The TP looks great, tough the most popular requests do not all seem to be
implemented. For example one still cannot set a global template. At least
not in the TP.

minimus wrote:
> The TP looks great, tough the most popular requests do not all seem
> to be implemented. For example one still cannot set a global
> template. At least not in the TP.

If you are taking part in the Technical Preview, pls be so kind as to
post in the respective newsgroup of "connectnews".
There is no use at all to post on the ON2010 issues in this group.

This said, you are right that handling templates has not been changed.
And AFAICS there will be no major changes.
This is not good at all.

Rainald

> And AFAICS there will be no major changes.
> This is not good at all.

Agreed, disappointing so far.

I know we need to wait until it ships but it's shaping up as a evolutionary
upgrade rather than revolutionary.

I really wonder about the value of feedback to Connect. Popular requests
seem to have been ignored to date.

--
Regards

John Waller

John Waller wrote:
>> And AFAICS there will be no major changes.
>> This is not good at all.
>
> Agreed, disappointing so far.

But pls do not misunderstand my comment.
"No major changes" was *not* meant in general, only for the template
issues.

There are many new things (apart from the "cloud" strategy) which are
really valuable.

> I know we need to wait until it ships but it's shaping up as a
> evolutionary upgrade rather than revolutionary.

I would not say so.
The features for teamwork and sharing notebooks may well ne see as great
innovation.
A lot of other things obviously have not been in the developers' agenda.
Among the missing things are especially the "graphics" issues (f.e.:
still no grouping). And most of the gaps covered by the PowerToys remain
as they were.

> I really wonder about the value of feedback to Connect. Popular
> requests seem to have been ignored to date.

Although I had really often sent people to Connect, I must say that this
channel obviously has been really dead for a long time.
It seems that hardly anything did find the way to the agenda {siiiigh}.

But you may see yourself as there will be a public Beta later this year.

Rainald

> But pls do not misunderstand my comment.
> "No major changes" was *not* meant in general, only for the template
> issues.

That was understood in my previous post. Sorry if you took my words in a
broader context :-)

>> I know we need to wait until it ships but it's shaping up as a
>> evolutionary upgrade rather than revolutionary.
>
> I would not say so.
> The features for teamwork and sharing notebooks may well ne see as great
> innovation.
> A lot of other things obviously have not been in the developers' agenda.
> Among the missing things are especially the "graphics" issues (f.e.:
> still no grouping). And most of the gaps covered by the PowerToys remain
> as they were.

OK, each person's needs are different. I haven't seen any killer features
for my use yet. Still evolutionary to me.

Let's wait until it ships :-)


--
Regards

John Waller

John Waller wrote:

[...]
> OK, each person's needs are different. I haven't seen any killer
> features for my use yet. Still evolutionary to me.
>
> Let's wait until it ships :-)

AFAICS there will hardly be any chance to have features added. The
version shown in the Technical Preview is complete and AFAIK only bug
elimination and minor revision will be done. What is show at preset is
pretty much what the final product will be.

Are you taking part in the Technical Preview? I did not see any postings
from you in the TP newsgroups.

Rainald

> Are you taking part in the Technical Preview? I did not see any postings
> from you in the TP newsgroups.

No.

I've beta tested Macromedia and Adobe products in the past but no spare time
for TPs at present.

--
Regards

John Waller

John Waller wrote:
>> Are you taking part in the Technical Preview? I did not see any
>> postings from you in the TP newsgroups.
>
> No.
>
> I've beta tested Macromedia and Adobe products in the past but no
> spare time for TPs at present.

OK. I had just been wondering about your comments on a product you have
not yet seen.

Rainald

> OK. I had just been wondering about your comments on a product you have
> not yet seen.

Rainald,

I've seen screenshots, videos, blogs and reviews both online and offline in
magazines.

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Regards

John Waller

"Rainald Taesler" <taesler@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:eKmhsqiPKHA.4428@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> minimus wrote:
>> The TP looks great, tough the most popular requests do not all seem
>> to be implemented. For example one still cannot set a global
>> template. At least not in the TP.
>

> There is no use at all to post on the ON2010 issues in this group.

This is subjective. I find it inefficient to post to another group, that
does not seem to be relevant to the topic I opened. This group seems much
more relevant than the connectnews; and indeed as the feedback at connect
seem largely ignored or the channel does not seem alive.

"John Waller" <johnw@REMOVETHISpinnacleweb.com.au> wrote in message
news:DFF0ECF6-1823-4168-9AC6-3470882664F6@microsoft.com...
>> And AFAICS there will be no major changes.
>> This is not good at all.
>
> Agreed, disappointing so far.
>
> I know we need to wait until it ships but it's shaping up as a
> evolutionary upgrade rather than revolutionary.
>
> I really wonder about the value of feedback to Connect. Popular requests
> seem to have been ignored to date.
>
> --
> Regards
>
> John Waller

It is not much of a disappointment. Many things improved a lot and the
access to buttons are just easy and neat. So far I am quite happy with the
new version. But yes, nothing is perfect: some issues remain, which I
thought could have been easy to implement.

John Waller wrote:
>> OK. I had just been wondering about your comments on a product you
>> have not yet seen.
>
> I've seen screenshots, videos, blogs and reviews both online and
> offline in magazines.

It's OK.
No offence intended.
But as Chairman Mao had put it:
"One only knows what a pea tastes like if one has bitten into it" <bg>

Rainald

minimus wrote:
> Rainald Taesler wrote:
>> minimus wrote:

>>> The TP looks great, tough the most popular requests do not all seem
>>> to be implemented. For example one still cannot set a global
>>> template. At least not in the TP.
>
>> There is no use at all to post on the ON2010 issues in this group.
>
> This is subjective. I find it inefficient to post to another group,
> that does not seem to be relevant to the topic I opened.

IMO *this* group is not relevant for the ongoing development.
What effect should your posting have?
What was your intention other than whining?

> This group seems much more relevant than the connectnews;

Not at all. To reach the developers "connectnews" is the proper place.
The developers listen and they are most responsive. Daniel Escapa, the
head of the team replies on each and any suggestion and complaint.

> and indeed as the feedback at connect seem largely ignored or the
> channel does not seem alive.

That's a totally different issue.
You must not mix the old "public" system "Connect" with the TP
newsgroups in "connectnews".
IMO it's really bad that the Connect channel for suggestions and
reporting bugs has been dead for a long time. But we can't help
{siiiigh}

Rainald

> That's a totally different issue.
> You must not mix the old "public" system "Connect" with the TP
> newsgroups in "connectnews".
> IMO it's really bad that the Connect channel for suggestions and
> reporting bugs has been dead for a long time. But we can't help
> {siiiigh}

Where could we access this "connectnews"-group?

(I am supposed to manage the migration of part of our organization to ON, I
am writing thenecessary documentation now, but it would be very helpful to
know what will be going on in ON 2010)

fvandrog wrote:
>> That's a totally different issue.
>> You must not mix the old "public" system "Connect" with the TP
>> newsgroups in "connectnews".
>> IMO it's really bad that the Connect channel for suggestions and
>> reporting bugs has been dead for a long time. But we can't help
>> {siiiigh}
>
> Where could we access this "connectnews"-group?

It's a "closed shop" NG. One only has access if one takes part in the
"Technical Preview". People have been "invited" to take part in the test
based on an application. The possibility to apply gas ended months ago.

> (I am supposed to manage the migration of part of our organization to
> ON, I am writing the necessary documentation now, but it would be very
> helpful to know what will be going on in ON 2010)

As sad as it is, you just come too late. But there will be a public
Beta-test later this year.

Rainald