Fascinating application (1N7 running on Vista Ultimate, shared to several XP
machines). A key use for me is tabular links to documents viewable/clickable
by multiple users. For local docs, that means one has to map a drive to
MyDocs folder (to force automatic full-share-path hyperlinks) & share out a
the directory/subdirectory. For some reason, I have trouble with .ppt
insertions (opens with some kind of viewer instead of PowerPoint proper, I'm
sure I can tweak something to fix that).

Troubles:
1. No sort utility for tables/lists?
2. No "group" function for drawing objects? Big annoyance.
3. No "fill" functions for drawing objects. OK, make 'em in Word or
PowerPoint.
4. Primitive implementation of numbered lists - no nested list function (1,
1.1, 1.11)
3. Can't figure out how the built-in templates manage to square b/g pics
against the upper left corner - I get unavoidable lhCorner margin space when
I try making my own templates. Generally, I have trouble getting pages to
"fit" without scroll handles showing up - the 1N "containers" seem to demand
a bit of margin.
4. Zoom. Somehow my mousewheel once locked on an apparent page-zoom
function, can't seem to repeat it.
5. Live link between outlook tables (or even to displayable spreadsheet or
doc) would be "wow". e.g. - one page has a to-do list for financial stuff,
another has a to-do list for music stuff, and so on... on an "omnibus" page I
can place hyperlinks to those to-do lists, but I cannot make them appear on
the omnibus page & behave as "slaves" to their "masters". Or is it somehow
possible to embed such objects (with updating link to original)?
6. Subpage behavior - I expected permanently subordinated & indelibly
linked subpages, surprised to see they don't behave so. Would be more
intuitive/useful if subs glued to their parents (as is, drag a parent page up
the page list & you've lost the subpage's apparently tenuous association
thereto).
6. Mac version, I won't be the first to wish for that one. Then my Mac
could do more than keep my cat warm.

Great ideas, thanks!

1. I hear you. It's on the "to do" list for the shared source OM at
www.codeplex.com/onom. That powertoy would be a great demo.

3 (the second three in the list): Have you tried the template manager at
http://blogs.msdn.com/johnguin/archi...note-2007.aspx
? It may give you a bit more flexibility, but I can't guarantee that.

5. I'm not sure what you want, but noticed "Outlook" was mentioned. Can
you describe it differently, and maybe even include a rough image of what you
want? Maybe a picture would help me understand.


--
Thanks for using OneNote,
John Guin
OneNote Test Team
http://blogs.msdn.com/johnguin


"Schooner" wrote:

> Fascinating application (1N7 running on Vista Ultimate, shared to several XP
> machines). A key use for me is tabular links to documents viewable/clickable
> by multiple users. For local docs, that means one has to map a drive to
> MyDocs folder (to force automatic full-share-path hyperlinks) & share out a
> the directory/subdirectory. For some reason, I have trouble with .ppt
> insertions (opens with some kind of viewer instead of PowerPoint proper, I'm
> sure I can tweak something to fix that).
>
> Troubles:
> 1. No sort utility for tables/lists?
> 2. No "group" function for drawing objects? Big annoyance.
> 3. No "fill" functions for drawing objects. OK, make 'em in Word or
> PowerPoint.
> 4. Primitive implementation of numbered lists - no nested list function (1,
> 1.1, 1.11)
> 3. Can't figure out how the built-in templates manage to square b/g pics
> against the upper left corner - I get unavoidable lhCorner margin space when
> I try making my own templates. Generally, I have trouble getting pages to
> "fit" without scroll handles showing up - the 1N "containers" seem to demand
> a bit of margin.
> 4. Zoom. Somehow my mousewheel once locked on an apparent page-zoom
> function, can't seem to repeat it.
> 5. Live link between outlook tables (or even to displayable spreadsheet or
> doc) would be "wow". e.g. - one page has a to-do list for financial stuff,
> another has a to-do list for music stuff, and so on... on an "omnibus" page I
> can place hyperlinks to those to-do lists, but I cannot make them appear on
> the omnibus page & behave as "slaves" to their "masters". Or is it somehow
> possible to embed such objects (with updating link to original)?
> 6. Subpage behavior - I expected permanently subordinated & indelibly
> linked subpages, surprised to see they don't behave so. Would be more
> intuitive/useful if subs glued to their parents (as is, drag a parent page up
> the page list & you've lost the subpage's apparently tenuous association
> thereto).
> 6. Mac version, I won't be the first to wish for that one. Then my Mac
> could do more than keep my cat warm.

Thanks for reply. Let me add two more "wishlist" items & clarify the odd one.

1. A ruler! For layout checks. I'll build one or use a 3p applet.
2. A "shift=symmetrical" drawing function (forces oval=circle,
rectangle=square, etc.).

What I meant re embedded objects (terminology?):
Suppose you have 3 sections - financial, family, work. Each contains a
"dashboard" page including a category to-do list. It would be nice to have
an overview page - a universal dashboard page - upon which those lists are
replicated. Changing one (parent instance) changes the other (daughter
instance). Or - a project list appears on each of several staff pages, could
be rolled up into a project-focused overview (instead of a set of hyperlinks
to the individuated pages). Or even... an MSXL spreadsheet/list populated
with current (not time-of-creation) data, and displayable as if embedded in a
Word document. Where this leads is I suppose a massive extension of
function/utility to include embedding/linking (and/or some database-like
functionality).

I can visualize innumerable extensions of 1N7 (from the luxurious perch of a
nonprogrammer) - the thing is, 1N7 out-Macs the Mac. This is how people
think, organize & visualize things, and its flexibility means it accomodates
idiosyncratic categorization, focusing & drilldown. I wish it did
"everything" including embedded databases, or was positioned as the founding
paradigm upon which all other MSOffice apps were based. I downloaded the
trial and had it set up the same day as a corporate pseudo-intranet, an
extension/refinement of shared-directory substructure (I did need a 3rd party
applet & drivemapping to conveniently snap up fullpath/sharename directory
links), and a shared meeting agenda/minutes focus point for a chemical R&D
group. Notwithstanding warnings to the contrary, 1N7 works brilliantly with
my NAS, yet tolerates local shared file refs. It's incredible to see how
differently the wife & kid have arranged theirs (it actually offers a curious
insight into how other people think). One of the 1N7 guys should be
dispatched to MSOutlook team to fix the no-simple-synch curse, he'd be
greeted as a Messiah by SOHOs with three laptops, two networks, multiple ISPs
& a Blackberry (and he'd remove 99% of the motivation to defect to
GMail/GCal).

Back to reality: Oddly, I am spending a lot of time fiddling about with
layout - trying to get it to arrange things in ways it doesn't like.


"John Guin" wrote:

> Great ideas, thanks!
>
> 1. I hear you. It's on the "to do" list for the shared source OM at
> www.codeplex.com/onom. That powertoy would be a great demo.
>
> 3 (the second three in the list): Have you tried the template manager at
> http://blogs.msdn.com/johnguin/archi...note-2007.aspx
> ? It may give you a bit more flexibility, but I can't guarantee that.
>
> 5. I'm not sure what you want, but noticed "Outlook" (should have read "1N7" - Schooner) was mentioned. Can
> you describe it differently, and maybe even include a rough image of what you
> want? Maybe a picture would help me understand.
>
>
> --
> Thanks for using OneNote,
> John Guin
> OneNote Test Team
> http://blogs.msdn.com/johnguin
>
>
> "Schooner" wrote:
>
> > Fascinating application (1N7 running on Vista Ultimate, shared to several XP
> > machines). A key use for me is tabular links to documents viewable/clickable
> > by multiple users. For local docs, that means one has to map a drive to
> > MyDocs folder (to force automatic full-share-path hyperlinks) & share out a
> > the directory/subdirectory. For some reason, I have trouble with .ppt
> > insertions (opens with some kind of viewer instead of PowerPoint proper, I'm
> > sure I can tweak something to fix that).
> >
> > Troubles:
> > 1. No sort utility for tables/lists?
> > 2. No "group" function for drawing objects? Big annoyance.
> > 3. No "fill" functions for drawing objects. OK, make 'em in Word or
> > PowerPoint.
> > 4. Primitive implementation of numbered lists - no nested list function (1,
> > 1.1, 1.11)
> > 3. Can't figure out how the built-in templates manage to square b/g pics
> > against the upper left corner - I get unavoidable lhCorner margin space when
> > I try making my own templates. Generally, I have trouble getting pages to
> > "fit" without scroll handles showing up - the 1N "containers" seem to demand
> > a bit of margin.
> > 4. Zoom. Somehow my mousewheel once locked on an apparent page-zoom
> > function, can't seem to repeat it.
> > 5. Live link between outlook tables (or even to displayable spreadsheet or
> > doc) would be "wow". e.g. - one page has a to-do list for financial stuff,
> > another has a to-do list for music stuff, and so on... on an "omnibus" page I
> > can place hyperlinks to those to-do lists, but I cannot make them appear on
> > the omnibus page & behave as "slaves" to their "masters". Or is it somehow
> > possible to embed such objects (with updating link to original)?
> > 6. Subpage behavior - I expected permanently subordinated & indelibly
> > linked subpages, surprised to see they don't behave so. Would be more
> > intuitive/useful if subs glued to their parents (as is, drag a parent page up
> > the page list & you've lost the subpage's apparently tenuous association
> > thereto).
> > 6. Mac version, I won't be the first to wish for that one. Then my Mac
> > could do more than keep my cat warm.

You might want to try "virtual folders." You can create shortcuts to the
folders which hold .one files and they will show as sections in a notebook.
Here's the "how=to":
http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/david_ras...-anywhere.aspx


--
Thanks,
John Guin
OneNote Test Team
http://blogs.msdn.com/johnguin


"Schooner" wrote:

> Thanks for reply. Let me add two more "wishlist" items & clarify the odd one.
>
> 1. A ruler! For layout checks. I'll build one or use a 3p applet.
> 2. A "shift=symmetrical" drawing function (forces oval=circle,
> rectangle=square, etc.).
>
> What I meant re embedded objects (terminology?):
> Suppose you have 3 sections - financial, family, work. Each contains a
> "dashboard" page including a category to-do list. It would be nice to have
> an overview page - a universal dashboard page - upon which those lists are
> replicated. Changing one (parent instance) changes the other (daughter
> instance). Or - a project list appears on each of several staff pages, could
> be rolled up into a project-focused overview (instead of a set of hyperlinks
> to the individuated pages). Or even... an MSXL spreadsheet/list populated
> with current (not time-of-creation) data, and displayable as if embedded in a
> Word document. Where this leads is I suppose a massive extension of
> function/utility to include embedding/linking (and/or some database-like
> functionality).
>
> I can visualize innumerable extensions of 1N7 (from the luxurious perch of a
> nonprogrammer) - the thing is, 1N7 out-Macs the Mac. This is how people
> think, organize & visualize things, and its flexibility means it accomodates
> idiosyncratic categorization, focusing & drilldown. I wish it did
> "everything" including embedded databases, or was positioned as the founding
> paradigm upon which all other MSOffice apps were based. I downloaded the
> trial and had it set up the same day as a corporate pseudo-intranet, an
> extension/refinement of shared-directory substructure (I did need a 3rd party
> applet & drivemapping to conveniently snap up fullpath/sharename directory
> links), and a shared meeting agenda/minutes focus point for a chemical R&D
> group. Notwithstanding warnings to the contrary, 1N7 works brilliantly with
> my NAS, yet tolerates local shared file refs. It's incredible to see how
> differently the wife & kid have arranged theirs (it actually offers a curious
> insight into how other people think). One of the 1N7 guys should be
> dispatched to MSOutlook team to fix the no-simple-synch curse, he'd be
> greeted as a Messiah by SOHOs with three laptops, two networks, multiple ISPs
> & a Blackberry (and he'd remove 99% of the motivation to defect to
> GMail/GCal).
>
> Back to reality: Oddly, I am spending a lot of time fiddling about with
> layout - trying to get it to arrange things in ways it doesn't like.
>
>
> "John Guin" wrote:
>
> > Great ideas, thanks!
> >
> > 1. I hear you. It's on the "to do" list for the shared source OM at
> > www.codeplex.com/onom. That powertoy would be a great demo.
> >
> > 3 (the second three in the list): Have you tried the template manager at
> > http://blogs.msdn.com/johnguin/archi...note-2007.aspx
> > ? It may give you a bit more flexibility, but I can't guarantee that.
> >
> > 5. I'm not sure what you want, but noticed "Outlook" (should have read "1N7" - Schooner) was mentioned. Can
> > you describe it differently, and maybe even include a rough image of what you
> > want? Maybe a picture would help me understand.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks for using OneNote,
> > John Guin
> > OneNote Test Team
> > http://blogs.msdn.com/johnguin
> >
> >
> > "Schooner" wrote:
> >
> > > Fascinating application (1N7 running on Vista Ultimate, shared to several XP
> > > machines). A key use for me is tabular links to documents viewable/clickable
> > > by multiple users. For local docs, that means one has to map a drive to
> > > MyDocs folder (to force automatic full-share-path hyperlinks) & share out a
> > > the directory/subdirectory. For some reason, I have trouble with .ppt
> > > insertions (opens with some kind of viewer instead of PowerPoint proper, I'm
> > > sure I can tweak something to fix that).
> > >
> > > Troubles:
> > > 1. No sort utility for tables/lists?
> > > 2. No "group" function for drawing objects? Big annoyance.
> > > 3. No "fill" functions for drawing objects. OK, make 'em in Word or
> > > PowerPoint.
> > > 4. Primitive implementation of numbered lists - no nested list function (1,
> > > 1.1, 1.11)
> > > 3. Can't figure out how the built-in templates manage to square b/g pics
> > > against the upper left corner - I get unavoidable lhCorner margin space when
> > > I try making my own templates. Generally, I have trouble getting pages to
> > > "fit" without scroll handles showing up - the 1N "containers" seem to demand
> > > a bit of margin.
> > > 4. Zoom. Somehow my mousewheel once locked on an apparent page-zoom
> > > function, can't seem to repeat it.
> > > 5. Live link between outlook tables (or even to displayable spreadsheet or
> > > doc) would be "wow". e.g. - one page has a to-do list for financial stuff,
> > > another has a to-do list for music stuff, and so on... on an "omnibus" page I
> > > can place hyperlinks to those to-do lists, but I cannot make them appear on
> > > the omnibus page & behave as "slaves" to their "masters". Or is it somehow
> > > possible to embed such objects (with updating link to original)?
> > > 6. Subpage behavior - I expected permanently subordinated & indelibly
> > > linked subpages, surprised to see they don't behave so. Would be more
> > > intuitive/useful if subs glued to their parents (as is, drag a parent page up
> > > the page list & you've lost the subpage's apparently tenuous association
> > > thereto).
> > > 6. Mac version, I won't be the first to wish for that one. Then my Mac
> > > could do more than keep my cat warm.

Schooner schrieb:

> I can visualize innumerable extensions of 1N7 (from the luxurious
> perch of a nonprogrammer)

In order to be heard, you may post your suggestions - one by one pls -
in "Connect", the place for submitting
suggestions and bug reports to the developers team:
http://connect.microsoft.com/onenote/

When done, pls drop a note with the URL in here so that we can jump in
and vote for your suggestion.

Rainald