TJ wrote:

> Good idea. Ask a Linux question, and you'll get help, if somebody has
> any ideas.

Correct.

> But as you've already seen, make any comparisons with another
> OS that do not say that Linux is superior, and you'll just get flames.

Not necessarily. However, if the poster takes an antagonistic stance, he'll
get thoroughly flamed.

> The question is ignored. Many on the Linux newsgroups aren't interested
> in hearing about Linux's possible shortcomings, places where someone who
> also uses another OS can see it could use some improvement. They think
> it's just fine the way it is.

That's just silly. I've written /lots/ of OS software, and I actively
welcome criticism and suggestions for improvement. However, I don't
respond well to sarcastic sneers or other abuse.

> That's the way it is with zealots.

Perhaps, but you'll find /very/ few of those around here!

> You'll find the same attitude in the Windows newsgroups.

They have /nothing/ to brag about!

> Personally, I think Windows is a piece of crap when
> it comes to most things,

Correct.

> but I'm also willing to admit there are some
> areas where it is better than Linux - for now.

I can't think of /anything/ that Windows can do that Linux can't - except
spurious crashes, get virus infections, get clogged with malware and so on.

> But I've only been using
> Linux for six years. I don't have my idol and altar set up yet.

8-)

C.

Em Domingo, 1 de Junho de 2008 03:40, jim escreveu:


> I downloaded BackTrack 3 and ran the Live CD just fine. It detects my USB
> wireless card and everything.

> I followed directions on creating the vmware virtual machine manually (to
> override the SCSI disk in favor of IDE) and I launched the new VM using
> the ISO as my CD drive and allowing the VM to boot into the live BackTrack
> 3 CD.

you can not blame the OS for limitations of virtual emulated computers...

vmware, virtualbox, qemu, whatever... will never emulate all the capacities
of a real computer.


regards

On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:04:45 -0400, TJ wrote:

> Good idea. Ask a Linux question, and you'll get help, if somebody has
> any ideas.

Precisely the point. The OP is having problems with VMware, not Linux.

On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:25:10 -0400, jim wrote:

> Unless we are talking about the original problem (running Backtrack 3 in a
> VM and being able to see the wireless USB devices), I'm not talking at all.

Good. STFU and bugger off, Win-droid.


--
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On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:15:43 -0500, Dave Uhring wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:04:45 -0400, TJ wrote:
>
>> Good idea. Ask a Linux question, and you'll get help, if somebody has
>> any ideas.
>
> Precisely the point. The OP is having problems with VMware, not Linux.

Then asking in the vmware groups would presumably yield the best results.

TJ wrote:
> jim wrote:
>> "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> wrote in message
>> news:6afiljF37fa7uU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> jim wrote:
>>>
>>>> But, you should realize that the only reason that the LinuxMobile
>>>> doesn't seem to suffer from these same problems is that ****ed few
>>>> people can figure out how to get it out of the garage.
>>> You are talking about the 20% of all modern cellphones, right?
>>
>> Unless we are talking about the original problem (running Backtrack 3
>> in a VM and being able to see the wireless USB devices), I'm not
>> talking at all.
>>
>> jim
>>
> Good idea. Ask a Linux question, and you'll get help, if somebody has
> any ideas. But as you've already seen, make any comparisons with another
> OS that do not say that Linux is superior, and you'll just get flames.
> The question is ignored. Many on the Linux newsgroups aren't interested
> in hearing about Linux's possible shortcomings, places where someone who
> also uses another OS can see it could use some improvement. They think
> it's just fine the way it is.
>
> That's the way it is with zealots. You'll find the same attitude in the
> Windows newsgroups. Personally, I think Windows is a piece of crap when
> it comes to most things, but I'm also willing to admit there are some
> areas where it is better than Linux - for now. But I've only been using
> Linux for six years. I don't have my idol and altar set up yet.
>
> TJ
and the problem with trolls like you is that they jump in
and instead of just asking a well thoughed out question they
need to first make claims stating how they dislike linux
or how they like but that it would take this and that to become
really good!

for me ... i just really like the shell and you couldn't pry
it out of my dead fingers if you wanted to.

On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:02:47 +0200, Mark Madsen wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:15:43 -0500, Dave Uhring wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:04:45 -0400, TJ wrote:
>>
>>> Good idea. Ask a Linux question, and you'll get help, if somebody has
>>> any ideas.
>>
>> Precisely the point. The OP is having problems with VMware, not Linux.
>
> Then asking in the vmware groups would presumably yield the best results.

Clearly that is far too complicated a concept for people with vmware
problems.

Mark Madsen wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:15:43 -0500, Dave Uhring wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:04:45 -0400, TJ wrote:
>>
>>> Good idea. Ask a Linux question, and you'll get help, if somebody has
>>> any ideas.
>> Precisely the point. The OP is having problems with VMware, not Linux.
>
> Then asking in the vmware groups would presumably yield the best results.

I hardly they would recommend to use direct access to the USB device in
question, but make the HostOS take care of the connection and then share
it with all the GuestOS's.


--

//Aho

goarilla <"kevin<punt>paulus|"@|skynet punt> wrote:
> TJ wrote:

>> Good idea. Ask a Linux question, and you'll get help, if somebody has
>> any ideas. But as you've already seen, make any comparisons with
>> another OS that do not say that Linux is superior, and you'll just get
>> flames. The question is ignored. Many on the Linux newsgroups aren't
>> interested in hearing about Linux's possible shortcomings, places
>> where someone who also uses another OS can see it could use some
>> improvement. They think it's just fine the way it is.
>>
>> That's the way it is with zealots. You'll find the same attitude in
>> the Windows newsgroups. Personally, I think Windows is a piece of crap
>> when it comes to most things, but I'm also willing to admit there are
>> some areas where it is better than Linux - for now. But I've only been
>> using Linux for six years. I don't have my idol and altar set up yet.
>>
>> TJ
> and the problem with trolls like you is that they jump in
> and instead of just asking a well thoughed out question they
> need to first make claims stating how they dislike linux
> or how they like but that it would take this and that to become
> really good!
>
> for me ... i just really like the shell and you couldn't pry
> it out of my dead fingers if you wanted to.

Why, thank you! An excellent illustration of my point. Just the right
tone, and you avoided the foul language that would have been overkill.
Kudos!

By the by... It's been a couple of years since someone accused me of
being a troll. Kinda makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I was
beginning to think I was getting too mellow for Usenet. Thanks again!

TJ

"goarilla <"kevin<punt>paulus|"@|skynet" <"punt> wrote in message
news:484282d7$0$2990$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>
>> "goarilla <"kevin<punt>paulus|"@|skynet" <"punt> wrote in message
>> news:48427bc9$0$2954$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>>
>>
>>> i dare you to install windows in a VM running on windows
>>> with a BartPE disk !
>>
>> Isn't that just a case of..
>> booting the disk in the VM..
>> formatting the C: drive..
>> make it bootable..
>> copy the contents of the i386 directory to the disk..
>> reboot the VM from the C drive..
>> running setup from the i386 directory you copied.
>>
>>
>>
> well ... try it
> then boot your windows and plugin a USB to see if it works !

Which VM?

"Dave Uhring" <daveuhring******.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.06.01.14.15.39.172450******.com...
> On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:04:45 -0400, TJ wrote:
>
>> Good idea. Ask a Linux question, and you'll get help, if somebody has
>> any ideas.
>
> Precisely the point. The OP is having problems with VMware, not Linux.
>

He is having a problem with the interaction between VMware and linux that
doesn't happen with VMware and windows if you bother to read his posts.

Its probably a simple driver issue as linux doesn't appear to recognise his
NIC, so if you know anything useful about linux why not help?

"TJ" <TJ@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:g1u6pe$lbr$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> jim wrote:
>> "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> wrote in message
>> news:6afiljF37fa7uU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> jim wrote:
>>>
>>>> But, you should realize that the only reason that the LinuxMobile
>>>> doesn't seem to suffer from these same problems is that ****ed few
>>>> people can figure out how to get it out of the garage.
>>> You are talking about the 20% of all modern cellphones, right?
>>
>> Unless we are talking about the original problem (running Backtrack 3 in
>> a VM and being able to see the wireless USB devices), I'm not talking at
>> all.
>>
>> jim
> Good idea. Ask a Linux question, and you'll get help, if somebody has any
> ideas. But as you've already seen, make any comparisons with another OS
> that do not say that Linux is superior, and you'll just get flames. The
> question is ignored. Many on the Linux newsgroups aren't interested in
> hearing about Linux's possible shortcomings, places where someone who also
> uses another OS can see it could use some improvement. They think it's
> just fine the way it is.
>
> That's the way it is with zealots. You'll find the same attitude in the
> Windows newsgroups. Personally, I think Windows is a piece of crap when it
> comes to most things, but I'm also willing to admit there are some areas
> where it is better than Linux - for now. But I've only been using Linux
> for six years. I don't have my idol and altar set up yet.

For me, a tool is a tool. If I need to drive a nail, I'll use a hammer. If
I need to cut down a tree, I'll use a chainsaw.

Linux. Windows. Who cares? I'll use the one that gets the job done the
fastest, easiest and cheapest (in that order).

For me, the goal is always to acheive the goals of a given task or project
within the parameters of technical expertise, money and time available to
the project. If a hammer helps me to do this, or a chainsaw helps, or both,
it matters not a whit to me.

jim

TJ wrote:
> goarilla <"kevin<punt>paulus|"@|skynet punt> wrote:
>> TJ wrote:
>
>>> Good idea. Ask a Linux question, and you'll get help, if somebody has
>>> any ideas. But as you've already seen, make any comparisons with
>>> another OS that do not say that Linux is superior, and you'll just
>>> get flames. The question is ignored. Many on the Linux newsgroups
>>> aren't interested in hearing about Linux's possible shortcomings,
>>> places where someone who also uses another OS can see it could use
>>> some improvement. They think it's just fine the way it is.
>>>
>>> That's the way it is with zealots. You'll find the same attitude in
>>> the Windows newsgroups. Personally, I think Windows is a piece of
>>> crap when it comes to most things, but I'm also willing to admit
>>> there are some areas where it is better than Linux - for now. But
>>> I've only been using Linux for six years. I don't have my idol and
>>> altar set up yet.
>>>
>>> TJ
>> and the problem with trolls like you is that they jump in
>> and instead of just asking a well thoughed out question they
>> need to first make claims stating how they dislike linux
>> or how they like but that it would take this and that to become
>> really good!
>>
>> for me ... i just really like the shell and you couldn't pry
>> it out of my dead fingers if you wanted to.
>
> Why, thank you! An excellent illustration of my point. Just the right
> tone, and you avoided the foul language that would have been overkill.
> Kudos!
>
> By the by... It's been a couple of years since someone accused me of
> being a troll. Kinda makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I was
> beginning to think I was getting too mellow for Usenet. Thanks again!
>
> TJ
you're welcome :)

dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "goarilla <"kevin<punt>paulus|"@|skynet" <"punt> wrote in message
> news:484282d7$0$2990$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "goarilla <"kevin<punt>paulus|"@|skynet" <"punt> wrote in message
>>> news:48427bc9$0$2954$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
>>>
>>>
>>>> i dare you to install windows in a VM running on windows
>>>> with a BartPE disk !
>>>
>>> Isn't that just a case of..
>>> booting the disk in the VM..
>>> formatting the C: drive..
>>> make it bootable..
>>> copy the contents of the i386 directory to the disk..
>>> reboot the VM from the C drive..
>>> running setup from the i386 directory you copied.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> well ... try it
>> then boot your windows and plugin a USB to see if it works !
>
> Which VM?
>
>
your windows guest vm on your windows host

On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:38:31 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> He is having a problem with the interaction between VMware and linux that
> doesn't happen with VMware and windows if you bother to read his posts.

In vmware the hardware is hidden from the guest OS. Windows disregards
normal behavior in this matter and accesses any hardware it discovers,
which is one of the primary reasons that it is so ****ed insecure.

> Its probably a simple driver issue as linux doesn't appear to recognise
> his NIC, so if you know anything useful about linux why not help?

If he wants to ask a Linux question I would be happy to help but my
experience with wireless hardware is limited. His problem is not Linux,
however; it is the simple fact that he is NOT using Linux but rather
VMWare with a guest OS which has no access to his hardware.

If he really wants to have Linux access his hardware he can **** well run
Linux, either from live optical media or install it.