Patrick
Were you able to have a look in the meantime?

I do not want to be impatient and I know how much you have to do.
But I'm helpless ...

Rainald

Von: "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" <pds-ms@nospam.pschmid.net>
Betreff: Re: Outlook 2003 crashing from Onenote 2007 error message
Datum: Samstag, 7. Oktober 2006 23:06

> Let me look into it. I'll get back to you.

> Patrick Schmid
>
> Rainald Taesler <taesler@gmx.de> shared these words of wisdom:

> Patrick Schmid [MVP] wrote:
> Thanks for your reply and the suggestions, Patrick.
> I'm still helpless :-( :-(
>
>>> My main mail-program still is Outlook Express (OE) and do not want
>>> to change that and continue using Outlook only for Contacts and
>>> Calendar. But I'm having a most serious problem now:
>>> For a very long time I have been using the Outlook Contacts for
>>> the
>>> mail-addresses in OE. Worked really fine.
>>> But now (after making the move to OL 2007 on my desktop) without
>>> any change in OE and the Registry settings for the usage of
>>> Outlook instead of the Windows Addressbook (WAB) it just does not
>>> work anymore.
>>
>> Tools, Account Settings, Address Books. Is the Outlook Address Book
>> installed there
>> If not, add it.
>
> It's installed. And nothing to be added.
>
>> Then click on Contacts, and right-click on the Contacts folder,
>> select
>> Properties. Go to the Outlook Address Book tab and verify that the
>> checkmark there is set.
>
> Yes, the setting has been like that.
> And it cannot be changed (it's greyed).
>
>> Now you should be good to go :)
>
> Wish I would.
> Are you sure you were talking on how to enable the usahge of the PST
> data in *Outlook*Express* ???
> Did you try it out?
> As you for sure have OE on your system, would you so kind as to try
> it
> out?
> With OL 2003 (and previous versions) the usage of the "Contacts"
> data
> insetad of the WAB addressbook did not rquire more thatn just one
> Registry entry:
> Under "[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\WAB\WAB4]"
> a new DWORD as to be added and given the value of 1 (00000001)
>
>
> I had asked in the German Outlook Express NG.
> No help there. Folks there just said it was not an OE problem and it
> was my own fault ti use Beta software.
> I asked in the German Office 2007 Beta forum too.
> The only reply I received said the poster could not say when and if
> it
> work.
>
> As the issue for sure is off-toppic in here:
> Where should I ask in addition?
> - International OE newsgroup?
> - Outlook newsgroups?
> - Outlook forum in the US/international Office Beta forums?
>
> Thanks again for trying to help
> Rainald

I am asking about it


"Rainald Taesler" <taesler@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:evUP2Kl7GHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> Patrick
> Were you able to have a look in the meantime?
>
> I do not want to be impatient and I know how much you have to do.
> But I'm helpless ...
>
> Rainald
>
> Von: "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" <pds-ms@nospam.pschmid.net>
> Betreff: Re: Outlook 2003 crashing from Onenote 2007 error message
> Datum: Samstag, 7. Oktober 2006 23:06
>
> > Let me look into it. I'll get back to you.
>
> > Patrick Schmid
> >
> > Rainald Taesler <taesler@gmx.de> shared these words of wisdom:
>
> > Patrick Schmid [MVP] wrote:
> > Thanks for your reply and the suggestions, Patrick.
> > I'm still helpless :-( :-(
> >
> >>> My main mail-program still is Outlook Express (OE) and do not want
> >>> to change that and continue using Outlook only for Contacts and
> >>> Calendar. But I'm having a most serious problem now:
> >>> For a very long time I have been using the Outlook Contacts for
> >>> the
> >>> mail-addresses in OE. Worked really fine.
> >>> But now (after making the move to OL 2007 on my desktop) without
> >>> any change in OE and the Registry settings for the usage of
> >>> Outlook instead of the Windows Addressbook (WAB) it just does not
> >>> work anymore.
> >>
> >> Tools, Account Settings, Address Books. Is the Outlook Address Book
> >> installed there
> >> If not, add it.
> >
> > It's installed. And nothing to be added.
> >
> >> Then click on Contacts, and right-click on the Contacts folder,
> >> select
> >> Properties. Go to the Outlook Address Book tab and verify that the
> >> checkmark there is set.
> >
> > Yes, the setting has been like that.
> > And it cannot be changed (it's greyed).
> >
> >> Now you should be good to go :)
> >
> > Wish I would.
> > Are you sure you were talking on how to enable the usahge of the PST
> > data in *Outlook*Express* ???
> > Did you try it out?
> > As you for sure have OE on your system, would you so kind as to try
> > it
> > out?
> > With OL 2003 (and previous versions) the usage of the "Contacts"
> > data
> > insetad of the WAB addressbook did not rquire more thatn just one
> > Registry entry:
> > Under "[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\WAB\WAB4]"
> > a new DWORD as to be added and given the value of 1 (00000001)
> >
> >
> > I had asked in the German Outlook Express NG.
> > No help there. Folks there just said it was not an OE problem and it
> > was my own fault ti use Beta software.
> > I asked in the German Office 2007 Beta forum too.
> > The only reply I received said the poster could not say when and if
> > it
> > work.
> >
> > As the issue for sure is off-toppic in here:
> > Where should I ask in addition?
> > - International OE newsgroup?
> > - Outlook newsgroups?
> > - Outlook forum in the US/international Office Beta forums?
> >
> > Thanks again for trying to help
> > Rainald

Patrick Schmid [MVP] <pds-ms@nospam.pschmid.net> shared these words of
wisdom:

[OL Contacts in OE]

> I am asking about it

Thank you so much!

Rainald

From an Outlook MVP:
It was broken/disabled by an update in Outlook 2003, so it's basically
dead
for most users. There are issues with it so it's no great loss

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"Rainald Taesler" <taesler@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:uuRK27q7GHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> Patrick Schmid [MVP] <pds-ms@nospam.pschmid.net> shared these words of
> wisdom:
>
> [OL Contacts in OE]
>
> > I am asking about it
>
> Thank you so much!
>
> Rainald

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" <pdschmid@nospam.mvps.org> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:uGz0liw8GHA.5092@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[OL Contacts in OE]
> From an Outlook MVP:
> It was broken/disabled by an update in Outlook 2003, so it's
> basically dead for most users. There are issues with it so it's no
> great loss

Thank you so much, Patrick, fro your assistance.

The information given by this Outlook MVP is seriously wrong, however.

1.) There's nothing broken/disabled in OL 2003.
My OL 2003 is up-to-date with the latest updates and using Outlook
Contacts in OE works pretty fine.

2.) It never was dead and it is not.
I used it until the OL 2007 broke my basic instrument.

3.) It is a very great loss.
I can not use OE for my mail anymore as I cannot use my addresses.
There is no way to keep the Windows Addressbook (WAB) in sync with the
Contacts. And I have to use Outlook Contacts because otherwise I can
not keep the data in sync with my iPAQ.

And I think there is no need to explain what it means to keep address
data in more than one location.

Would it be possible to contact the said MVP directly?
And would there be any way to reach the developers?

I do not know how the communications between OL and OE did work
technically.
But without having been given a valid reason I would doubt that it was
technically impossible to re-create what works perfectly well in OL
2003.
And I doubt that disabling in OL 2007 what worked in OL 2003 would be
based on a rational decision. I'd rather assume that it was just
forgotten/overlooked/neglected.

Thanks again
Rainald

Why don't you witch to Outlook for email? That would be a much easier
solution.
If it's not working now, it won't get fixed. We are almost in the last
week of the beta.

"Rainald Taesler" <taesler@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:uFpsaSx8GHA.4644@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" <pdschmid@nospam.mvps.org> schrieb im
> Newsbeitrag news:uGz0liw8GHA.5092@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> [OL Contacts in OE]
> > From an Outlook MVP:
> > It was broken/disabled by an update in Outlook 2003, so it's
> > basically dead for most users. There are issues with it so it's no
> > great loss
>
> Thank you so much, Patrick, fro your assistance.
>
> The information given by this Outlook MVP is seriously wrong, however.
>
> 1.) There's nothing broken/disabled in OL 2003.
> My OL 2003 is up-to-date with the latest updates and using Outlook
> Contacts in OE works pretty fine.
>
> 2.) It never was dead and it is not.
> I used it until the OL 2007 broke my basic instrument.
>
> 3.) It is a very great loss.
> I can not use OE for my mail anymore as I cannot use my addresses.
> There is no way to keep the Windows Addressbook (WAB) in sync with the
> Contacts. And I have to use Outlook Contacts because otherwise I can
> not keep the data in sync with my iPAQ.
>
> And I think there is no need to explain what it means to keep address
> data in more than one location.
>
> Would it be possible to contact the said MVP directly?
> And would there be any way to reach the developers?
>
> I do not know how the communications between OL and OE did work
> technically.
> But without having been given a valid reason I would doubt that it was
> technically impossible to re-create what works perfectly well in OL
> 2003.
> And I doubt that disabling in OL 2007 what worked in OL 2003 would be
> based on a rational decision. I'd rather assume that it was just
> forgotten/overlooked/neglected.
>
> Thanks again
> Rainald

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" <pdschmid@nospam.mvps.org> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:%23eXWvjy8GHA.4116@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> [OL Contacts in OE]
>>
>> Would it be possible to contact the said MVP directly?
>> And would there be any way to reach the developers?
>>
>> I do not know how the communications between OL and OE did work
>> technically.
>> But without having been given a valid reason I would doubt that it
>> was
>> technically impossible to re-create what works perfectly well in OL
>> 2003.
>> And I doubt that disabling in OL 2007 what worked in OL 2003 would
>> be
>> based on a rational decision. I'd rather assume that it was just
>> forgotten/overlooked/neglected.
>
> Why don't you witch to Outlook for email? That would be a much
> easier solution.

Oh NO!! Anything, but not that!
Don't be that cruel to poor ME [siiigh].

Honestly speaking: This hardly would be an option for me.
There's a loooooooooog list of reasons which I can not / do not want
to write down and explain in this branch of a thread which is TOT
(totally off topic) already.

Just to name a few:
1.) It's a basic paradigma that the "best software" is the software
the *USER* knows to handle best.
OL never ever has been too friendly to me and it has quite some logics
which are not too compatible with mine <g> :-( :-(
And I know OE (and almost most of its shortcomings and anomalies
[siiigh]).

2.) The UI of OE is far less overdone than the one of Outlook.
All of this graphical Schnickschnack was bad enough already in the
early versions and the overkill grew with each version.
It's even worse now. The "card" view for Contacts is a very good
example for how-not-to-do GUI elements. [siiiigh]

3.) Not only because of that (but the graphical overkill is a relevant
factor in so far) OE is ways faster than Outlook.

4.) OE has a newsreader integrated.
And "integrated" in so far means "fully integrated". Not just a
plug-in which is - willing or not - forced to share the logics and the
functionality of the "host"-application (in this case Outlook, which
is not all designed for handling newsgroup stuff).

OE is not that powerful as the "professionals" (be it Forte Agent or -
especially - Gravity).
But it's "good enough for me" [" ... and feeling good was good enough
for Me, Me and my Bobby McGhee.." <Kris Kristofferson: Me And Bobby
McGhee">]

Although the Newsgroup-Gurus always laughed at Me for using such a
"primitive" instrument, I kept with it (after having tried the
profi-tools <!>).
The *integration* of mail and news in the *same* app and thereby in
the very same *UI* was reason enough for me to stay with OE (the only
other app doing both, Forte Agent, is just awful IMHO).

Pls don't argue that there were Add-ins/Plug-ins for OE for handling
NGs.
As a while ago you mentioned that you did the very hard work you do in
the NGs under OL with Newshound, I tried that out.
IMO ways far less productive than the good old simple OE. [siiiigh].
And honestly speaking, I can hardly believe that you are able to cope
with the daily workload you have on your shoulders using this kind of
an instrument. :-( :-(

5.) Finally - last but not least -: although having made the move to
IMPAP for mail a while ago and by that having the relevant main
folders on the mail-server, there's quite a hierarchy of local folders
in my OE mail-directory where tons of stuff from the past are stored;
although the DBX-folders of OE not really are a place for an e-mail
archive (nor would OL's PST be that <!!g>), there's app. 2.2GB of data
hanging in OE's dbx-folders. And there is no way (at least none that I
would know of) to import that into OL.

What to do with this stuff?
Just send it to Nirvana?

> If it's not working now, it won't get fixed. We are almost in the
> last week of the beta.

Fortunately or unfortunately: YES.

Still I won't give up hope.
As said before, I do not think that there is any technical *need*
behind the presently given malfunctioning.

What in my last posting I quoted from your quoting of an (unknown) OL
MVP does not at all mean that it would impossible to just *maintain*
the data-sharing feature of OL which enabled OE to have a hand on the
Contacts of OL (both ways, BTW, i.e.: picking up data from the PST and
editing data in the PST).

As said before:
I do not think that there would have been a willful decision behind
the isuue I'm whining about.
And I seriously doubt that the OL-developers (having the quoted
concept in mind " ... no need to care, it was broken/disabled in OL
2003 already" [which is *seriously*wrong*]) did make any decisions in
so far.
I'd rather assume that they simply were not aware of the situation.

I'm still naive enough to think that just some simple API-interface
would be sufficient to re-enable what's broken in the moment.
If not in the Office Final, perhaps with a patch soon after.

Therefore I repeat what I quoted in the initial lines of this reply:
- Would it be possible to contact the said MVP directly?
- And would there be any way to reach the developers?

I'm pretty sure that some folks in the OL team - being that aware of
users' needs as Ilya or Daniel Escapa (just to name some) are in the
ON-team - being told about the situation might find a way to re-enable
what has been working pretty well for many long years.
Sorry to say so, but what you reported as the result of your enquiries
just mirrors bloody ignorance on the side of those who replied to you.

Mille gracie, tausend Dank
and kindest regards

Rainald

> Honestly speaking: This hardly would be an option for me.
> There's a loooooooooog list of reasons which I can not / do not want
> to write down and explain in this branch of a thread which is TOT
> (totally off topic) already.
Funny, you did give the list and sent me the whole thing as email as
well...;)

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Patrick Schmid [MVP] shared these words of wisdom:

>> Honestly speaking: This hardly would be an option for me.
>> There's a loooooooooog list of reasons which I can not / do not
>> want to write down and explain in this branch of a thread which is
>> TOT (totally off topic) already.
>
> Funny, you did give the list and sent me the whole thing as email as
> well...;)

Well, I had just wanted to make a few short remarks ;-)
But as you know I'm always having difficulties in being short
[grin,siiiigh] and the list was not complete at all ;-)
And that I sent it by mail too was based on the fact that it is really
important issue for me.

The problem remains. It was not an issue of the OL Beta. And things
are getting more serious day by day.

I remove the "Newshound". It is not really workable for me. Simply too
much missing neede for being productive.
And it's producing problems with encoding etc. which will cause
problems in German NG where people care on the format of postings.

So I got stuck with OE as far as the News part is concerned.
And although trying hard with mail in Outlook, it's not really
workable for me too. So I'm still using OE in 90% of the cases. And I
really want to stay with it.
But I can hardly work without having the current address data
available.
So it reamins a very serious obstacle that I cannot use the Outlook
data in OE anymore.

Therefore:
Would you see any possibilty to have this problems "escalated" and
brought to the attention oto the responsable powers?
I do not think that it could be too difficult to create some patch or
so which might re-enable the channels for the communications between
OE and the PST-data. It worked perfectly well in OL 2003 and the
*file-format* of the PST was not changed.

Another workaround would be if there was a tool for synchronizing the
"contacts" in the PST and the Windows Addressbook (WAB). But I did not
yet come across anything in so far.

TIA
Rainald