Have to send my time card in via email in the form of a spreadsheet
- in MS XLS format, of course. I use OOo to edit and manage the
native MS spreadsheet. Today I saved the exact same document in OOo
ODS format to compare file size. Here's what I saw:

-rw-r--r-- 1 cmo cmo 20526 2007-09-29 09:50 070928-071004.ods
-rw-r--r-- 1 cmo cmo 132608 2007-09-29 09:39 070928-071004.xls

The OpenOffice file is 20KB and MS XlS is 132KB ! Imagine how much drive space
is being wasted world-wide and Net bandwidth due to MS bloat! This singular file
size difference is more than a 6:1 ratio.

If ever I elect to have my own business, *nothing* MS will be
permitted!

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sk8r-365
The only way to make Windows "secure":
1) go to http://goodbye-microsoft.com
2) replace existing operating system.

sk8r-365 <sk8r-365@sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org>:
> Have to send my time card in via email in the form of a spreadsheet

I have to fill out two web based thingy's, then fax a signed
hardcopy. Twenty-first Century, my a**.

> -rw-r--r-- 1 cmo cmo 20526 2007-09-29 09:50 070928-071004.ods
> -rw-r--r-- 1 cmo cmo 132608 2007-09-29 09:39 070928-071004.xls
>
> The OpenOffice file is 20KB and MS XlS is 132KB ! Imagine how much drive space
> is being wasted world-wide and Net bandwidth due to MS bloat! This singular file
> size difference is more than a 6:1 ratio.

Looks like it's constant.

-rw-r--r-- 1 keeling keeling 120832 2007-07-14 15:35 20070709_resume.doc
-rw-r--r-- 1 keeling keeling 20821 2007-07-31 11:58 20070709_resume.odt


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Horton heard a Who named s. keeling saying:
> sk8r-365 <sk8r-365@sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org>:
>> Have to send my time card in via email in the form of a spreadsheet
>
> I have to fill out two web based thingy's, then fax a signed
> hardcopy. Twenty-first Century, my a**.

Yeah, just like the advent of the paperless office following the
"computer revolution" :)

--
sk8r-365
The only way to make Windows "secure":
1) go to http://goodbye-microsoft.com
2) replace existing operating system.

sk8r-365 wrote:
> ODS format to compare file size. Here's what I saw:
>
> -rw-r--r-- 1 cmo cmo 20526 2007-09-29 09:50 070928-071004.ods
> -rw-r--r-- 1 cmo cmo 132608 2007-09-29 09:39 070928-071004.xls
>
> The OpenOffice file is 20KB and MS XlS is 132KB ! Imagine how much drive space
> is being wasted world-wide and Net bandwidth due to MS bloat! This singular file
> size difference is more than a 6:1 ratio.

I did something similar a few years ago, I had a doc file that I had saved
with MS-office at a school, got home edited the file and saved it in ms-doc
format with oo, if I remember it correctly I did get a 2:1 ration, even if I
had a half A4 page more on the edited version.

Something I noticed when comparing the two files was that microsoft stores
which font is used almost each line and of course as much information as
possible about the user who created the document, like login, computer and so
on...

--

//Aho

Horton heard a Who named J.O. Aho saying:
> sk8r-365 wrote:
>> ODS format to compare file size. Here's what I saw:
>>
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 cmo cmo 20526 2007-09-29 09:50 070928-071004.ods
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 cmo cmo 132608 2007-09-29 09:39 070928-071004.xls
>>
>> The OpenOffice file is 20KB and MS XlS is 132KB ! Imagine how much drive space
>> is being wasted world-wide and Net bandwidth due to MS bloat! This singular file
>> size difference is more than a 6:1 ratio.
>
> I did something similar a few years ago, I had a doc file that I had saved
> with MS-office at a school, got home edited the file and saved it in ms-doc
> format with oo, if I remember it correctly I did get a 2:1 ration, even if I
> had a half A4 page more on the edited version.
>
> Something I noticed when comparing the two files was that microsoft stores
> which font is used almost each line and of course as much information as
> possible about the user who created the document, like login, computer and so
> on...
>

And to what purpose, and to what user value, does MS gather such info?

--
sk8r-365
The only way to make Windows "secure":
1) go to http://goodbye-microsoft.com
2) replace existing operating system.

sk8r-365 wrote:
> Have to send my time card in via email in the form of a spreadsheet
> - in MS XLS format, of course. I use OOo to edit and manage the
> native MS spreadsheet. Today I saved the exact same document in OOo
> ODS format to compare file size. Here's what I saw:
>
> -rw-r--r-- 1 cmo cmo 20526 2007-09-29 09:50 070928-071004.ods
> -rw-r--r-- 1 cmo cmo 132608 2007-09-29 09:39 070928-071004.xls
>
> The OpenOffice file is 20KB and MS XlS is 132KB ! Imagine how much drive space
> is being wasted world-wide and Net bandwidth due to MS bloat! This singular file
> size difference is more than a 6:1 ratio.
>
> If ever I elect to have my own business, *nothing* MS will be
> permitted!
>
Try running SuperCalc under CP/M for really small files! :-)
It even works pretty well using DOS, (MS version of CP/M).

--
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In message <59KdncdDLqLELGPbnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@bresnan.com>, sk8r-365 wrote:
> Horton heard a Who named J.O. Aho saying:
> > sk8r-365 wrote:
> >> ODS format to compare file size. Here's what I saw:
> >>
> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 cmo cmo 20526 2007-09-29 09:50 070928-071004.ods
> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 cmo cmo 132608 2007-09-29 09:39 070928-071004.xls
> >>
> >> The OpenOffice file is 20KB and MS XlS is 132KB ! Imagine how much drive
> space
> >> is being wasted world-wide and Net bandwidth due to MS bloat! This
> singular file
> >> size difference is more than a 6:1 ratio.
> >
> > I did something similar a few years ago, I had a doc file that I had saved
> > with MS-office at a school, got home edited the file and saved it in
> ms-doc
> > format with oo, if I remember it correctly I did get a 2:1 ration, even
> if I
> > had a half A4 page more on the edited version.
> >
> > Something I noticed when comparing the two files was that microsoft stores
> > which font is used almost each line and of course as much information as
> > possible about the user who created the document, like login, computer
> and so
> > on...
> >
>
> And to what purpose, and to what user value, does MS gather such info?
>
Why to increase the valuation of the users experience, of course :)
And to further stratgise marketecture scalability.

OTOH, it might be that M$ cut a deal with the government so that when a user
creates a word.doc or whatever, the "extra" info wil help the NSA or FBI track
and identify that user.

<shrugs>

:)

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:11:28 -0600, §ñühw¤£f wrote:

<snip>
>
> OTOH, it might be that M$ cut a deal with the government so that when a
> user creates a word.doc or whatever, the "extra" info wil help the NSA
> or FBI track and identify that user.
>
> <shrugs>
>
> :)

Already happened! As I recall, the BTK Killer in Kansas City was nabbed
when he sent a computer disk with a Microsoft Office document to the
cops. Oops, he forgot that it stored the 'user info' identifying him as
user "Dennis" on the local church's computer. Didn't take long after that
to figure out who he was.

Rich

Horton heard a Who named §ñühw¤£f saying:
> In message <59KdncdDLqLELGPbnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@bresnan.com>, sk8r-365 wrote:
>> Horton heard a Who named J.O. Aho saying:

>> > Something I noticed when comparing the two files was that microsoft stores
>> > which font is used almost each line and of course as much information as
>> > possible about the user who created the document, like login, computer
>> and so
>> > on...
>> >
>>
>> And to what purpose, and to what user value, does MS gather such info?
>>
> Why to increase the valuation of the users experience, of course :)
> And to further stratgise marketecture scalability.
>
> OTOH, it might be that M$ cut a deal with the government so that when a user
> creates a word.doc or whatever, the "extra" info wil help the NSA or FBI track
> and identify that user.

Yeah. I liked "Enemy of the State" ... more truth in it than we'd
probably want to know.

--
sk8r-365
The only way to make Windows "secure":
1) go to http://goodbye-microsoft.com
2) replace existing operating system.

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:58:26 GMT
Rich Leitner <Rich@noyoudont.com> wasted precious bandwith with:

> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:11:28 -0600, §ñühw¤£f wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >
> > OTOH, it might be that M$ cut a deal with the government so that
> > when a user creates a word.doc or whatever, the "extra" info wil
> > help the NSA or FBI track and identify that user.
> >
> > <shrugs>
> >
> > :)
>
> Already happened! As I recall, the BTK Killer in Kansas City was
> nabbed when he sent a computer disk with a Microsoft Office
> document to the cops. Oops, he forgot that it stored the 'user
> info' identifying him as user "Dennis" on the local church's
> computer. Didn't take long after that to figure out who he was.
>
Sounds like a heads-up for all those criminals out there.

HP adds "invisible" yellow dots to your print-outs to id the unit
that it was printed from.

I loves me some conspiracy stuff :)
Would you like to see my design for a tinfoil sombrero?

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:52:21 -0500
sk8r-365 <sk8r-365@sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org> wasted precious
bandwith with:

> Horton heard a Who named §ñühw¤£f saying:
> > In message <59KdncdDLqLELGPbnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@bresnan.com>,
> > sk8r-365 wrote:
> >> Horton heard a Who named J.O. Aho saying:
>
> >> > Something I noticed when comparing the two files was that
> >microsoft stores> > which font is used almost each line and of
> >course as much information as> > possible about the user who
> >created the document, like login, computer> and so
> >> > on...
> >> >
> >>
> >> And to what purpose, and to what user value, does MS gather
> >such info?>
> > Why to increase the valuation of the users experience, of course
> > :) And to further stratgise marketecture scalability.
> >
> > OTOH, it might be that M$ cut a deal with the government so that
> > when a user creates a word.doc or whatever, the "extra" info wil
> > help the NSA or FBI track and identify that user.
>
> Yeah. I liked "Enemy of the State" ... more truth in it than we'd
> probably want to know.
>
Be sure and watch Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory too for
interesting things that could never ever occur in a free society :)

Horton heard a Who named §ñühw¤£f saying:
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:52:21 -0500
> sk8r-365 <sk8r-365@sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org> wasted precious
> bandwith with:
>>
>> Yeah. I liked "Enemy of the State" ... more truth in it than we'd
>> probably want to know.
>>
> Be sure and watch Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory too for
> interesting things that could never ever occur in a free society :)

"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose ..."

--
sk8r-365
The only way to make Windows "secure":
1) go to http://goodbye-microsoft.com
2) replace existing operating system.

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:31:19 -0500, sk8r-365 wrote:

>> Be sure and watch Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory too for
>> interesting things that could never ever occur in a free society :)

> "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose ..."

Janice!

One of my all time favs.


--
"Bother!" said Pooh, as Christopher Robin pleaded to be spanked again.

Dan C wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:31:19 -0500, sk8r-365 wrote:
>
>>> Be sure and watch Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory too for
>>> interesting things that could never ever occur in a free society :)
>
>> "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose ..."
>
> Janice!
>
> One of my all time favs.
>
>


She, among others has sung that.

But the composer of Me And Bobby McGee is Chris Christofferson.

Vahis
--
"Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important
stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)"
Linus Torvalds 1996.

Dan C wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:31:19 -0500, sk8r-365 wrote:
>
>>> Be sure and watch Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory too for
>>> interesting things that could never ever occur in a free society :)
>
>> "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose ..."
>
> Janice!
>
> One of my all time favs.
>
>

She, among others sang that.

But the composer is Kris Kristofferson.

Vahis
--
"Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important
stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)"
Linus Torvalds 1996.