On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:29:54 +0000 (UTC), Davorin Vlahovic
<nrubA@ylf.krs.ref.rh>wrote:

>[Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:18:10 -0600] ???hw??f je napisao/la:
>>> Have a nice day.
>>>
>> Suck my nuts, bitch.
>>
>> ^_^
>
>Sorry, I'm not gay. Better luck somewhere else.

Do you have to be gay to suck nuts?

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:37:47 -0400, Meat Plow pinched out a steaming pile
of:

> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:15:15 -0600, ???hw??f
> <snuhwolf@netscape.net>wrote:
>
>>In message <36mtjk.in2.17.14@news.alt.net>, Meat Plow wrote:
>>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:34:45 -0600, ???hw??f
>>> <snuhwolf@netscape.net>wrote:
>>>
>>> >So I tried an Xbuntu distro thinking its light weight and ubuntu tested
>>> >by lots of devs and users...heh. Zevenos would only install via the "create
>>> >big folder" on windows. But would it boot?
>>> >Uh uh...it gave a nice error 15. But I *will* say this for it. The included
>>> >uninstaller worked *perfectly*.
>>> >
>>> >^_^
>>> >
>>> >Hmmmmm...I guess the Dell D600 Lattitude is a very hard laptop to support
>>> with
>>> >the linuxes.
>>> >
>>> >Bummer.
>>>
>>> Pioneer Linux
>>
>>Heh...d00d! I just FUBAR'd my xp install with puppy linux!
>>Following the instructions here:
>>http://www.puppylinux.org/manuals/pu...py/frugal-inst
>>allation
>>
>>And trying some different combinations to resolve it and I'm left with a lovely
>>Grub Error 17...still.
>>
>>LULZ! Linux...
>
> Noob

I'm back with Mepis 7.
But X is slow. Heres my xorg.conf file...the card is a ATI Mobility Radeon
9000 R250...but it looks like its using some generic vesa thingy :(

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "XFree86 Configured"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
#Screen 0 "ATIScreen" 0 0
#Screen 1 "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0"
#Option "Xinerama" "true"
#Option "Clone" "true"
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
#InputDevice "PS/2 Mouse" "CorePointer"
#InputDevice "USB Mouse" "CorePointer"
#InputDevice "Touchpad" "SendCoreEvents"
#InputDevice "ALPS Touchpad" "SendCoreEvents"
#InputDevice "Appletouch" "SendCoreEvents"
#InputDevice "Stylus" "SendCoreEvents"
#InputDevice "Eraser" "SendCoreEvents"
#InputDevice "Cursor" "SendCoreEvents"
InputDevice "Serial Mouse" "CorePointer"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true"
EndSection

Section "Files"
# Xorg 7.0 font paths
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc:unscaled"

# Other font paths
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/arphic"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/kochi"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera"

# path to defoma fonts
FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"

EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "dbe"
Load "dri"
Load "extmod"
Load "freetype"
Load "glx"
Load "type1"
Load "v4l"
Load "vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "keyboard"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
Option "XKbOptions" ""
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Serial Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "Microsoft"
Option "Device" "/dev/ttyS0"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "false"
Option "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Touchpad"
Driver "synaptics"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Protocol" "auto-dev"
Option "LeftEdge" "1700"
Option "RightEdge" "5300"
Option "TopEdge" "1700"
Option "BottomEdge" "4200"
Option "FingerLow" "25"
Option "FingerHigh" "30"
Option "MaxTapTime" "180"
Option "MaxTapMove" "220"
Option "VertScrollDelta" "100"
Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0"
Option "MinSpeed" "0.09"
Option "MaxSpeed" "0.18"
Option "AccelFactor" "0.0015"
Option "SHMConfig" "on"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Driver "synaptics"
Identifier "ALPS Touchpad"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse0"
Option "Protocol" "event"
Option "LeftEdge" "130"
Option "RightEdge" "840"
Option "TopEdge" "130"
Option "BottomEdge" "640"
Option "FingerLow" "7"
Option "FingerHigh" "8"
Option "MaxTapTime" "180"
Option "MaxTapMove" "110"
Option "EmulateMidButtonTime" "75"
Option "VertScrollDelta" "20"
Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0"
Option "MinSpeed" "0.25"
Option "MaxSpeed" "0.50"
Option "AccelFactor" "0.030"
Option "EdgeMotionMinSpeed" "200"
Option "EdgeMotionMaxSpeed" "200"
Option "UpDownScrolling" "1"
Option "CircularScrolling" "1"
Option "CircScrollDelta" "0.1"
Option "CircScrollTrigger" "2"
Option "SHMConfig" "on"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Appletouch"
Driver "synaptics"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Protocol" "auto-dev"
Option "LeftEdge" "100"
Option "RightEdge" "1120"
Option "TopEdge" "50"
Option "BottomEdge" "310"
Option "FingerLow" "25"
Option "FingerHigh" "30"
Option "MaxTapMove" "220"
Option "TapButton1" "1"
Option "TapButton2" "3"
Option "TapButton3" "2"
Option "MinSpeed" "0.79"
Option "MaxSpeed" "0.88"
Option "AccelFactor" "0.0015"
Option "SHMConfig" "on"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "PS/2 Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "auto"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "false"
Option "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Buttons" "5"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "USB Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Buttons" "5"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Stylus"
Driver "wacom"
Option "Mode" "Absolute"
Option "Type" "stylus"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom"
Endsection

# Settings for wacom eraser
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Eraser"
Driver "wacom"
Option "Mode" "Absolute"
Option "Type" "eraser"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom"
Endsection

# Settings for wacom cursor (mouse)
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Cursor"
Driver "wacom"
Option "Mode" "Relative"
Option "Type" "cursor"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom"
Endsection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "unknown"
ModelName "unknown"
Option "DPMS" "true"
HorizSync 30-82
VertRefresh 55-70
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor1"
VendorName "unknown"
ModelName "unknown"
Option "DPMS" "true"
HorizSync 30-82
VertRefresh 55-70
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "ATIMonitor"
VendorName "unknown"
ModelName "unknown"
Option "DPMS" "true"
HorizSync 30-82
VertRefresh 55-70
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "radeon"
BoardName "unknown"

Screen 0
#Option "UseDisplayDevice" "dfp"
#Option "MonitorLayout" "crt,crt"
#BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
#Option "sw_cursor" # needed for some ati cards
#Option "hw_cursor"
#Option "NoAccel"
#Option "ShowCache"
#Option "ShadowFB"
#Option "UseFBDev"
#Option "Rotate"
Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"

# savage special options, use with care
#Option "NoUseBios"
#Option "BusType" "PCI"
Option "DmaMode" "None"

# nvidia special options, use with care
Option "CursorShadow" "1"
Option "CursorShadowAlpha" "63"
Option "CursorShadowYOffset" "2"
Option "CursorShadowXOffset" "4"
Option "FlatPanelProperties" "Scaling = native"
Option "NoLogo" "true"
Option "UseEDID" "true"
Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true"
Option "RenderAccel" "true"
#Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Card1"
Driver "radeon"
BoardName "unknown"

Screen 1
#Option "MonitorLayout" "crt,crt"
#BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultColorDepth 16

SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1024x768" "800x600"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "1024x768" "800x600"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768" "800x600"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768" "800x600"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 32
Modes "1024x768" "800x600"
EndSubSection

# Only the official NVIDIA driver supports twinview
# these setting are an example
Option "TwinView" "false"
Option "SecondMonitorVendorName" "unknown"
Option "SecondMonitorModelName" "unknown"
Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "30-82"
Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "55-70"
#Option "MetaModes" "1024x768, 1024x768"
Option "TwinViewOrientation" "RightOf"
Option "ConnectedMonitor" "dfp,dfp"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen1"
Device "Card1"
Monitor "Monitor1"
DefaultColorDepth 16

SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1024x768" "800x600"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "1024x768" "800x600"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768" "800x600"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768" "800x600"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 32
Modes "1024x768" "800x600"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "ATIScreen"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "ATIMonitor"
DefaultColorDepth 24

SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768" "800x600"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection

Section "Extensions"
Option "Composite" "Enable"
EndSection

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:43:35 -0400, Meat Plow pinched out a steaming pile
of:

> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:29:54 +0000 (UTC), Davorin Vlahovic
> <nrubA@ylf.krs.ref.rh>wrote:
>
>>[Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:18:10 -0600] ???hw??f je napisao/la:
>>>> Have a nice day.
>>>>
>>> Suck my nuts, bitch.
>>>
>>> ^_^
>>
>>Sorry, I'm not gay. Better luck somewhere else.
>
> Do you have to be gay to suck nuts?

Perhaps. I have to wash mine to get the salt off before I eats em.

^_^

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:48:08 +0000, Davorin Vlahovic pinched out a
steaming pile of:

> [Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:17:04 -0600] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
>>> That sounds like a good plan to me. Are you planning on dual booting
>>> the LT or just linux?
>>>
>> AT this point, dual booting with XP is too much of a hassle.
>> Just going to be a linbox for now.
>
> Yes, sure, children aged 11 get it right so it must be really hard :)
>
Your interest in eleven year old children is noted :(

>>> installed opensuse 11.1 ... just comment out the virtual options in the
>>> screen section of xorg and it works a treat. This was after I had tried
>>> EVERYTHING I possibly could to get the thing to co-operate.
>>>
>> The driver for the ATI card is not just big but runs two executables under
>> windows, getting it "just right" in linux will take some patience.
>> There should be a pill for that ;)
>
> For buying mostly incompatible hardware? Sure. Try running Windows on SGI
> MIPS machines and report your results.
>
No. You aint teh boss of me.


>>> I've installed and stably run PCLinuxOS 2007 (2.6.x) on a Latitude D600
>>> since December 2007. Installed an ran "out of the box" on hardware
>>> configured as in the article.
>>> </snip>
>>>
>> Neato. I think I'll stick with Mepis 7.0 beta2 until I can find a way to get
>> another full-size distro downloaded successfuly.
>
> Perhaps you could try Mint.

I'm using Mepis 7.0 beta2...it was either that or Open SuSE 10.2
My ****ty dsl provider will kick me off during big downloads.
I'm totally disadvanteged.
:(

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:45:17 +0000, Davorin Vlahovic pinched out a
steaming pile of:

> [Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:25:52 -0600] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
>>> They aren't supposed to. They aren't supposed to install/upgrade the engine
>>> in a car, they aren't supposed to maintain the electrical systems, etc.,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> They go to the repair shop for those things. Computers should be the same.
>>> Someone who doesn't understand (and/or doesnt't want to understand) what a
>>> process is, what ACLs are, what config files are and how they are structured
>>> he/she shouldn't be messing with those things, just like they shouldn't be
>>> messing with the breaking fluid.
>>
>> The "BREAKING FLUID"???
>> BUAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>> I bet yer qualified to work on EBS systems too huh?
>
> Are you having problems comprehending simple sentences? If so that would
> explain some things.
>
Yuor spall che><0r is t3h b0rk3n :)

>>> > It is really strange how all that works.
>>>
>>> Actually, people don't surprise me anymore. Sad thing is, I've come to
>>> expect
>>> idiotic things which could be remedied by just taking five minutes
>>> one-on-one
>>> time with google or by buying a nice book and reading it.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, you do ****nuckle. Ive been playing with linux since RH 8 came out.
>
> Doesn't matter. I know people who have been playing with computers since Win
> 3.1 and still don't comprehend what happens when you leave the bootable dvd
> in the drive while computer is turned on and why their windows don't come up
> as they should.
>
Its the magic gnomes in the heat sink.
DONT LISSEN TO THEM!
THEY LIE!!!!!11111!!!!!

> You have to learn how to use the system, not play with it. If you really
> looked at how the basics work (ie. file system layouts/partitions) you
> wouldn't have written that it's too much of a hassle to get dual boot
> xp+linux. It's been done automatically for at least more than half a decade,
> manually even longer, even with Windows 3.11/95/98.
>

Thats amazing. Too bad you dont live next door. I'd be totally over at
your place all the time asking you stuff :)

> While we're slapping around, I've been working with slackware in circa
> 1995. which had kernel version 1.0.9. My first Windows were 3.0, my
> first unix was Microsoft Xenix (Microsoft was at one time the biggest
> unix distributer for personal computers).
>
But did you hang out with Larry Ellison?
Hmmmm...

>> It's improved in some areas but its still not on-par with windows for
>> support for hardware (blame the manufactureres, right) or on ease of
>> set up.
>
> Bull****. Linux has more drivers out of the box than any version of
> Windows ever.

Fer reals? Even more than W-7?
0_o

> It's just that _new_ _closed_ hardware has problems
> cooperating. Just look at how malformed ACPI system is on most laptops.
> It's horrible. Some of them are even set up to give false information to
> everything that isn't Windows.
>
I balme Bill Gates.
<nods>

> Don't believe me? Try booting Windows on a SPARC or POWER6 server.
>
Sun Systems is for teh |-|4><0r2, d00d.

> Ease of set up? Bull****, you even have to click less to install Ubuntu
> than Windows Vista. And Windows usually clobber MBR even without asking.
>
Well thats windows being all presumptive, as usual.

> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/benc...a-vs-windows-7
>
Hmmm...the Richards test was comprable.

> On top of that, Ubuntu gets you far more software per inital
> installation and takes less disk space to boot.
>
Its got a small footprint,thats for sure.

>
>> I can do a winbox in half an hour whereas a linux install requires
>> several additional tweaks for the network, hardware, etc.
>
> Sir, you are a liar.

Come here and say that :)

>Not to mention that Windows requires all sorts of
> tweaks to have even remotely usable system... ie. installing myriad of
> drivers, functioning web browser, etc, etc. W7 is sort of better that
> other Windows at the moment, but not even close to Ubuntu.
>
Slipstreamed windows doing an unnatended install is harder than Ubuntu?
Wowzers!


>> Now go stand in the corner.
>
> I know you are either a troll or a very incompetent person (actually,
> being incompetent is the average today so don't feel bad) so you should
> probably listen to your own advice.
>
I'd rather sit here and laugh at you.

^_^

On Sunday 11 October 2009 17:25 in alt.os.linux, somebody identifying as
§ñühw¤£f wrote...

> In message <slrnhd3nnh.831.nrubA@zeus.home.lan>, Davorin Vlahovic
> wrote:
>
>> [Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:38:54 -0700] Mike Easter je napisao/la:
>>
>> > They don't want to install an operating system. They don't want to
>> > understand problems about drivers. They don't even want any
>> > complexity to installing or reconfiguring anything about what they
>> > have; with the possible exception of clicking a link to install
>> > some new plugin, application, or toolbar. Most people keep the
>> > same configuration that their computer came from the store with.
>> >
>> > They have no capacity for repairing the registry if it should get
>> > bolloxed. They have no interest in understanding that there is a
>> > windows registry or even a file system. They expect their computer
>> > to work just like their TV or telephone does; they turn it on, the
>> > screen lights up and it gets the channel or website or email they
>> > want. That's all they want to know. They don't want to know
>> > anything about coolant or oil or gascap or battery or engine
>> > compartment or trunk or even the back seat.
>
> [...]
>
>> But if they are willing to do those things let them learn how to do
>> them. Bitching how righty-tighty, lefty-loosy is counter-"intuitive"
>> to them is moronic.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Actually, people don't surprise me anymore. Sad thing is, I've come
>> to expect idiotic things which could be remedied by just taking five
>> minutes one-on-one time with google or by buying a nice book and
>> reading it.
>
> Sure, you do ****nuckle. Ive been playing with linux since RH 8 came
> out. It's improved in some areas [...

Which is more than anyone could say about Windows, of course.

> ...] but its still not on-par with windows for support for hardware
> (blame the manufactureres, right) [...

(1) That statement is incorrect, since it pertains only to a very
specific segment of the computer market. This segment lies within
the consumergrade x86-based computer market, and even there, it is
still only a segment.

(2) Yes, indeed, it is the manufacturers faults, because if they keep
a lid on the specifications for their hardware, then the Linux
kernel developers have no way of knowing how to talk to the device
and thus no way of writing a (fully functional) driver for it.

Sad but true, it's a symbiotic relationship between certain hardware
manufacturers - this used to be _most_ hardware manufacturers (in the
x86-based consumergrade market, but fortunately the tendency seems to be
shifting - and MICROS~1.

See, when MICROS~1 releases a new version of their Wintendo GameOS, this
new version requires all new hardware if you want to run it any faster
than the experience of running DOS on a harddiskless IBM PC with a 4.77
MHz 8086/8088 processor and two 5.25" floppy drives. This means that
this new release of Wintendo GameOS actively promotes and stimulates
the purchase of new hardware, which is rewarded by the hardware
manufacturers by their vow to support Wintendo GameOS only.

Of course, it does require a brain and an attention span longer than
that of a crustacean to discern this.

> ...] or on ease of set up.

Rubbish.

> I can do a winbox in half an hour whereas a linux install
> requires several additional tweaks for the network, hardware, etc.

In that case, your Wintendo GameOS box will have no additional drivers
installed, and no application software, and no tweaks for security, and
no desktop customization. A modern GNU/Linux installation only
requires about 15 minutes to half an hour for a complete installation,
operating system and application software all included, no juggling
with driver disks, and is set up fairly secure out of the box, and can
be easily tweaked for desktop customization for the primary user
account all in that time.

I have had to install Windows on the computers of friends and clients,
and it took quite a lot longer than half an hour. So I'm afraid you're
lying.

> Now go stand in the corner.

Judging by what I've been seeing from you, I'd say you're a Wintroll,
and instead of a corner, let me show you the way into the dumpster.

<plonk>

--
*Aragorn*
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:51:43 +0000, §ñühw¤£f wrote:


> I'm using Mepis 7.0 beta2...it was either that or Open SuSE 10.2 My
> ****ty dsl provider will kick me off during big downloads. I'm totally
> disadvanteged.
> :(

Just curious, are you using wget for downloads? If you use the -c
option, it will restart the download where it stopped. It might take you
several times, but you should be able to get the complete download.

On Sunday 11 October 2009 17:45 in alt.os.linux, somebody identifying as
Davorin Vlahovic wrote...

> [Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:25:52 -0600] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
>
>> [Davorin wrote:]
>>
>>> [...] Someone who doesn't understand (and/or doesnt't want to
>>> understand) what a process is, what ACLs are, what config files are
>>> and how they are structured he/she shouldn't be messing with those
>>> things, just like they shouldn't be messing with the breaking fluid.
>>
>> The "BREAKING FLUID"???
>> BUAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>> I bet yer qualified to work on EBS systems too huh?
>
> Are you having problems comprehending simple sentences? If so that
> would explain some things.

He is making fun of you because you miss-spelled "brake fluid". Yet he
is obviously missing the fact that you are not a natively
English-speaking person - I am guessing that you speak Portuguese? -
and in one and the same sentence in which he is mocking you over that,
he himself is spelling "you're" as "yer", which is not in the English
dictionary.

Despite your excellent rebuttal of his rant, it is obvious that this guy
is a Wintroll and that no matter what the truth is, he isn't going to
let anyone stop him from deliberately spreading misinformation.

My advice to you would therefore be to killfile the idiot. I just have,
and it makes my Usenet experience a little nicer. ;-)

> I know you are either a troll or a very incompetent person (actually,
> being incompetent is the average today so don't feel bad) so you
> should probably listen to your own advice.

Trolls usually *are* incompetent. In fact, it is my understanding from
spending more than a year on comp.os.linux.advocacy and dealing with
trolls in other groups as well, that the typical troll has a disdain
for anything that requires intellect and that they are typically
rightwinged, racist, selfcentered and narrowminded, and afraid of
anything that would destabilize their very limited and simplistic world
view. Things like the truth, for instance.

If you actually come across a troll who's not overtly and blatantly
incompetent, then there's a good chance they'd be paid MICROS~1 shills.
This guy here however isn't a shill. He lacks the subtlety and the
intelligence for that. He's just somebody who'd feel right at home in
the movie "Idiocracy".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

Dump him in your killfile and you'll feel better. ;-)


--
*Aragorn*
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:45:17 +0000, Davorin Vlahovic wrote:

> [Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:25:52 -0600] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
>>> They aren't supposed to. They aren't supposed to install/upgrade the engine
>>> in a car, they aren't supposed to maintain the electrical systems, etc.,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> They go to the repair shop for those things. Computers should be the same.
>>> Someone who doesn't understand (and/or doesnt't want to understand) what a
>>> process is, what ACLs are, what config files are and how they are structured
>>> he/she shouldn't be messing with those things, just like they shouldn't be
>>> messing with the breaking fluid.
>>
>> The "BREAKING FLUID"???
>> BUAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>> I bet yer qualified to work on EBS systems too huh?
>
> Are you having problems comprehending simple sentences? If so that would
> explain some things.
>
>>> > It is really strange how all that works.
>>>
>>> Actually, people don't surprise me anymore. Sad thing is, I've come to
>>> expect
>>> idiotic things which could be remedied by just taking five minutes
>>> one-on-one
>>> time with google or by buying a nice book and reading it.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, you do ****nuckle. Ive been playing with linux since RH 8 came out.
>
> Doesn't matter. I know people who have been playing with computers since Win
> 3.1 and still don't comprehend what happens when you leave the bootable dvd
> in the drive while computer is turned on and why their windows don't come up
> as they should.
>
> You have to learn how to use the system, not play with it. If you really
> looked at how the basics work (ie. file system layouts/partitions) you
> wouldn't have written that it's too much of a hassle to get dual boot
> xp+linux. It's been done automatically for at least more than half a decade,
> manually even longer, even with Windows 3.11/95/98.
>
> While we're slapping around, I've been working with slackware in circa 1995.
> which had kernel version 1.0.9. My first Windows were 3.0, my first unix was
> Microsoft Xenix (Microsoft was at one time the biggest unix distributer for
> personal computers).
>
>> It's improved in some areas but its still not on-par with windows for support
>> for hardware (blame the manufactureres, right) or on ease of set up.
>
> Bull****. Linux has more drivers out of the box than any version of Windows
> ever. It's just that _new_ _closed_ hardware has problems cooperating. Just
> look at how malformed ACPI system is on most laptops. It's horrible. Some of
> them are even set up to give false information to everything that isn't
> Windows.
>
> Don't believe me? Try booting Windows on a SPARC or POWER6 server.
>
>
> Ease of set up? Bull****, you even have to click less to install Ubuntu than
> Windows Vista. And Windows usually clobber MBR even without asking.
>
> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/benc...a-vs-windows-7
>
> On top of that, Ubuntu gets you far more software per inital installation and
> takes less disk space to boot.
>
>
>> I can do a winbox in half an hour whereas a linux install requires several
>> additional tweaks for the network, hardware, etc.
>
> Sir, you are a liar. Not to mention that Windows requires all sorts of
> tweaks to have even remotely usable system... ie. installing myriad of
> drivers, functioning web browser, etc, etc. W7 is sort of better that
> other Windows at the moment, but not even close to Ubuntu.
>
>> Now go stand in the corner.
>
> I know you are either a troll or a very incompetent person (actually, being
> incompetent is the average today so don't feel bad) so you should probably
> listen to your own advice.

IMO, he's probably both a troll *&* a very incompetent person.
His rant about a Windows vs Linux install is risible. He's been in my
/dev/null file for quite some time.

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[Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:43:35 -0400] Meat Plow je napisao/la:
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:29:54 +0000 (UTC), Davorin Vlahovic
><nrubA@ylf.krs.ref.rh>wrote:
>
>>[Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:18:10 -0600] ???hw??f je napisao/la:
>>>> Have a nice day.
>>>>
>>> Suck my nuts, bitch.
>>>
>>> ^_^
>>
>>Sorry, I'm not gay. Better luck somewhere else.
>
> Do you have to be gay to suck nuts?

Don't know. But you'd have to be to ask another guy to do it to you :)

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[Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:25:51 +0200] Aragorn je napisao/la:
> On Sunday 11 October 2009 17:45 in alt.os.linux, somebody identifying as
> Davorin Vlahovic wrote...
>
>> [Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:25:52 -0600] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
>>
>>> [Davorin wrote:]
>>>
>>>> [...] Someone who doesn't understand (and/or doesnt't want to
>>>> understand) what a process is, what ACLs are, what config files are
>>>> and how they are structured he/she shouldn't be messing with those
>>>> things, just like they shouldn't be messing with the breaking fluid.
>>>
>>> The "BREAKING FLUID"???
>>> BUAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>> I bet yer qualified to work on EBS systems too huh?
>>
>> Are you having problems comprehending simple sentences? If so that
>> would explain some things.
>
> He is making fun of you because you miss-spelled "brake fluid".

If that is his main point of ridiculing me, well, great :)

> Yet he
> is obviously missing the fact that you are not a natively
> English-speaking person - I am guessing that you speak Portuguese? -

Croatian.

> and in one and the same sentence in which he is mocking you over that,
> he himself is spelling "you're" as "yer", which is not in the English
> dictionary.

:)

> Despite your excellent rebuttal of his rant,

Thank you.

> it is obvious that this guy
> is a Wintroll and that no matter what the truth is, he isn't going to
> let anyone stop him from deliberately spreading misinformation.
>
> My advice to you would therefore be to killfile the idiot. I just have,
> and it makes my Usenet experience a little nicer. ;-)

I'll probably do that soon.

>> I know you are either a troll or a very incompetent person (actually,
>> being incompetent is the average today so don't feel bad) so you
>> should probably listen to your own advice.
>
> Trolls usually *are* incompetent. In fact, it is my understanding from
> spending more than a year on comp.os.linux.advocacy and dealing with
> trolls in other groups as well, that the typical troll has a disdain
> for anything that requires intellect and that they are typically
> rightwinged, racist, selfcentered and narrowminded, and afraid of
> anything that would destabilize their very limited and simplistic world
> view. Things like the truth, for instance.

While I understand some angst on their side, the tendency for masochism
of this sort really doesn't "compute" for me.

> If you actually come across a troll who's not overtly and blatantly
> incompetent, then there's a good chance they'd be paid MICROS~1 shills.
> This guy here however isn't a shill. He lacks the subtlety and the
> intelligence for that. He's just somebody who'd feel right at home in
> the movie "Idiocracy".
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

I've seen that one. Yes, that would describe him perfectly :)

> Dump him in your killfile and you'll feel better. ;-)

:)
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[Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:10:39 +0000 (UTC)] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:45:17 +0000, Davorin Vlahovic pinched out a
> steaming pile of:
>
>> [Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:25:52 -0600] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
>>>> They aren't supposed to. They aren't supposed to install/upgrade the engine
>>>> in a car, they aren't supposed to maintain the electrical systems, etc.,
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> They go to the repair shop for those things. Computers should be the same.
>>>> Someone who doesn't understand (and/or doesnt't want to understand) what a
>>>> process is, what ACLs are, what config files are and how they are structured
>>>> he/she shouldn't be messing with those things, just like they shouldn't be
>>>> messing with the breaking fluid.
>>>
>>> The "BREAKING FLUID"???
>>> BUAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>> I bet yer qualified to work on EBS systems too huh?
>>
>> Are you having problems comprehending simple sentences? If so that would
>> explain some things.
>>
> Yuor spall che><0r is t3h b0rk3n :)

Don't use one. One wouldn't fix this mistake anyway.

>>> Sure, you do ****nuckle. Ive been playing with linux since RH 8 came out.
>>
>> Doesn't matter. I know people who have been playing with computers since Win
>> 3.1 and still don't comprehend what happens when you leave the bootable dvd
>> in the drive while computer is turned on and why their windows don't come up
>> as they should.
>>
> Its the magic gnomes in the heat sink.
> DONT LISSEN TO THEM!
> THEY LIE!!!!!11111!!!!!

"LISSEN"? Perhaps you should turn the spellchecker on. This is a mistake it
most definitely would correct.

>> You have to learn how to use the system, not play with it. If you really
>> looked at how the basics work (ie. file system layouts/partitions) you
>> wouldn't have written that it's too much of a hassle to get dual boot
>> xp+linux. It's been done automatically for at least more than half a decade,
>> manually even longer, even with Windows 3.11/95/98.
>>
>
> Thats amazing. Too bad you dont live next door. I'd be totally over at
> your place all the time asking you stuff :)

You probably couldn't afford my consultancy rates :)

>> While we're slapping around, I've been working with slackware in circa
>> 1995. which had kernel version 1.0.9. My first Windows were 3.0, my
>> first unix was Microsoft Xenix (Microsoft was at one time the biggest
>> unix distributer for personal computers).
>>
> But did you hang out with Larry Ellison?
> Hmmmm...

Wrong continent.

>>> It's improved in some areas but its still not on-par with windows for
>>> support for hardware (blame the manufactureres, right) or on ease of
>>> set up.
>>
>> Bull****. Linux has more drivers out of the box than any version of
>> Windows ever.
>
> Fer reals? Even more than W-7?
> 0_o

I know you're joking, but anyway... yes, about an order of magnitude more
drivers.

>> It's just that _new_ _closed_ hardware has problems
>> cooperating. Just look at how malformed ACPI system is on most laptops.
>> It's horrible. Some of them are even set up to give false information to
>> everything that isn't Windows.
>>
> I balme Bill Gates.

"balme"? How's that spell checker coming along?

And, actually, yes, it's his fault.

http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowa...00/PX03020.pdf

>> Don't believe me? Try booting Windows on a SPARC or POWER6 server.
>>
> Sun Systems is for teh |-|4><0r2, d00d.

To someone who barely knows what a power button is, someone who knows how to
start cmd and type "dir" is a hacker. You can be a hacker even if you don't
own any equipment. Just ask Steve Wozniak.

Not that it matters since you've completely missed the point of my argument.

>> Ease of set up? Bull****, you even have to click less to install Ubuntu
>> than Windows Vista. And Windows usually clobber MBR even without asking.
>>
> Well thats windows being all presumptive, as usual.
>
>> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/benc...a-vs-windows-7
>>
> Hmmm...the Richards test was comprable.

"comprable"?

>> On top of that, Ubuntu gets you far more software per inital
>> installation and takes less disk space to boot.
>>
> Its got a small footprint,thats for sure.

No, it is... wait for it... modular.


>>> I can do a winbox in half an hour whereas a linux install requires
>>> several additional tweaks for the network, hardware, etc.
>>
>> Sir, you are a liar.
>
> Come here and say that :)

I am here. You are a liar.

>>Not to mention that Windows requires all sorts of
>> tweaks to have even remotely usable system... ie. installing myriad of
>> drivers, functioning web browser, etc, etc. W7 is sort of better that
>> other Windows at the moment, but not even close to Ubuntu.
>>
> Slipstreamed windows doing an unnatended install is harder than Ubuntu?
> Wowzers!

Bwahahahaha :)

Of course, you do understand somebody has to set those options before the
installation? Not that Linux has the same capability. To raise your bet, I
offer you unattended (double t, not double n) installation while booting the
system over network :) While we're at it, I don't even have to install linux,
I can mount root and home file systems over network file system :)

>>> Now go stand in the corner.
>>
>> I know you are either a troll or a very incompetent person (actually,
>> being incompetent is the average today so don't feel bad) so you should
>> probably listen to your own advice.
>>
> I'd rather sit here and laugh at you.

Yeah. You probably copy-pasted that sentence. No mistakes in it :)
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[Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:51:43 +0000 (UTC)] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:48:08 +0000, Davorin Vlahovic pinched out a
> steaming pile of:
>
>> [Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:17:04 -0600] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
>>>> That sounds like a good plan to me. Are you planning on dual booting
>>>> the LT or just linux?
>>>>
>>> AT this point, dual booting with XP is too much of a hassle.
>>> Just going to be a linbox for now.
>>
>> Yes, sure, children aged 11 get it right so it must be really hard :)
>>
> Your interest in eleven year old children is noted :(

Get yourself checked. Quickly. Before it spreads.

>>>> installed opensuse 11.1 ... just comment out the virtual options in the
>>>> screen section of xorg and it works a treat. This was after I had tried
>>>> EVERYTHING I possibly could to get the thing to co-operate.
>>>>
>>> The driver for the ATI card is not just big but runs two executables under
>>> windows, getting it "just right" in linux will take some patience.
>>> There should be a pill for that ;)
>>
>> For buying mostly incompatible hardware? Sure. Try running Windows on SGI
>> MIPS machines and report your results.
>>
> No. You aint teh boss of me.

Oh, I get it. You don't have enough brain resources to understand what I have
said.

>>>> I've installed and stably run PCLinuxOS 2007 (2.6.x) on a Latitude D600
>>>> since December 2007. Installed an ran "out of the box" on hardware
>>>> configured as in the article.
>>>> </snip>
>>>>
>>> Neato. I think I'll stick with Mepis 7.0 beta2 until I can find a way to get
>>> another full-size distro downloaded successfuly.
>>
>> Perhaps you could try Mint.
>
> I'm using Mepis 7.0 beta2...

beta?

> it was either that or Open SuSE 10.2

10.2? How old is that? Three years?

> My ****ty dsl provider will kick me off during big downloads.
> I'm totally disadvanteged.
>:(

wget -c <url>

It will continue the download if the connection gets cut.
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On Monday 12 October 2009 01:36 in alt.os.linux, somebody identifying as
Davorin Vlahovic wrote...

> [Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:25:51 +0200] Aragorn je napisao/la:
>
>> On Sunday 11 October 2009 17:45 in alt.os.linux, somebody identifying
>> as Davorin Vlahovic wrote...
>>
>>> I know you are either a troll or a very incompetent person
>>> (actually, being incompetent is the average today so don't feel bad)
>>> so you should probably listen to your own advice.
>>
>> Trolls usually *are* incompetent. In fact, it is my understanding
>> from spending more than a year on comp.os.linux.advocacy and dealing
>> with trolls in other groups as well, that the typical troll has a
>> disdain for anything that requires intellect and that they are
>> typically rightwinged, racist, selfcentered and narrowminded, and
>> afraid of anything that would destabilize their very limited and
>> simplistic world view. Things like the truth, for instance.
>
> While I understand some angst on their side, the tendency for
> masochism of this sort really doesn't "compute" for me.

After careful examination of the socio-psychological behavior
of /homo/ /quasi-sapiens/ /windroidus/ /wintrollus/ in various Usenet
Petri scales, it is my understanding that Windroids prefer suffering
the pains inflicted upon them by Billgatus of Borg over the much
greater pain of attempting to access neurons which they do not
possess. ;-)

>> If you actually come across a troll who's not overtly and blatantly
>> incompetent, then there's a good chance they'd be paid MICROS~1
>> shills. This guy here however isn't a shill. He lacks the subtlety
>> and the intelligence for that. He's just somebody who'd feel right
>> at home in the movie "Idiocracy".
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
>
> I've seen that one. Yes, that would describe him perfectly :)

Not just him, but just about every genuine Wintroll you'll ever come
across on Usenet. This is what distinguishes them from the typical
MICROS~1 shill - of which I have also encountered quite a lot in my
relatively short Usenet experience - because a shill is subtle and
intelligent, and knows that he is lying through his teeth.

In the intellectuallly impaired Windroid culture, a shill would be the
equivalent of a politician, or possibly a religious leader. They're
full of it, but they know that the droids will believe every word they
say.

I must however add that the amount of paid MICROS~1 shills dwelling in
GNU/Linux-related Usenet newsgroups seems to have diminished somewhat
since the retirement of Billgatus, which coincided with MICROS~1's
suddenly less overt denial of the existence of GNU/Linux as a player in
the market of operating systems.

For instance, they now even seem to carefully admit that GNU/Linux will
run in the MICROS~1 Virtual PC environment, and this stance is quite a
novelty. Prior to Billgatus's leave as leader of the Hive, the only
mention they ever made of GNU/Linux was either in interviews and press
releases with regard to market share, or in falsified comparison tests
by their so-called "independent" sources [1], but never in the context
of interoperability. As far as MICROS~1 was concerned in those days,
the only operating systems in existence were Wintendo, MacIntoys OS and
proprietary UNIX, with the latter being depicted as rather marginal and
deprecated in favor of their products.


[1] One of these sources compared GNU/Linux to Windows and found that
the total cost of ownership for Windows was far lower than that of
GNU/Linux. What they failed to mention however was that they were
comparing a *PC* running Windows XP to a *mainframe* running
GNU/Linux inside a virtual machine... <grin>

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Aragorn writes:
> One of these sources compared GNU/Linux to Windows and found that the
> total cost of ownership for Windows was far lower than that of
> GNU/Linux. What they failed to mention however was that they were
> comparing a *PC* running Windows XP to a *mainframe* running GNU/Linux
> inside a virtual machine...

They were wrong anyway: the proper comparison there is several thousand
pcs each running a copy of Windows vs one mainframe running several
thousand instances of Linux. Virtualization has been a standard
hardware feature on IBM mainframes for decades.
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