Dammit! I want so badly to get the hell away from Windows, that I am
spending ALL of my spare time trying out different Linux distros.

I tried xubuntu for a day or so - bad graphics.

I tried backtrack - not all that it's cracked up to be.

I am now trying Ubuntu 8.04 and I'll just be ****ed if the simple stuff
isn't still hard in Linux!!

This is what I would like.... With my XP Pro laptop, connecting to a
wireless network and browsing shared folders was as easy as clicking
"Connect to network" slecting the wireless network and clicking "Connect".
If there was a required key or password, Windows asked for it. You supply
the info and Windows simply connects to the network.

You can then open Windows Explorer and browse any shared folders that are
not password protected.

This is BASIC functionality that ALL Windows users NEED. What the hell is
this samba configuration crap?

I must be missing something here.

PLEASE tell me I am missing something here and that connecting to a network
and browsing shared folders really IS just as easy in Linux as in Windows.

jim

On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:54:05 -0400, jim wrote:

> I am now trying Ubuntu 8.04 and I'll just be ****ed if the simple stuff
> isn't still hard in Linux!!

**** off, troll.


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"jim" <jim@home.net> writes:

>Dammit! I want so badly to get the hell away from Windows, that I am
>spending ALL of my spare time trying out different Linux distros.

And you are going about it all wrong. Just pick something and use it. (Of
course you are probably a troll anyway, in which case it does not matter)


>I tried xubuntu for a day or so - bad graphics.

Since all distros use the same display-- X -- this is the same everywhere,
unless you happened not to like the particular pictures it displays. This
is like getting a new car because paper seat matts the garage put down are
the wrong colour.


>I tried backtrack - not all that it's cracked up to be.

>I am now trying Ubuntu 8.04 and I'll just be ****ed if the simple stuff
>isn't still hard in Linux!!

What simple stuff.


>This is what I would like.... With my XP Pro laptop, connecting to a
>wireless network and browsing shared folders was as easy as clicking
>"Connect to network" slecting the wireless network and clicking "Connect".
>If there was a required key or password, Windows asked for it. You supply
>the info and Windows simply connects to the network.

>You can then open Windows Explorer and browse any shared folders that are
>not password protected.

>This is BASIC functionality that ALL Windows users NEED. What the hell is
>this samba configuration crap?

It is an attempt to give you access to the proprietary Windows crap.



>I must be missing something here.

>PLEASE tell me I am missing something here and that connecting to a network
>and browsing shared folders really IS just as easy in Linux as in Windows.

Lets see, you tell us that you want to use Linux and then complain that it
does not deal with Windows as well as windows deals with windows. Hmm.

Why not complain about your windows machine that it does not connect to the
Linux NFS system easily.

"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
news:Pn03k.336$sg6.11@edtnps91...
> "jim" <jim@home.net> writes:
>
>>Dammit! I want so badly to get the hell away from Windows, that I am
>>spending ALL of my spare time trying out different Linux distros.
>
> And you are going about it all wrong. Just pick something and use it. (Of
> course you are probably a troll anyway, in which case it does not matter)

Why are you people fo ****ing paranoid?

Is it because YOU are so abusive to people that come here with questions?

>
>
>>I tried xubuntu for a day or so - bad graphics.
>
> Since all distros use the same display-- X -- this is the same everywhere,
> unless you happened not to like the particular pictures it displays. This
> is like getting a new car because paper seat matts the garage put down are
> the wrong colour.

The graphics just looked crappy. Ubuntu looks fine.

>
>
>>I tried backtrack - not all that it's cracked up to be.
>
>>I am now trying Ubuntu 8.04 and I'll just be ****ed if the simple stuff
>>isn't still hard in Linux!!
>
> What simple stuff.

Keep reading.....

>
>
>>This is what I would like.... With my XP Pro laptop, connecting to a
>>wireless network and browsing shared folders was as easy as clicking
>>"Connect to network" slecting the wireless network and clicking "Connect".
>>If there was a required key or password, Windows asked for it. You supply
>>the info and Windows simply connects to the network.
>
>>You can then open Windows Explorer and browse any shared folders that are
>>not password protected.
>
>>This is BASIC functionality that ALL Windows users NEED. What the hell is
>>this samba configuration crap?
>
> It is an attempt to give you access to the proprietary Windows crap.

Why doesn't it "just work"?

>
>>I must be missing something here.
>
>>PLEASE tell me I am missing something here and that connecting to a
>>network
>>and browsing shared folders really IS just as easy in Linux as in Windows.
>
> Lets see, you tell us that you want to use Linux and then complain that it
> does not deal with Windows as well as windows deals with windows. Hmm.

If you want people to use Linux, it HAS to be able to go and do what they
used to do in Windows.

This is just another stumbling block to adoption by Windows users.

> Why not complain about your windows machine that it does not connect to
> the
> Linux NFS system easily.

They don't have to play nice - they already own the desktop. You'll rarely
see a monopoly spending time or money to undo it's chokehold on a market.

jim

"jim" <jim@home.net> writes:


>"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>news:Pn03k.336$sg6.11@edtnps91...
>> "jim" <jim@home.net> writes:
>>
>>>Dammit! I want so badly to get the hell away from Windows, that I am
>>>spending ALL of my spare time trying out different Linux distros.
>>
>> And you are going about it all wrong. Just pick something and use it. (Of
>> course you are probably a troll anyway, in which case it does not matter)

>Why are you people fo ****ing paranoid?

>Is it because YOU are so abusive to people that come here with questions?

You did not come here with questions. You came here to qvetch.
Despite that I gave you an answer.


>>
>>
>>>I tried xubuntu for a day or so - bad graphics.
>>
>> Since all distros use the same display-- X -- this is the same everywhere,
>> unless you happened not to like the particular pictures it displays. This
>> is like getting a new car because paper seat matts the garage put down are
>> the wrong colour.

>The graphics just looked crappy. Ubuntu looks fine.

What graphics looks crappy? This is trying to ask a question? As I said,
this is like screaming because the car shop uses the wrong colours on their
seat mat protectors.



>>
>>
>>>I tried backtrack - not all that it's cracked up to be.
>>
>>>I am now trying Ubuntu 8.04 and I'll just be ****ed if the simple stuff
>>>isn't still hard in Linux!!
>>
>> What simple stuff.

>Keep reading.....

>>
>>
>>>This is what I would like.... With my XP Pro laptop, connecting to a
>>>wireless network and browsing shared folders was as easy as clicking
>>>"Connect to network" slecting the wireless network and clicking "Connect".
>>>If there was a required key or password, Windows asked for it. You supply
>>>the info and Windows simply connects to the network.
>>
>>>You can then open Windows Explorer and browse any shared folders that are
>>>not password protected.
>>
>>>This is BASIC functionality that ALL Windows users NEED. What the hell is
>>>this samba configuration crap?
>>
>> It is an attempt to give you access to the proprietary Windows crap.

>Why doesn't it "just work"?

Why should it? Windows is a proprietary operating system. Microsoft hides
their stuff under huge layers of both laws ( trade secrecy) and active
discouragement. Why should it "just work"? Tell Microsoft to open their
systems and it will just work.


>>
>>>I must be missing something here.
>>
>>>PLEASE tell me I am missing something here and that connecting to a
>>>network
>>>and browsing shared folders really IS just as easy in Linux as in Windows.
>>
>> Lets see, you tell us that you want to use Linux and then complain that it
>> does not deal with Windows as well as windows deals with windows. Hmm.

>If you want people to use Linux, it HAS to be able to go and do what they
>used to do in Windows.

It does? Why does it HAVE to do that? I thought you used your computer for
work, not for browsing windoes folders>



>This is just another stumbling block to adoption by Windows users.

It is?


>> Why not complain about your windows machine that it does not connect to
>> the
>> Linux NFS system easily.

>They don't have to play nice - they already own the desktop. You'll rarely
>see a monopoly spending time or money to undo it's chokehold on a market.

So, go an use Windows. It seems to do everything you want it to do.
I certainly do not need Windows, nor do I need the ability to browse
folders on another windows computer. But if you do you can set up samba to
allow you to do so. But you apparently do not want to do that.

On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:54:05 -0400, jim wrote:

> Dammit! I want so badly to get the hell away from Windows, that I am
> spending ALL of my spare time trying out different Linux distros.
>
> I tried xubuntu for a day or so - bad graphics.
>
> I tried backtrack - not all that it's cracked up to be.
>
> I am now trying Ubuntu 8.04 and I'll just be ****ed if the simple stuff
> isn't still hard in Linux!!
>
> This is what I would like.... With my XP Pro laptop, connecting to a
> wireless network and browsing shared folders was as easy as clicking
> "Connect to network" slecting the wireless network and clicking
> "Connect". If there was a required key or password, Windows asked for
> it. You supply the info and Windows simply connects to the network.
>
> You can then open Windows Explorer and browse any shared folders that
> are not password protected.
>
> This is BASIC functionality that ALL Windows users NEED. What the hell
> is this samba configuration crap?
>
> I must be missing something here.
>
> PLEASE tell me I am missing something here and that connecting to a
> network and browsing shared folders really IS just as easy in Linux as
> in Windows.
>
> jim

1) Linux is NOT MS.
2) have you tried 'linneighborhood' - that used to do what you asked
though I have not tried for several years.

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in news:I9%2k.1644$s77.213@bignews3.bellsouth.net:

> I am now trying Ubuntu 8.04 and I'll just be ****ed if the simple stuff
> isn't still hard in Linux!!

It's not necessarily hard. It's just different. It's "hard" becuase we have been used to doing things a
certain way for years, and learning a new way to do it seems daunting.

The easy network accessibility you mention in Windows is one of it's huge security holes.

I finally sat down today, and spent it getting Ubuntu up and running, with Xnews working. Xnews is
important enough to me that I won't run anything it won't run on. I had it running in Wine before, but
buggy as hell. Well, it just took some searching and experimentation and I have it running (almost)
perfectly. There's just one graphical glitch left which is just a minor bother.

Getting around the Linux file system is a major pain for a long time Windows user to learn, and being
denied the ability to do what I wish with my files is annoying. All that took was getting used to opening up a
terminal and typing 'sudo nautilus'. I grew up on CP/M, so I can learn this stuff. Windows makes you lazy.

I bet if you take the time, you'll find using Ubuntu just as easy, if not more so.

jim wrote:

> If you want people to use Linux, it HAS to be able to go and do what they
> used to do in Windows.

Linux does. It invariably does things /properly/ rather than "like
Windows". Networking in Linux is /trivially/ simple compared to Windoze
networking. Perhaps you need to read the manuals!

C.

"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:6b3m4hF38qin5U1@mid.individual.net...
> On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:54:05 -0400, jim wrote:
>
>> Dammit! I want so badly to get the hell away from Windows, that I am
>> spending ALL of my spare time trying out different Linux distros.
>>
>> I tried xubuntu for a day or so - bad graphics.
>>
>> I tried backtrack - not all that it's cracked up to be.
>>
>> I am now trying Ubuntu 8.04 and I'll just be ****ed if the simple stuff
>> isn't still hard in Linux!!
>>
>> This is what I would like.... With my XP Pro laptop, connecting to a
>> wireless network and browsing shared folders was as easy as clicking
>> "Connect to network" slecting the wireless network and clicking
>> "Connect". If there was a required key or password, Windows asked for
>> it. You supply the info and Windows simply connects to the network.
>>
>> You can then open Windows Explorer and browse any shared folders that
>> are not password protected.
>>
>> This is BASIC functionality that ALL Windows users NEED. What the hell
>> is this samba configuration crap?
>>
>> I must be missing something here.
>>
>> PLEASE tell me I am missing something here and that connecting to a
>> network and browsing shared folders really IS just as easy in Linux as
>> in Windows.
>>
>> jim
>
> 1) Linux is NOT MS.
> 2) have you tried 'linneighborhood' - that used to do what you asked
> though I have not tried for several years.

No. I saw it, but development stopped several years ago (2002 I think).

jim

"Christopher Hunter" <chrisehunter@NOSPAMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:c143k.157580$cZ3.144071@newsfe10.ams2...
> jim wrote:
>
>> If you want people to use Linux, it HAS to be able to go and do what they
>> used to do in Windows.
>
> Linux does. It invariably does things /properly/ rather than "like
> Windows".

That's right! Let's get all self-righteous and pissy instead of enabling
new linux users to get the work done that they need to.

> Networking in Linux is /trivially/ simple compared to Windoze
> networking.

You are soooooo right! Hell it'd take 2, maybe 3, clicks to see the shares
on any Windows system. Here, it evidentally dosen't work out of the box at
all.

Yep. Having to put together your OS is a hell of an improvement to just
getting to work!

> Perhaps you need to read the manuals!

A link to solve these issues would be nice -- assuming you actually know
what you're talking about.

jim

"elaich" <x@y.z> wrote in message news:6b3mrbF3a7snkU1@mid.individual.net...
> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in
> news:I9%2k.1644$s77.213@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
>
>> I am now trying Ubuntu 8.04 and I'll just be ****ed if the simple stuff
>> isn't still hard in Linux!!
>
> It's not necessarily hard. It's just different. It's "hard" becuase we
> have been used to doing things a
> certain way for years, and learning a new way to do it seems daunting.

What seems daunting is having to do 10 times the work and still not get the
results you are after. What's daunting is having to figure out just how
your OS works and put the **** thing together (with missing parts scattered
about the internet and no "parts list" to tell you where they are).

If people had to learn how their fuel injected cars and the associated
computerized systems work, had to go on some sick scavenger hunt for parts
that are missing from the car (let's say the air conditioner's condenser)
there'd be about as many drivers as there are linux users.

> The easy network accessibility you mention in Windows is one of it's huge
> security holes.

I hear this a lot. But, I have NEVER gotten a virus. NEVER been hacked.
NEVER had to worry abotu security because the free solutions like Zone Alarm
ARE easy to install and configure. They come with everything. They just
work.

> I finally sat down today, and spent it getting Ubuntu up and running, with
> Xnews working. Xnews is
> important enough to me that I won't run anything it won't run on. I had it
> running in Wine before, but
> buggy as hell. Well, it just took some searching and experimentation and I
> have it running (almost)
> perfectly. There's just one graphical glitch left which is just a minor
> bother.

Spent the day to get an OS up and running? Wow. XP takes just over an hour
(with updates - but without antivirus, and other apps you'll need).

> Getting around the Linux file system is a major pain for a long time
> Windows user to learn, and being
> denied the ability to do what I wish with my files is annoying. All that
> took was getting used to opening up a
> terminal and typing 'sudo nautilus'. I grew up on CP/M, so I can learn
> this stuff. Windows makes you lazy.

Lazy? Some would say that riding in a car instead of biking 10 miles to
work is lazy. I'd call it efficient.

Windows let's people (of all skill levels) just get work done. I've been
fighting with this Linux **** for a week and still haven't seen a single XP
PC through any of the distros I have tried.

> I bet if you take the time, you'll find using Ubuntu just as easy, if not
> more so.

Time is one thing I do not have to waste.

It works out of the box or it doesn't.

And I'm only one of BILLIONS of people that feel that way.

If Linux slows businesses down as much as it has slowed me down, there's no
way in hell linux will ever take the desktop.

jim

jim wrote:

> That's right! Let's get all self-righteous and pissy instead of enabling
> new linux users to get the work done that they need to.

No question of self-righteousness - Windows /deliberately/ makes networking
obscure in an effort to prevent other OSs connecting to it. MS want you to
be locked-in to their rubbish forever.

>> Networking in Linux is /trivially/ simple compared to Windoze
>> networking.
>
> You are soooooo right! Hell it'd take 2, maybe 3, clicks to see the
> shares on any Windows system.

It takes /1/ /click/ to see other machines on /this/ network, with /proper/
networking enabled straight "out of the box".

> Here, it evidentally dosen't work out of the box at all.

You just have to /tell/ your machine what the others are called, and give
passwords to them. It's trivially simple, and no more difficult than if
you were setting up a Windoze network with some measure of "security"
(there's actually no such thing as "Windows security" - it's very easily
breached).

> Yep. Having to put together your OS is a hell of an improvement to just
> getting to work!
>
>> Perhaps you need to read the manuals!
>
> A link to solve these issues would be nice

Fair enough:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605

Google might help you too!

C.

jim wrote:

> If Linux slows businesses down as much as it has slowed me down, there's
> no way in hell linux will ever take the desktop.

If you can't be bothered to /read/ /the/ /manuals/ then you can't blame
Linux for /your/ inadequacies!

Windows is entirely unusable for business - it /might/ be nice for gamers
and other kiddies, but if you're truly serious about getting work done,
Linux is your only viable option. Innumerable big businesses have seen
this - even the biggest global Banks are using Linux!

Take a step back. Read the **** manuals. /Forget/ /everything/
you "learnt" for Windows, and start again. Remember - there's a *right*
*way* and the Windows way for everything.

C.

So anyway, it was like, 08:54 CEST Jun 09 2008, you know? Oh, and, yeah,
jim was all like, "Dude,

> What seems daunting is having to do 10 times the work and still not
> get the results you are after.

When the results you are after boils down to "working exactly like
microsoft windows and integrating seamlessly with microsoft windows
systems", the easiest way to achieve them is generally to run
microsoft windows.

hth, hand.

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On 2008-06-09 02:54, jim wrote:

>
> This is BASIC functionality that ALL Windows users NEED. What the hell is
> this samba configuration crap?
>
> I must be missing something here.
>
> PLEASE tell me I am missing something here and that connecting to a network
> and browsing shared folders really IS just as easy in Linux as in Windows.
>
> jim
>
>

Well, if you will do that, you should not try the windows way but the unix way.
Just enable auto.net in /etc/auto.master , then you access
/net/<hostname_OR_IP_of_remote_host/
(it will be mounted under your feets when you step on it)
And the files are there just as local for ya if they are exported.
When you leave the place, it will be unmounted after about 10 minutes.

After working with Unix more then 30 years, I have yet not found a way
to do something that simple on windows.

unix/linux <-> windows has some issues, not only different protocols,
authentication systems, but also different level,
since unix/linux is multiuser systems with support for timezones,
so files can be shared over continents without messing up the
mod/access times order, and all files has an owner.

Since unix was first, it's really windows that can't be joined in the
network even if all protocols are open and free to implement, so yet
again, solve the problem on the unix side, using non open Microsoft protocols
and then blame unix/linux for all problems.

If you don't like samba, try to get your winbox to use NFS and auto.net
, and you will find that samba is not that bad after all.

/bb