On 2009-10-28, Mike Jones <Not@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
> Responding to SM:
>
>> 2009-10-26, Eric skribis:
>>> I need a decent newsreader for kde4
>>
>> One more vote to slrn. CLI, customizable and slick.
>
>
> And more keystrokes that you can shake a stick at just to perform the
> simplest of functions. And its not much fun with arthritis either.

Slrn's keystroke commands are nearly all one key at a time - and of
course, fully customisable. But if you find a mouse or trackpad or
trackball or whatever easier to use, then fair enough - that is what
choice is for :)) You may find you can use your mouse in slrn anyway
<http://www.slrn.org/docs/slrn-FAQ-2.html#ss2.7>

> Which is why I use Pan. SLRN is a better tool, but it hurts too much.

Fair enough.

> Why oh why oh why did the developers of this (otherwise) excellent
> software decide that a permanent subject\message panel combo was a good
> idea? You need twice as many keys to operate it!

Not sure what you mean by that. You can fill your terminal with the list
of messages by hitting h or fill it with the article display by hitting z
- no need to split the display all the time if you don't want to.

> Now if somebody could tweak SLRN so it ran with one panel at a time

See above - z h and q are the default key bindings used.

> and
> navigated like Alpine...
>
> Oh yeah! I'd buy that for a dollar!

I'm not familiar with Pine or Alpine, but there may be someone out there
who can help. There are certainly attempts at 'front ends' that emulate
nn and rn <http://forestfield.org/slrn/#nn>.

The creator/maintainer of slrn reads news.software.readers, as do some
others who have contributed code in the past.

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Responding to Whiskers:

> On 2009-10-28, Mike Jones <Not@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>> Responding to SM:
>>
>>> 2009-10-26, Eric skribis:
>>>> I need a decent newsreader for kde4
>>>
>>> One more vote to slrn. CLI, customizable and slick.
>>
>>
>> And more keystrokes that you can shake a stick at just to perform the
>> simplest of functions. And its not much fun with arthritis either.
>
> Slrn's keystroke commands are nearly all one key at a time - and of
> course, fully customisable. But if you find a mouse or trackpad or
> trackball or whatever easier to use, then fair enough - that is what
> choice is for :)) You may find you can use your mouse in slrn anyway
> <http://www.slrn.org/docs/slrn-FAQ-2.html#ss2.7>
>
>> Which is why I use Pan. SLRN is a better tool, but it hurts too much.
>
> Fair enough.
>
>> Why oh why oh why did the developers of this (otherwise) excellent
>> software decide that a permanent subject\message panel combo was a good
>> idea? You need twice as many keys to operate it!
>
> Not sure what you mean by that. You can fill your terminal with the
> list of messages by hitting h or fill it with the article display by
> hitting z - no need to split the display all the time if you don't want
> to.
>
>> Now if somebody could tweak SLRN so it ran with one panel at a time
>
> See above - z h and q are the default key bindings used.
>
>> and
>> navigated like Alpine...
>>
>> Oh yeah! I'd buy that for a dollar!
>
> I'm not familiar with Pine or Alpine, but there may be someone out there
> who can help. There are certainly attempts at 'front ends' that emulate
> nn and rn <http://forestfield.org/slrn/#nn>.
>
> The creator/maintainer of slrn reads news.software.readers, as do some
> others who have contributed code in the past.


The point of my comments was that one needs to hit keys to avoid hitting
keys. Alpine does the pretty standard "one panel at a time" thing, and
has it's keys arranged so you can do most things direct from the cursor
keys, making navigating even easier than using a mouse. Thats the upside
of Alpine. The downside is that behind that well designed interface is
software I wouldn't be surprised to find a Microsoft logo tucked away in
there.

If I could get SLRN with Alpine's interface, I'd be a happy camper.

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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:46:36 +0000, Mike Jones wrote:

> Responding to Whiskers:
>
>> On 2009-10-28, Mike Jones <Not@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>> Responding to SM:
>>>
>>>> 2009-10-26, Eric skribis:
>>>>> I need a decent newsreader for kde4
>>>>
>>>> One more vote to slrn. CLI, customizable and slick.
>>>
>>>
>>> And more keystrokes that you can shake a stick at just to perform the
>>> simplest of functions. And its not much fun with arthritis either.
>>
>> Slrn's keystroke commands are nearly all one key at a time - and of
>> course, fully customisable. But if you find a mouse or trackpad or
>> trackball or whatever easier to use, then fair enough - that is what
>> choice is for :)) You may find you can use your mouse in slrn anyway
>> <http://www.slrn.org/docs/slrn-FAQ-2.html#ss2.7>
>>
>>> Which is why I use Pan. SLRN is a better tool, but it hurts too much.
>>
>> Fair enough.
>>
>>> Why oh why oh why did the developers of this (otherwise) excellent
>>> software decide that a permanent subject\message panel combo was a
>>> good idea? You need twice as many keys to operate it!
>>
>> Not sure what you mean by that. You can fill your terminal with the
>> list of messages by hitting h or fill it with the article display by
>> hitting z - no need to split the display all the time if you don't want
>> to.
>>
>>> Now if somebody could tweak SLRN so it ran with one panel at a time
>>
>> See above - z h and q are the default key bindings used.
>>
>>> and
>>> navigated like Alpine...
>>>
>>> Oh yeah! I'd buy that for a dollar!
>>
>> I'm not familiar with Pine or Alpine, but there may be someone out
>> there who can help. There are certainly attempts at 'front ends' that
>> emulate nn and rn <http://forestfield.org/slrn/#nn>.
>>
>> The creator/maintainer of slrn reads news.software.readers, as do some
>> others who have contributed code in the past.
>
>
> The point of my comments was that one needs to hit keys to avoid hitting
> keys. Alpine does the pretty standard "one panel at a time" thing, and
> has it's keys arranged so you can do most things direct from the cursor
> keys, making navigating even easier than using a mouse. Thats the upside
> of Alpine. The downside is that behind that well designed interface is
> software I wouldn't be surprised to find a Microsoft logo tucked away in
> there.
>
> If I could get SLRN with Alpine's interface, I'd be a happy camper.

The source code for both is available. Have at it.


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Dan C wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:59:29 -0400, TJ wrote:
>
>> Eric wrote:
>>> I need a decent newsreader for kde4
>
>> I run Thunderbird for both text newsgroups and e-mail
>
> He said he needed a "decent" newsreader.
>
> Thunderbird is an *excellent* email client, but it sucks (badly) as a
> newsreader. Very limited in that regard.
>
<Shrug.> I don't care. It does what I want to do, and I like it. Good
thing I don't need your approval, huh?

TJ
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Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.

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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:49:44 -0400, TJ wrote:

> Dan C wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:59:29 -0400, TJ wrote:
>>
>>> Eric wrote:
>>>> I need a decent newsreader for kde4
>>
>>> I run Thunderbird for both text newsgroups and e-mail
>>
>> He said he needed a "decent" newsreader.
>>
>> Thunderbird is an *excellent* email client, but it sucks (badly) as a
>> newsreader. Very limited in that regard.
>>
> <Shrug.> I don't care. It does what I want to do, and I like it. Good
> thing I don't need your approval, huh?

I don't give a **** what you use. I was simply replying to clarify that
the OP wanted recommendations for a *decent* newsreader, and that your
response did not fit that qualification.

You should learn some Netiquette, and trim your sig block to the accepted
Usenet standards for length. I suppose you don't care about that,
either, but that only confirms your n00b status, and general ignorance.
<shrug>


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Dan C wrote:
> You should learn some Netiquette, and trim your sig block to the accepted
> Usenet standards for length. I suppose you don't care about that,
> either, but that only confirms your n00b status, and general ignorance.
> <shrug>
>
>
Is this short enough, Mr. Neticop? You really are one to speak of
Netiquette. Exactly where in the handbook does it say profanity is just
fine? You use it often enough.

Now crawl back into your cave and gnaw on that tired, old bone.

TJ

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:48:46 -0400, TJ wrote:

> Dan C wrote:
>> You should learn some Netiquette, and trim your sig block to the
>> accepted Usenet standards for length. I suppose you don't care about
>> that, either, but that only confirms your n00b status, and general
>> ignorance. <shrug>
>>
>>
> Is this short enough, Mr. Neticop? You really are one to speak of
> Netiquette. Exactly where in the handbook does it say profanity is just
> fine? You use it often enough.
>
> Now crawl back into your cave and gnaw on that tired, old bone.
>
> TJ

Much better, n00b. Keep up the good work.


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Eric wrote:
> I need a decent newsreader for kde4
> I have knode but it loses connectivity and never times out trying to get
> new articles in all groups (try it with say 100+ subscribed groups). I tried
> pan but its crude and i was ready to scream at in 5 minutes.
> I browsed the net and found a page listing a number of linux newsreaders,
> but most were out of date and, the one that looked promising drove me away
> because every screen shot showed a watermark of some guy in the reader pane
> - i mean who wants that?
> Whats out there thats halfway decent and will run in kde 4?
> Thanks
> Eric

There is Pan, Thunderbird, Seamonkey, Gnome and many others.

I like T-bird.

Whiskers wrote:
> On 2009-10-27, Eric <apophis@ruler.of.the.night.org> wrote:
>> Whiskers wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-10-26, Eric <apophis@ruler.of.the.night.org> wrote:
>>>> I need a decent newsreader for kde4
>>>> I have knode but it loses connectivity and never times out trying to get
>>>> new articles in all groups (try it with say 100+ subscribed groups).
>>> It might be instructive to investigate the problems you're having with
>>> Knode; it's quirky, but usually reliable.
>>>
>>> Are you trying to access binary groups?
>> Nope, just regular groups, my one server is eternal-september.org
>
> [...]
>
> I think that NSP recently undertook a complete re-build of their systems,
> so it's possible that some groups have damaged files still - or that your
> own newsreader is still using a newsrc file that refers to the previous
> set-up.
>
> Have you tried un-subscribing from all the groups and then subscribing to
> them again one at a time?
>
Good idea, its worth a shot
Eric

Van Chocstraw wrote:
>
> I like T-bird.

How *DARE* You?

Didn't you get the memo from Supreme High Commander Dan C.?

TJ

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:03:42 -0400, Van Chocstraw wrote:

> Eric wrote:
>> I need a decent newsreader for kde4
>> I have knode but it loses connectivity and never times out trying to
>> get new articles in all groups (try it with say 100+ subscribed
>> groups). I tried pan but its crude and i was ready to scream at in 5
>> minutes. I browsed the net and found a page listing a number of linux
>> newsreaders, but most were out of date and, the one that looked
>> promising drove me away because every screen shot showed a watermark of
>> some guy in the reader pane - i mean who wants that?
>> Whats out there thats halfway decent and will run in kde 4? Thanks
>> Eric
>
> There is Pan, Thunderbird, Seamonkey, Gnome and many others.

Gnome is a newsreader?

> I like T-bird.

Yeah, but he's talking about using something in *LINUX*.

> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812)

Bugger off, Win-droid.



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