XP asks
>>> for SATA drivers from a floppy drive and will stop if there is no
>>> floppy drive. I have not found a way to bypass this, though I have
>>> the SATA drivers which I can put on a CD. Is there any way to
>>> circumvent this?
>>>
>>
>> make up a slipstream OS CD and include the SATA drivers
>>
>> http://blog.waynehartman.com/archive/2007/04/10/64.aspx
>>

Many, if not most or all, notebooks new in the last say four years will
recognize an attached USB floppy drive by the BIOS on boot, so the use
of a USB floppy should work at F6 during the installation of XP. XP
"wants" the F6 drivers in the root of the A: drive.

Note from microsoft: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=47971

XP installer recognizes only three USB drives:
Mitsumi...(no part number given by microsoft)
Sony ..part number 09K9835(unable to find anywhere)
IBM/teac .. 27L4226 ...the one I am recommending to everyone.


Most instructions call for SATA drivers slipsteamed into the XP intall
disk, but these are usually for desktop installs. Slipsteaming can be
done easily with nLite http://www.nliteos.com/.

Q

"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:46ba1130$0$29664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Yes, I saw it. If it works, great. To my way of thinking, a USB floppy
> is still an easier way to go.
>
> Yes Baby wrote:
>> "Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:13bi9de76ptj140@news.supernews.com...
>>> "Yes Baby" <2468@never2latebtinternet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:zNqdncOPRaohPyXbnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> "Nabob" <nabob@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:13bgv835heufpc9@news.supernews.com...
>>>>> On new laptops, there are SATA drives and not PATA drives. XP asks for
>>>>> SATA drivers from a floppy drive and will stop if there is no floppy
>>>>> drive. I have not found a way to bypass this, though I have the SATA
>>>>> drivers which I can put on a CD. Is there any way to circumvent this?
>>>>>
>>>> make up a slipstream OS CD and include the SATA drivers
>>>>
>>>> http://blog.waynehartman.com/archive/2007/04/10/64.aspx
>>> Thank you, it worked.
>>>
>>
>> great, and did you read this Barry.

yes if you got one fitted.............but no fukin good if you aint.