I saw in the Sunday paper today that Circuit City has a free printer,
wireless -Grouter $ internet Security 2007 software with purchase of
any notebook, excluding HP and Compac.This is after rebates of course.
Perhaps as X-mas gets closer, the deals will get better if the
retailers aren't having the best season.

Both CC and Best Buy have the Toshiba M115 deal back at $599 (Core Duo,
with DVD burner). As you note, at CC you can (at your option) get a
free printer, router and security software, but rebates are involved
(even with the base computer only). The BB deal is an outright buy with
no rebates. One of the other stores (Office Depot, I think) also had a
Celeron laptop at $499. So there definitely are more and better deals
this week than were available last week (including even just yesterday).
Try to get a machine with XP Media Center instead of XP Home, the
Vista upgrade option is a lot better, the equivalent of $100 to $200 better.



shareyourknowledge********.com wrote:
> I saw in the Sunday paper today that Circuit City has a free printer,
> wireless -Grouter $ internet Security 2007 software with purchase of
> any notebook, excluding HP and Compac.This is after rebates of course.
> Perhaps as X-mas gets closer, the deals will get better if the
> retailers aren't having the best season.
>

"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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[...]
> Vista upgrade option is a lot better, the equivalent of $100 to $200
> better.

I am not convinced that Vista is even going to be a hit. Luckily most
people still run Windows XP mostly and it will continue that way for
some time will come. Not everything Microsoft does turns to gold you
know. ;)

--
Bill

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
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> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:457c3ea0$0$13686$4c368faf@roadrunner.com
> [...]
>> Vista upgrade option is a lot better, the equivalent of $100 to $200
>> better.
>
> I am not convinced that Vista is even going to be a hit. Luckily most
> people still run Windows XP mostly and it will continue that way for some
> time will come. Not everything Microsoft does turns to gold you know. ;)
>
> --
> Bill

And Running Vista on anything that is not Duo Core, video card and 1 gig is
going to be like a blunt pencil...... pointless..

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
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> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:457c3ea0$0$13686$4c368faf@roadrunner.com
> [...]
>> Vista upgrade option is a lot better, the equivalent of $100 to $200
>> better.

On another note about vista, I thought that all computer makers were giving
free upgrade to vista? Im trying to think where i read it :(

> And Running Vista on anything that is not Duo Core, video card and 1 gig is
> going to be like a blunt pencil...... pointless..


the duo core is nice, but i also like 1 gb Ram min.

and i wouldn't get a 14" screen,
unless you really need/want it for portability [which some may]

waterboy

It doesn't matter whether or not Vista is a hit, it doesn't matter
whether at this time you plan to actually use it (install the upgrade)
or not. The laptop will have a life of probably 3 years, after which it
will likely be sold as a used laptop. The Vista upgrade is worth $100
to $200 and is FREE (with media center or Pro). It has SUBSTANTIAL
value, and it's free, so take it. You may use it immediately, you may
not use it immediately but want it "down the road", or you may never use
it but it may add $100 to $200 to what you get for the used laptop when
you resell it (it may, in fact, be worth more than the hardware). It's
Free, and it's got substantial value, and to not take it is just plain dumb.


BillW50 wrote:
> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:457c3ea0$0$13686$4c368faf@roadrunner.com
> [...]
>> Vista upgrade option is a lot better, the equivalent of $100 to $200
>> better.
>
> I am not convinced that Vista is even going to be a hit. Luckily most
> people still run Windows XP mostly and it will continue that way for
> some time will come. Not everything Microsoft does turns to gold you
> know. ;)
>

This is the deal:

If the computer comes with XP Home now ....
Upgrade to Vista Basic costs $40 to $60 (set by the OEM)

If the computer comes with XP Media Center now ....
Upgrade to Vista Premium is free

If the computer comes with XP Pro now ....
Upgrade to Vista Business is free

The value (cost) of:

-Vista Basic is about $100
-Vista Premium is about $160
-Vista Business is about $220

The computer OEMs may or may not also charge for shipping, for all
versions, at their own discretion. Dell is charging $10 for shipping.
Other vendors vary, some are charging $8 to $20 for shipping, some are
not charging anything.

This is why, if at all possible, when buying a new computer now you
should look for one that comes with XP Media Center instead of XP Home
(XP Pro will usually add $100 to the cost of the computer, but Media
Center is now frequently offered at base price or the same price as XP Home)


Gaylord wrote:

>
> On another note about vista, I thought that all computer makers were giving
> free upgrade to vista? Im trying to think where i read it :(
>
>
>

i just noticed CompUsa has a very interesting 17" HP
at $850 [after rebate]

but it only has 512mb of Ram
and i can't find any reliable ram upgrade on the WWW

http://www.compusa.com/products/prod...2106&pfp=dec10

i suppose we we'll see more tempting deals till xmas

waterboy

"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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> BillW50 wrote:
>> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:457c3ea0$0$13686$4c368faf@roadrunner.com
>> [...]
>>> Vista upgrade option is a lot better, the equivalent of $100 to $200
>>> better.
>>
>> I am not convinced that Vista is even going to be a hit. Luckily most
>> people still run Windows XP mostly and it will continue that way for
>> some time will come. Not everything Microsoft does turns to gold you
>> know. ;)
>
> It doesn't matter whether or not Vista is a hit, it doesn't
> matter whether at this time you plan to actually use it
> (install the upgrade) or not. The laptop will have a life of
> probably 3 years, after which it will likely be sold as a used
> laptop. The Vista upgrade is worth $100 to $200 and is FREE
> (with media center or Pro). It has SUBSTANTIAL value, and it's
> free, so take it. You may use it immediately, you may not use
> it immediately but want it "down the road", or you may never
> use it but it may add $100 to $200 to what you get for the used
> laptop when you resell it (it may, in fact, be worth more than
> the hardware). It's Free, and it's got substantial value, and
> to not take it is just plain dumb.

I seem to recall the same speech about Windows ME as well. Although most
people would value a Windwos 98SE machine more than one with Windows ME.
It is too early to tell, but the same thing could happen between Windows
XP and Vista.

And speaking about free, Linux has always been free. But you don't see
me getting excited over it. And until my software will run under it, I
won't either. ;)

And speaking about selling my computers, I don't do that. I give them
away to people who can't afford them.

As for me being dumb because I don't want Vista even if it is free, well
that is a matter of opinion. It is just some of us just doesn't get too
excited anymore. ;)

--
Bill

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
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> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:457cadf8$0$5735$4c368faf@roadrunner.com
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:457c3ea0$0$13686$4c368faf@roadrunner.com
>>> [...]
>>>> Vista upgrade option is a lot better, the equivalent of $100 to
>>>> $200
>>>> better.
>>>
>>> I am not convinced that Vista is even going to be a hit. Luckily
>>> most
>>> people still run Windows XP mostly and it will continue that way for
>>> some time will come. Not everything Microsoft does turns to gold you
>>> know. ;)
>>
>> It doesn't matter whether or not Vista is a hit, it doesn't
>> matter whether at this time you plan to actually use it
>> (install the upgrade) or not. The laptop will have a life of
>> probably 3 years, after which it will likely be sold as a used
>> laptop. The Vista upgrade is worth $100 to $200 and is FREE
>> (with media center or Pro). It has SUBSTANTIAL value, and it's
>> free, so take it. You may use it immediately, you may not use
>> it immediately but want it "down the road", or you may never
>> use it but it may add $100 to $200 to what you get for the used
>> laptop when you resell it (it may, in fact, be worth more than
>> the hardware). It's Free, and it's got substantial value, and
>> to not take it is just plain dumb.
>
> I seem to recall the same speech about Windows ME as well. Although
> most people would value a Windwos 98SE machine more than one with
> Windows ME. It is too early to tell, but the same thing could happen
> between Windows XP and Vista.
>
> And speaking about free, Linux has always been free. But you don't see
> me getting excited over it. And until my software will run under it, I
> won't either. ;)
>
> And speaking about selling my computers, I don't do that. I give them
> away to people who can't afford them.
>
> As for me being dumb because I don't want Vista even if it is free,
> well that is a matter of opinion. It is just some of us just doesn't
> get too excited anymore. ;)
>
> --
> Bill

Bill,

Speaking as someone who just did this: I'd rather have both than not.
I have the XP media center install DVDs ( I made a backup set and
ordered the complete install from HP) and next week ( when HP is taking
names) I will order the Vista MC dvd's - for free (shipping??) .
Otherwise if the new buyer (your donor) wants Vista, he'd have to buy it
at retail. ( BTW could only get ME from upgrade/OEM - not full install
at retail).
Whether I use Vista or not, I'll have the OPTION - although I'll proably
wait until SP1. Other than neat graphics it "didn't do anything for me"
either. I've beta-tested it for a year of so and only used it " when I
wanted to play". I have both versions of it on this PC currently - for
free - and use XP.

"- Bobb -" <bobb@noemail.123> wrote in message
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> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
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>> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:457cadf8$0$5735$4c368faf@roadrunner.com
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:457c3ea0$0$13686$4c368faf@roadrunner.com
>>>> [...]
>>>>> Vista upgrade option is a lot better, the equivalent of $100 to
>>>>> $200
>>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> I am not convinced that Vista is even going to be a hit. Luckily
>>>> most
>>>> people still run Windows XP mostly and it will continue that way
>>>> for some time will come. Not everything Microsoft does turns to
>>>> gold you know. ;)
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter whether or not Vista is a hit, it doesn't
>>> matter whether at this time you plan to actually use it
>>> (install the upgrade) or not. The laptop will have a life of
>>> probably 3 years, after which it will likely be sold as a used
>>> laptop. The Vista upgrade is worth $100 to $200 and is FREE
>>> (with media center or Pro). It has SUBSTANTIAL value, and it's
>>> free, so take it. You may use it immediately, you may not use
>>> it immediately but want it "down the road", or you may never
>>> use it but it may add $100 to $200 to what you get for the used
>>> laptop when you resell it (it may, in fact, be worth more than
>>> the hardware). It's Free, and it's got substantial value, and
>>> to not take it is just plain dumb.
>>
>> I seem to recall the same speech about Windows ME as well. Although
>> most people would value a Windwos 98SE machine more than one with
>> Windows ME. It is too early to tell, but the same thing could happen
>> between Windows XP and Vista.
>>
>> And speaking about free, Linux has always been free. But you don't
>> see me getting excited over it. And until my software will run under
>> it, I won't either. ;)
>>
>> And speaking about selling my computers, I don't do that. I give them
>> away to people who can't afford them.
>>
>> As for me being dumb because I don't want Vista even if it is free,
>> well that is a matter of opinion. It is just some of us just doesn't
>> get too excited anymore. ;)
>>
>> --
>> Bill
>
> Bill,
>
> Speaking as someone who just did this: I'd rather have both than not.
> I have the XP media center install DVDs ( I made a backup set and
> ordered the complete install from HP) and next week ( when HP is
> taking names) I will order the Vista MC dvd's - for free (shipping??)
> . Otherwise if the new buyer (your donor) wants Vista, he'd have to
> buy it at retail. ( BTW could only get ME from upgrade/OEM - not
> full install at retail).
> Whether I use Vista or not, I'll have the OPTION - although I'll
> proably wait until SP1. Other than neat graphics it "didn't do
> anything for me" either. I've beta-tested it for a year of so and
> only used it " when I wanted to play". I have both versions of it on
> this PC currently - for free - and use XP.

That is great Bobb! If you think you will use it, why not? Hell I still
have dozens of paychecks that I never cashed. Why? I didn't need them.
;)

--
Bill

BillW50 wrote:
> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:457cadf8$0$5735$4c368faf@roadrunner.com
>
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>
>>> "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:457c3ea0$0$13686$4c368faf@roadrunner.com
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Vista upgrade option is a lot better, the equivalent of $100 to $200
>>>> better.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not convinced that Vista is even going to be a hit. Luckily most
>>> people still run Windows XP mostly and it will continue that way for
>>> some time will come. Not everything Microsoft does turns to gold you
>>> know. ;)
>>
>>
>> It doesn't matter whether or not Vista is a hit, it doesn't
>> matter whether at this time you plan to actually use it
>> (install the upgrade) or not. The laptop will have a life of
>> probably 3 years, after which it will likely be sold as a used
>> laptop. The Vista upgrade is worth $100 to $200 and is FREE
>> (with media center or Pro). It has SUBSTANTIAL value, and it's
>> free, so take it. You may use it immediately, you may not use
>> it immediately but want it "down the road", or you may never
>> use it but it may add $100 to $200 to what you get for the used
>> laptop when you resell it (it may, in fact, be worth more than
>> the hardware). It's Free, and it's got substantial value, and
>> to not take it is just plain dumb.
>
>
> I seem to recall the same speech about Windows ME as well. Although most
> people would value a Windwos 98SE machine more than one with Windows ME.
> It is too early to tell, but the same thing could happen between Windows
> XP and Vista.
>
> And speaking about free, Linux has always been free. But you don't see
> me getting excited over it. And until my software will run under it, I
> won't either. ;)
>
> And speaking about selling my computers, I don't do that. I give them
> away to people who can't afford them.
>
> As for me being dumb because I don't want Vista even if it is free, well
> that is a matter of opinion. It is just some of us just doesn't get too
> excited anymore. ;)
>
Hi Bill,

Personally, I will get excited by a new OS from MS the day it is
sleeker, lighter, simpler and more reliable than the previous one.
Considering the demands it makes on hardware, I believe it will be
several years before a majority of users simply CAN run it efficiently.
Among those, some will be deterred by the price and by the registration
requirements. Of course, most buyers of new machines will run what they
find installed on the machine ...

I do not buy the argument that Vista will add value to a second hand
machine. If any, it will be marginal.

But until we have a realistic alternative to Windows (and I agree with
you, Linux is not one for most of us), unfortunately we are stuck with
whatever MS does to stimulate its bottom line ...

Regards

--
John Doue

BillW50 wrote:

> That is great Bobb! If you think you will use it, why not? Hell I still
> have dozens of paychecks that I never cashed. Why? I didn't need them.
> ;)

But they became stale dated after six months and uncashable. Vists is
stale dated as soon as you get the CD. Wonder how many megs of patches
there are to upgrade with as soon as the install is done. Probably more
than an friends 4 gig hard drive that was plenty big enough for Win 2000
and data.

Ian Singer

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>
> I seem to recall the same speech about Windows ME as well. Although most
> people would value a Windwos 98SE machine more than one with Windows ME.
> It is too early to tell, but the same thing could happen between Windows
> XP and Vista.
>
> And speaking about free, Linux has always been free. But you don't see
> me getting excited over it. And until my software will run under it, I
> won't either. ;)
>
> And speaking about selling my computers, I don't do that. I give them
> away to people who can't afford them.
>
> As for me being dumb because I don't want Vista even if it is free, well
> that is a matter of opinion. It is just some of us just doesn't get too
> excited anymore. ;)
>

Vista has happened to be failure even before it was officially
announced. It is not down-compatible, and it requires
super-high speed hardware with monster video card to run all features.

When U strip it off from all water-flows U get just a modified Win.XP.
By the way... all the graphical features was copied from Linux
and MacOS.

So there is nothing to be excited about in this new M$ product.

GA.