Don't alter the default colour in ON 2007 technical preview for drawing
objects when altering the colour on an existing object.

When I change the colour in a drawing the default pen coulor changes to that
selection so when I use the drawing tools to create a new object I using tha
alteterd colour of the previous object instead of the default colour used
before the change.

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In article <4FC06C61-7995-40AA-B190-C30968DF528A@microsoft.com>,
wmdenli@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> When I change the colour in a drawing the default pen coulor changes to that
> selection so when I use the drawing tools to create a new object I using tha
> alteterd colour of the previous object instead of the default colour used
> before the change.
>
>
Yeah, that bugs me too. I always gotta go back up and reselect the pen I
want to use after doing this. I have just gotten in the habit of
reselecting the pen I want to use every time I do anything. It is easier
to remember that way. Besides, I forget what color I was using last
anyway.

"Grant Robertson" <BOGUS@BOGUS.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:O%23a5bnh%23GHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Besides, I forget what color I was using last anyway.

Me too :-( :-(

Rainald

Aloha wmdenli,

Interesting suggestion. I can see the merits both ways -- wondering if there
is a way to make it so that new objects that are the same type as the altered
one would use the altered color, while new objects of a different type retain
the default color.

Or perhaps the altered color stays in effect until you change to a different
pen or click on a new shape on the drawing tools.

Have to give this a bit of thought.

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr - MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com
Microsoft OneNote FAQ: http://www.factplace.com/onenotefaq.htm

> Don't alter the default colour in ON 2007 technical preview for
> drawing objects when altering the colour on an existing object.
>
> When I change the colour in a drawing the default pen coulor changes
> to that selection so when I use the drawing tools to create a new
> object I using tha alteterd colour of the previous object instead of
> the default colour used before the change.
>
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In article <d3b09586101daa8c8ca844a8583b4@msnews.microsoft.co m>,
bens@bogusaddress.mvp says...
> Interesting suggestion. I can see the merits both ways -- wondering if there
> is a way to make it so that new objects that are the same type as the altered
> one would use the altered color, while new objects of a different type retain
> the default color.
>
> Or perhaps the altered color stays in effect until you change to a different
> pen or click on a new shape on the drawing tools.

Ben, that is not the way people work. If they are writing ink in a
certain color and decide to change the color of some previously written
ink, when they start writing again they expect to be writing in the color
they were writing in before. It is just like in Word. If I am typing
along and decide to make a previously typed word bold I select that word
and press ctrl-b to bold that word. But when I put my cursor back at the
end and continue typing all my subsequent text is not bold. If it were,
that would drive people crazy. Changing the formatting of something on
the screen should never change the current default formatting for new
stuff. It is just a rule. It is the way everything else works and it is
the way everyone expects everything to work.

Aloha Grant,

Well, not everybody because sometimes when I'm creating a shape I want that
shape, and every subsequent object of the same shape, to be a different color
from the default.

Like the OP my current solution is that I either create the shapes, then
go back and change their colors or I change the default color, make all of
the shapes I want in that color all at once, then change the color back (or
to something else) and create all of the other shapes. It's not a big deal,
but it's not as convenient as finding a way to have what is effectively a
"per shape default". There may not be any practical way to do it, but that
doesn't mean it isn't something people might find useful.


-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr - MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com
Microsoft OneNote FAQ: http://www.factplace.com/onenotefaq.htm

> In article <d3b09586101daa8c8ca844a8583b4@msnews.microsoft.co m>,
> bens@bogusaddress.mvp says...
>
>> Interesting suggestion. I can see the merits both ways -- wondering
>> if there is a way to make it so that new objects that are the same
>> type as the altered one would use the altered color, while new
>> objects of a different type retain the default color.
>>
>> Or perhaps the altered color stays in effect until you change to a
>> different pen or click on a new shape on the drawing tools.
>>
> Ben, that is not the way people work. If they are writing ink in a
> certain color and decide to change the color of some previously
> written ink, when they start writing again they expect to be writing
> in the color they were writing in before. It is just like in Word. If
> I am typing along and decide to make a previously typed word bold I
> select that word and press ctrl-b to bold that word. But when I put my
> cursor back at the end and continue typing all my subsequent text is
> not bold. If it were, that would drive people crazy. Changing the
> formatting of something on the screen should never change the current
> default formatting for new stuff. It is just a rule. It is the way
> everything else works and it is the way everyone expects everything to
> work.
>

In article <d3b095861030ac8c8cb48cec5027a@msnews.microsoft.co m>,
bens@bogusaddress.mvp says...
> It's not a big deal,
> but it's not as convenient as finding a way to have what is effectively a
> "per shape default". There may not be any practical way to do it, but that
> doesn't mean it isn't something people might find useful.

I agree that a per-shape-default would be kind of nice but it would take
some getting used to. Since OneNote won't even group ink into a group it
would be pretty hard for it to tell what ink belongs to one shape and
what ink belongs to another.

But simply changing the default for everything just because it was the
last thing you did to a selected object is completely non-intuitive and
different from the way every other program I have ever heard of works.

Aloha Grant,

> But simply changing the default for everything just because it was the
> last thing you did to a selected object is completely non-intuitive
> and different from the way every other program I have ever heard of
> works.

Yes, I agree. I wouldn't support changing the default for everything based
upon a change to a selected object.



-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr - MVP
Roland Schorr & Tower
http://www.rolandschorr.com
Microsoft OneNote FAQ: http://www.factplace.com/onenotefaq.htm

In article <d3b09586104b858c8cc6321e8b1a2@msnews.microsoft.co m>,
bens@bogusaddress.mvp says...
> Yes, I agree. I wouldn't support changing the default for everything based
> upon a change to a selected object.

The problem is, that is what it does now.

In news:eryeM6g$GHA.4892@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
Grant Robertson <BOGUS@BOGUS.com> wrote:

> But simply changing the default for everything just because it was
> the last thing you did to a selected object is completely
> non-intuitive and different from the way every other program I have
> ever heard of works.

100% d'accord.
Too bad that at present it works like that ...

Rainald

In article <#jLuvl4$GHA.204@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, taesler@gmx.de says...
> In news:eryeM6g$GHA.4892@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
> Grant Robertson <BOGUS@BOGUS.com> wrote:
>
> > But simply changing the default for everything just because it was
> > the last thing you did to a selected object is completely
> > non-intuitive and different from the way every other program I have
> > ever heard of works.
>
> 100% d'accord.
> Too bad that at present it works like that ...

You know what? Now that I am more aware of that "feature" I actually made
use of it yesterday while taking notes. It's not my preference but since
it is there I used it to save me a couple of taps in one particular (but
rare) situation.

Grant Robertson shared these words of wisdom:

>>> But simply changing the default for everything just because it was
>>> the last thing you did to a selected object is completely
>>> non-intuitive and different from the way every other program I
>>> have ever heard of works.
>>
>> 100% d'accord.
>> Too bad that at present it works like that ...
>
> You know what? Now that I am more aware of that "feature" I
> actually made use of it yesterday while taking notes. It's not my
> preference but since it is there I used it to save me a couple of
> taps in one particular (but rare) situation.

Sometimes even bad things have their good sides <gbg>

Rainald