Hello,

I just got a new Toshibal laptop with Wi-Fi and all the other latest
stuff.

I am trying to send e-mails from my laptop at my local Caribou Coffee
House using MS Outlook. I have an ATT Yahoo DSL account at home. I
entered their Incoming and Outgoing Mail Servers and said to use the
Local Area Network in Outlook, but I cannot seem to successfully send a
test e-mail.

I would appreciate any ideas about what I might be doing wrong.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards,
John E. Golden

<john.golden@alumni.pitt.edu> wrote in message
news:1165255050.605135.86600@16g2000cwy.googlegrou ps.com...
> I am trying to send e-mails from my laptop at my local Caribou Coffee
> House using MS Outlook. I have an ATT Yahoo DSL account at home. I
> entered their Incoming and Outgoing Mail Servers and said to use the
> Local Area Network in Outlook, but I cannot seem to successfully send a
> test e-mail.

Can you describe more of what happens after you try to send an e-mail? Any
error messages?

In many cases outgoing mail servers require you to either (1) check your
e-mail before sending any or (2) specifically logon, generally using the same
credentials as you'd use for checking your e-mail. This is to prevent
spammers from using your ISP's mail server to "relay" spam: Since you're no
longer directly connected to an AT&Tdial-up connection, the outgoing mail
server has no way to know you're a legitimate subscriber.

Hey John,
I have the same problem using Mozilla Thunderbird accessing
Bellsouth.net. To send mail I had to go through the Bellsouth home page
using my browser. It sounds like you have a Yahoo mail account. Try
going to Yahoo, using Internet Explorer, to see if you can send mail.
Glenn

john.golden@alumni.pitt.edu wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just got a new Toshibal laptop with Wi-Fi and all the other latest
> stuff.
>
> I am trying to send e-mails from my laptop at my local Caribou Coffee
> House using MS Outlook. I have an ATT Yahoo DSL account at home. I
> entered their Incoming and Outgoing Mail Servers and said to use the
> Local Area Network in Outlook, but I cannot seem to successfully send a
> test e-mail.
>
> I would appreciate any ideas about what I might be doing wrong.
>
> Thank you in advance for your help.
>
> Regards,
> John E. Golden
>

john.golden@alumni.pitt.edu wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just got a new Toshibal laptop with Wi-Fi and all the other latest
> stuff.
>
> I am trying to send e-mails from my laptop at my local Caribou Coffee
> House using MS Outlook. I have an ATT Yahoo DSL account at home. I
> entered their Incoming and Outgoing Mail Servers and said to use the
> Local Area Network in Outlook, but I cannot seem to successfully send a
> test e-mail.
>
> I would appreciate any ideas about what I might be doing wrong.

It's not that you're doing anything wrong, it's that you're trying to do
something you can't. AT&T is like most ISPs these days in that they
don't allow remote access to their outgoing mail servers, the better to
prevent spammers from using them as open relays. You'll have to either
send mail via their web interface or wait until you're hooked up to your
home connection, which is probably best from a security and privacy
standpoint since I'd lay odds that their webmail interface isn't SSL
protected past the login screen, if at all. I've never used theirs
myself so I can't say for sure, but I've never seen one that was. You
*do* know that anyone within range of an open network you're on can read
your mail or anything else you're receiving or sending "in the clear" by
using a wireless laptop running packet-sniffing software, don't you?

Even if you were using an ISP that did allow off-network outgoing server
access, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that the Wi-Fi hotspot operator
would have the standard outgoing mail port blocked to help prevent
*their* network from becoming a spam conduit, so you couldn't use it
anyway without some fancy footwork to configure your client to use
another one.

Jonathan L. Parker wrote:
> john.golden@alumni.pitt.edu wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I just got a new Toshibal laptop with Wi-Fi and all the other
>> latest
>> stuff.
>>
>> I am trying to send e-mails from my laptop at my local Caribou
>> Coffee
>> House using MS Outlook. I have an ATT Yahoo DSL account at home.
>> I
>> entered their Incoming and Outgoing Mail Servers and said to use
>> the
>> Local Area Network in Outlook, but I cannot seem to successfully
>> send a test e-mail.
>>
>> I would appreciate any ideas about what I might be doing wrong.
>
> It's not that you're doing anything wrong, it's that you're trying
> to
> do something you can't. AT&T is like most ISPs these days in that
> they don't allow remote access to their outgoing mail servers, the
> better to prevent spammers from using them as open relays. You'll
> have to either send mail via their web interface or wait until
> you're
> hooked up to your home connection,

All you said that I snipped still applies, but when I'm not on my home
hookup I use Yahoo email to send mail and have never had a hotspot
refuse to send it.

Tom J

"Tom J" <tomnews@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Jonathan L. Parker wrote:
>> john.golden@alumni.pitt.edu wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I just got a new Toshibal laptop with Wi-Fi and all the other
>>> latest
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> I am trying to send e-mails from my laptop at my local Caribou
>>> Coffee
>>> House using MS Outlook. I have an ATT Yahoo DSL account at home.
>>> I
>>> entered their Incoming and Outgoing Mail Servers and said to use
>>> the
>>> Local Area Network in Outlook, but I cannot seem to successfully
>>> send a test e-mail.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate any ideas about what I might be doing wrong.
>>
>> It's not that you're doing anything wrong, it's that you're trying
>> to
>> do something you can't. AT&T is like most ISPs these days in that
>> they don't allow remote access to their outgoing mail servers, the
>> better to prevent spammers from using them as open relays. You'll
>> have to either send mail via their web interface or wait until
>> you're
>> hooked up to your home connection,
>
> All you said that I snipped still applies, but when I'm not on my home
> hookup I use Yahoo email to send mail and have never had a hotspot
> refuse to send it.
>
> Tom J

Thanks very much for all your input, but, in the meantime, I got it to
work. The problem was that my 'user name' that I entered into Outlook
was not complete. I thought they just wanted everthing before the '@'.
Turns out they wanted the whole dang e-mail address.

Now I'm sending and receiving e-mails from the CAribou Coffee House like
an SOB. And the New York Times was right on about six weeks ago when
they said that computers have now far surpassed television asd a way to
waste time.

Regards,

John E. Golden

Yahoo E-Mail is web based E-Mail, and that's what you have to use when
you are on the road. The E-Mail that you normally use (from your own
ISP) is usually (not always, but usually) "POP3" E-Mail, and you usually
can't use that when you are on the road.

The problem with using Yahoo (or Hotmail or most other Web-based E-Mail
systems) is that you are using two accounts, so your recipients end up
getting mail from you with two different return addresses, and your
incomming E-Mail also ends up with some messages in one account, and
other messages in another account.

You can avoid some of these problems by using the Web-based mail service
of your own ISP ... almost all ISPs have a web-based E-Mail portal for
just this reason.


Tom J wrote:

>
> All you said that I snipped still applies, but when I'm not on my home
> hookup I use Yahoo email to send mail and have never had a hotspot
> refuse to send it.
>
> Tom J
>
>

It's surprising that this worked, if you are using POP3 E-Mail (which is
almost a certainty if you are using Outlook as the E-Mail client). Most
ISPs won't allow E-Mail to be sent by a user who is connecting from
"outside" their system, which you normally would be when using a WiFi
"hotspot".


John E. Golden wrote:

>
> Thanks very much for all your input, but, in the meantime, I got it to
> work. The problem was that my 'user name' that I entered into Outlook
> was not complete. I thought they just wanted everthing before the '@'.
> Turns out they wanted the whole dang e-mail address.
>
> Now I'm sending and receiving e-mails from the CAribou Coffee House like
> an SOB. And the New York Times was right on about six weeks ago when
> they said that computers have now far surpassed television asd a way to
> waste time.
>
> Regards,
>
> John E. Golden

Barry Watzman wrote:

> The problem with using Yahoo (or Hotmail or most other Web-based E-Mail
> systems) is that you are using two accounts, so your recipients end up
> getting mail from you with two different return addresses, and your

gmail, .mac, etc all allow you to select what return address appears in
your messages.

Barry Watzman wrote:
> It's surprising that this worked, if you are using POP3 E-Mail (which is
> almost a certainty if you are using Outlook as the E-Mail client). Most
> ISPs won't allow E-Mail to be sent by a user who is connecting from
> "outside" their system, which you normally would be when using a WiFi
> "hotspot".

I am using POP3 E-Mail and it does indeed work from my local Caribou
Coffee House.

Regards,
John E. Golden

> John E. Golden wrote:
> > Thanks very much for all your input, but, in the meantime, I got it to
> > work. The problem was that my 'user name' that I entered into Outlook
> > was not complete. I thought they just wanted everthing before the '@'.
> > Turns out they wanted the whole dang e-mail address.
> >
> > Now I'm sending and receiving e-mails from the Caribou Coffee House like
> > an SOB. And the New York Times was right on about six weeks ago when
> > they said that computers have now far surpassed television asd a way to
> > waste time.
> > Regards,
> > John E. Golden

Barry,

You probably know this, but for those that don't...

Yahoo! and some of the other web-based e-mail providers will, for a fee, often
provide you with POP3 access as well as the ability to change the "from" line
to whatever you want (so that, to the outside world, you do only appear to
have one account). It also removes the advertising that comes embedeed with
e-mail sent from the free version, of course.

"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4574f1f3$0$6940$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Most ISPs won't allow E-Mail to be sent by a user who is connecting from
> "outside" their system, which you normally would be when using a WiFi
> "hotspot".

My experience has been that typically you just need to authenticate yourself
with them first, as I described in my response to John. I'd say it changes
the balance from "reasonable self-protection" over to "just ****ed annoying to
customers" to *not* allow an *autheticated* user to send e-mail through the
ISP's server.

Huh? I almost always used pop and mapi email from other ISPs. I never
had a single problem doing this ever.

--
Bill


"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4574f1f3$0$6940$4c368faf@roadrunner.com
> It's surprising that this worked, if you are using POP3 E-Mail (which
> is almost a certainty if you are using Outlook as the E-Mail client).
> Most ISPs won't allow E-Mail to be sent by a user who is connecting
> from "outside" their system, which you normally would be when using a
> WiFi "hotspot".
>
>
> John E. Golden wrote:
>> Thanks very much for all your input, but, in the meantime, I got it
>> to work. The problem was that my 'user name' that I entered into
>> Outlook was not complete. I thought they just wanted everthing
>> before the '@'. Turns out they wanted the whole dang e-mail address.
>>
>> Now I'm sending and receiving e-mails from the CAribou Coffee House
>> like an SOB. And the New York Times was right on about six weeks
>> ago when they said that computers have now far surpassed television
>> asd a way to waste time.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John E. Golden

"Jonathan L. Parker" <jlparker001@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:9n1dh.7212$wc5.4602@newssvr25.news.prodigy.ne t
> It's not that you're doing anything wrong, it's that you're trying to
> do something you can't. AT&T is like most ISPs these days in that
> they don't allow remote access to their outgoing mail servers,..

I always use another ISP to pickup my email from another ISP. I've been
doing this for over 10 years. And I haven't ran into any of this. Even
with my SBC/AT&T email with either Outlook or Outlook Express.

--
Bill

BillW50 wrote:

> I always use another ISP to pickup my email from another ISP. I've been
> doing this for over 10 years. And I haven't ran into any of this. Even
> with my SBC/AT&T email with either Outlook or Outlook Express.

"Picking up" your mail isn't the issue; it's being able to *send*
outgoing mail. Unless there's been a change of policy I haven't heard
about, AT&T still doesn't let you do this off-network except through the
web interface.