I have been chatting with people about my frustration with getting simple
stuff to work "out-of-the-box" with Linux.

Things like simply plugging into a network and being able to browse XP
folders on a peer to peer XP network (that means no server and no
authentication needed) that are not password protected. Still don't have an
answer to that one....

But, yesterday, I ran into a shining example of one reason that FOSS will
never work for small business (which is MUST to be able to legitimately
challenge Microsoft's monopoly).

While I was testing some software in a Linux environment, I came across an
area in which it would not work as advertised by the authors. I raised some
polite concern (really...I was polite) about the problem in a user forum
specific to this software, only to be told politely to rtfm.

I re-rtfm. The problem persisted, so I raised my concerns again. Again I
was told to rtfm. Again I re-rtfm and returned with the same questions that
were unanswered by the manual.

This time I was politely informed where I could reach the authors of the
software. I went there and we went through the whole rtfm, re-rtfm loop
another 2 or three times until they finally asked to see my data. I sent
them my data files.

In about an hour, they confirmed that there was a problem. Great! Now
they'll jump right on it - because everyone wants their code to work like
they say it will, right?

Well, not really. I offered to help where I could (sacrificing a goat,
providing beer or money) but was told that the only help needed was to fix
the code. Unfortunately for me, I don't know C coding - so I am SOL.

Small businesses (which are 90+% of all businesses) are called "small
businesses" because they are small. This generally means no in-house
programmers. So, small businesses are at the mercy of the coders that
provide the software that they run on.

In this instance, I am at the mercy of these coders.

As nice as they are, this "I'll get to it when I can" attitude is just not
acceptable to small businesses. They lose market share. They lose
customers and they lose money when software doesn't work as advertised in
tfm.

This is why FOSS just doesn't work for the majority of businesses (which are
small businesses).

While I move on to look for proprietary sources to replace the broken open
sourced software, I am again reminded that the FOSS movement still "just
doesn't get it" where small business is concerned.

If it doesn't affect your earning a living or some other important aspect of
your life, FOSS may be just fine. But, if its important, its important
enough to pay to have it done right and supported.

jim

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:34:23 -0400, jim wrote:

> I have been chatting with people about my frustration with getting simple
> stuff to work "out-of-the-box" with Linux.


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jim wrote:
> I have been chatting with people about my frustration with getting simple
> stuff to work "out-of-the-box" with Linux.
>
> Things like simply plugging into a network and being able to browse XP
> folders on a peer to peer XP network (that means no server and no
> authentication needed) that are not password protected. Still don't have an
> answer to that one....
>
> But, yesterday, I ran into a shining example of one reason that FOSS will
> never work for small business (which is MUST to be able to legitimately
> challenge Microsoft's monopoly).
>
> While I was testing some software in a Linux environment, I came across an
> area in which it would not work as advertised by the authors. I raised some
> polite concern (really...I was polite) about the problem in a user forum
> specific to this software, only to be told politely to rtfm.
>
> I re-rtfm. The problem persisted, so I raised my concerns again. Again I
> was told to rtfm. Again I re-rtfm and returned with the same questions that
> were unanswered by the manual.
>
> This time I was politely informed where I could reach the authors of the
> software. I went there and we went through the whole rtfm, re-rtfm loop
> another 2 or three times until they finally asked to see my data. I sent
> them my data files.
>
> In about an hour, they confirmed that there was a problem. Great! Now
> they'll jump right on it - because everyone wants their code to work like
> they say it will, right?
>
> Well, not really. I offered to help where I could (sacrificing a goat,
> providing beer or money) but was told that the only help needed was to fix
> the code. Unfortunately for me, I don't know C coding - so I am SOL.
>
> Small businesses (which are 90+% of all businesses) are called "small
> businesses" because they are small. This generally means no in-house
> programmers. So, small businesses are at the mercy of the coders that
> provide the software that they run on.
>
> In this instance, I am at the mercy of these coders.
>
> As nice as they are, this "I'll get to it when I can" attitude is just not
> acceptable to small businesses. They lose market share. They lose
> customers and they lose money when software doesn't work as advertised in
> tfm.
>
> This is why FOSS just doesn't work for the majority of businesses (which are
> small businesses).
>
> While I move on to look for proprietary sources to replace the broken open
> sourced software, I am again reminded that the FOSS movement still "just
> doesn't get it" where small business is concerned.
>
> If it doesn't affect your earning a living or some other important aspect of
> your life, FOSS may be just fine. But, if its important, its important
> enough to pay to have it done right and supported.
>
> jim
>
>



Why don't you preach to you're believers. After all you really don't
want the truth.
I have no problem with Linux cooperating with MS. But try to get MS to
cooperate with Linux that's another story.I really think you need to
talk to Dennis, Hadron, and Jeff Glatt.
I do have my own "small business" and have had for 30 years.
Go some where where someone wants to listen to you.
caver1

"caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
news:485084a4$0$4250$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> jim wrote:
>> I have been chatting with people about my frustration with getting simple
>> stuff to work "out-of-the-box" with Linux.
>>
>> Things like simply plugging into a network and being able to browse XP
>> folders on a peer to peer XP network (that means no server and no
>> authentication needed) that are not password protected. Still don't have
>> an answer to that one....
>>
>> But, yesterday, I ran into a shining example of one reason that FOSS will
>> never work for small business (which is MUST to be able to legitimately
>> challenge Microsoft's monopoly).
>>
>> While I was testing some software in a Linux environment, I came across
>> an area in which it would not work as advertised by the authors. I
>> raised some polite concern (really...I was polite) about the problem in a
>> user forum specific to this software, only to be told politely to rtfm.
>>
>> I re-rtfm. The problem persisted, so I raised my concerns again. Again
>> I was told to rtfm. Again I re-rtfm and returned with the same questions
>> that were unanswered by the manual.
>>
>> This time I was politely informed where I could reach the authors of the
>> software. I went there and we went through the whole rtfm, re-rtfm loop
>> another 2 or three times until they finally asked to see my data. I sent
>> them my data files.
>>
>> In about an hour, they confirmed that there was a problem. Great! Now
>> they'll jump right on it - because everyone wants their code to work like
>> they say it will, right?
>>
>> Well, not really. I offered to help where I could (sacrificing a goat,
>> providing beer or money) but was told that the only help needed was to
>> fix the code. Unfortunately for me, I don't know C coding - so I am SOL.
>>
>> Small businesses (which are 90+% of all businesses) are called "small
>> businesses" because they are small. This generally means no in-house
>> programmers. So, small businesses are at the mercy of the coders that
>> provide the software that they run on.
>>
>> In this instance, I am at the mercy of these coders.
>>
>> As nice as they are, this "I'll get to it when I can" attitude is just
>> not acceptable to small businesses. They lose market share. They lose
>> customers and they lose money when software doesn't work as advertised in
>> tfm.
>>
>> This is why FOSS just doesn't work for the majority of businesses (which
>> are small businesses).
>>
>> While I move on to look for proprietary sources to replace the broken
>> open sourced software, I am again reminded that the FOSS movement still
>> "just doesn't get it" where small business is concerned.
>>
>> If it doesn't affect your earning a living or some other important aspect
>> of your life, FOSS may be just fine. But, if its important, its
>> important enough to pay to have it done right and supported.
>>
>> jim
>
>
>
> Why don't you preach to you're believers. After all you really don't want
> the truth.
> I have no problem with Linux cooperating with MS. But try to get MS to
> cooperate with Linux that's another story.I really think you need to talk
> to Dennis, Hadron, and Jeff Glatt.
> I do have my own "small business" and have had for 30 years.
> Go some where where someone wants to listen to you.
> caver1

I'm willing to listen and I have tried everything I have been told to try.

Do YOU have the answer to getting a clean install of Linux to connect to XP
shares (that are not passworded) on a peer to peer XP network?

I'm listening.....

jim

"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.06.12.01.59.38.870222@moria2.lan...
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:34:23 -0400, jim wrote:
>
>> I have been chatting with people about my frustration with getting simple
>> stuff to work "out-of-the-box" with Linux.
>
>
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Dan,

I'sure that you can waste less bandwidth and still say "I don't know the
answer either".

jim

jim wrote:
> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
> news:485084a4$0$4250$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> jim wrote:
>>> I have been chatting with people about my frustration with getting simple
>>> stuff to work "out-of-the-box" with Linux.
>>>
>>> Things like simply plugging into a network and being able to browse XP
>>> folders on a peer to peer XP network (that means no server and no
>>> authentication needed) that are not password protected. Still don't have
>>> an answer to that one....
>>>
>>> But, yesterday, I ran into a shining example of one reason that FOSS will
>>> never work for small business (which is MUST to be able to legitimately
>>> challenge Microsoft's monopoly).
>>>
>>> While I was testing some software in a Linux environment, I came across
>>> an area in which it would not work as advertised by the authors. I
>>> raised some polite concern (really...I was polite) about the problem in a
>>> user forum specific to this software, only to be told politely to rtfm.
>>>
>>> I re-rtfm. The problem persisted, so I raised my concerns again. Again
>>> I was told to rtfm. Again I re-rtfm and returned with the same questions
>>> that were unanswered by the manual.
>>>
>>> This time I was politely informed where I could reach the authors of the
>>> software. I went there and we went through the whole rtfm, re-rtfm loop
>>> another 2 or three times until they finally asked to see my data. I sent
>>> them my data files.
>>>
>>> In about an hour, they confirmed that there was a problem. Great! Now
>>> they'll jump right on it - because everyone wants their code to work like
>>> they say it will, right?
>>>
>>> Well, not really. I offered to help where I could (sacrificing a goat,
>>> providing beer or money) but was told that the only help needed was to
>>> fix the code. Unfortunately for me, I don't know C coding - so I am SOL.
>>>
>>> Small businesses (which are 90+% of all businesses) are called "small
>>> businesses" because they are small. This generally means no in-house
>>> programmers. So, small businesses are at the mercy of the coders that
>>> provide the software that they run on.
>>>
>>> In this instance, I am at the mercy of these coders.
>>>
>>> As nice as they are, this "I'll get to it when I can" attitude is just
>>> not acceptable to small businesses. They lose market share. They lose
>>> customers and they lose money when software doesn't work as advertised in
>>> tfm.
>>>
>>> This is why FOSS just doesn't work for the majority of businesses (which
>>> are small businesses).
>>>
>>> While I move on to look for proprietary sources to replace the broken
>>> open sourced software, I am again reminded that the FOSS movement still
>>> "just doesn't get it" where small business is concerned.
>>>
>>> If it doesn't affect your earning a living or some other important aspect
>>> of your life, FOSS may be just fine. But, if its important, its
>>> important enough to pay to have it done right and supported.
>>>
>>> jim
>>
>>
>> Why don't you preach to you're believers. After all you really don't want
>> the truth.
>> I have no problem with Linux cooperating with MS. But try to get MS to
>> cooperate with Linux that's another story.I really think you need to talk
>> to Dennis, Hadron, and Jeff Glatt.
>> I do have my own "small business" and have had for 30 years.
>> Go some where where someone wants to listen to you.
>> caver1
>
> I'm willing to listen and I have tried everything I have been told to try.
>
> Do YOU have the answer to getting a clean install of Linux to connect to XP
> shares (that are not passworded) on a peer to peer XP network?
>
> I'm listening.....
>
> jim
>
>



Why don't you ask MS why they won't cooperate with Linux. The only times
I had problems was with MS sharing with Linux not Linux sharing with MS.
I have always found it easier to share between Linux machines than
between MS machines. Connect a MS machine to a Linux network and Linux
lets MS see the network. Connect a Linux machine to a MS network and you
have to work to get the MS network to let the Linux machine in.
So is it Linux or MS?
Go preach to your own believers. :Q
caver1
caver1

In <G8_3k.3183$PZ6.2710@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, on Wed, 11 Jun 2008
20:34:23 -0400, jim, jim@home.net wrote:

> But, if its important, its important
> enough to pay to have it done right and supported.

So pay someone for support already!

jim wrote:
> I have been chatting with people about my frustration with getting simple
> stuff to work "out-of-the-box" with Linux.
>
> Things like simply plugging into a network and being able to browse XP
> folders on a peer to peer XP network (that means no server and no
> authentication needed) that are not password protected. Still don't have an
> answer to that one....
>
> But, yesterday, I ran into a shining example of one reason that FOSS will
> never work for small business (which is MUST to be able to legitimately
> challenge Microsoft's monopoly).
>
> While I was testing some software in a Linux environment, I came across an
> area in which it would not work as advertised by the authors. I raised some
> polite concern (really...I was polite) about the problem in a user forum
> specific to this software, only to be told politely to rtfm.
>
> I re-rtfm. The problem persisted, so I raised my concerns again. Again I
> was told to rtfm. Again I re-rtfm and returned with the same questions that
> were unanswered by the manual.
>
> This time I was politely informed where I could reach the authors of the
> software. I went there and we went through the whole rtfm, re-rtfm loop
> another 2 or three times until they finally asked to see my data. I sent
> them my data files.
>
> In about an hour, they confirmed that there was a problem. Great! Now
> they'll jump right on it - because everyone wants their code to work like
> they say it will, right?
>
> Well, not really. I offered to help where I could (sacrificing a goat,
> providing beer or money) but was told that the only help needed was to fix
> the code. Unfortunately for me, I don't know C coding - so I am SOL.
>
> Small businesses (which are 90+% of all businesses) are called "small
> businesses" because they are small. This generally means no in-house
> programmers. So, small businesses are at the mercy of the coders that
> provide the software that they run on.
>
> In this instance, I am at the mercy of these coders.
>
> As nice as they are, this "I'll get to it when I can" attitude is just not
> acceptable to small businesses. They lose market share. They lose
> customers and they lose money when software doesn't work as advertised in
> tfm.
>
> This is why FOSS just doesn't work for the majority of businesses (which are
> small businesses).
>
> While I move on to look for proprietary sources to replace the broken open
> sourced software, I am again reminded that the FOSS movement still "just
> doesn't get it" where small business is concerned.
>
> If it doesn't affect your earning a living or some other important aspect of
> your life, FOSS may be just fine. But, if its important, its important
> enough to pay to have it done right and supported.
>
> jim
>
>
Honestly, with the way you've been insulting Linux on the Linux
newsgroup, and with the amount of topics you have, just shut up, troll.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:10:16 -0400, jim wrote:

>>> I have been chatting with people about my frustration with getting simple
>>> stuff to work "out-of-the-box" with Linux.


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> I'sure that you can waste less bandwidth and still say "I don't know the
> answer either".



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Feverishly pounding upon a keyboard jim typed:

<snip>
> But, yesterday, I ran into a shining example of one reason that FOSS will
> never work for small business (which is MUST to be able to legitimately
> challenge Microsoft's monopoly).
<snip>


http://hitachi-id.com/linux-biz/

Buzz off poser!

--
sk8r-365

[jim@home.net]
> But, yesterday, I ran into a shining example of one reason that FOSS will
> never work for small business
(...)
> In about an hour, they confirmed that there was a problem
(...)
> Small businesses (which are 90+% of all businesses) are called "small
> businesses" because they are small. This generally means no in-house
> programmers. So, small businesses are at the mercy of the coders that
> provide the software that they run on. In this instance, I am at the
> mercy of these coders.

So goes the argument, that for proprietary software you have paid for
a product, you have someone to blame when things go wrong, and you
have a warrancy. In reality, the warrancy is usually worthless, and
in reality it's more important to fix the problems than to find
someone to blame. It's sometimes possible to find companies offering
paid support or warrancy on free software.

For proprietary software, you are _really_ at the mercy of the company
that made the code. This company may go bankrupt, and then the
software most likely won't be maintained anymore. They may not have
the resources to priority to fix your problem - or maybe you're
representing such an insignificant part of their market that they
don't bother to priority it at all. Have you tried to enter the
forums and offer money for someone to fix the bugs or help you with
your problems? In most cases, this is possible with FOSS, but
impossible with secret-source software.

FOSS developers are different, some do it just for the pride of it,
others have a commercial interesst, yet others may barely be
maintaining some "legacy" software that they don't care much about
anymore. In most cases, when pointing out a reproducable bug in some
open source software product, it is fixed quite fast and completely
for free. Of course, one cannot rely on this - but that applies for
proprietary software as well!

> As nice as they are, this "I'll get to it when I can" attitude is just not
> acceptable to small businesses.

"I'll get to it when I can" is better than "then you're out of
luck"...

--
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jim wrote:

> I'm willing to listen and I have tried everything I have been told to try.

Nonsense. You've been told /repeatedly/ how to achieve this, but evidently
you are too **** stupid to follow simple instructions.

> Do YOU have the answer to getting a clean install of Linux to connect to
> XP shares (that are not passworded) on a peer to peer XP network?

Yes - and you have been told how to do it several times.

> I'm listening.....

Evidently not!

C.

Feverishly pounding upon a keyboard jim typed:

<snip>
> If it doesn't affect your earning a living or some other important aspect of
> your life, FOSS may be just fine. But, if its important, its important
> enough to pay to have it done right and supported.
<snip>

Interested in reading the whole story? I don't mean you, Jim - you're
too close (source) minded. Go to http://www.cio.com/article/375916/

--
sk8r-365

sk8r-365 wrote:

> Feverishly pounding upon a keyboard jim typed:
>
> <snip>
>> If it doesn't affect your earning a living or some other important aspect
>> of
>> your life, FOSS may be just fine. But, if its important, its important
>> enough to pay to have it done right and supported.
> <snip>
>
>

Quote:

> > Moreover, open-source solutions are generating confidence. Close to > three in five respondents, 58 percent, strongly agree or agree with the > statement that Linux is reliable enough to depend upon for > mission-critical applications. Remarkably, that confidence is highest > among IT executives and managers: 62 percent say Linux is ready for > prime time. > >

>
> Interested in reading the whole story? I don't mean you, Jim - you're
> too close (source) minded. Go to http://www.cio.com/article/375916/

It's funny - we recently polled our client base, and discovered that over
90% are migrating away from proprietary software. Reasons cited include
the general state of "Vista" (unstable, slow, expensive, incompatible with
existing hardware / software) and the availability of truly viable FOSS
alternatives.

MS' products are simply unsuitable for serious business use. "Exchange
Server" is a poor joke, "Office" breaks compatibility with each new
iteration to try to force upgrades throughout an organisation, and the
general vulnerability of Windows in all its variants to all the forms of
malware amply demonstrate this.

The latest form of ransom malware is positively scary -

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1251

Just /another/ reason to dump Windoze...

C.

"caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
news:48508a2d$0$4262$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> jim wrote:
>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>> news:485084a4$0$4250$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> jim wrote:
>>>> I have been chatting with people about my frustration with getting
>>>> simple stuff to work "out-of-the-box" with Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Things like simply plugging into a network and being able to browse XP
>>>> folders on a peer to peer XP network (that means no server and no
>>>> authentication needed) that are not password protected. Still don't
>>>> have an answer to that one....
>>>>
>>>> But, yesterday, I ran into a shining example of one reason that FOSS
>>>> will never work for small business (which is MUST to be able to
>>>> legitimately challenge Microsoft's monopoly).
>>>>
>>>> While I was testing some software in a Linux environment, I came across
>>>> an area in which it would not work as advertised by the authors. I
>>>> raised some polite concern (really...I was polite) about the problem in
>>>> a user forum specific to this software, only to be told politely to
>>>> rtfm.
>>>>
>>>> I re-rtfm. The problem persisted, so I raised my concerns again.
>>>> Again I was told to rtfm. Again I re-rtfm and returned with the same
>>>> questions that were unanswered by the manual.
>>>>
>>>> This time I was politely informed where I could reach the authors of
>>>> the software. I went there and we went through the whole rtfm, re-rtfm
>>>> loop another 2 or three times until they finally asked to see my data.
>>>> I sent them my data files.
>>>>
>>>> In about an hour, they confirmed that there was a problem. Great! Now
>>>> they'll jump right on it - because everyone wants their code to work
>>>> like they say it will, right?
>>>>
>>>> Well, not really. I offered to help where I could (sacrificing a goat,
>>>> providing beer or money) but was told that the only help needed was to
>>>> fix the code. Unfortunately for me, I don't know C coding - so I am
>>>> SOL.
>>>>
>>>> Small businesses (which are 90+% of all businesses) are called "small
>>>> businesses" because they are small. This generally means no in-house
>>>> programmers. So, small businesses are at the mercy of the coders that
>>>> provide the software that they run on.
>>>>
>>>> In this instance, I am at the mercy of these coders.
>>>>
>>>> As nice as they are, this "I'll get to it when I can" attitude is just
>>>> not acceptable to small businesses. They lose market share. They lose
>>>> customers and they lose money when software doesn't work as advertised
>>>> in tfm.
>>>>
>>>> This is why FOSS just doesn't work for the majority of businesses
>>>> (which are small businesses).
>>>>
>>>> While I move on to look for proprietary sources to replace the broken
>>>> open sourced software, I am again reminded that the FOSS movement still
>>>> "just doesn't get it" where small business is concerned.
>>>>
>>>> If it doesn't affect your earning a living or some other important
>>>> aspect of your life, FOSS may be just fine. But, if its important, its
>>>> important enough to pay to have it done right and supported.
>>>>
>>>> jim
>>>
>>>
>>> Why don't you preach to you're believers. After all you really don't
>>> want the truth.
>>> I have no problem with Linux cooperating with MS. But try to get MS to
>>> cooperate with Linux that's another story.I really think you need to
>>> talk to Dennis, Hadron, and Jeff Glatt.
>>> I do have my own "small business" and have had for 30 years.
>>> Go some where where someone wants to listen to you.
>>> caver1
>>
>> I'm willing to listen and I have tried everything I have been told to
>> try.
>>
>> Do YOU have the answer to getting a clean install of Linux to connect to
>> XP shares (that are not passworded) on a peer to peer XP network?
>>
>> I'm listening.....
>>
>> jim
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> Why don't you ask MS why they won't cooperate with Linux. The only times I
> had problems was with MS sharing with Linux not Linux sharing with MS.
> I have always found it easier to share between Linux machines than between
> MS machines. Connect a MS machine to a Linux network and Linux lets MS see
> the network. Connect a Linux machine to a MS network and you have to work
> to get the MS network to let the Linux machine in.
> So is it Linux or MS?
> Go preach to your own believers. :Q
> caver1
> caver1

You could have just said that you didn't know.

jim