I am sorry the guy died but it leaves one question to ask CNET, If he was
your tech gadget guy why didn't have a GPS with him?

Even Fred Langa brought a few on long trips to try them out. I find this a
bit ironic and so do other techies.


http://www.google.com/custom?q=GPS&c...arch=langa.com



Bet you he had a MP3 player with him though.....

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...081119464.html

When using the Yahoo Maps, MapQuest and Google Maps online services to plot
directions from Grants Pass to Gold Beach, Yahoo and MapQuest both recommend
taking the same, safer highway route, while Google suggests a shortcut
through roads that become dangerous in winter.

Perhaps he did have a GPS with him, but it wouldn't have helped.

As it turns out, what happened was that he literally came to a "fork in
the road", a valid road that would have been shown on a GPS map, and
that went where he wanted to go, so he took it. But that road is
supposed to be closed from late October until April, and there is a gate
to close the road, and it had been closed with a chain and pad lock on
the gate. Well, some vandals had cut the padlock/chain, and the gate
had swung open (or was opened by the same people who cut the
chain/padlock). So seeing a valid road that went where he wanted to go,
he took it. GPS would not have helped, it would have shown him where he
was and it would have shown the road going to where he wanted to go.
But the road is dangerous in the winter (which is why it was supposed to
have been closed), his van slid off the road and got stuck off the road
and, well, you know the rest of the story. The only thing that would
have helped him would have been a working cell phone. He had a cell
phone, but there is no cell phone coverage in the remote,
little-traveled region where all of this occured.

Cheeky Bastard wrote:
> I am sorry the guy died but it leaves one question to ask CNET, If he was
> your tech gadget guy why didn't have a GPS with him?
>
> Even Fred Langa brought a few on long trips to try them out. I find this a
> bit ironic and so do other techies.
>
>
> http://www.google.com/custom?q=GPS&c...arch=langa.com
>
>
>
> Bet you he had a MP3 player with him though.....
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...081119464.html
>
> When using the Yahoo Maps, MapQuest and Google Maps online services to plot
> directions from Grants Pass to Gold Beach, Yahoo and MapQuest both recommend
> taking the same, safer highway route, while Google suggests a shortcut
> through roads that become dangerous in winter.
>
>

Barry Watzman wrote:

> have helped him would have been a working cell phone. He had a cell
> phone, but there is no cell phone coverage in the remote,
> little-traveled region where all of this occured.

I'm just waiting for the liberals to jump up and down and insist that
every new vehicle sold in the United States include a 406MHz PLB.

zwsdotcom******.com wrote:
>
> Barry Watzman wrote:
>
> > have helped him would have been a working cell phone. He had a cell
> > phone, but there is no cell phone coverage in the remote,
> > little-traveled region where all of this occured.
>
> I'm just waiting for the liberals to jump up and down and insist that
> every new vehicle sold in the United States include a 406MHz PLB.

Cool option!

Notan

Yeah, he could have died knowing exactly where he was....


On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 07:41:53 GMT, "Cheeky Bastard"
<InvalidEmail@aol.com> wrote:

>I am sorry the guy died but it leaves one question to ask CNET, If he was
>your tech gadget guy why didn't have a GPS with him?
>
>Even Fred Langa brought a few on long trips to try them out. I find this a
>bit ironic and so do other techies.
>
>
>http://www.google.com/custom?q=GPS&c...arch=langa.com
>
>
>
>Bet you he had a MP3 player with him though.....
>
>http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...081119464.html
>
>When using the Yahoo Maps, MapQuest and Google Maps online services to plot
>directions from Grants Pass to Gold Beach, Yahoo and MapQuest both recommend
>taking the same, safer highway route, while Google suggests a shortcut
>through roads that become dangerous in winter.
>

I'm holding out for WiMAX VOIP. It's popping up everywhere else in the world
but here. Could American telcos be the bottleneck?

El


"Notan" <notan@ddress.thatcanbespammed> wrote in message
news:457AD0AC.2995542B@ddress.thatcanbespammed...
> zwsdotcom******.com wrote:
>>
>> Barry Watzman wrote:
>>
>> > have helped him would have been a working cell phone. He had a cell
>> > phone, but there is no cell phone coverage in the remote,
>> > little-traveled region where all of this occured.
>>
>> I'm just waiting for the liberals to jump up and down and insist that
>> every new vehicle sold in the United States include a 406MHz PLB.
>
> Cool option!
>
> Notan

Notan wrote:

> > > have helped him would have been a working cell phone. He had a cell
> > > phone, but there is no cell phone coverage in the remote,
> >
> > I'm just waiting for the liberals to jump up and down and insist that
> > every new vehicle sold in the United States include a 406MHz PLB.
>
> Cool option!

Let's not forget the $0.75-in-the-dollar income tax appropriation that
would be required to fund all the false alarms.

zwsdotcom******.com wrote:
>
> Notan wrote:
>
> > > > have helped him would have been a working cell phone. He had a cell
> > > > phone, but there is no cell phone coverage in the remote,
> > >
> > > I'm just waiting for the liberals to jump up and down and insist that
> > > every new vehicle sold in the United States include a 406MHz PLB.
> >
> > Cool option!
>
> Let's not forget the $0.75-in-the-dollar income tax appropriation that
> would be required to fund all the false alarms.

What false alarms?

You hit the button, you pay.

Notan

Mr. Kim did exactly the correct things. He waited at the break down spot.
When it became apparent that rescue was not imminent he tried to hike out.
His biggest mistake was leaving the road and trying to follow the creek.
(But, with hypothermia, you don't always think straight.) The scale on the
map was not there or not correct. He hiked 10 miles, no easy feat in the
snow and cold, thinking the small town was 4 miles away. As to gadgets, a
portable - 5 Watt CB might have assisted, had he hiked up to the top of a
hill. Other survival equipment probably should have been carried. (A
survival bag with water, food, fire making stuff, saw, rope, tarp, etc..
should be in every car along with a first aid kit. You never know what you
might encounter when away from home. Earthquake, flood, or various
emergency situation.) If we were to fault him for that, we have to fault
99% of the population.


"Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEmail@aol.com> wrote in message
news:5Nteh.224$yC5.150@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net. ..
>I am sorry the guy died but it leaves one question to ask CNET, If he was
>your tech gadget guy why didn't have a GPS with him?
>
> Even Fred Langa brought a few on long trips to try them out. I find this a
> bit ironic and so do other techies.
>
>
> http://www.google.com/custom?q=GPS&c...arch=langa.com
>
>
>
> Bet you he had a MP3 player with him though.....
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...081119464.html
>
> When using the Yahoo Maps, MapQuest and Google Maps online services to
> plot directions from Grants Pass to Gold Beach, Yahoo and MapQuest both
> recommend taking the same, safer highway route, while Google suggests a
> shortcut through roads that become dangerous in winter.
>
>

I don't think (at least I hope not) anyone was faulting Mr. Kim. But a
critical evaluation of the circumstances is most certainly in order. To do
otherwise is to invite another tragedy.

This might be a good time to buy stock in OnStar. Would OnStar have saved
him? How many vehicles in America have it? Is there 100% coverage across the
country?

Just wondering.

El




> If we were to fault him for that, we have to fault 99% of the population.
>
>

I'm not sure that trying to hike out was ever the right idea. He had
minimal clothing, and only tennis shoes, in an area where the
temperatures were substantially below freezing with snow. He wasn't
going camping, it wasn't expected to be a survival situation. Most of
us don't carry survival equipment in our car.


Richard Johnson wrote:
> Mr. Kim did exactly the correct things. He waited at the break down spot.
> When it became apparent that rescue was not imminent he tried to hike out.
> His biggest mistake was leaving the road and trying to follow the creek.
> (But, with hypothermia, you don't always think straight.) The scale on the
> map was not there or not correct. He hiked 10 miles, no easy feat in the
> snow and cold, thinking the small town was 4 miles away. As to gadgets, a
> portable - 5 Watt CB might have assisted, had he hiked up to the top of a
> hill. Other survival equipment probably should have been carried. (A
> survival bag with water, food, fire making stuff, saw, rope, tarp, etc..
> should be in every car along with a first aid kit. You never know what you
> might encounter when away from home. Earthquake, flood, or various
> emergency situation.) If we were to fault him for that, we have to fault
> 99% of the population.
>
>
> "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEmail@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:5Nteh.224$yC5.150@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net. ..
>> I am sorry the guy died but it leaves one question to ask CNET, If he was
>> your tech gadget guy why didn't have a GPS with him?
>>
>> Even Fred Langa brought a few on long trips to try them out. I find this a
>> bit ironic and so do other techies.
>>
>>
>> http://www.google.com/custom?q=GPS&c...arch=langa.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Bet you he had a MP3 player with him though.....
>>
>> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...081119464.html
>>
>> When using the Yahoo Maps, MapQuest and Google Maps online services to
>> plot directions from Grants Pass to Gold Beach, Yahoo and MapQuest both
>> recommend taking the same, safer highway route, while Google suggests a
>> shortcut through roads that become dangerous in winter.
>>
>>
>
>

Yes, I believe I made that point when I said 99% of the population did not
carry survival stuff, or have a well thought out emergency kit. I for one
do carry one in all 4 of my vehicles. I figured out that should an
emergency situation happen like the Northridge earthquake, or some other
emergency situation happen, it would be better to be able to survive for 3
to 4 days without any help, perhaps longer by going to half rations. I keep
a kit in each car in a sports bag in the trunk. The only thing I have
trouble with is rotating the ration food, as I don't normally eat the
granola bars, nuts, jerky, and hard candy, and the vitamins. I do rotate
the water though. I am suprised that no one picked up on the old tech of a
CB, and realized had the carried one, they might have been out of the woods
in a couple of hours.


"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:457afd42$0$11072$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> I'm not sure that trying to hike out was ever the right idea. He had
> minimal clothing, and only tennis shoes, in an area where the temperatures
> were substantially below freezing with snow. He wasn't going camping, it
> wasn't expected to be a survival situation. Most of us don't carry
> survival equipment in our car.
>
>
> Richard Johnson wrote:
>> Mr. Kim did exactly the correct things. He waited at the break down
>> spot. When it became apparent that rescue was not imminent he tried to
>> hike out. His biggest mistake was leaving the road and trying to follow
>> the creek. (But, with hypothermia, you don't always think straight.) The
>> scale on the map was not there or not correct. He hiked 10 miles, no
>> easy feat in the snow and cold, thinking the small town was 4 miles away.
>> As to gadgets, a portable - 5 Watt CB might have assisted, had he hiked
>> up to the top of a hill. Other survival equipment probably should have
>> been carried. (A survival bag with water, food, fire making stuff, saw,
>> rope, tarp, etc.. should be in every car along with a first aid kit. You
>> never know what you might encounter when away from home. Earthquake,
>> flood, or various emergency situation.) If we were to fault him for
>> that, we have to fault 99% of the population.
>>
>>
>> "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEmail@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:5Nteh.224$yC5.150@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net. ..
>>> I am sorry the guy died but it leaves one question to ask CNET, If he
>>> was your tech gadget guy why didn't have a GPS with him?
>>>
>>> Even Fred Langa brought a few on long trips to try them out. I find this
>>> a bit ironic and so do other techies.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/custom?q=GPS&c...arch=langa.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bet you he had a MP3 player with him though.....
>>>
>>> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...081119464.html
>>>
>>> When using the Yahoo Maps, MapQuest and Google Maps online services to
>>> plot directions from Grants Pass to Gold Beach, Yahoo and MapQuest both
>>> recommend taking the same, safer highway route, while Google suggests a
>>> shortcut through roads that become dangerous in winter.
>>>
>>>
>>

Thanks Barry,
Today I see more stories and post about that road and people who know it.
I gotta tell ya though it's hard to believe that there are still people out
there that don't pre-plan trips.
I use to drive tractor trailer so I'm used to mapping and listening to the
weather reports but I still recall the day I had a laptop on the counter at
the truckstop and a older driver asked what the hell is that thing? and I
told him I was Emailing my friends and doing my log book. (I was 21 back
then)
Now I sit here and think out of all the toys this guy tested an el-cheapo
$30 plug into the cigarette lighter Cobra handheld CB could have helped him
more than any high tech toy we have besides a SAT phone or a gps with the
emergency locator beacon.

Sorry the guy died but even campers are making fun of him being a gadget guy
and not preparing for this trip.
I guess some of us do spend too much time on the Internet because some of
the oldest survival tips could have saved him.

CB




"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:457acd7e$0$10988$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Perhaps he did have a GPS with him, but it wouldn't have helped.
>
> As it turns out, what happened was that he literally came to a "fork in
> the road", a valid road that would have been shown on a GPS map, and that
> went where he wanted to go, so he took it. But that road is supposed to
> be closed from late October until April, and there is a gate to close the
> road, and it had been closed with a chain and pad lock on the gate. Well,
> some vandals had cut the padlock/chain, and the gate had swung open (or
> was opened by the same people who cut the chain/padlock). So seeing a
> valid road that went where he wanted to go, he took it. GPS would not
> have helped, it would have shown him where he was and it would have shown
> the road going to where he wanted to go. But the road is dangerous in the
> winter (which is why it was supposed to have been closed), his van slid
> off the road and got stuck off the road and, well, you know the rest of
> the story. The only thing that would have helped him would have been a
> working cell phone. He had a cell phone, but there is no cell phone
> coverage in the remote, little-traveled region where all of this occured.
>
> Cheeky Bastard wrote:
>> I am sorry the guy died but it leaves one question to ask CNET, If he was
>> your tech gadget guy why didn't have a GPS with him?
>>
>> Even Fred Langa brought a few on long trips to try them out. I find this
>> a bit ironic and so do other techies.
>>
>>
>> http://www.google.com/custom?q=GPS&c...arch=langa.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Bet you he had a MP3 player with him though.....
>>
>> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...081119464.html
>>
>> When using the Yahoo Maps, MapQuest and Google Maps online services to
>> plot directions from Grants Pass to Gold Beach, Yahoo and MapQuest both
>> recommend taking the same, safer highway route, while Google suggests a
>> shortcut through roads that become dangerous in winter.
>>

<zwsdotcom******.com> wrote in message
news:1165676548.608257.22300@f1g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> Barry Watzman wrote:
>
>> have helped him would have been a working cell phone. He had a cell
>> phone, but there is no cell phone coverage in the remote,
>> little-traveled region where all of this occured.
>
> I'm just waiting for the liberals to jump up and down and insist that
> every new vehicle sold in the United States include a 406MHz PLB.
>

Don't laugh too hard. I know a trucker who left home without a map for a
trip from CT to MI that he should have known because he's made the trip
before but figured oh my new van has Onstar. Well when it came time to use
and he called in they told him the system was down!

Reminds me of that joke "if Microsoft built cars".

CB

OnStar is a cellular based service. Essentially, it's a GPS combined
with a cell phone. It would not have helped him, because there was no
cell phone service in the remote area where the incident occured.


El Kabong wrote:
> I don't think (at least I hope not) anyone was faulting Mr. Kim. But a
> critical evaluation of the circumstances is most certainly in order. To do
> otherwise is to invite another tragedy.
>
> This might be a good time to buy stock in OnStar. Would OnStar have saved
> him? How many vehicles in America have it? Is there 100% coverage across the
> country?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> El
>
>
>
>
>> If we were to fault him for that, we have to fault 99% of the population.
>>
>>
>
>