In message <7jbrfgF350849U1@mid.individual.net>, "Mike Easter" wrote:
> snuhwolf wrote:
>
> > Thanks...I'm thinking maybe it was a faulty download since it get an
> > error "cant boot from cd" when I try the ZevenOs on my desktop as
> well.
> > And Nero complains about the file size not being the same when you
> burn
> > image.
> > My isp isnt very good about not dumping you part way thru a download
> of
> > a big file. And 600mb's is big apparently.
>
> Before you burn the CD iso there's an md5 to check.
>
> Before you boot the CD ZevenOS provides a function/option to check the
> CD for defects. http://snipr.com/sfs1r
>
Well the lappys dead in the water now so I'm prolly going to have to wipe
everything and start over.

****.

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snuhwolf wrote:
> "Mike Easter" wrote:

>> Before you boot the CD ZevenOS provides a function/option to check
the
>> CD for defects. http://snipr.com/sfs1r
>>
> Well the lappys dead in the water now so I'm prolly going to have to
> wipe everything and start over.

That sounds like a good plan to me. Are you planning on dual booting
the LT or just linux?

Why not use a distro which has more people with experience using your
hardware?

The link I gave you earlier from linlap
http://www.linlap.com/wiki/dell+latitude+d600 have a look at our guides
section for distribution specific instructions.

.... has some useful aids for particular distros.

Here are some snippages from the comments section at that link...

<snip>
ubuntu works great.

installed opensuse 11.1 ... just comment out the virtual options in the
screen section of xorg and it works a treat. This was after I had tried
EVERYTHING I possibly could to get the thing to co-operate.

installed Fedora 9 on my D600 about a month ago-haven't had any
problems.

Ubuntu 8.04 (I noticed no issues since 7.04.) runs out of the box.

I've installed and stably run PCLinuxOS 2007 (2.6.x) on a Latitude D600
since December 2007. Installed an ran "out of the box" on hardware
configured as in the article.
</snip>


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Mike Easter writes:
> Why not use a distro which has more people with experience using your
> hardware?

Because it would just work and he would have nothing to troll about. If
he wanted help he'd ask a question.
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[Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:16:32 -0600] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
>> > Thanks...I'm thinking maybe it was a faulty download since it get an
>> > error "cant boot from cd" when I try the ZevenOs on my desktop as
>> well.
>> > And Nero complains about the file size not being the same when you
>> burn
>> > image.
>> > My isp isnt very good about not dumping you part way thru a download
>> of
>> > a big file. And 600mb's is big apparently.
>>
>> Before you burn the CD iso there's an md5 to check.
>>
>> Before you boot the CD ZevenOS provides a function/option to check the
>> CD for defects. http://snipr.com/sfs1r
>>
> Well the lappys dead in the water now so I'm prolly going to have to wipe
> everything and start over.
>
> ****.

You know, you are guilty for that. You either picked the wrong partition,
made boot partition too far for BIOS to read boot sector from if the machine
is too old (some old BIOS boot systems can't boot if the partition is more
than 2GB from the start of the disk), or you're just plain incompetent.

So, after reading some of your posts here for the last few days I'd say the
problem isn't Linux (and it has its flaws, no doubt about it) it's your
incompetence. You either can't read, haven't done your homework or don't have
enough brain capacity to understand some basic things about computers.

The computer is the most complicated machine you will probably be operating
in your life. No matter what Windows tells you, it will never be an
appliance. If you wish to DIY such things place your butt in the chair and
start learning instead of bitching.

No, Windows wouldn't boot the system either if it were to boot from 2G+
offset partition on some old BIOS motherboards. No, Windows installation
would destroy the boot manager other than Microsoft MBR. Etc, etc, etc.

And, no, Windows installations aren't simpler, they usually come
preinstalled on brand new computers and people mostly haven't a clue
how to install them either. It's not Windows or Linux, it's about people who
are too lazy, ignorant and incompetent.

Have a nice day.

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Davorin Vlahovic wrote:
> And, no, Windows installations aren't simpler, they usually come
> preinstalled on brand new computers and people mostly haven't a clue
> how to install them either. It's not Windows or Linux, it's about
> people who are too lazy, ignorant and incompetent.

But the real life situation is that most people don't want to give a
computer even the same 'respect' that they give an automobile's
operation.

That is, while we expect everyone to know where the engine is, what a
battery is, what a radiator is and what water or coolant is for and the
fact that oil has some kind of function but the gasoline goes into the
gas tank, and that not only that, there are electrical devices and fuses
and 'appliances' in the auto that need to be configured or handled
correctly....

.... there is no such 'interest' in learning similar things about a
computer's configuration.

People feel that a computer is supposed to be like a TV or a telephone.
You just pick it up and keypad a number or turn it on and click the
remote and 'it just works'. You aren't supposed to know about the parts
of those appliances.

People want their computer to be like their TV or telephone; not as
complicated as all of the systems as an automobile.

They don't want to install an operating system. They don't want to
understand problems about drivers. They don't even want any complexity
to installing or reconfiguring anything about what they have; with the
possible exception of clicking a link to install some new plugin,
application, or toolbar. Most people keep the same configuration that
their computer came from the store with.

They have no capacity for repairing the registry if it should get
bolloxed. They have no interest in understanding that there is a
windows registry or even a file system. They expect their computer to
work just like their TV or telephone does; they turn it on, the screen
lights up and it gets the channel or website or email they want. That's
all they want to know. They don't want to know anything about coolant
or oil or gascap or battery or engine compartment or trunk or even the
back seat.

It is really strange how all that works.



--
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§ñühw¤£f wrote:

> In message <36mtjk.in2.17.14@news.alt.net>, Meat Plow wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:34:45 -0600, ???hw??f
>> <snuhwolf@netscape.net>wrote:
>>
>> >So I tried an Xbuntu distro thinking its light weight and ubuntu tested
>> >by lots of devs and users...heh. Zevenos would only install via the "create
>> >big folder" on windows. But would it boot?
>> >Uh uh...it gave a nice error 15. But I *will* say this for it. The included
>> >uninstaller worked *perfectly*.
>> >
>> >^_^
>> >
>> >Hmmmmm...I guess the Dell D600 Lattitude is a very hard laptop to support
>> with
>> >the linuxes.
>> >
>> >Bummer.
>>
>> Pioneer Linux
>
> Heh...d00d! I just FUBAR'd my xp install with puppy linux!
> Following the instructions here:
> http://www.puppylinux.org/manuals/pu...py/frugal-inst
> allation
>
> And trying some different combinations to resolve it and I'm left with a lovely
> Grub Error 17...still.
>
> LULZ! Linux...

For ****'s sake.

Download Ubuntu 9.04, compare the ISO to the MD5-sum, burn the ISO to
CD, compare the CD to the MD5-sum, boot with CD, and install. Should
take around 20-25 minutes.

I can almost guarantee that everything will work 'out of the box', same
as it did on the laptop I'm using to type this message (including
wireless NIC, webcam, touchpad, volume keys, sound, native screen
resolution etc...)

Anything that *doesn't* work, let us know and there's probably an
easy enough fix.

If you want a 'lighter' desktop:

sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop

Let us know how you go :)

Andy.

[Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:38:54 -0700] Mike Easter je napisao/la:
> They don't want to install an operating system. They don't want to
> understand problems about drivers. They don't even want any complexity
> to installing or reconfiguring anything about what they have; with the
> possible exception of clicking a link to install some new plugin,
> application, or toolbar. Most people keep the same configuration that
> their computer came from the store with.
>
> They have no capacity for repairing the registry if it should get
> bolloxed. They have no interest in understanding that there is a
> windows registry or even a file system. They expect their computer to
> work just like their TV or telephone does; they turn it on, the screen
> lights up and it gets the channel or website or email they want. That's
> all they want to know. They don't want to know anything about coolant
> or oil or gascap or battery or engine compartment or trunk or even the
> back seat.

They aren't supposed to. They aren't supposed to install/upgrade the engine
in a car, they aren't supposed to maintain the electrical systems, etc., etc.

They go to the repair shop for those things. Computers should be the same.
Someone who doesn't understand (and/or doesnt't want to understand) what a
process is, what ACLs are, what config files are and how they are structured
he/she shouldn't be messing with those things, just like they shouldn't be
messing with the breaking fluid.

But if they are willing to do those things let them learn how to do them.
Bitching how righty-tighty, lefty-loosy is counter-"intuitive" to them is
moronic.

> It is really strange how all that works.

Actually, people don't surprise me anymore. Sad thing is, I've come to expect
idiotic things which could be remedied by just taking five minutes one-on-one
time with google or by buying a nice book and reading it.

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In message <7jcfrrF35j21hU1@mid.individual.net>, "Mike Easter" wrote:
> snuhwolf wrote:
> > "Mike Easter" wrote:
>
> >> Before you boot the CD ZevenOS provides a function/option to check
> the
> >> CD for defects. http://snipr.com/sfs1r
> >>
> > Well the lappys dead in the water now so I'm prolly going to have to
> > wipe everything and start over.
>
> That sounds like a good plan to me. Are you planning on dual booting
> the LT or just linux?
>
AT this point, dual booting with XP is too much of a hassle.
Just going to be a linbox for now.

> Why not use a distro which has more people with experience using your
> hardware?
>
> The link I gave you earlier from linlap
> http://www.linlap.com/wiki/dell+latitude+d600 have a look at our guides
> section for distribution specific instructions.
>

Bookmarked it :)

> .... has some useful aids for particular distros.
>
> Here are some snippages from the comments section at that link...
>
> <snip>
> ubuntu works great.
>
> installed opensuse 11.1 ... just comment out the virtual options in the
> screen section of xorg and it works a treat. This was after I had tried
> EVERYTHING I possibly could to get the thing to co-operate.
>
The driver for the ATI card is not just big but runs two executables under
windows, getting it "just right" in linux will take some patience.
There should be a pill for that ;)

> installed Fedora 9 on my D600 about a month ago-haven't had any
> problems.
>
> Ubuntu 8.04 (I noticed no issues since 7.04.) runs out of the box.
>
> I've installed and stably run PCLinuxOS 2007 (2.6.x) on a Latitude D600
> since December 2007. Installed an ran "out of the box" on hardware
> configured as in the article.
> </snip>
>
Neato. I think I'll stick with Mepis 7.0 beta2 until I can find a way to get
another full-size distro downloaded successfuly.

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In message <slrnhd25uv.59t.nrubA@zeus.home.lan>, Davorin Vlahovic wrote:
> [Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:16:32 -0600] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
> >> > Thanks...I'm thinking maybe it was a faulty download since it get an
> >> > error "cant boot from cd" when I try the ZevenOs on my desktop as
> >> well.
> >> > And Nero complains about the file size not being the same when you
> >> burn
> >> > image.
> >> > My isp isnt very good about not dumping you part way thru a download
> >> of
> >> > a big file. And 600mb's is big apparently.
> >>
> >> Before you burn the CD iso there's an md5 to check.
> >>
> >> Before you boot the CD ZevenOS provides a function/option to check the
> >> CD for defects. http://snipr.com/sfs1r
> >>
> > Well the lappys dead in the water now so I'm prolly going to have to wipe
> > everything and start over.
> >
> > ****.
>
> You know, you are guilty for that. You either picked the wrong partition,
> made boot partition too far for BIOS to read boot sector from if the machine
> is too old (some old BIOS boot systems can't boot if the partition is more
> than 2GB from the start of the disk), or you're just plain incompetent.
>
> So, after reading some of your posts here for the last few days I'd say the
> problem isn't Linux (and it has its flaws, no doubt about it) it's your
> incompetence. You either can't read, haven't done your homework or don't
> have
> enough brain capacity to understand some basic things about computers.
>
> The computer is the most complicated machine you will probably be operating
> in your life. No matter what Windows tells you, it will never be an
> appliance. If you wish to DIY such things place your butt in the chair and
> start learning instead of bitching.
>
> No, Windows wouldn't boot the system either if it were to boot from 2G+
> offset partition on some old BIOS motherboards. No, Windows installation
> would destroy the boot manager other than Microsoft MBR. Etc, etc, etc.
>
> And, no, Windows installations aren't simpler, they usually come
> preinstalled on brand new computers and people mostly haven't a clue
> how to install them either. It's not Windows or Linux, it's about people who
> are too lazy, ignorant and incompetent.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
Suck my nuts, bitch.

^_^


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In message <slrnhd3nnh.831.nrubA@zeus.home.lan>, Davorin Vlahovic wrote:
> [Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:38:54 -0700] Mike Easter je napisao/la:
> > They don't want to install an operating system. They don't want to
> > understand problems about drivers. They don't even want any complexity
> > to installing or reconfiguring anything about what they have; with the
> > possible exception of clicking a link to install some new plugin,
> > application, or toolbar. Most people keep the same configuration that
> > their computer came from the store with.
> >
> > They have no capacity for repairing the registry if it should get
> > bolloxed. They have no interest in understanding that there is a
> > windows registry or even a file system. They expect their computer to
> > work just like their TV or telephone does; they turn it on, the screen
> > lights up and it gets the channel or website or email they want. That's
> > all they want to know. They don't want to know anything about coolant
> > or oil or gascap or battery or engine compartment or trunk or even the
> > back seat.
>
> They aren't supposed to. They aren't supposed to install/upgrade the engine
> in a car, they aren't supposed to maintain the electrical systems, etc.,
> etc.
>
> They go to the repair shop for those things. Computers should be the same.
> Someone who doesn't understand (and/or doesnt't want to understand) what a
> process is, what ACLs are, what config files are and how they are structured
> he/she shouldn't be messing with those things, just like they shouldn't be
> messing with the breaking fluid.
>


The "BREAKING FLUID"???
BUAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I bet yer qualified to work on EBS systems too huh?


> But if they are willing to do those things let them learn how to do them.
> Bitching how righty-tighty, lefty-loosy is counter-"intuitive" to them is
> moronic.
>

Pull the lugs on any f-series driverside diff, how?
LULZ.

> > It is really strange how all that works.
>
> Actually, people don't surprise me anymore. Sad thing is, I've come to
> expect
> idiotic things which could be remedied by just taking five minutes
> one-on-one
> time with google or by buying a nice book and reading it.
>

Sure, you do ****nuckle. Ive been playing with linux since RH 8 came out.
It's improved in some areas but its still not on-par with windows for support
for hardware (blame the manufactureres, right) or on ease of set up.
I can do a winbox in half an hour whereas a linux install requires several
additional tweaks for the network, hardware, etc.
Now go stand in the corner.

^_^

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[Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:18:10 -0600] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
>> Have a nice day.
>>
> Suck my nuts, bitch.
>
> ^_^

Sorry, I'm not gay. Better luck somewhere else.
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[Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:25:52 -0600] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
>> They aren't supposed to. They aren't supposed to install/upgrade the engine
>> in a car, they aren't supposed to maintain the electrical systems, etc.,
>> etc.
>>
>> They go to the repair shop for those things. Computers should be the same.
>> Someone who doesn't understand (and/or doesnt't want to understand) what a
>> process is, what ACLs are, what config files are and how they are structured
>> he/she shouldn't be messing with those things, just like they shouldn't be
>> messing with the breaking fluid.
>
> The "BREAKING FLUID"???
> BUAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
> I bet yer qualified to work on EBS systems too huh?

Are you having problems comprehending simple sentences? If so that would
explain some things.

>> > It is really strange how all that works.
>>
>> Actually, people don't surprise me anymore. Sad thing is, I've come to
>> expect
>> idiotic things which could be remedied by just taking five minutes
>> one-on-one
>> time with google or by buying a nice book and reading it.
>>
>
> Sure, you do ****nuckle. Ive been playing with linux since RH 8 came out.

Doesn't matter. I know people who have been playing with computers since Win
3.1 and still don't comprehend what happens when you leave the bootable dvd
in the drive while computer is turned on and why their windows don't come up
as they should.

You have to learn how to use the system, not play with it. If you really
looked at how the basics work (ie. file system layouts/partitions) you
wouldn't have written that it's too much of a hassle to get dual boot
xp+linux. It's been done automatically for at least more than half a decade,
manually even longer, even with Windows 3.11/95/98.

While we're slapping around, I've been working with slackware in circa 1995.
which had kernel version 1.0.9. My first Windows were 3.0, my first unix was
Microsoft Xenix (Microsoft was at one time the biggest unix distributer for
personal computers).

> It's improved in some areas but its still not on-par with windows for support
> for hardware (blame the manufactureres, right) or on ease of set up.

Bull****. Linux has more drivers out of the box than any version of Windows
ever. It's just that _new_ _closed_ hardware has problems cooperating. Just
look at how malformed ACPI system is on most laptops. It's horrible. Some of
them are even set up to give false information to everything that isn't
Windows.

Don't believe me? Try booting Windows on a SPARC or POWER6 server.


Ease of set up? Bull****, you even have to click less to install Ubuntu than
Windows Vista. And Windows usually clobber MBR even without asking.

http://www.tuxradar.com/content/benc...a-vs-windows-7

On top of that, Ubuntu gets you far more software per inital installation and
takes less disk space to boot.


> I can do a winbox in half an hour whereas a linux install requires several
> additional tweaks for the network, hardware, etc.

Sir, you are a liar. Not to mention that Windows requires all sorts of
tweaks to have even remotely usable system... ie. installing myriad of
drivers, functioning web browser, etc, etc. W7 is sort of better that
other Windows at the moment, but not even close to Ubuntu.

> Now go stand in the corner.

I know you are either a troll or a very incompetent person (actually, being
incompetent is the average today so don't feel bad) so you should probably
listen to your own advice.

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[Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:17:04 -0600] §ñühw¤£f je napisao/la:
>> That sounds like a good plan to me. Are you planning on dual booting
>> the LT or just linux?
>>
> AT this point, dual booting with XP is too much of a hassle.
> Just going to be a linbox for now.

Yes, sure, children aged 11 get it right so it must be really hard :)

>> installed opensuse 11.1 ... just comment out the virtual options in the
>> screen section of xorg and it works a treat. This was after I had tried
>> EVERYTHING I possibly could to get the thing to co-operate.
>>
> The driver for the ATI card is not just big but runs two executables under
> windows, getting it "just right" in linux will take some patience.
> There should be a pill for that ;)

For buying mostly incompatible hardware? Sure. Try running Windows on SGI
MIPS machines and report your results.

>> I've installed and stably run PCLinuxOS 2007 (2.6.x) on a Latitude D600
>> since December 2007. Installed an ran "out of the box" on hardware
>> configured as in the article.
>> </snip>
>>
> Neato. I think I'll stick with Mepis 7.0 beta2 until I can find a way to get
> another full-size distro downloaded successfuly.

Perhaps you could try Mint.
--
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Davorin Vlahovic writes:
> Perhaps you could try Mint.

I think he should try Microsoft Windows 7. On an ARM-based netbook.
--
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jhasler@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:15:15 -0600, ???hw??f
<snuhwolf@netscape.net>wrote:

>In message <36mtjk.in2.17.14@news.alt.net>, Meat Plow wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:34:45 -0600, ???hw??f
>> <snuhwolf@netscape.net>wrote:
>>
>> >So I tried an Xbuntu distro thinking its light weight and ubuntu tested
>> >by lots of devs and users...heh. Zevenos would only install via the "create
>> >big folder" on windows. But would it boot?
>> >Uh uh...it gave a nice error 15. But I *will* say this for it. The included
>> >uninstaller worked *perfectly*.
>> >
>> >^_^
>> >
>> >Hmmmmm...I guess the Dell D600 Lattitude is a very hard laptop to support
>> with
>> >the linuxes.
>> >
>> >Bummer.
>>
>> Pioneer Linux
>
>Heh...d00d! I just FUBAR'd my xp install with puppy linux!
>Following the instructions here:
>http://www.puppylinux.org/manuals/pu...py/frugal-inst
>allation
>
>And trying some different combinations to resolve it and I'm left with a lovely
>Grub Error 17...still.
>
>LULZ! Linux...

Noob