For example....

I downloaded BackTrack 3 and ran the Live CD just fine. It detects my USB
wireless card and everything.

So, I wanted to make a more permanent installation of BackTrack 3 to run
when I wanted and to use it to learn more about Linux in general.

I followed directions on creating the vmware virtual machine manually (to
override the SCSI disk in favor of IDE) and I launched the new VM using the
ISO as my CD drive and allowing the VM to boot into the live BackTrack 3 CD.

Once in, I created 2 partitions (hda1 and hda2) to use for my BackTrack 3
install and swap files, and I ran mkfs.ext3, mkswap, mkdir and mount to
create my environment and prepare for install.

I then ran the BackTrack 3 install (which does state that it has not been
tested - although the current version came out in December of 2007).

But, when I rebooted, instead of simply launching the way the Live CD did, I
now get a red box asking me what OS to load (only BackTrack is shown) and I
have to log in with root/toor and launch the kde graphical desktop manually.

None of that bothers me.

But, what does bother me is that the vmware installed version will not see
my USB wireless device when the live cd version sees it just fine. WTF?

I've spent 7 hours with this distro - trying to get it into a VM so that I
could actually save things to the drive and use it as a desktop and I'm no
closer now than I was 7 hours ago.

THIS is why Windows has such a great following. Is Windows insecure? Yes.
Is Windows bloated and slow (esp. Vista)? Yes. But, can you get things to
work in Windows faster and easier than in Linux? HELL YES!!

I want to like Linux. I really do. But, I find it a lot like driving a
car. If I had to work on my car as much as I have had to work on Linux
distros that I have tried and I got as much out of it as I have gotten out
of them I'd walk and get there faster.

jim

On Sat, 31 May 2008 22:40:23 -0400, jim wrote:

> For example....

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jim wrote:

> For example....
>
> I downloaded BackTrack 3 and ran the Live CD just fine. It detects my USB
> wireless card and everything.
>
> So, I wanted to make a more permanent installation of BackTrack 3 to run
> when I wanted and to use it to learn more about Linux in general.
>
> I followed directions on creating the vmware virtual machine manually (to
> override the SCSI disk in favor of IDE) and I launched the new VM using
> the ISO as my CD drive and allowing the VM to boot into the live BackTrack
> 3 CD.
>
> Once in, I created 2 partitions (hda1 and hda2) to use for my BackTrack 3
> install and swap files, and I ran mkfs.ext3, mkswap, mkdir and mount to
> create my environment and prepare for install.
>
> I then ran the BackTrack 3 install (which does state that it has not been
> tested - although the current version came out in December of 2007).
>
> But, when I rebooted, instead of simply launching the way the Live CD did,
> I now get a red box asking me what OS to load (only BackTrack is shown)
> and I have to log in with root/toor and launch the kde graphical desktop
> manually.
>
> None of that bothers me.
>
> But, what does bother me is that the vmware installed version will not see
> my USB wireless device when the live cd version sees it just fine. WTF?
>
Probably a limitation of the vmware usb ports.

> I've spent 7 hours with this distro - trying to get it into a VM so that I
> could actually save things to the drive and use it as a desktop and I'm no
> closer now than I was 7 hours ago.
>
VMs are 2nd choice when you have to access hardware.

> THIS is why Windows has such a great following. Is Windows insecure?

Offtopic here.
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jim wrote:
> I want to like Linux. I really do. But, I find it a lot like driving a
> car. If I had to work on my car as much as I have had to work on Linux
> distros that I have tried and I got as much out of it as I have gotten out
> of them I'd walk and get there faster.

Funny you should mention a car analogy:

If Windows were a car:

1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they painted new lines on the road, you would have to buy
a new car.
3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You
would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the
windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you
could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.
4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause
your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would
have to reinstall the engine.
5. Only one person at a time could use the car unless you bought
"CarNT," but then you would have to buy more seats.
6. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable,
five times as fast and twice as easy to drive -- but it would only run
on five percent of the roads.
7. The oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would all be
replaced by a single "general protect ion fault" warning light.
8. The airbag system would ask, "Are you sure?" before deploying.
9. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out
and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door
handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the antenna.
10. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of
Rand McNally Road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither
need nor want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately
cause the car's performance to diminish by 50 percent or more. Moreover,
GM would become a target for investigation by the Justice Department.
11. Every time GM introducd a new car, car buyers would have to learn to
drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the
same manner as the old car.
12. You'd have to press the "start" button to turn the engine off.

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"johnny bobby bee" <useraddshine-no_spam_eh******.ca> wrote in message
news:jIs0k.261$Gn.213@edtnps92...
> jim wrote:
>> I want to like Linux. I really do. But, I find it a lot like driving a
>> car. If I had to work on my car as much as I have had to work on Linux
>> distros that I have tried and I got as much out of it as I have gotten
>> out of them I'd walk and get there faster.
>
> Funny you should mention a car analogy:
>
> If Windows were a car:
>
> 1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.
> 2. Every time they painted new lines on the road, you would have to buy a
> new car.
> 3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would
> have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut
> off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue.
> For some reason you would simply accept this.
> 4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your
> car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to
> reinstall the engine.
> 5. Only one person at a time could use the car unless you bought "CarNT,"
> but then you would have to buy more seats.
> 6. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable,
> five times as fast and twice as easy to drive -- but it would only run on
> five percent of the roads.
> 7. The oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would all be
> replaced by a single "general protect ion fault" warning light.
> 8. The airbag system would ask, "Are you sure?" before deploying.
> 9. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and
> refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle,
> turned the key and grabbed hold of the antenna.
> 10. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand
> McNally Road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither need nor
> want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the
> car's performance to diminish by 50 percent or more. Moreover, GM would
> become a target for investigation by the Justice Department.
> 11. Every time GM introducd a new car, car buyers would have to learn to
> drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the
> same manner as the old car.
> 12. You'd have to press the "start" button to turn the engine off.

I didn't come here to flame Linux, and I do not have the luxury of so much
extra time that I would dare waste it in such pursuits.

But, you should realize that the only reason that the LinuxMobile doesn't
seem to suffer from these same problems is that ****ed few people can figure
out how to get it out of the garage.

jim

jim wrote:
> "johnny bobby bee" <useraddshine-no_spam_eh******.ca> wrote in message
> news:jIs0k.261$Gn.213@edtnps92...
>> jim wrote:
>>> I want to like Linux. I really do. But, I find it a lot like driving a
>>> car. If I had to work on my car as much as I have had to work on Linux
>>> distros that I have tried and I got as much out of it as I have gotten
>>> out of them I'd walk and get there faster.
>> Funny you should mention a car analogy:
>>
>> If Windows were a car:
>>
>> 1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.
>> 2. Every time they painted new lines on the road, you would have to buy a
>> new car.
>> 3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would
>> have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut
>> off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue.
>> For some reason you would simply accept this.
>> 4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your
>> car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to
>> reinstall the engine.
>> 5. Only one person at a time could use the car unless you bought "CarNT,"
>> but then you would have to buy more seats.
>> 6. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable,
>> five times as fast and twice as easy to drive -- but it would only run on
>> five percent of the roads.
>> 7. The oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would all be
>> replaced by a single "general protect ion fault" warning light.
>> 8. The airbag system would ask, "Are you sure?" before deploying.
>> 9. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and
>> refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle,
>> turned the key and grabbed hold of the antenna.
>> 10. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand
>> McNally Road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither need nor
>> want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the
>> car's performance to diminish by 50 percent or more. Moreover, GM would
>> become a target for investigation by the Justice Department.
>> 11. Every time GM introducd a new car, car buyers would have to learn to
>> drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the
>> same manner as the old car.
>> 12. You'd have to press the "start" button to turn the engine off.
>
> I didn't come here to flame Linux, and I do not have the luxury of so much
> extra time that I would dare waste it in such pursuits.
>
> But, you should realize that the only reason that the LinuxMobile doesn't
> seem to suffer from these same problems is that ****ed few people can figure
> out how to get it out of the garage.
>
> jim
>
>
i dare you to install windows in a VM running on windows
with a BartPE disk !

"goarilla <"kevin<punt>paulus|"@|skynet" <"punt> wrote in message
news:48427bc9$0$2954$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...


> i dare you to install windows in a VM running on windows
> with a BartPE disk !

Isn't that just a case of..
booting the disk in the VM..
formatting the C: drive..
make it bootable..
copy the contents of the i386 directory to the disk..
reboot the VM from the C drive..
running setup from the i386 directory you copied.

dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "goarilla <"kevin<punt>paulus|"@|skynet" <"punt> wrote in message
> news:48427bc9$0$2954$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>
>
>> i dare you to install windows in a VM running on windows
>> with a BartPE disk !
>
> Isn't that just a case of..
> booting the disk in the VM..
> formatting the C: drive..
> make it bootable..
> copy the contents of the i386 directory to the disk..
> reboot the VM from the C drive..
> running setup from the i386 directory you copied.
>
>
>
well ... try it
then boot your windows and plugin a USB to see if it works !

"goarilla <"kevin<punt>paulus|"@|skynet" <"punt> wrote in message
news:484282d7$0$2990$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>
>> "goarilla <"kevin<punt>paulus|"@|skynet" <"punt> wrote in message
>> news:48427bc9$0$2954$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>>
>>
>>> i dare you to install windows in a VM running on windows
>>> with a BartPE disk !
>>
>> Isn't that just a case of..
>> booting the disk in the VM..
>> formatting the C: drive..
>> make it bootable..
>> copy the contents of the i386 directory to the disk..
>> reboot the VM from the C drive..
>> running setup from the i386 directory you copied.
>>
>>
>>
> well ... try it
> then boot your windows and plugin a USB to see if it works !

I don't know about all that crap, but I do know that even clean installs of
Linux (I tried Ubuntu 8.04 and Xubuntu 8.04 in the HOURS that I have been
fighting with this) will not see the USB wireless adapter from within the
VM.

I also tried XP from within the VM and it sees the USB wireless adapter just
fine (Vista is the main OS running on the laptop BTW).

I don't really give a rat's ass about getting into a pissing contest with
any OS zealots. I just want it to work (if possible).

If you have any suggestions that may help me in my goal to run BackTracker 3
in a VM and have it still see the wireless USB device, I'm all ears.

jim

"J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:6afiljF37fa7uU1@mid.individual.net...
> jim wrote:
>
>> But, you should realize that the only reason that the LinuxMobile doesn't
>> seem to suffer from these same problems is that ****ed few people can
>> figure out how to get it out of the garage.
>
> You are talking about the 20% of all modern cellphones, right?

Unless we are talking about the original problem (running Backtrack 3 in a
VM and being able to see the wireless USB devices), I'm not talking at all.

jim

jim wrote:

> But, you should realize that the only reason that the LinuxMobile doesn't
> seem to suffer from these same problems is that ****ed few people can figure
> out how to get it out of the garage.

You are talking about the 20% of all modern cellphones, right?


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jim wrote:
> "goarilla <"kevin<punt>paulus|"@|skynet" <"punt> wrote in message
> news:484282d7$0$2990$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>> "goarilla <"kevin<punt>paulus|"@|skynet" <"punt> wrote in message
>>> news:48427bc9$0$2954$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>>>
>>>
>>>> i dare you to install windows in a VM running on windows
>>>> with a BartPE disk !
>>> Isn't that just a case of..
>>> booting the disk in the VM..
>>> formatting the C: drive..
>>> make it bootable..
>>> copy the contents of the i386 directory to the disk..
>>> reboot the VM from the C drive..
>>> running setup from the i386 directory you copied.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> well ... try it
>> then boot your windows and plugin a USB to see if it works !
>
> I don't know about all that crap, but I do know that even clean installs of
> Linux (I tried Ubuntu 8.04 and Xubuntu 8.04 in the HOURS that I have been
> fighting with this) will not see the USB wireless adapter from within the
> VM.

I don't know why you want to access the wireless adapter from the
GuestOS, doing so will just make the HostOS to be without network
connection. The simples way is to let the HostOS make the network
connection and through the virtual network that the VM should be
connected to, you will get access to the network.

I run Fedora Core 8 at work on my laptop, it don't know how it's really
connected to the net, wired or wireless, as that is handled by the
crashing microsoftXP.


> If you have any suggestions that may help me in my goal to run BackTracker 3
> in a VM and have it still see the wireless USB device, I'm all ears.

You are looking for a solution that will just give you more headache,
it's a virtual machine, it don't have to have any direct access to the
hardware to work, use the possibilities instead of painting yourself
into a corner.


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//Aho

jim wrote:

> Unless we are talking about the original problem (running Backtrack 3 in a
> VM and being able to see the wireless USB devices), I'm not talking at
> all.

blame vmware, not linux..........

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jim wrote:
> "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> news:6afiljF37fa7uU1@mid.individual.net...
>> jim wrote:
>>
>>> But, you should realize that the only reason that the LinuxMobile doesn't
>>> seem to suffer from these same problems is that ****ed few people can
>>> figure out how to get it out of the garage.
>> You are talking about the 20% of all modern cellphones, right?
>
> Unless we are talking about the original problem (running Backtrack 3 in a
> VM and being able to see the wireless USB devices), I'm not talking at all.
>
> jim
>
>
Good idea. Ask a Linux question, and you'll get help, if somebody has
any ideas. But as you've already seen, make any comparisons with another
OS that do not say that Linux is superior, and you'll just get flames.
The question is ignored. Many on the Linux newsgroups aren't interested
in hearing about Linux's possible shortcomings, places where someone who
also uses another OS can see it could use some improvement. They think
it's just fine the way it is.

That's the way it is with zealots. You'll find the same attitude in the
Windows newsgroups. Personally, I think Windows is a piece of crap when
it comes to most things, but I'm also willing to admit there are some
areas where it is better than Linux - for now. But I've only been using
Linux for six years. I don't have my idol and altar set up yet.

TJ

J.O. Aho wrote:

> jim wrote:
>
>> But, you should realize that the only reason that the LinuxMobile doesn't
>> seem to suffer from these same problems is that ****ed few people can
>> figure out how to get it out of the garage.
>
> You are talking about the 20% of all modern cellphones, right?

Closer to 45%!

C.