"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw******.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 May 2008 13:37:30 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>
>
>> *This should in no way be misconstrued as an endorsement of windows. I
>> would not knowingly trust my life to a Microsoft OS.*
>
> Ever been in a hospital?
> If so ,you already have.
>
> Ever go to the doctor?
> If so, you already have.
>
> Ever go to the dentist?
> If so you already have.
>
> Ever go to the pharmacy to get medications?
> If so you already have.

Have you ever run Vista?
Root canals are nicer in the end, the pain goes away.

On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:07:05 GMT, Canuck57 wrote:

> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw******.com> wrote in message
> news:1jbv7a0klatk.uynjo2lja7tj$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 13:37:30 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>
>>
>>> *This should in no way be misconstrued as an endorsement of windows. I
>>> would not knowingly trust my life to a Microsoft OS.*
>>
>> Ever been in a hospital?
>> If so ,you already have.
>>
>> Ever go to the doctor?
>> If so, you already have.
>>
>> Ever go to the dentist?
>> If so you already have.
>>
>> Ever go to the pharmacy to get medications?
>> If so you already have.
>
> Have you ever run Vista?
> Root canals are nicer in the end, the pain goes away.

I hate Vista however I'll still give root canal the edge in pain.

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Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:07:05 GMT, Canuck57 wrote:
>
>
>>"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw******.com> wrote in message
>>news:1jbv7a0klatk.uynjo2lja7tj$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
>>
>>>On Fri, 16 May 2008 13:37:30 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>*This should in no way be misconstrued as an endorsement of windows. I
>>>>would not knowingly trust my life to a Microsoft OS.*
>>>
>>>Ever been in a hospital?
>>>If so ,you already have.
>>>
>>>Ever go to the doctor?
>>>If so, you already have.
>>>
>>>Ever go to the dentist?
>>>If so you already have.
>>>
>>>Ever go to the pharmacy to get medications?
>>>If so you already have.
>>
>>Have you ever run Vista?
>>Root canals are nicer in the end, the pain goes away.
>
>
> I hate Vista however I'll still give root canal the edge in pain.
>
canadian bacon is a failed IT (Idiot in Training). he is the gofer at
work. He hates MS and Vista cause he's too stupid to properly install,
configure and run it.
He's also just a GD lying linux troll and an asshole loser.
Frank

In article <1l1i4zt4ow56w.1le5ew7pmd4of$.dlg@40tude.net>,
Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw******.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:00:21 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:57:01 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:47:58 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:06:43 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ivan Marsh <ivanmarsh******.com>
> >>>> wrote
> >>> At least Java went to Mars.
> >>
> >> Was Java running the innards of that 40 million dollar Tonka Toy that
> >> went brain dead on Mars 10 minutes after it landed?
> >
> > Suggesting that hitting Mars much less landing safely on the surface is
> > trivial?
>
> Not at all.
>
> The thing fscked up.
>
> I'm just wondering if Java was what fscked it up.

Might have been who ever NASA used as the subcontracter. Remember how
Lockheed Martin went off and put English standard units into equations
designed for Metric units and got the Mars Climate Orbiter clobbered?

When I went to college in the mid 1980's our physics book used metric so I
couldn't understand this. I mean why on Earth would anyone outside the
automotive industry use English standard units?!

On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:55:15 -0600, Bruce Grubb wrote:

> In article <1l1i4zt4ow56w.1le5ew7pmd4of$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw******.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:00:21 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:57:01 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:47:58 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:06:43 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ivan Marsh <ivanmarsh******.com>
>>>>>> wrote
>>>>> At least Java went to Mars.
>>>>
>>>> Was Java running the innards of that 40 million dollar Tonka Toy that
>>>> went brain dead on Mars 10 minutes after it landed?
>>>
>>> Suggesting that hitting Mars much less landing safely on the surface is
>>> trivial?
>>
>> Not at all.
>>
>> The thing fscked up.
>>
>> I'm just wondering if Java was what fscked it up.
>
> Might have been who ever NASA used as the subcontracter. Remember how
> Lockheed Martin went off and put English standard units into equations
> designed for Metric units and got the Mars Climate Orbiter clobbered?

I believe they did a similar thing with the Hubble as well.
One team was using English the other metric.

Personally, as an Engineer, I could never understand the reasoning for
Englsih vs MKS.

> When I went to college in the mid 1980's our physics book used metric so I
> couldn't understand this. I mean why on Earth would anyone outside the
> automotive industry use English standard units?!

The problem is thinking and converting.

Example: Typical American (like me) knows a foot is *this long* (stretch
your arms out) but has no idea how big a meter is.
They are constantly trying to convert which makes a mess of things.

If they were taught in terms of MKS their would be no problem.


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On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:59:17 -0600, Bruce Grubb wrote:

> In article <JkpXj.143179$rd2.64433@pd7urf3no>,
> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw******.com> wrote in message
>> news:1jbv7a0klatk.uynjo2lja7tj$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 13:37:30 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> *This should in no way be misconstrued as an endorsement of windows. I
>>>> would not knowingly trust my life to a Microsoft OS.*
>>>
>>> Ever been in a hospital?
>>> If so ,you already have.
>>>
>>> Ever go to the doctor?
>>> If so, you already have.
>>>
>>> Ever go to the dentist?
>>> If so you already have.
>>>
>>> Ever go to the pharmacy to get medications?
>>> If so you already have.
>>
>> Have you ever run Vista?
>> Root canals are nicer in the end, the pain goes away.
>
> My dentist uses a Macintosh :-P

My ENT does as well :)

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http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

John wrote:
> Steve de Mena wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>>
>>> "Steve de Mena" <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote in message
>>> news:qfudncEI1P8olLDVnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>> hsyq8xg******.com wrote:
>>>>> www.gcn.com/print/27_8/46117-1.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting quotes --
>>>>>
>>>>> “We have achieved the promises of Moore’s Law,”
>>>>>
>>>>> “Much more pervasive now is the problem with software.”
>>>>>
>>>>> “Software is getting bigger and more complex,"
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Windows Vista operating system is so much bigger than its
>>>>> predecessors, that it is not any faster even though processing speeds
>>>>> have increased.”
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> = = = ==================================
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't see anywhere in this article where they say what OSs they
>>>> are using.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Advocating junk again AS USUAL I see.
>>
>> I was making a statement of FACT, as usual.
>>
>> Stev
>
>
> No you stated NO FACT. The article clearly mentioned Vista.

Since I know from our previous discussions that you are a little slow,
I'll say it again, a little slower this time....

"I don't see anywhere in this article where they say what OSs they are
using."

Steve

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
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> I remember reading that at the time it happened. I would have thought the
> navy would have used something much more stable for critical operations.
> Also more secure, like OpenBSD or something. Also cluster them for fail
> over.

Clustering doesn't help with application software faults.
Its a common mistake people make, like thinking RAID is a substitute for
backups.


> Using NT was stupid, could have been real bad if they failed in an active
> combat war zone at sea.

Any application software failing during combat could be a problem.
That is why they like mature software on military systems.

"Bruce Grubb" <bgrubb@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:bgrubb-1799DB.19545916052008@news.zianet.com...

> When I went to college in the mid 1980's our physics book used metric so I
> couldn't understand this. I mean why on Earth would anyone outside the
> automotive industry use English standard units?!

If you look at the engineering you will find the automotive industry is
metric.

dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Bruce Grubb" <bgrubb@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:bgrubb-1799DB.19545916052008@news.zianet.com...
>
>> When I went to college in the mid 1980's our physics book used metric
>> so I
>> couldn't understand this. I mean why on Earth would anyone outside the
>> automotive industry use English standard units?!
>
> If you look at the engineering you will find the automotive industry is
> metric.

I found that out in the early 1960s. I was driving my Alfa Romeo Giulietta
Spider in Hartford Connecticut and my left front wheel bearing quit. I did
not live anywhere near there. I drove it into a gas station (they still did
car repairs there in those days) and wondered if they could possibly get a
wheel bearing for that, knowing it would be metric. They said sure, and
after measuring it, got on from their local supplier and had me out of there
in an hour or so at a very reasonable price. I asked how they happened to
have a metric wheel bearing for an Italian car. I was told that all wheel
bearings were metric.

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"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
news:g0jfhc$3e7$1@news.datemas.de...
>
>
> <hsyq8xg******.com> wrote in message
> news:e18a23ab-2f89-4da8-9dc3-cdd9a1ac677b@1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> A poor troll..
> the important bit is
>
>>>>>
> “Software gets slower because the data operating over a network is
> increasing faster than computer processing rates,” Hull said.
>
> Some satellites generate several gigabytes of data per second, Hull
> said. “The next generation may be terabytes of information per
> second,” he said. “If a computer has to deal with 100 times or 1,000
> times the amount of data today than it did yesterday, it’s going to be
> swamped.”
> <<<<<
>
>
> Its the same for all OSes so you can insert any OS you like and the post
> means the same.
>
> In fact you probably can't insert windows there at all as its unlikely to
> run the processing of terabytes of data from a satellite and it certainly
> will not be Vista as it hasn't been around long enough and is a desktop
> OS.

Erm, doesn't the military have operating systems that are top secret? If
they use windows or any of the other large operating systems it's for normal
stuff like record keeping and files. They don't guide satellites or missiles
with it or navigate ships.




>
> follow ups set!

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes:

> "Ivan Marsh" <ivanmarsh******.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.05.16.18.37.28.500559******.com...
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:56:01 -0700, -hh wrote:
>>
>>> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ... no mention of vista gives you several choices including: linux,
>>>> Mac, XP, 98, 95, CE, pSOS, DOS, and loads of others. Choose the best
>>>> one for the application and everything will be fine.
>>>
>>> IIRC, the USN had been using NT on some of their ships a couple of years
>>> ago.
>>>
>>> Here's some links:
>>>
>>> <http://www.gcn.com/print/17_17/33727-1.html>
>>>
>>> <http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/1998/07/13987>
>>>
>>> <http://windowsitpro.com/article/arti...nt-sinks-navy-
>>> ship.html>
>>>
>>> These are all pretty dated; not sure if there's more current info online
>>> or not.
>>
>> Sorry... but the Yorktown meltdown had to do with a divide by zero error
>> in the engine power interface when the operator entered zero into a data
>> input field which was the fault of the person who programmed the control
>> software and had nothing to do with the operating system.
>>
>> *This should in no way be misconstrued as an endorsement of windows. I
>> would not knowingly trust my life to a Microsoft OS.*
>
> It still highlights the general poor quality of MS-Windows programming
> methodologies spilling into serious software development cycles and today's
> design techniques. While software has become more complex, it is also true
> the teams developing it are much larger, better funded and generally less
> disciplined. We somehow think a business NET ad-hoc programmer makes a
> embedded systems programmer, and that is a fallacy for greed.

What a load of uninformed bull****.

Hadron wrote:
> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes:
>
>> "Ivan Marsh" <ivanmarsh******.com> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2008.05.16.18.37.28.500559******.com...
>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:56:01 -0700, -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>>>> ... no mention of vista gives you several choices including: linux,
>>>>> Mac, XP, 98, 95, CE, pSOS, DOS, and loads of others. Choose the best
>>>>> one for the application and everything will be fine.
>>>> IIRC, the USN had been using NT on some of their ships a couple of years
>>>> ago.
>>>>
>>>> Here's some links:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.gcn.com/print/17_17/33727-1.html>
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/1998/07/13987>
>>>>
>>>> <http://windowsitpro.com/article/arti...nt-sinks-navy-
>>>> ship.html>
>>>>
>>>> These are all pretty dated; not sure if there's more current info online
>>>> or not.
>>> Sorry... but the Yorktown meltdown had to do with a divide by zero error
>>> in the engine power interface when the operator entered zero into a data
>>> input field which was the fault of the person who programmed the control
>>> software and had nothing to do with the operating system.
>>>
>>> *This should in no way be misconstrued as an endorsement of windows. I
>>> would not knowingly trust my life to a Microsoft OS.*
>> It still highlights the general poor quality of MS-Windows programming
>> methodologies spilling into serious software development cycles and today's
>> design techniques. While software has become more complex, it is also true
>> the teams developing it are much larger, better funded and generally less
>> disciplined. We somehow think a business NET ad-hoc programmer makes a
>> embedded systems programmer, and that is a fallacy for greed.
>
> What a load of uninformed bull****.

Sounds pretty accurate to me, having worked on just such teams in the past.

The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes:
>>
>>> "Ivan Marsh" <ivanmarsh******.com> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2008.05.16.18.37.28.500559******.com...
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:56:01 -0700, -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>>>>> ... no mention of vista gives you several choices including: linux,
>>>>>> Mac, XP, 98, 95, CE, pSOS, DOS, and loads of others. Choose the best
>>>>>> one for the application and everything will be fine.
>>>>> IIRC, the USN had been using NT on some of their ships a couple of years
>>>>> ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's some links:
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.gcn.com/print/17_17/33727-1.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/1998/07/13987>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://windowsitpro.com/article/arti...nt-sinks-navy-
>>>>> ship.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> These are all pretty dated; not sure if there's more current info online
>>>>> or not.
>>>> Sorry... but the Yorktown meltdown had to do with a divide by zero error
>>>> in the engine power interface when the operator entered zero into a data
>>>> input field which was the fault of the person who programmed the control
>>>> software and had nothing to do with the operating system.
>>>>
>>>> *This should in no way be misconstrued as an endorsement of windows. I
>>>> would not knowingly trust my life to a Microsoft OS.*
>>> It still highlights the general poor quality of MS-Windows
>>> programming methodologies spilling into serious software
>>> development cycles and today's design techniques. While software
>>> has become more complex, it is also true the teams developing it
>>> are much larger, better funded and generally less disciplined. We
>>> somehow think a business NET ad-hoc programmer makes a embedded
>>> systems programmer, and that is a fallacy for greed.
>>
>> What a load of uninformed bull****.
>
> Sounds pretty accurate to me, having worked on just such teams in the
> past.

I was referring to the MS Windows programming methodologies comment. The
"less disciplined" bit is crap too. Most projects are so ****
disciplined these days they have certificates coming out of their cracks
but very little SW. OSS is a different kettle of fish - almost zero
discipline and "yet another copycat program" every other day.

In article <9t96hqagi7vh.172qilsj253n$.dlg@40tude.net>,
Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw******.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:55:15 -0600, Bruce Grubb wrote:
>
> > In article <1l1i4zt4ow56w.1le5ew7pmd4of$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> > Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw******.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:00:21 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:57:01 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:47:58 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:06:43 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ivan Marsh <ivanmarsh******.com>
> >>>>>> wrote
> >>>>> At least Java went to Mars.
> >>>>
> >>>> Was Java running the innards of that 40 million dollar Tonka Toy that
> >>>> went brain dead on Mars 10 minutes after it landed?
> >>>
> >>> Suggesting that hitting Mars much less landing safely on the surface is
> >>> trivial?
> >>
> >> Not at all.
> >>
> >> The thing fscked up.
> >>
> >> I'm just wondering if Java was what fscked it up.
> >
> > Might have been who ever NASA used as the subcontracter. Remember how
> > Lockheed Martin went off and put English standard units into equations
> > designed for Metric units and got the Mars Climate Orbiter clobbered?
>
> I believe they did a similar thing with the Hubble as well.
> One team was using English the other metric.
>
> Personally, as an Engineer, I could never understand the reasoning for
> Englsih vs MKS.
>
> > When I went to college in the mid 1980's our physics book used metric so I
> > couldn't understand this. I mean why on Earth would anyone outside the
> > automotive industry use English standard units?!
>
> The problem is thinking and converting.
>
> Example: Typical American (like me) knows a foot is *this long* (stretch
> your arms out) but has no idea how big a meter is.

I guess it is all a matter of when you grew up. My youth was filled with
those little metric shows on PBS that were basically 30 min PSAs. I still
remember that a meter is just a little longer than a yard, a dime is about
1 mm in thickness, and that a cubic decimeter = 1 liter = 1 kilogram which
is around 2.2 pounds. I also remember the old pint is a pound (ie 16
ounces) of the common system as well.

> They are constantly trying to convert which makes a mess of things.
>
> If they were taught in terms of MKS their would be no problem.

Strange thing is that the University of Utah taught ALL its physics courses
in metric in the mid 1980's. I guess I thought that is the way all
universities of that time taught their courses.