With Office 2007, what was MS thinking? Surely not, this is better. I wonder
how much time in production will be lost when the 'general public' start
wondering where the 'undo' button is? Or the 'new' button? It's what you get
'use to' but this is a complete relearn. Not just a few items to relearn.

No More than usually happens on business day

Undo is on the Quick Access toolbar
New is a click away under the Office Button

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com



"Lunge Forward" <lunge@forward.org> wrote in message
news:OByvpN0MHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> With Office 2007, what was MS thinking? Surely not, this is better. I
> wonder how much time in production will be lost when the 'general public'
> start wondering where the 'undo' button is? Or the 'new' button? It's what
> you get 'use to' but this is a complete relearn. Not just a few items to
> relearn.

No More than usually happens on business day

Undo is on the Quick Access toolbar
New is a click away under the Office Button

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com



"Lunge Forward" <lunge@forward.org> wrote in message
news:OByvpN0MHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> With Office 2007, what was MS thinking? Surely not, this is better. I
> wonder how much time in production will be lost when the 'general public'
> start wondering where the 'undo' button is? Or the 'new' button? It's what
> you get 'use to' but this is a complete relearn. Not just a few items to
> relearn.

> Undo is on the Quick Access toolbar
> New is a click away under the Office Button

Yes, I found them. But it wasn't intuitive to me at all. I was wanting
'quick' and then thought, "Man, I want to learn something new, not spend my
time relearning what I 'already thought I knew.' If you're going to have to
relearn a program that you previously already knew, it might be a good time
to switch to some free office programs and learn them. My first impression
is 'not good at all.'

> Undo is on the Quick Access toolbar
> New is a click away under the Office Button

Yes, I found them. But it wasn't intuitive to me at all. I was wanting
'quick' and then thought, "Man, I want to learn something new, not spend my
time relearning what I 'already thought I knew.' If you're going to have to
relearn a program that you previously already knew, it might be a good time
to switch to some free office programs and learn them. My first impression
is 'not good at all.'

How much quicker do you want to find it...Undo uses a symbol that is common
in most programs and it sits in plain sight.

Intuitive is different to users as well as developers of software....

It is also different among users what you find not to intuitive to you might
be to other users.

I have felt like you do with other programs where the interface or features
were moved and after using the program usually have found the change not be
so bad.

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com



"Lunge Forward" <lunge@forward.org> wrote in message
news:OXLOcq0MHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Undo is on the Quick Access toolbar
>> New is a click away under the Office Button
>
> Yes, I found them. But it wasn't intuitive to me at all. I was wanting
> 'quick' and then thought, "Man, I want to learn something new, not spend
> my time relearning what I 'already thought I knew.' If you're going to
> have to relearn a program that you previously already knew, it might be a
> good time to switch to some free office programs and learn them. My first
> impression is 'not good at all.'

How much quicker do you want to find it...Undo uses a symbol that is common
in most programs and it sits in plain sight.

Intuitive is different to users as well as developers of software....

It is also different among users what you find not to intuitive to you might
be to other users.

I have felt like you do with other programs where the interface or features
were moved and after using the program usually have found the change not be
so bad.

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com



"Lunge Forward" <lunge@forward.org> wrote in message
news:OXLOcq0MHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Undo is on the Quick Access toolbar
>> New is a click away under the Office Button
>
> Yes, I found them. But it wasn't intuitive to me at all. I was wanting
> 'quick' and then thought, "Man, I want to learn something new, not spend
> my time relearning what I 'already thought I knew.' If you're going to
> have to relearn a program that you previously already knew, it might be a
> good time to switch to some free office programs and learn them. My first
> impression is 'not good at all.'

I don't think the new ribbon UI will be hard to get used to... and in fact
folks will find it productive in the long-run. Just give it a chance.

My only gripe is the "default file format" WILL CAUSE MANY problems. I'm a
power user... and I've already sent Excel 2007 format files to clients by
mistake only to have them reply compaining "we can't read this file!"

My only other gripe is that despite the "new UI," Office 2007 is not nearly
as revolutionary as MS marketing would have you believe. The same old
brainnumbing deficiencies and quirks and unintuitive dialog boxes are all
still there. :(

--
-C. Moya
www.cmoya.com
"Lunge Forward" <lunge@forward.org> wrote in message
news:OByvpN0MHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> With Office 2007, what was MS thinking? Surely not, this is better. I
> wonder how much time in production will be lost when the 'general public'
> start wondering where the 'undo' button is? Or the 'new' button? It's what
> you get 'use to' but this is a complete relearn. Not just a few items to
> relearn.

I don't think the new ribbon UI will be hard to get used to... and in fact
folks will find it productive in the long-run. Just give it a chance.

My only gripe is the "default file format" WILL CAUSE MANY problems. I'm a
power user... and I've already sent Excel 2007 format files to clients by
mistake only to have them reply compaining "we can't read this file!"

My only other gripe is that despite the "new UI," Office 2007 is not nearly
as revolutionary as MS marketing would have you believe. The same old
brainnumbing deficiencies and quirks and unintuitive dialog boxes are all
still there. :(

--
-C. Moya
www.cmoya.com
"Lunge Forward" <lunge@forward.org> wrote in message
news:OByvpN0MHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> With Office 2007, what was MS thinking? Surely not, this is better. I
> wonder how much time in production will be lost when the 'general public'
> start wondering where the 'undo' button is? Or the 'new' button? It's what
> you get 'use to' but this is a complete relearn. Not just a few items to
> relearn.

I liked the new format immediately. I find it more useful and intuitive
overall. Although this doesn't exactly describe most users I think to
someone not very computer familiar the new format would be decidedly more
intuitive than the old, as the buttons are grouped in logical ways and those
family relationships help one contextually understand what the buttons are
for.

All one has to do to put a favored button onto the quick access toolbar is
to right click on it in it's ribbon position and select "move to quick access
toolbar. Then if you go to the customize option which is available in
several areas, it's a simple matter to shift the positions of the toolbar
items to the order you prefer. Took me about 5 seconds to figure out.

There are a couple of things I wish were held over but in general I think
it's a real advance.

I am NOT a Microsoft employee or IT person.
Elliot Berlin

"C. Moya" wrote:

> I don't think the new ribbon UI will be hard to get used to... and in fact
> folks will find it productive in the long-run. Just give it a chance.
>
> My only gripe is the "default file format" WILL CAUSE MANY problems. I'm a
> power user... and I've already sent Excel 2007 format files to clients by
> mistake only to have them reply compaining "we can't read this file!"
>
> My only other gripe is that despite the "new UI," Office 2007 is not nearly
> as revolutionary as MS marketing would have you believe. The same old
> brainnumbing deficiencies and quirks and unintuitive dialog boxes are all
> still there. :(
>
> --
> -C. Moya
> www.cmoya.com
> "Lunge Forward" <lunge@forward.org> wrote in message
> news:OByvpN0MHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > With Office 2007, what was MS thinking? Surely not, this is better. I
> > wonder how much time in production will be lost when the 'general public'
> > start wondering where the 'undo' button is? Or the 'new' button? It's what
> > you get 'use to' but this is a complete relearn. Not just a few items to
> > relearn.
>
>
>

I liked the new format immediately. I find it more useful and intuitive
overall. Although this doesn't exactly describe most users I think to
someone not very computer familiar the new format would be decidedly more
intuitive than the old, as the buttons are grouped in logical ways and those
family relationships help one contextually understand what the buttons are
for.

All one has to do to put a favored button onto the quick access toolbar is
to right click on it in it's ribbon position and select "move to quick access
toolbar. Then if you go to the customize option which is available in
several areas, it's a simple matter to shift the positions of the toolbar
items to the order you prefer. Took me about 5 seconds to figure out.

There are a couple of things I wish were held over but in general I think
it's a real advance.

I am NOT a Microsoft employee or IT person.
Elliot Berlin

"C. Moya" wrote:

> I don't think the new ribbon UI will be hard to get used to... and in fact
> folks will find it productive in the long-run. Just give it a chance.
>
> My only gripe is the "default file format" WILL CAUSE MANY problems. I'm a
> power user... and I've already sent Excel 2007 format files to clients by
> mistake only to have them reply compaining "we can't read this file!"
>
> My only other gripe is that despite the "new UI," Office 2007 is not nearly
> as revolutionary as MS marketing would have you believe. The same old
> brainnumbing deficiencies and quirks and unintuitive dialog boxes are all
> still there. :(
>
> --
> -C. Moya
> www.cmoya.com
> "Lunge Forward" <lunge@forward.org> wrote in message
> news:OByvpN0MHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > With Office 2007, what was MS thinking? Surely not, this is better. I
> > wonder how much time in production will be lost when the 'general public'
> > start wondering where the 'undo' button is? Or the 'new' button? It's what
> > you get 'use to' but this is a complete relearn. Not just a few items to
> > relearn.
>
>
>

The Quick Access Toolbar seems to be the way to go to get some customization
into Office 2007. I would simply like to be able to get multiple lines in the
Quick Access Toolbar, so that I can add all the most used commands and some
macros to it (I used 3 lines in Word 2003 and 4 in Excel 2003). However this
seems to be impossible - surely I'm not the only user who uses more than a
dozen commands regularly.

It would also be nice to be able to make some of the icons smaller (e.g. the
Paste icon in the Home menu, or the Calendar screen in Outlook). The only
reason for making them so big seems to be that Microsoft are catering for a
Baby Boomers with failing eyesight (of which I am one, but I have a good pair
of glasses for computer work).

I know RibbonX is available to customize the Ribbon, but what I really want
to do is get rid of the Ribbon and not customize it.

Henry

"Tengu" wrote:

>
> I liked the new format immediately. I find it more useful and intuitive
> overall. Although this doesn't exactly describe most users I think to
> someone not very computer familiar the new format would be decidedly more
> intuitive than the old, as the buttons are grouped in logical ways and those
> family relationships help one contextually understand what the buttons are
> for.
>
> All one has to do to put a favored button onto the quick access toolbar is
> to right click on it in it's ribbon position and select "move to quick access
> toolbar. Then if you go to the customize option which is available in
> several areas, it's a simple matter to shift the positions of the toolbar
> items to the order you prefer. Took me about 5 seconds to figure out.
>
> There are a couple of things I wish were held over but in general I think
> it's a real advance.
>
> I am NOT a Microsoft employee or IT person.
> Elliot Berlin
>
> "C. Moya" wrote:
>
> > I don't think the new ribbon UI will be hard to get used to... and in fact
> > folks will find it productive in the long-run. Just give it a chance.
> >
> > My only gripe is the "default file format" WILL CAUSE MANY problems. I'm a
> > power user... and I've already sent Excel 2007 format files to clients by
> > mistake only to have them reply compaining "we can't read this file!"
> >
> > My only other gripe is that despite the "new UI," Office 2007 is not nearly
> > as revolutionary as MS marketing would have you believe. The same old
> > brainnumbing deficiencies and quirks and unintuitive dialog boxes are all
> > still there. :(
> >
> > --
> > -C. Moya
> > www.cmoya.com
> > "Lunge Forward" <lunge@forward.org> wrote in message
> > news:OByvpN0MHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > > With Office 2007, what was MS thinking? Surely not, this is better. I
> > > wonder how much time in production will be lost when the 'general public'
> > > start wondering where the 'undo' button is? Or the 'new' button? It's what
> > > you get 'use to' but this is a complete relearn. Not just a few items to
> > > relearn.
> >
> >
> >