Well had some more Kubuntu fun today!

Now with the video resolution where I want it...

I actually did get the dual view working as well! Though...not quite
the way I want.

I ended up going the nVidia driver TwinView route as from the various
different methods I've seen to get a dual view that seemed the easiest
for me. It being nVidia only doesn't bother me since...I am nVidia
only myself. =)

The only thing is though...it's not quite what I want. If I had a
second actual monitor attached, it would be *perfect*! I got both the
extend desktop and clone modes working.

However...I don't have an LCD monitor attached...I have a Plasma TV
attached...those things don't like displaying static stuff! =)

So what I am looking for is basically this: When I am not playing a
movie, it can display whatever it wants...don't care..it'll be off
anyway.

When I do play a movie..I want the movie full-screen on the Plasma
regardless of size on the desktop. The clone view method *almost* gave
me that except that it only shows part of the 1600x1200 clone on the
1024x768 TV. Plus, I'd rather not have to have to play the video full
screen as I like to have the video playing in the background while
working and such...

Since I have DVDs from a lot of different regions, my PC is my
region-free player =)

Under windows, this does work via the nVidia driver. It has a Full
Screen Video mode that sends *any* video output from any application
to the plasma...regardless of size, etc.

I can't seem to find any such options though in the nVidia Settings
under linux or the additional options available in xconf.org. I did
find a list of various options I can specify there, and that is how I
did the TwinView successfully, but nothing seems to give me this full
screen video mode I want.

Did nVidia either not just include this in the linux driver or am I
not seeing the tree again because the forest is in the way?

I also tried to get Wine working...but winecfg won't even start up.
Gives me some critical section error...don't have the exact error msg
written down, prolly play with it some more tomorrow and see if I can
figure something out.

Other than that...it's working quite well!

I did get the IME working for Japanese, which is doing its job most
nicely! Behaves exactly like I expect it and want it to.

Did play around with Thunderbird a little for newsgroup stuff which
worked quite well too.

Overall, pretty decent results today. =)

It will still be a long time before I can even think about saying "Cya
windows"....but...I am one step closer now than I was yesterday. =)

At the very minimum I have a very decent platform now to do my cross
platform testing on for my work. That in itself already makes me very
happy.

I still need to find a good C/C++ IDE though..any suggestions? =)

Thanks,

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa
kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara

* Stephan Rose wrote in alt.os.linux:

[...]

> I still need to find a good C/C++ IDE though..any suggestions? =)

$ sudo apt-get install anjuta

http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/
http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/screen-shots

--
David
I don't like this official/unofficial distinction. It sound, er, officious.
-- Larry Wall in <199702221943.LAA20388@wall.org>

Stephan Rose wrote:
>
> Under windows, this does work via the nVidia driver. It has a Full
> Screen Video mode that sends *any* video output from any application
> to the plasma...regardless of size, etc.
>
> I can't seem to find any such options though in the nVidia Settings
> under linux or the additional options available in xconf.org. I did
> find a list of various options I can specify there, and that is how I
> did the TwinView successfully, but nothing seems to give me this full
> screen video mode I want.
>

I am pretty sure that you have to add your tv as another monitor in
the xorg.conf and set the resolutions that it supports etc.

If you go to http://www.google.com/linux and do a search for twinview
or twinview tv a fair bit comes up.

You may also want to look at the metamodes stuff.

>
> I also tried to get Wine working...but winecfg won't even start up.
> Gives me some critical section error...don't have the exact error msg
> written down, prolly play with it some more tomorrow and see if I can
> figure something out.
>
> Other than that...it's working quite well!
>

I haven't had to do much with wine as I use linux apps but depending
on what you want you can check out these links.

http://appdb.winehq.org/ - wine apps database tells you what works and
any changes they made to get it to work.

http://www.transgaming.com - wine port designed specifically for
running games easily.

http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/ - transgaming games database of what
works and how they got it working if they made changes.

http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/ - wine port for getting
office and productivity applications to work easily.

> At the very minimum I have a very decent platform now to do my cross
> platform testing on for my work. That in itself already makes me very
> happy.
>
> I still need to find a good C/C++ IDE though..any suggestions? =)
>

vim and emacs comes to mind but I don't think that is what your after.

In the Linux world people tend to work differently to the windows
world of visual studio.

We tend to have an editor without a gui designer built in. If we want
a gui designer we load up something like glade2 or qt designer and it
creates an xml file which is loaded to create the gui.

That being said I believe their are projects to embed gui designers
into the ide more like the windows world visual studio ide.

Checkout things like:

KDevelop
Anjuta
Eclipse
Netbeans with c++ module

Glade2 (gtk gui designer)
QT Designer


Hope this helps.

Kind Regards,
Anthony Irwin

Anthony Irwin wrote:
> Stephan Rose wrote:
>>
>> Under windows, this does work via the nVidia driver. It has a Full
>> Screen Video mode that sends *any* video output from any application
>> to the plasma...regardless of size, etc.
>>
>> I can't seem to find any such options though in the nVidia Settings
>> under linux or the additional options available in xconf.org. I did
>> find a list of various options I can specify there, and that is how I
>> did the TwinView successfully, but nothing seems to give me this full
>> screen video mode I want.
>>
>
> I am pretty sure that you have to add your tv as another monitor in the
> xorg.conf and set the resolutions that it supports etc.
>
> If you go to http://www.google.com/linux and do a search for twinview or
> twinview tv a fair bit comes up.
>
> You may also want to look at the metamodes stuff.

Thanks, going to look into that some tomorrow.

I actually tried some different media players and MPlayer has the nice
bonus of detaching the video window from the controls. So I can set my
screen to RightOf, correct the aspect ratio, and full screen the video
output window..and voila...the exact result I want.

Now If I could just figure out why the display quality is so...crappy..

Getting a massive amount of tearing and getting these weird line
artifacts (on either screen, windowed or not no difference)...

But its an improvement and one step closer :)

>
> vim and emacs comes to mind but I don't think that is what your after.
>
> In the Linux world people tend to work differently to the windows world
> of visual studio.
>
> We tend to have an editor without a gui designer built in. If we want a
> gui designer we load up something like glade2 or qt designer and it
> creates an xml file which is loaded to create the gui.

Actaully the GUI design is the least of my worries, especially since
switching to wxWidgets. It's the code editor I am extremely picky about!

I will check the ones you listed though..thanks =)

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
君のこと忘れたときがないから

Stephan Rose wrote:
> Well had some more Kubuntu fun today!
>
> Now with the video resolution where I want it...
>
> I actually did get the dual view working as well! Though...not quite
> the way I want.
>
> I ended up going the nVidia driver TwinView route as from the various
> different methods I've seen to get a dual view that seemed the easiest
> for me. It being nVidia only doesn't bother me since...I am nVidia
> only myself. =)

Yes, thats the easiest way to do it and myself I used it for a quite long time
and it has it advantages, as you can turn off the screens too.

Option "MetaModes" "1600x1200,NULL;NULL,1024x768"

This gives you to setups, the first will give you the 1600x1200 on your main
screen, the tv will not get any signal, the second will not give no signal to
your monitor, but to your plasma.

You switch with: [Ctrl]-[Alt]-[KeyPad +]
[Ctrl]-[Alt]-[KeyPad -]

I think this will fix your fullscreen problem too, you can add more modes if
you want. Keep in mind that if you have output to both screens at the same
time, the speed will be halved of what the card normally does, this won't
affect more than games like Quake4.

If you want to use two screens, then take a look at this config file
http://www.kotiaho.net/~trizt/tmpimg...nf_nvidia_dual

All you really have to do is change the BusID to match the one that is for
your card (in your case, it's the same both for "PCI" and "AGP") and you can
drop the "UseInt10Module" in the "PCI" options. Modify the other settings
according to your own wishes.

You may want to use nvidia-settings, not sure if ubuntu has it's own package
for that one or if it's included with the driver, nvidia-settings allows you
to tweak a quite many values for the card/outputs.


> When I do play a movie..I want the movie full-screen on the Plasma
> regardless of size on the desktop.

aviplay had this feature that you could get it to play the right resolution
for twinviews secondary screen, but sadly the program isn't anymore maintained
and it only played avi files. I do fully suggest you go and try to use two
screens instead of twinview.


> I still need to find a good C/C++ IDE though..any suggestions? =)

KDevelop


--

//Aho

On 14 Feb., 09:23, "J.O. Aho" <u...@example.net> wrote:
> Stephan Rose wrote:
> > Well had some more Kubuntu fun today!
>
> > Now with the video resolution where I want it...
>
> > I actually did get the dual view working as well! Though...not quite
> > the way I want.
>
> > I ended up going the nVidia driver TwinView route as from the various
> > different methods I've seen to get a dual view that seemed the easiest
> > for me. It being nVidia only doesn't bother me since...I am nVidia
> > only myself. =)
>
> Yes, thats the easiest way to do it and myself I used it for a quite long time
> and it has it advantages, as you can turn off the screens too.
>
> Option "MetaModes" "1600x1200,NULL;NULL,1024x768"
>
> This gives you to setups, the first will give you the 1600x1200 on your main
> screen, the tv will not get any signal, the second will not give no signal to
> your monitor, but to your plasma.
>
> You switch with: [Ctrl]-[Alt]-[KeyPad +]
> [Ctrl]-[Alt]-[KeyPad -]
>
> I think this will fix your fullscreen problem too, you can add more modes if
> you want. Keep in mind that if you have output to both screens at the same
> time, the speed will be halved of what the card normally does, this won't
> affect more than games like Quake4.
>
> If you want to use two screens, then take a look at this config filehttp://www.kotiaho.net/~trizt/tmpimg/xorg.conf_nvidia_dual
>
> All you really have to do is change the BusID to match the one that is for
> your card (in your case, it's the same both for "PCI" and "AGP") and you can
> drop the "UseInt10Module" in the "PCI" options. Modify the other settings
> according to your own wishes.
>
> You may want to use nvidia-settings, not sure if ubuntu has it's own package
> for that one or if it's included with the driver, nvidia-settings allows you
> to tweak a quite many values for the card/outputs.
>
> > When I do play a movie..I want the movie full-screen on the Plasma
> > regardless of size on the desktop.
>
> aviplay had this feature that you could get it to play the right resolution
> for twinviews secondary screen, but sadly the program isn't anymore maintained
> and it only played avi files. I do fully suggest you go and try to use two
> screens instead of twinview.
>
> > I still need to find a good C/C++ IDE though..any suggestions? =)
>
> KDevelop
>
> --
>
> //Aho

IDE? Just use Kate! ;-) No but seriously, Kdevelop and QT are ones I
could recommend from my limited use. I tried Anjuta (from automatix2)
but it just didn't do it for me.

Aho, I still need to fiddle with my ancient laptops DSL kernel and
will let you know how it goes.

Stephan, good luck to you!

ps. I only have MS on a minor partition as I am doing a course that
runs a program with IE deeply embedded and Wine just can't run
it...otherwise I would be linux 100%

On 14 Feb 2007 07:15:53 -0800, "temba" <marktemba******.com> wrote:

>On 14 Feb., 09:23, "J.O. Aho" <u...@example.net> wrote:
>> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> > Well had some more Kubuntu fun today!
>>
>> > Now with the video resolution where I want it...
>>
>> > I actually did get the dual view working as well! Though...not quite
>> > the way I want.
>>
>> > I ended up going the nVidia driver TwinView route as from the various
>> > different methods I've seen to get a dual view that seemed the easiest
>> > for me. It being nVidia only doesn't bother me since...I am nVidia
>> > only myself. =)
>>
>> Yes, thats the easiest way to do it and myself I used it for a quite long time
>> and it has it advantages, as you can turn off the screens too.
>>
>> Option "MetaModes" "1600x1200,NULL;NULL,1024x768"
>>
>> This gives you to setups, the first will give you the 1600x1200 on your main
>> screen, the tv will not get any signal, the second will not give no signal to
>> your monitor, but to your plasma.
>>
>> You switch with: [Ctrl]-[Alt]-[KeyPad +]
>> [Ctrl]-[Alt]-[KeyPad -]
>>
>> I think this will fix your fullscreen problem too, you can add more modes if
>> you want. Keep in mind that if you have output to both screens at the same
>> time, the speed will be halved of what the card normally does, this won't
>> affect more than games like Quake4.
>>
>> If you want to use two screens, then take a look at this config filehttp://www.kotiaho.net/~trizt/tmpimg/xorg.conf_nvidia_dual
>>
>> All you really have to do is change the BusID to match the one that is for
>> your card (in your case, it's the same both for "PCI" and "AGP") and you can
>> drop the "UseInt10Module" in the "PCI" options. Modify the other settings
>> according to your own wishes.
>>
>> You may want to use nvidia-settings, not sure if ubuntu has it's own package
>> for that one or if it's included with the driver, nvidia-settings allows you
>> to tweak a quite many values for the card/outputs.
>>
>> > When I do play a movie..I want the movie full-screen on the Plasma
>> > regardless of size on the desktop.
>>
>> aviplay had this feature that you could get it to play the right resolution
>> for twinviews secondary screen, but sadly the program isn't anymore maintained
>> and it only played avi files. I do fully suggest you go and try to use two
>> screens instead of twinview.
>>
>> > I still need to find a good C/C++ IDE though..any suggestions? =)
>>
>> KDevelop
>>
>> --
>>
>> //Aho
>
>IDE? Just use Kate! ;-) No but seriously, Kdevelop and QT are ones I
>could recommend from my limited use. I tried Anjuta (from automatix2)
>but it just didn't do it for me.

I did play with Anjuta for about 10 minutes then decided to throw it
against a wall. =)

Will give KDevelop a try next!

>
>Aho, I still need to fiddle with my ancient laptops DSL kernel and
>will let you know how it goes.

I am actually back to fiddling with my graphics driver again haha. The
driver that automatix installed is actually somewhat old so I upgraded
to the newest driver which installed with no issues but then now
usplash doesn't want to work anymore and dumps me to the text mode.

After some googling though, came across a thread about this on the
ubuntu boards with a patch for the exact problem I am having...and the
thread isn't even a week old, so apparently this is a rather new
problem! Just wish I wasn't stuck at work right now and could give
this patch a try to see if it'll fix it...it should according to what
I read.

If it works, then I'll also be running with the newest nVidia drivers
and then maybe nVidia Settings will give me some more options as far
as my DVD playback goes. I know that even on windows, the full screen
video output thing is fairly new, and it wasn't until a few driver
versions ago that they actually got it working correctly. So I am
hoping for luck here with the latest driver.

>
>Stephan, good luck to you!

Thanks very much =)

>
>ps. I only have MS on a minor partition as I am doing a course that
>runs a program with IE deeply embedded and Wine just can't run
>it...otherwise I would be linux 100%

Well MS is going to become more and more minor too as I one by one
check off the things I no longer need windows for. If I can actually
get Wine running correctly, then *most* the stuff I develop is
actaully simple enough to where wine will most likely
suffice...especially when I develop the apps cross platform anyway.

It's usually just applications for customers to adjust device
parameters and such, nothing that uses any major windows components. I
think that even the biggest app I have right now would probably work
under wine if I could get it running right. =)

Once I get that all sorted out though, get my software devleopment
stuff all working in a nice manner with a good IDE, and preferably
something that I can make somehow interact with SourceGear Vault
(never liked CVS much...used it for a few years but...prefer Vault),
I'll be really happy there.

The next major hurdle then though is the CAD/CAM stuff I do which I
currently use Autodesk inventor for which of course has no Linux
equivalent. If it would run under Wine...I doubt it knowing how deep
that app embeds itself in windows.

Though, it seems that I have two choices there. Pro Engineer or
Solidworks. Pro-E is very tempting...but I will need to see what that
thing costs to license....=)

If the licensing cost isn't too bad though and I am no longer
dependant on Inventor...there really isn't much left I would even need
to bother booting up windows for...=)

Thanks again for your input and help everyone, I do appreciate it!

temba wrote:
> On 14 Feb., 09:23, "J.O. Aho" <u...@example.net> wrote:

> IDE? Just use Kate! ;-) No but seriously, Kdevelop and QT are ones I
> could recommend from my limited use. I tried Anjuta (from automatix2)
> but it just didn't do it for me.

vi works fine and it can higlight functions too. Was trying with eclipse a
while ago, but didn't want to compile correctly, so gave that one up for this
time, anjunta I haven't tested.


> ps. I only have MS on a minor partition as I am doing a course that
> runs a program with IE deeply embedded and Wine just can't run
> it...otherwise I would be linux 100%

Gosh, I suffer with you, I left it all behind when I installed Linux on my
first x86 machine, that was after three painful months with bluescreens back
in 98/99.
The few times I use microsoft depending programs, I run it with wine/cedega,
those that don't work with them I just ignore. Not that there is much I need
from the microsoft world, just a couple of games without native clients.


> Aho, I still need to fiddle with my ancient laptops DSL kernel and
> will let you know how it goes.

Good luck, I hope it will go well.

--

//Aho

Stephan Rose wrote:

> Once I get that all sorted out though, get my software devleopment
> stuff all working in a nice manner with a good IDE, and preferably
> something that I can make somehow interact with SourceGear Vault
> (never liked CVS much...used it for a few years but...prefer Vault),
> I'll be really happy there.

KDevelop supports CVS and Subversion, the later is getting more and more
common for open source projects.


> The next major hurdle then though is the CAD/CAM stuff I do which I
> currently use Autodesk inventor for which of course has no Linux
> equivalent. If it would run under Wine...I doubt it knowing how deep
> that app embeds itself in windows.

I doubt it will work with wine/crossoffice, you better use vmware or win4lin,
or take a look at the options for Linux, found this page which list a high
number of CAD related programs, of course most won't be anywhere near what you
want. http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html


--

//Aho