I am a new user of a Tablet PC and OneNote, and am enjoying them
immensely. I'm reviewing all the tips, tutorials, examples, and blogs I
can find to determine the best ways to use them from the experiences of
other users or developers.

One thing I've encountered that I could use some help on is outlining
with ink. Capturing thoughts in ink is very natural and moving items
easy. However combining text lines together and getting the outline
structure I want seems elusive. I can get them to merge, but often not
at the right level (i.e. indentation) once merged.

Turning on the "show ink groups" is helpful as is using stationary to
keep my wandering script in check. However moving & merging lines and
having them come out at the right outline level - or to change levels
once merged is difficult.

I don't have the problem when I use the keyboard and mouse. In
powerpoint I seem to have many levels of outlining that can be set as
desired on any line, whereas in One Note though it shows 5 levels, I
can't seem to promote as easily. Does anyone have any tips?

Thanks


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This was a limitation in OneNote 2003.
Whole inking experience has been improved in OneNote2007.
I'd recommend to try OneNote2007 :-)

Thanks,
Doehee

"mkcook" wrote:

>
> I am a new user of a Tablet PC and OneNote, and am enjoying them
> immensely. I'm reviewing all the tips, tutorials, examples, and blogs I
> can find to determine the best ways to use them from the experiences of
> other users or developers.
>
> One thing I've encountered that I could use some help on is outlining
> with ink. Capturing thoughts in ink is very natural and moving items
> easy. However combining text lines together and getting the outline
> structure I want seems elusive. I can get them to merge, but often not
> at the right level (i.e. indentation) once merged.
>
> Turning on the "show ink groups" is helpful as is using stationary to
> keep my wandering script in check. However moving & merging lines and
> having them come out at the right outline level - or to change levels
> once merged is difficult.
>
> I don't have the problem when I use the keyboard and mouse. In
> powerpoint I seem to have many levels of outlining that can be set as
> desired on any line, whereas in One Note though it shows 5 levels, I
> can't seem to promote as easily. Does anyone have any tips?
>
> Thanks
>
>
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Thanks, one more reason to look at it!


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mkcook shared these words of wisdom:

> Thanks, one more reason to look at it!

Many things have changed in On 2007.
Still it might be that you'd find the features of outlining on a
TabletPC have not really reched the state needed :-( :-(

But have a look yourself.
There's a free trial in order to fill the gap until the product will
apppear in the shops.

Rainald

Trial downloads:

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France: http://france.trymicrosoftoffice.com/

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Canada: http://canada.trymicrosoftoffice.com/

I've searched the web to figure out whether user error is making ON '07
unusable for me...and I fear the result is "it's a feature not a bug." I use
ON on a TabletPC and take lots of notes in outline format. As you know ON '03
tried hard to support this. It wasn't perfect, but if you adjusted to it, you
could create new lines and indent a bit and you'd end up with an outline.
Writing on a grid helped give you a guide for indenting. You even had a
little customizable button that continued a paragraph (I put it in two
places). It was "good enough" and I waited ON '07 for improvements. ON '07 is
awesome overall and note-taking is great with a keyboard. But now ink-based
note-taking with an outline seems, well, just about useless for serious
notes. No auto bullets, no auto indents (with ability to collapse). And the
MS site says "This behavior is by design in OneNote 2007. To apply bullet or
number formatting to handwriting, you must first select the handwriting and
then apply the formatting." Presumably, you must also do a real indent
manually after taken the note also. I would LOVE your answer to be "You
idiot, your options are just set up wrong" or "learn to outline differently
and it will work." I'm willing to conform, but as it is now, ON had become my
most important daily (hourly) application and I have to explore something new
because ink-based outline note-taking seems to have been destroyed. Can you
set me straight? Thanks!

"Rainald Taesler" wrote:

> mkcook shared these words of wisdom:
>
> > Thanks, one more reason to look at it!
>
> Many things have changed in On 2007.
> Still it might be that you'd find the features of outlining on a
> TabletPC have not really reched the state needed :-( :-(
>
> But have a look yourself.
> There's a free trial in order to fill the gap until the product will
> apppear in the shops.
>
> Rainald
>
> Trial downloads:
>
> Germany: http://germany.trymicrosoftoffice.com/
>
> France: http://france.trymicrosoftoffice.com/
>
> Japan: http:/ /japan.trymicrosoftoffice.com/
>
> Canada: http://canada.trymicrosoftoffice.com/
>
>
>
>

In article <52DEF6EE-EE3D-48D4-A040-AFF0D14A26A7@microsoft.com>,
Swreck@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> I would LOVE your answer to be "You
> idiot, your options are just set up wrong" or "learn to outline differently
> and it will work." I'm willing to conform, but as it is now, ON had become my
> most important daily (hourly) application and I have to explore something new
> because ink-based outline note-taking seems to have been destroyed. Can you
> set me straight? Thanks!
>
>
No. You are correct. I have completely given up on creating outlines or
having any true organization whatsoever when handwriting. I tend to use
OneNote in only one of the two major modes on any given page. I take
class notes on one page and rewrite that as study notes in text form on a
separate page. Yes, it is possible to mix the two but it is more trouble
than it is worth. The only features I use with handwriting is that I can
now lasso handwriting or drawings and move them around (I leave lots of
room around things to make this easier) and I can search for words in my
handwriting. Other than that, I just slap down what I need for my quick
notes and use typing for everything else.

Swreck wrote:
I'm willing to conform, but as it is now, ON had become my
> most important daily (hourly) application and I have to explore something new
> because ink-based outline note-taking seems to have been destroyed. Can you
> set me straight? Thanks!

..02 only:

I simply don't get it. Ink in 2007 works better than ever, if you treat
it as ink and not some automated pseudo ink. That is, I use ink to make
the bullets, I use a space to indicate an indention, and basically treat
it as grid paper ad usual. This works for me, gives a lot of
flexibility as seen fit, the lasso allows for finer text manipulation as
required(and it does happen), and the handwriting in 2007 is a lot less
likely to jump around on its own (particularly if you always use the
lasso to select handwriting, never the text selection tool to do so).

So, I don't see how handwriting is any worse for wear - it is more like
paper... for me that is a good thing.

..02, fwiw

I don't get it...who needs an outline when you have a pen?

Outlining was revamped because Word Processors didn't allow you to write
wherever you wanted.

If you can ink, and do an outline with the ink, what is the need for
auto outlining? I don't really understand the usage.

Having stated that, this world is very diverse, and I think a great
program is one that let's people make up how they want the program to
run, not just how the developers envisioned it. So, I think you should
have the opportunity to have outlined inks, if you so wanted it.

erik

Erik, Yep, in a paper-based world, you're right. My paper notes aren't nearly
the strict outline of my electronic notes. The difference is how much of the
notes I can see at one time and reorganization:
Since the screen is only 12" but a meeting can be hours long, it's helpful
to take notes on a topic and then immediately collapse it to a main head.
Then in one glance you see the big picture, but everything fits the screen.
You can do this with lots of subpages, but it's not effective for a quick
overview. This is FAR more critical taking such notes on a smaller-screen PDA
(I use Textmaker on a PPC for notes just because it has this capability where
Pocket Word does not). But it's also useful on a 12" screen. You could even
say this is a place where electronic note taking beats paper.

The second thing is reorganization (something you can't and don't even think
of doing on paper). When topics are flying, you can just take notes and
sub-bullets of minor context and the when there's a lull, quickly organize
the points into something easier to read later. This is far easier if the
subpoints to a topic ride along when the topic is moved around.

"Erik Gulbrandsen" wrote:

> I don't get it...who needs an outline when you have a pen?
>
> Outlining was revamped because Word Processors didn't allow you to write
> wherever you wanted.
>
> If you can ink, and do an outline with the ink, what is the need for
> auto outlining? I don't really understand the usage.
>
> Having stated that, this world is very diverse, and I think a great
> program is one that let's people make up how they want the program to
> run, not just how the developers envisioned it. So, I think you should
> have the opportunity to have outlined inks, if you so wanted it.
>
> erik
>