On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:39:12 +0200, Fred Weigel wrote:

> In comp.os.linux jim <jim@home.net> wrote:
>> I loaded PCLinuxOS 2007, opened Konquerer, Go > Network Folders > Local
>> Network. And, I got....
>>
>> "The Lisa daemon does not appear to be running. In order to use the
>> LAN Browser the Lisa daemon must be installed and activated by the
>> system administrator."
>>
>> Still can't browse XP shared folders.
>>
>> WTF? Do Linux distro people REALLY believe that a Linux user will
>> never have to browse folders on a Windows network? And, if they know
>> that their users will probably have to do so, why doesn't this #@%#
>> work out of the box?
>>
>> jim
>>
>>
>>
> Jim
>
> Preach on... yes, you are correct; but I find the other way around
> annoying too -- Windows XP can't use NIS and NFS "out of the box".
> Worse, compatibility is not built in at all.
>
> This, of course, forces me to use SAMBA, but I use it from a server
> perspective, not a client. Still, the SMB (or CIFS, what the **** is it
> now?) client browsing is annoying. But the lack of NFS v *anything*
> (2,3,4) support in XP is UTTERLY INEXCUSABLE.
>
> After all, it is a standard supported by every other major OS: HP, IBM,
> SUN, Linux.
>
> XP doesn't even seem to support automounter maps! Either from NIS or
> LDAP! I am not a Windows guy; how am I to incorporate XP into the
> network?
>
> But, Linux (most varieties) browsing XP SMB shares isn't pretty (it can
> be done, but it seems painful).

Bull****!

Install samba from the installer, make sure the traffic is passing
through the firewall, configure the service in the GUI telling it the
domain/workgroup you belong to. Open konjurer and click on "Other
Networks".

The EXACT number of steps it requires in XP past SP2.

Stop making up ****.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:16:54 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:

> Install samba from the installer, make sure the traffic is passing
> through the firewall, configure the service in the GUI telling it the
> domain/workgroup you belong to. Open konjurer and click on "Other
> Networks".

Too many steps. Samba does *not* have to be configured.

Just clicky on the "Network" icon in nautilus, aka "File Browser", in a
GNOME desktop.

In comp.os.linux Dave Uhring <daveuhring******.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:16:54 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>
>> Install samba from the installer, make sure the traffic is passing
>> through the firewall, configure the service in the GUI telling it the
>> domain/workgroup you belong to. Open konjurer and click on "Other
>> Networks".
>
> Too many steps. Samba does *not* have to be configured.
>
> Just clicky on the "Network" icon in nautilus, aka "File Browser", in a
> GNOME desktop.
>

Ok, let's get down to brassy little tacks... Fedora 8, IBM T43 laptop,
home network, Windows XP and Windows 98SE.

I have just installed it, and...

NOTHING when clicking that marvelous "Network" icon. Oh, you say, you
have to configure the firewall -- That would be "System"
"Administration" "Firewall". Now, you COULD disable the firewall, or try
to pick from (get this, its a CUSTOMIZED firewall configuration!):

Trusted Services:
DNS
FTP
IMAP over SSL
IPsec
Mail (SMTP)
Multicast DNS
NFS4
Network Printing (IPP)
OpenVPN
POP-3 over SSL
RADIUS
SSH
Samba
Secure WWW (HTTPS)
WWW (HTTP)

So, now the user has to pick.

There is no "Help" available here that is useful in the slightest. Yes
*I* know what to do. Does the original poster? No, he howls. Here. My
advice? Suck it up, it's NOWHERE close to perfect -- not even good!
Using the term "customize" wrt to firewall configuration should
(rightly) scare the piss out of end users.

It should be task based -- if nothing shows up in the browse screen
(and, nothing does), there should be some advice there. Maybe even a
link to the the firewall tool. And that should have enough information
to open up for Samba browsing...

Don't shoot the messenger, here.

My comment was that Windows hassles are EVEN WORSE, from the other
direction. At least I didn't actually PAY for Fedora 8, and I know what
I am doing. NIS/NFS/AUTOMOUNT on XP? Simply missing.

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:21:12 +0200, Fred Weigel wrote:
> In comp.os.linux Dave Uhring <daveuhring******.com> wrote:

>> Too many steps. Samba does *not* have to be configured.
>>
>> Just clicky on the "Network" icon in nautilus, aka "File Browser", in a
>> GNOME desktop.
>>
>
> Ok, let's get down to brassy little tacks... Fedora 8, IBM T43 laptop,
> home network, Windows XP and Windows 98SE.
>
> I have just installed it, and...
>
> NOTHING when clicking that marvelous "Network" icon. Oh, you say, you
> have to configure the firewall -- That would be "System"
> "Administration" "Firewall". Now, you COULD disable the firewall, or try
> to pick from (get this, its a CUSTOMIZED firewall configuration!):

You still do not need to configure Samba. And who, at home, is silly
enough to be running a firewall inside their own LAN? Well, the Windoes
lusers probably do; they don't know enough to turn the thing off let alone
kill the **** nag window.

Slackware and Debian Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, OpenSolaris - none have
firewalls erected to complicate my life. If I can't trust myself and my
family I may as well toss the entire lot.

The firewall is at the Internet side of the OpenBSD firewall.

....snip firewall related stuff...

> My comment was that Windows hassles are EVEN WORSE, from the other
> direction. At least I didn't actually PAY for Fedora 8, and I know what
> I am doing. NIS/NFS/AUTOMOUNT on XP? Simply missing.

On that I agree.

Ivan Marsh wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:39:12 +0200, Fred Weigel wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux jim <jim@home.net> wrote:
>>> I loaded PCLinuxOS 2007, opened Konquerer, Go > Network Folders > Local
>>> Network. And, I got....
>>>
>>> "The Lisa daemon does not appear to be running. In order to use the
>>> LAN Browser the Lisa daemon must be installed and activated by the
>>> system administrator."
>>>
>>> Still can't browse XP shared folders.
>>>
>>> WTF? Do Linux distro people REALLY believe that a Linux user will
>>> never have to browse folders on a Windows network? And, if they know
>>> that their users will probably have to do so, why doesn't this #@%#
>>> work out of the box?
>>>
>>> jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Preach on... yes, you are correct; but I find the other way around
>> annoying too -- Windows XP can't use NIS and NFS "out of the box".
>> Worse, compatibility is not built in at all.
>>
>> This, of course, forces me to use SAMBA, but I use it from a server
>> perspective, not a client. Still, the SMB (or CIFS, what the **** is it
>> now?) client browsing is annoying. But the lack of NFS v *anything*
>> (2,3,4) support in XP is UTTERLY INEXCUSABLE.
>>
>> After all, it is a standard supported by every other major OS: HP, IBM,
>> SUN, Linux.
>>
>> XP doesn't even seem to support automounter maps! Either from NIS or
>> LDAP! I am not a Windows guy; how am I to incorporate XP into the
>> network?
>>
>> But, Linux (most varieties) browsing XP SMB shares isn't pretty (it can
>> be done, but it seems painful).
>
> Bull****!
>
> Install samba from the installer, make sure the traffic is passing
> through the firewall, configure the service in the GUI telling it the
> domain/workgroup you belong to. Open konjurer and click on "Other
> Networks".
>
> The EXACT number of steps it requires in XP past SP2.
>
> Stop making up ****.

Samba network browsing works OUT OF THE BOX on openSUSE 10.3.

/varghese