Hello,

Since MS stopped supporting Windows XP SP1, I will need to upgrade Toshiba Satellite
P15-S470 notebook's XP Media Center SP1 to SP2 soon to keep it updated, patched, etc. It
already has all the updates from SP1 as of last Tuesday, 10/10/2006, except one update
(Media Center Update which I never got it to install and not important since the TV tuner
stuff is not used).

Is it safe to upgrade the OS to SP2? I am a bit scared/worried about problems in upgrading
like incompatible drivers like wireless Internet, Palm software, NAV 2004 (all LUs), etc. I
checked Toshiba's Web site and other places, and I don't seem to see anything interesting.
Also, I ran Toshiba's software updater and it finds nothing and never really see it show
anything since 9/2004.

Basically, I am looking for any issues that I should know about when I upgrade the OS in a
few weeks.

Thank you in advance. :)
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<ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> Since MS stopped supporting Windows XP SP1...

What? They did? :(

I, unlike some (seems like most) people don't have much luck upgrading
SP1 to SP2. But what does work well is to start over with a new install
of Windows XP with SP2 included. Also those computers that came with SP2
preinstalled does work well too. I haven't seen any driver issues
though. Just my 2¢.

--
Bill

In comp.laptops BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
> <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
> news:cPKdneZSfdH8BavYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@mminternet.n et
> > Hello,
> >
> > Since MS stopped supporting Windows XP SP1...

> What? They did? :(

Yep. You can check the little WGA notification too. It tells you that as well.


> I, unlike some (seems like most) people don't have much luck upgrading
> SP1 to SP2. But what does work well is to start over with a new install
> of Windows XP with SP2 included. Also those computers that came with SP2
> preinstalled does work well too. I haven't seen any driver issues
> though. Just my 2¢.

Can't do a clean install since it is not my notebook/laptop and has lots of configurations. I
just have a bad feeling that something is going to break from SP2.

According to
http://community.compuserve.com/n/pf...btag=ws-laptop
thread ... I should upgrade BIOS first. Has anyone had this problem before? Again, scare to
upgrade the BIOS since notebook/laptop can be hosed and I have done that before with other
hardwares. :(
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If I could, I would have moved my Win98 onto my new XPS@ endowed Acre. I run
old MS Office and regularly get "errors" that shut down MS Word, Excel, etc.
And, when I report the "error" the response from MS is "Sorry, this
applications no longer supported." and an offer to spend $600 getting the
latest version!

If I can get Ubuntu to address my printer and work with my ACER Wireless,
I'll be dropping XP, Office and so forth.


"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
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> <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
> news:cPKdneZSfdH8BavYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@mminternet.n et
>> Hello,
>>
>> Since MS stopped supporting Windows XP SP1...
>
> What? They did? :(
>
> I, unlike some (seems like most) people don't have much luck upgrading SP1
> to SP2. But what does work well is to start over with a new install of
> Windows XP with SP2 included. Also those computers that came with SP2
> preinstalled does work well too. I haven't seen any driver issues though.
> Just my 2¢.
>
> --
> Bill

Pick up a copy of Office 2003 Students & Teachers edition, $100 to $120
when it's on sale. Legal installation on 3 machines ($35 per system).

Office 2003 is the best version of Office ever; XP SP2 is the best OS MS
has ever offered.


resrfglc wrote:
> If I could, I would have moved my Win98 onto my new XPS@ endowed Acre. I run
> old MS Office and regularly get "errors" that shut down MS Word, Excel, etc.
> And, when I report the "error" the response from MS is "Sorry, this
> applications no longer supported." and an offer to spend $600 getting the
> latest version!
>
> If I can get Ubuntu to address my printer and work with my ACER Wireless,
> I'll be dropping XP, Office and so forth.
>
>
> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
> news:45377fb3$0$1354$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>
>><ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
>>news:cPKdneZSfdH8BavYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@mminternet .net
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>Since MS stopped supporting Windows XP SP1...
>>
>>What? They did? :(
>>
>>I, unlike some (seems like most) people don't have much luck upgrading SP1
>>to SP2. But what does work well is to start over with a new install of
>>Windows XP with SP2 included. Also those computers that came with SP2
>>preinstalled does work well too. I haven't seen any driver issues though.
>>Just my 2¢.
>>
>>--
>>Bill
>
>
>

<ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
news:TtWdncWGULVFpqTYnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@mminternet.n et
> In comp.laptops BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>> I, unlike some (seems like most) people don't have much luck
>> upgrading SP1 to SP2. But what does work well is to start over with
>> a new install of Windows XP with SP2 included. Also those computers
>> that came with SP2 preinstalled does work well too. I haven't seen
>> any driver issues though. Just my 2¢.
>
> Can't do a clean install since it is not my notebook/laptop and has
> lots of configurations. I just have a bad feeling that something is
> going to break from SP2.
>
> According to
> http://community.compuserve.com/n/pf...btag=ws-laptop
> thread ... I should upgrade BIOS first. Has anyone had this problem
> before? Again, scare to upgrade the BIOS since notebook/laptop can be
> hosed and I have done that before with other hardwares. :(

Man I hate to be in your shoes right now. :(

--
Bill

resrfglc wrote:
> If I could, I would have moved my Win98 onto my new XPS@ endowed Acre. I run
> old MS Office and regularly get "errors" that shut down MS Word, Excel, etc.
> And, when I report the "error" the response from MS is "Sorry, this
> applications no longer supported." and an offer to spend $600 getting the
> latest version!
>
> If I can get Ubuntu to address my printer and work with my ACER Wireless,
> I'll be dropping XP, Office and so forth.
>
>
> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
> news:45377fb3$0$1354$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>
>><ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
>>news:cPKdneZSfdH8BavYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@mminternet .net
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>Since MS stopped supporting Windows XP SP1...
>>
>>What? They did? :(
>>
>>I, unlike some (seems like most) people don't have much luck upgrading SP1
>>to SP2. But what does work well is to start over with a new install of
>>Windows XP with SP2 included. Also those computers that came with SP2
>>preinstalled does work well too. I haven't seen any driver issues though.
>>Just my 2¢.
>>
>>--
>>Bill
>
>
>
Why not install open office? Free and complete including
powerpoint,spreadsheets, etc.
look at
http://www.openoffice.org/

The original Microcode update that Intel released to computer makers
(for incorporation into their BIOS') for Prescott CPUs had a bug in it
that prevented proper operation with the XP SP2 upgrade; the computer
would lock up or never restart following installation of the SP2
upgrade. This code found it's way into a LOT of motherboards and
laptops, and can cause real grief. The fix is to upgrade the BIOS to
the latest available version BEFORE doing an upgrade to SP2. There is
also a fix if you get caught with this problem, there is one file that
is the culprit, and if you replace the SP2 version of that file with an
earlier version, the "dead" system will then resume booting and working.
Unfortunately, I don't remember which file it was off the top of my
head. But the right fix is to update the bios.


ANTant@zimage.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Since MS stopped supporting Windows XP SP1, I will need to upgrade Toshiba Satellite
> P15-S470 notebook's XP Media Center SP1 to SP2 soon to keep it updated, patched, etc. It
> already has all the updates from SP1 as of last Tuesday, 10/10/2006, except one update
> (Media Center Update which I never got it to install and not important since the TV tuner
> stuff is not used).
>
> Is it safe to upgrade the OS to SP2? I am a bit scared/worried about problems in upgrading
> like incompatible drivers like wireless Internet, Palm software, NAV 2004 (all LUs), etc. I
> checked Toshiba's Web site and other places, and I don't seem to see anything interesting.
> Also, I ran Toshiba's software updater and it finds nothing and never really see it show
> anything since 9/2004.
>
> Basically, I am looking for any issues that I should know about when I upgrade the OS in a
> few weeks.
>
> Thank you in advance. :)

In comp.laptops BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
> <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote in message
> news:TtWdncWGULVFpqTYnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@mminternet.n et
> > In comp.laptops BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
> >> I, unlike some (seems like most) people don't have much luck
> >> upgrading SP1 to SP2. But what does work well is to start over with
> >> a new install of Windows XP with SP2 included. Also those computers
> >> that came with SP2 preinstalled does work well too. I haven't seen
> >> any driver issues though. Just my 2¢.
> >
> > Can't do a clean install since it is not my notebook/laptop and has
> > lots of configurations. I just have a bad feeling that something is
> > going to break from SP2.
> >
> > According to
> > http://community.compuserve.com/n/pf...btag=ws-laptop
> > thread ... I should upgrade BIOS first. Has anyone had this problem
> > before? Again, scare to upgrade the BIOS since notebook/laptop can be
> > hosed and I have done that before with other hardwares. :(

> Man I hate to be in your shoes right now. :(

Yep. :(
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Interesting. I wonder if it already has the latest BIOS. It was bought at CompUSA on
3/20/2004. I will have to check later when I see the notebook again.

Did SP1 have this problem? IIRC, the notebook came with SP1 patched on XP.


In comp.laptops Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> The original Microcode update that Intel released to computer makers
> (for incorporation into their BIOS') for Prescott CPUs had a bug in it
> that prevented proper operation with the XP SP2 upgrade; the computer
> would lock up or never restart following installation of the SP2
> upgrade. This code found it's way into a LOT of motherboards and
> laptops, and can cause real grief. The fix is to upgrade the BIOS to
> the latest available version BEFORE doing an upgrade to SP2. There is
> also a fix if you get caught with this problem, there is one file that
> is the culprit, and if you replace the SP2 version of that file with an
> earlier version, the "dead" system will then resume booting and working.
> Unfortunately, I don't remember which file it was off the top of my
> head. But the right fix is to update the bios.


> ANTant@zimage.com wrote:

> > Hello,
> >
> > Since MS stopped supporting Windows XP SP1, I will need to upgrade Toshiba Satellite
> > P15-S470 notebook's XP Media Center SP1 to SP2 soon to keep it updated, patched, etc. It
> > already has all the updates from SP1 as of last Tuesday, 10/10/2006, except one update
> > (Media Center Update which I never got it to install and not important since the TV tuner
> > stuff is not used).
> >
> > Is it safe to upgrade the OS to SP2? I am a bit scared/worried about problems in upgrading
> > like incompatible drivers like wireless Internet, Palm software, NAV 2004 (all LUs), etc. I
> > checked Toshiba's Web site and other places, and I don't seem to see anything interesting.
> > Also, I ran Toshiba's software updater and it finds nothing and never really see it show
> > anything since 9/2004.
> >
> > Basically, I am looking for any issues that I should know about when I upgrade the OS in a
> > few weeks.
> >
> > Thank you in advance. :)
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No, the purchase date of your laptop was prior to the release of SP2,
and prior to the microcode fix (which didn't come out until July or so
of 2004). You definitely should udate the BIOS before upgrading to SP2
if the CPU is a "prescott" family model (actually, I'd upgrade it anyway
if there is a newer BIOS available).

The problem did not exist in SP1.


ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
> Interesting. I wonder if it already has the latest BIOS. It was bought at CompUSA on
> 3/20/2004. I will have to check later when I see the notebook again.
>
> Did SP1 have this problem? IIRC, the notebook came with SP1 patched on XP.
>
>
> In comp.laptops Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>The original Microcode update that Intel released to computer makers
>>(for incorporation into their BIOS') for Prescott CPUs had a bug in it
>>that prevented proper operation with the XP SP2 upgrade; the computer
>>would lock up or never restart following installation of the SP2
>>upgrade. This code found it's way into a LOT of motherboards and
>>laptops, and can cause real grief. The fix is to upgrade the BIOS to
>>the latest available version BEFORE doing an upgrade to SP2. There is
>>also a fix if you get caught with this problem, there is one file that
>>is the culprit, and if you replace the SP2 version of that file with an
>>earlier version, the "dead" system will then resume booting and working.
>> Unfortunately, I don't remember which file it was off the top of my
>>head. But the right fix is to update the bios.
>
>
>
>>ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
>
>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>Since MS stopped supporting Windows XP SP1, I will need to upgrade Toshiba Satellite
>>>P15-S470 notebook's XP Media Center SP1 to SP2 soon to keep it updated, patched, etc. It
>>>already has all the updates from SP1 as of last Tuesday, 10/10/2006, except one update
>>>(Media Center Update which I never got it to install and not important since the TV tuner
>>>stuff is not used).
>>>
>>>Is it safe to upgrade the OS to SP2? I am a bit scared/worried about problems in upgrading
>>>like incompatible drivers like wireless Internet, Palm software, NAV 2004 (all LUs), etc. I
>>>checked Toshiba's Web site and other places, and I don't seem to see anything interesting.
>>>Also, I ran Toshiba's software updater and it finds nothing and never really see it show
>>>anything since 9/2004.
>>>
>>>Basically, I am looking for any issues that I should know about when I upgrade the OS in a
>>>few weeks.
>>>
>>>Thank you in advance. :)

Interesting. Check this http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885626 out:

"Method 2
If you have not installed Windows XP SP2, you can install the Critical Update for Windows XP
(KB885626), and then install Windows XP SP2."

I assume XP SP1 offered this since it was a critical one. I do keep XP SP1 updated with
everything except the Media Center update.


In comp.sys.laptops Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> The original Microcode update that Intel released to computer makers
> (for incorporation into their BIOS') for Prescott CPUs had a bug in it
> that prevented proper operation with the XP SP2 upgrade; the computer
> would lock up or never restart following installation of the SP2
> upgrade. This code found it's way into a LOT of motherboards and
> laptops, and can cause real grief. The fix is to upgrade the BIOS to
> the latest available version BEFORE doing an upgrade to SP2. There is
> also a fix if you get caught with this problem, there is one file that
> is the culprit, and if you replace the SP2 version of that file with an
> earlier version, the "dead" system will then resume booting and working.
> Unfortunately, I don't remember which file it was off the top of my
> head. But the right fix is to update the bios.


> ANTant@zimage.com wrote:

> > Hello,
> >
> > Since MS stopped supporting Windows XP SP1, I will need to upgrade Toshiba Satellite
> > P15-S470 notebook's XP Media Center SP1 to SP2 soon to keep it updated, patched, etc. It
> > already has all the updates from SP1 as of last Tuesday, 10/10/2006, except one update
> > (Media Center Update which I never got it to install and not important since the TV tuner
> > stuff is not used).
> >
> > Is it safe to upgrade the OS to SP2? I am a bit scared/worried about problems in upgrading
> > like incompatible drivers like wireless Internet, Palm software, NAV 2004 (all LUs), etc. I
> > checked Toshiba's Web site and other places, and I don't seem to see anything interesting.
> > Also, I ran Toshiba's software updater and it finds nothing and never really see it show
> > anything since 9/2004.
> >
> > Basically, I am looking for any issues that I should know about when I upgrade the OS in a
> > few weeks.
> >
> > Thank you in advance. :)

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The "problem" did not occur with SP1. There is one specific file in SP2
that triggers the problem. Replacing that file with an older one
[temporarily] is a work around.

But the best work around is to update the bios before upgrading to SP2,
in which case there is no problem.


ANTant@zimage.com wrote:

> Interesting. Check this http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885626 out:
>
> "Method 2
> If you have not installed Windows XP SP2, you can install the Critical Update for Windows XP
> (KB885626), and then install Windows XP SP2."
>
> I assume XP SP1 offered this since it was a critical one. I do keep XP SP1 updated with
> everything except the Media Center update.
>
>
> In comp.sys.laptops Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>The original Microcode update that Intel released to computer makers
>>(for incorporation into their BIOS') for Prescott CPUs had a bug in it
>>that prevented proper operation with the XP SP2 upgrade; the computer
>>would lock up or never restart following installation of the SP2
>>upgrade. This code found it's way into a LOT of motherboards and
>>laptops, and can cause real grief. The fix is to upgrade the BIOS to
>>the latest available version BEFORE doing an upgrade to SP2. There is
>>also a fix if you get caught with this problem, there is one file that
>>is the culprit, and if you replace the SP2 version of that file with an
>>earlier version, the "dead" system will then resume booting and working.
>> Unfortunately, I don't remember which file it was off the top of my
>>head. But the right fix is to update the bios.
>
>
>
>>ANTant@zimage.com wrote:
>
>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>Since MS stopped supporting Windows XP SP1, I will need to upgrade Toshiba Satellite
>>>P15-S470 notebook's XP Media Center SP1 to SP2 soon to keep it updated, patched, etc. It
>>>already has all the updates from SP1 as of last Tuesday, 10/10/2006, except one update
>>>(Media Center Update which I never got it to install and not important since the TV tuner
>>>stuff is not used).
>>>
>>>Is it safe to upgrade the OS to SP2? I am a bit scared/worried about problems in upgrading
>>>like incompatible drivers like wireless Internet, Palm software, NAV 2004 (all LUs), etc. I
>>>checked Toshiba's Web site and other places, and I don't seem to see anything interesting.
>>>Also, I ran Toshiba's software updater and it finds nothing and never really see it show
>>>anything since 9/2004.
>>>
>>>Basically, I am looking for any issues that I should know about when I upgrade the OS in a
>>>few weeks.
>>>
>>>Thank you in advance. :)
>
>