Hey anyone have problems with Ubuntu 9.10 just randomly freezing up if
you leave it inactive for a bit? It seems everytime I go to work and
come back Karmic Koala just totally hangs itself and I need to do a hard
reboot.

Thanks in advance,
Luis

Luis Santana wrote:
> Hey anyone have problems with Ubuntu 9.10 just randomly freezing up if
> you leave it inactive for a bit? It seems everytime I go to work and
> come back Karmic Koala just totally hangs itself and I need to do a hard
> reboot.

Boot options?
Kernel version?
Graphics driver used?
Application running?
Hardware?

The more you can answer on that, the easier it can be to pinpoint what may
needed to be done.

--

//Aho

On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 07:30 -0500, Luis Santana wrote:
> Hey anyone have problems with Ubuntu 9.10 just randomly freezing up if
> you leave it inactive for a bit? It seems everytime I go to work and
> come back Karmic Koala just totally hangs itself and I need to do a hard
> reboot.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Luis

It has the Norwegian Sniffles.

Very bad. Pretty soon your computer will only start up on Tuesdays.

Seriously, computers and operating systems don't break. Those are names
we give to collections of parts. The individual parts may break or may
not communicate well with each other. Drivers especially need to
communicate well with hardware.

Would you like to talk about that then?

What hardware do you have?

I know of one current issue with intel graphics which causes lock ups.
You can move the mouse but the keyboard does not respond. Except to the
Magic SYSRQ sequences.

Does your mouse move but your keyboard does not respond?

You see that's a good detail to include in your description.

Otherwise you might as well say, "He's dead, Jim". And we would say "He
shouldn't have worn the red shirt".

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 07:30:05 -0500, Luis Santana wrote:

> Hey anyone have problems with Ubuntu 9.10 just randomly freezing up if
> you leave it inactive for a bit?

No.

> It seems everytime I go to work and
> come back Karmic Koala just totally hangs itself and I need to do a hard
> reboot.

Well, that sucks.


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Luis Santana wrote:

> Hey anyone have problems with Ubuntu 9.10 just randomly freezing up if
> you leave it inactive for a bit? It seems everytime I go to work and
> come back Karmic Koala just totally hangs itself and I need to do a hard
> reboot.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Luis


Yes, on Xubuntu and Kubuntu both, after I finally got them to load by
turning everything off in F6.

I borrowed an old Dell (hate name brand computers because of the squirrely
stuff they put in the bios) and got UbuntuStudio to load. Hated it. I am
now attempting to load Xubuntu will post about it later.

I do have one question - is there any chance that Ubuntu is secretly
underwritten by Micosoft in an attempt to discredit Linux as a valid
OS? ;-)

The reason for the above has to do with their refusal to load
an "ndiswrapper" and/or good internet tools. I have a little Linksys
WMP54-G and UbuntuStudio did not recognize it. This is an old card, there
is no reason it should not have been recognized. Add to that the fact that
the Gnome tool set is unspeakably lousy makes for a very undesirable OS.

Deb

On Monday 02 November 2009 00:07 in alt.os.linux, somebody identifying
as Dr. Deb wrote...

> Luis Santana wrote:
>
>> Hey anyone have problems with Ubuntu 9.10 just randomly freezing up
>> if you leave it inactive for a bit? It seems everytime I go to work
>> and come back Karmic Koala just totally hangs itself and I need to do
>> a hard reboot.
>
> Yes, on Xubuntu and Kubuntu both, after I finally got them to load by
> turning everything off in F6.

What is "turning everything off in F6"? I have never heard of any
application called "F6" before.

> I borrowed an old Dell (hate name brand computers because of the
> squirrely stuff they put in the bios) and got UbuntuStudio to load.
> Hated it. I am now attempting to load Xubuntu will post about it
> later.
>
> I do have one question - is there any chance that Ubuntu is secretly
> underwritten by Micosoft in an attempt to discredit Linux as a valid
> OS? ;-)

You have *got* to be joking, right?

> The reason for the above has to do with their refusal to load
> an "ndiswrapper" and/or good internet tools.

/ndiswrapper/ is a kernel module that loads a proprietary, binary-only
network adapter driver written for Windows into the kernel. This has
nothing to do with the distribution, but all the more with the binary
Windows driver and possibly with the kernel version.

There are two things you can do about it. The first is to install a
more recent kernel - preferably one from kernel.org, which you would of
course need to configure and compile first, but that's not as hard as
it sounds - and the second is to buy hardware which works with
GNU/Linux.

If your Windows gadget doesn't work with GNU/Linux, then don't blame
GNU/Linux but blame yourself instead, because you're the one who bought
it.

> I have a little Linksys WMP54-G and UbuntuStudio did not recognize it.
> This is an old card, there is no reason it should not have been
> recognized.

Is the driver code for that device available as FOSS?

> Add to that the fact that the Gnome tool set is unspeakably lousy
> makes for a very undesirable OS.

Parser error. Cannot compute.

--
*Aragorn*
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:07:43 -0600, Dr. Deb wrote:

> Luis Santana wrote:
>
>> Hey anyone have problems with Ubuntu 9.10 just randomly freezing up if
>> you leave it inactive for a bit? It seems everytime I go to work and
>> come back Karmic Koala just totally hangs itself and I need to do a
>> hard reboot.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Luis
>
>
> Yes, on Xubuntu and Kubuntu both, after I finally got them to load by
> turning everything off in F6.
>
> I borrowed an old Dell (hate name brand computers because of the
> squirrely stuff they put in the bios) and got UbuntuStudio to load.
> Hated it. I am now attempting to load Xubuntu will post about it later.
>
> I do have one question - is there any chance that Ubuntu is secretly
> underwritten by Micosoft in an attempt to discredit Linux as a valid OS?
> ;-)
>
> The reason for the above has to do with their refusal to load an
> "ndiswrapper" and/or good internet tools. I have a little Linksys
> WMP54-G and UbuntuStudio did not recognize it. This is an old card,
> there is no reason it should not have been recognized. Add to that the
> fact that the Gnome tool set is unspeakably lousy makes for a very
> undesirable OS.
>
> Deb

Are you just another common Win-troll? What exactly is the point of your
rambling, non-sensical post? What are you trying to ask here? Please
translate to something closer to English.


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J.O. Aho wrote:
> Luis Santana wrote:
>> Hey anyone have problems with Ubuntu 9.10 just randomly freezing up if
>> you leave it inactive for a bit? It seems everytime I go to work and
>> come back Karmic Koala just totally hangs itself and I need to do a hard
>> reboot.
>
> Boot options?
> Kernel version?
> Graphics driver used?
> Application running?
> Hardware?
>
> The more you can answer on that, the easier it can be to pinpoint what may
> needed to be done.
>

It's a fresh install of Ubuntu so default boot options. As for the
kernel version it's 2.6.31-14-generic which came stock with the install.
The graphics driver and hardware are just stock with what comes with my
old ass HP Pavilion a335w. The applications running are Guake and
Synergys none of which I can see as causing a problem as when I was
running Crunchbang Linux everything was just fine and it was running
quite a few different applications.

When the system freezes the mouse is unresponsive, the keyboard is
unresponsive (can't even turn on/off numlock), and it's just an all
around system freeze.

On Nov 1, 5:48*pm, Luis Santana <ad...@hacktalk.net> wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:
> > Luis Santana wrote:
> >> Hey anyone have problems with Ubuntu 9.10 just randomly freezing up if

....

> When the system freezes the mouse is unresponsive, the keyboard is
> unresponsive (can't even turn on/off numlock), and it's just an all
> around system freeze.


I'm seeing exaclty the same problem as Luis on my old Dimension 8200.
The system works fine when it's working; however, the system locks up
tight after about half an hour to an hour (not really sure
when...usually occurs when I doze off in my recliner). Generally, the
only application running at the time is Firefox.

I've tried to got to one of my other boxes and ping it. The system is
unresponsive to the network. I can't ping it, I cant SSH into it. It
appears to be a complete lock from the top to bottom...not just X or
KDE.

Now, the real catch is that I have had this problem with EVERY recent
Linux distribution I have tried on this computer. I've tried Debian,
Knoppix, SUSE, Ubuntu, and others. I think about the only thing I
haven't done is gone back to my roots in Slackware, but I didn't
really want all the work involved of installing all the frills that
are easily available in the other distributions.

I tried removing Compiz, and that bought me nothing. I've shut off
all of the power management I could find both in the OS and CMOS, and
I've also shut off the screensaver as well. Nothing has stopped this
hard lock from occurring.

I've been running Linux of some variety for years, and never seen a
situation where it just didn't like the box like this appears to be.
So, if anyone has any ideas, I'd sure be happy to hear them.

Luis Santana wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>> Luis Santana wrote:
>>> Hey anyone have problems with Ubuntu 9.10 just randomly freezing up if
>>> you leave it inactive for a bit? It seems everytime I go to work and
>>> come back Karmic Koala just totally hangs itself and I need to do a hard
>>> reboot.
>>
>> Boot options?
>> Kernel version?
>> Graphics driver used?
>> Application running?
>> Hardware?
>>
>> The more you can answer on that, the easier it can be to pinpoint what
>> may
>> needed to be done.
>>
>
> It's a fresh install of Ubuntu so default boot options. As for the
> kernel version it's 2.6.31-14-generic which came stock with the install.
> The graphics driver and hardware are just stock with what comes with my
> old ass HP Pavilion a335w.

It really don't say us what kind of hardware you have, it's better you figure
it out for us, so we know it for sure.


> The applications running are Guake and
> Synergys none of which I can see as causing a problem as when I was
> running Crunchbang Linux everything was just fine and it was running
> quite a few different applications.

The one of those which could cause problems is Synergy, so try to not run it
for a day and see if that make a difference.


> When the system freezes the mouse is unresponsive, the keyboard is
> unresponsive (can't even turn on/off numlock), and it's just an all
> around system freeze.

Can you still ssh to the machine? (Ubuntu is stupid and don't enable it by
default, so you need to enable it if you haven't already done that).


--

//Aho

On 2009-11-01, Luis Santana <admin@hacktalk.net> wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>> Luis Santana wrote:
>>> Hey anyone have problems with Ubuntu 9.10 just randomly freezing up if
>>> you leave it inactive for a bit? It seems everytime I go to work and
>>> come back Karmic Koala just totally hangs itself and I need to do a hard
>>> reboot.
>>
>> Boot options?
>> Kernel version?
>> Graphics driver used?
>> Application running?
>> Hardware?
>>
>> The more you can answer on that, the easier it can be to pinpoint what may
>> needed to be done.
>>
>
> It's a fresh install of Ubuntu so default boot options. As for the
> kernel version it's 2.6.31-14-generic which came stock with the install.
> The graphics driver and hardware are just stock with what comes with my
> old ass HP Pavilion a335w. The applications running are Guake and
> Synergys none of which I can see as causing a problem as when I was
> running Crunchbang Linux everything was just fine and it was running
> quite a few different applications.

> When the system freezes the mouse is unresponsive, the keyboard is
> unresponsive (can't even turn on/off numlock), and it's just an all
> around system freeze.

install ssh-server and check it out from another box on the lan.
often is just the UI that's wedged.

you can log in and kill the x server and the machine comes alive again.

On 2009-11-02, Eclectic <tekanger******.com> wrote:

> Now, the real catch is that I have had this problem with EVERY recent
> Linux distribution I have tried on this computer. I've tried Debian,
> Knoppix, SUSE, Ubuntu, and others. I think about the only thing I
> haven't done is gone back to my roots in Slackware, but I didn't
> really want all the work involved of installing all the frills that
> are easily available in the other distributions.
>
> I tried removing Compiz, and that bought me nothing. I've shut off
> all of the power management I could find both in the OS and CMOS, and
> I've also shut off the screensaver as well. Nothing has stopped this
> hard lock from occurring.
>
> I've been running Linux of some variety for years, and never seen a
> situation where it just didn't like the box like this appears to be.
> So, if anyone has any ideas, I'd sure be happy to hear them.

are you leaving web pages with flash open?

how nuch swap and ram do you have?

Jasen Betts wrote:
> On 2009-11-01, Luis Santana <admin@hacktalk.net> wrote:
>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> Luis Santana wrote:
>>>> Hey anyone have problems with Ubuntu 9.10 just randomly freezing up if
>>>> you leave it inactive for a bit? It seems everytime I go to work and
>>>> come back Karmic Koala just totally hangs itself and I need to do a hard
>>>> reboot.
>>> Boot options?
>>> Kernel version?
>>> Graphics driver used?
>>> Application running?
>>> Hardware?
>>>
>>> The more you can answer on that, the easier it can be to pinpoint what may
>>> needed to be done.
>>>
>> It's a fresh install of Ubuntu so default boot options. As for the
>> kernel version it's 2.6.31-14-generic which came stock with the install.
>> The graphics driver and hardware are just stock with what comes with my
>> old ass HP Pavilion a335w. The applications running are Guake and
>> Synergys none of which I can see as causing a problem as when I was
>> running Crunchbang Linux everything was just fine and it was running
>> quite a few different applications.
>
>> When the system freezes the mouse is unresponsive, the keyboard is
>> unresponsive (can't even turn on/off numlock), and it's just an all
>> around system freeze.
>
> install ssh-server and check it out from another box on the lan.
> often is just the UI that's wedged.
>
> you can log in and kill the x server and the machine comes alive again.
It's a total system freeze as I mentioned before, no ssh, no ping, no
tftp, nothing. As for synergys, even without it the system just freezes
up on me. I'm starting to think that maybe Ubuntu is misreading my cpu
temp and causes it to trip the "panic mode" setting thus freezing the
box. I'll look into that after a nap and report back

Luis Santana wrote:

>> you can log in and kill the x server and the machine comes alive again.
> It's a total system freeze as I mentioned before, no ssh, no ping, no
> tftp, nothing. As for synergys, even without it the system just freezes
> up on me. I'm starting to think that maybe Ubuntu is misreading my cpu
> temp and causes it to trip the "panic mode" setting thus freezing the
> box. I'll look into that after a nap and report back

Could be an issue with the graphics card/driver, but is difficult to confirm
without knowing what it it.

--

//Aho

J.O. Aho wrote:
> Luis Santana wrote:
>
>>> you can log in and kill the x server and the machine comes alive again.
>> It's a total system freeze as I mentioned before, no ssh, no ping, no
>> tftp, nothing. As for synergys, even without it the system just freezes
>> up on me. I'm starting to think that maybe Ubuntu is misreading my cpu
>> temp and causes it to trip the "panic mode" setting thus freezing the
>> box. I'll look into that after a nap and report back
>
> Could be an issue with the graphics card/driver, but is difficult to confirm
> without knowing what it it.
>

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...c00045562#N930

For those that apparently don't want to google for the system specs,
there's the HP product page