Hot off the keyboard ...

http://blog.eracc.com/2008/04/03/a-b...t-vista-ready/

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On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:54:57 +0000, ERACC wrote:

> Hot off the keyboard ...
>
> http://blog.eracc.com/2008/04/03/a-b...linux-laptops-
marketed-and-sold-as-microsoft-vista-ready/
>
> Gene (e-mail: gene \a\t eracc \d\o\t com)

Is a human supposed to be able to read that page? The color scheme is the
best I've ever seen to make a page unreadable. I think I'm gonna puke.

David 01 wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:54:57 +0000, ERACC wrote:
>
>> Hot off the keyboard ...
>>
>> http://blog.eracc.com/2008/04/03/a-b...linux-laptops-
> marketed-and-sold-as-microsoft-vista-ready/
>>
>> Gene (e-mail: gene \a\t eracc \d\o\t com)
>
> Is a human supposed to be able to read that page? The color scheme is the
> best I've ever seen to make a page unreadable. I think I'm gonna puke.
I made it half way through.... before I went cross-eyed... if someone could
give me the gist of the second half?

:
: Is a human supposed to be able to read that page? The color scheme is the
: best I've ever seen to make a page unreadable.

It looks lovely.

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:07:04 -0400, Reg <rsiddall@telus.net> wrote:

>> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:54:57 +0000, ERACC wrote:
>>> http://blog.eracc.com/2008/04/03/a-b...t-vista-ready/

> I made it half way through.... before I went cross-eyed... if someone could
> give me the gist of the second half?

:). Opera has this handy feature, I often use for sites with dark backgrounds.
Click on View/Style/Usermode, and the page displays black text on a white
background.

Second half is pointing out that underpowered vista computers are a good
oportunity, for getting people to try linux.

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On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:07:04 +0000, Reg wrote:

> David 01 wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:54:57 +0000, ERACC wrote:
>>
>>> Hot off the keyboard ...
>>>
>>> http://blog.eracc.com/2008/04/03/a-b...linux-laptops-
>> marketed-and-sold-as-microsoft-vista-ready/
>>>
>>> Gene (e-mail: gene \a\t eracc \d\o\t com)
>>
>> Is a human supposed to be able to read that page? The color scheme is
>> the best I've ever seen to make a page unreadable. I think I'm gonna
>> puke.
> I made it half way through.... before I went cross-eyed... if someone
> could give me the gist of the second half?

Absolutely nauseating to try to read. My head is still reeling. When are
web designers/bloggers going to figure out that it's okay if it's simple
and easy to read?

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On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:41:08 +0000, David 01 <ifiwantspam@illask.org>
wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:54:57 +0000, ERACC wrote:
>
>> Hot off the keyboard ...
>>
>> http://blog.eracc.com/2008/04/03/a-b...linux-laptops-
>marketed-and-sold-as-microsoft-vista-ready/
>>
>> Gene (e-mail: gene \a\t eracc \d\o\t com)
>
>Is a human supposed to be able to read that page? The color scheme is the
>best I've ever seen to make a page unreadable. I think I'm gonna puke.

It would seem to me that you either need a new monitor or (new?)
glasses. Either that or learn to adjust the monitor you do have.

Roy Strachan - Registered Linux User 469226

David 01 writes:
> Is a human supposed to be able to read that page? The color scheme is the
> best I've ever seen to make a page unreadable. I think I'm gonna puke.

It's black on white here in Firefox, just like every other Web page I look
at. No matter what loony color scheme the "designer" attempts to impose.
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David 01 wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:54:57 +0000, ERACC wrote:
>
>> Hot off the keyboard ...
>>
>> http://blog.eracc.com/2008/04/03/a-b...linux-laptops-
> marketed-and-sold-as-microsoft-vista-ready/
>>
>> Gene (e-mail: gene \a\t eracc \d\o\t com)
>
> Is a human supposed to be able to read that page? The color scheme is the
> best I've ever seen to make a page unreadable. I think I'm gonna puke.

Other than the type is a little small, its fine. Must be the way you have your
browser configured or something or maybe your monitor. I have seen pages
where the color selection makes it nearly impossible to read but white on
very dark gray, as used here, looks ok to me.
Eric

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:56:20 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:07:04 -0400, Reg <rsiddall@telus.net> wrote:
>
>>> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:54:57 +0000, ERACC wrote:
>>>> http://blog.eracc.com/2008/04/03/a-b...t-vista-ready/
>
>> I made it half way through.... before I went cross-eyed... if someone
>> could give me the gist of the second half?
>
> . Opera has this handy feature, I often use for sites with dark
> backgrounds. Click on View/Style/Usermode, and the page displays black
> text on a white background.

In Firefox 2.0.0.x one can use [View] -> [Page Style] -> [No Style] to
turn off the CSS and view the page as a plain black on white page. Then
use [View] -> [Page Style] -> [Basic Page Style] to turn CSS back on.

> Second half is pointing out that underpowered vista computers are a good
> oportunity, for getting people to try linux.

Yes, I added a couple of clarifications today to make that more
understandable after I received some private e-mail about the page.

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On Thu, 03 Apr 2008, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.ubuntu, in article
<d98aa$47f56b14$471f2cf1$5057@ALLTEL.NET>, David 01 wrote:

>ERACC wrote:
>
>> Hot off the keyboard ...

How about setting a "Followup-To:" header as I have? In truth, this is
probably more appropriate to comp.os.linux.advocacy.

>> http://blog.eracc.com/2008/04/03/a-b...linux-laptops-
marketed-and-sold-as-microsoft-vista-ready/

>Is a human supposed to be able to read that page? The color scheme is the
>best I've ever seen to make a page unreadable. I think I'm gonna puke.

Looks fine in lynx - I really don't care about colors and images anyway.

-------
My question is why are these companies (like Acer, Dell and others)
selling these memory anemic systems with Vista pre-loaded? It seems to
me to be misleading to sell a laptop with Microsoft Vista and less than
2GB of RAM when everyone I know personally in the personal computing
technical community seems to agree that 2GB is really the minimum RAM
one needs to have a good experience with Microsoft's Vista.
-------

Have you looked at the inside cover ad in the April and May issues of
Linux Journal? The ad is from HPC Systems Inc (San Jose, CA.) and is
advertising their "HiPerSTATION 8000" as an upscale _desktop_ system.
The ad gives the system highlights as 8 Quad Core Opterons with 2 TB of
storage and_up_to_ 256 GB of DDR2-667 RAM. No mention of price, or what
the BogoMIPs (see the BogoMips mini-howto) might be. ;-)

As far as vista and it's problems, perhaps the article at

<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/
09digi.html?em&ex=1205380800&en=89901eb2917ab280&e i=5087%0A>

(WATCH THE LINE WRAP) which includes this tidbit:

Dell, which gave Microsoft a postmortem report that was also
included among court documents, dryly remarked: "Customers did
not understand what 'Capable' meant and expected more than
could/would be delivered."

will give a chuckle. (The NY Times article is reporting on a Class
Action lawsuit against ms for implying that a 'Windows Vista Capable'
logo means it will actually run. The article includes some internal
ms documents that were subpoenaed by the plaintiffs.)

Old guy

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:04:40 -0500, Moe Trin wrote:

[...]
> -------
> My question is why are these companies (like Acer, Dell and others)
> selling these memory anemic systems with Vista pre-loaded? It seems
> to me to be misleading to sell a laptop with Microsoft Vista and less
> than 2GB of RAM when everyone I know personally in the personal
> computing technical community seems to agree that 2GB is really the
> minimum RAM one needs to have a good experience with Microsoft's
> Vista.
> -------
>
> Have you looked at the inside cover ad in the April and May issues of
> Linux Journal? The ad is from HPC Systems Inc (San Jose, CA.) and is
> advertising their "HiPerSTATION 8000" as an upscale _desktop_ system.
> The ad gives the system highlights as 8 Quad Core Opterons with 2 TB of
> storage and_up_to_ 256 GB of DDR2-667 RAM. No mention of price, or what
> the BogoMIPs (see the BogoMips mini-howto) might be. ;-)

Haven't seen it. The folks that get Linux Journal are likely to already
be Linux users. I want to see more targeting of Linux virgins. :)

> As far as vista and it's problems, perhaps the article at
>
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/
> 09digi.html?em&ex=1205380800&en=89901eb2917ab280&e i=5087%0A>
>
> (WATCH THE LINE WRAP) which includes this tidbit:

If folks can't figure out the line wrap thing try this instead.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2w9g9b

>
> Dell, which gave Microsoft a postmortem report that was also
> included among court documents, dryly remarked: "Customers did not
> understand what 'Capable' meant and expected more than could/would
> be delivered."
>
> will give a chuckle. (The NY Times article is reporting on a Class
> Action lawsuit against ms for implying that a 'Windows Vista Capable'
> logo means it will actually run. The article includes some internal ms
> documents that were subpoenaed by the plaintiffs.)

Just read it. That article is quite funny. :)

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Moe Trin wrote:
><http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/
> 09digi.html?em&ex=1205380800&en=89901eb2917ab280&e i=5087%0A>
>
> (WATCH THE LINE WRAP)

The website wanted me to login, but I was able to read the article at
the above URL by enabling cookies. Opera 9.26 here.

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:56:43 -0700, Eric wrote:

> David 01 wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:54:57 +0000, ERACC wrote:
>>
>>> Hot off the keyboard ...
>>>
>>> http://blog.eracc.com/2008/04/03/a-b...linux-laptops-
>> marketed-and-sold-as-microsoft-vista-ready/
>>>
>>> Gene (e-mail: gene \a\t eracc \d\o\t com)
>>
>> Is a human supposed to be able to read that page? The color scheme is
>> the best I've ever seen to make a page unreadable. I think I'm gonna
>> puke.
>
> Other than the type is a little small, its fine. Must be the way you
> have your browser configured or something or maybe your monitor. I have
> seen pages where the color selection makes it nearly impossible to read
> but white on very dark gray, as used here, looks ok to me. Eric

Old trick: When colors make a webpage hard to read, it sometimes helps to
click somewhere on the page and then do a "select all". That'll alter the
colors, usually in a helpful direction.

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