Linspire often issues coupons (the ONLY way I'd "buy" Linspire). Anyone
aware of any current ones for Linspire or CNR gold?

Responding to Pete...
> Linspire often issues coupons (the ONLY way I'd "buy" Linspire). Anyone
> aware of any current ones for Linspire or CNR gold?

Linspire looks like another remote control M$ operation to me. Kinda
like Arnie pretends to be the rebel Republican to draw the anti-Bush
types.

Supporting it by feeding it could be feeding M$'s constant seeking
for that crack in the GPL. Remember SCO? Remember even the BBC trying
to claim ownership of hyperlinking? Never trust a corporation, or
it's associates.

http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS9706981384.html (etc.)

Indeed, if you read Microsoft's memo, you'll find that Microsoft's
patent protection only applies only to "Linspire Five-0 and
successor offerings" on a desktop. Server use is specifically
forbidden. Microsoft won't cover any software added to Linspire via
the CNR (Click and Run) system. Besides ruling out any patent
coverage for software covered by the GPLv3, Microsoft also
categorically rules out "Freespire and any other software offerings
that include the Linux operating system for which Linspire receives
no revenue."

Seeing M$ telling a Linux producer what they can and cannot do seems
like the beginning of something quite unhealthy to me.

That **** pesky GNU licence...

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Mike wrote:
> Responding to Pete...
>
>>Linspire often issues coupons (the ONLY way I'd "buy" Linspire). Anyone
>>aware of any current ones for Linspire or CNR gold?
>
>
> Linspire looks like another remote control M$ operation to me. Kinda
> like Arnie pretends to be the rebel Republican to draw the anti-Bush
> types.
>
> Supporting it by feeding it could be feeding M$'s constant seeking
> for that crack in the GPL. Remember SCO? Remember even the BBC trying
> to claim ownership of hyperlinking? Never trust a corporation, or
> it's associates.
>
> http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS9706981384.html (etc.)
>
> Indeed, if you read Microsoft's memo, you'll find that Microsoft's
> patent protection only applies only to "Linspire Five-0 and
> successor offerings" on a desktop. Server use is specifically
> forbidden. Microsoft won't cover any software added to Linspire via
> the CNR (Click and Run) system. Besides ruling out any patent
> coverage for software covered by the GPLv3, Microsoft also
> categorically rules out "Freespire and any other software offerings
> that include the Linux operating system for which Linspire receives
> no revenue."
>
> Seeing M$ telling a Linux producer what they can and cannot do seems
> like the beginning of something quite unhealthy to me.
>
> That **** pesky GNU licence...
>
If only I could get my newest computers to work with apic.
-Pete

Mike wrote:

> Responding to Pete...
>> Linspire often issues coupons (the ONLY way I'd "buy" Linspire). Anyone
>> aware of any current ones for Linspire or CNR gold?
>
> Linspire looks like another remote control M$ operation to me. Kinda
> like Arnie pretends to be the rebel Republican to draw the anti-Bush
> types.
>
> Supporting it by feeding it could be feeding M$'s constant seeking
> for that crack in the GPL. Remember SCO? Remember even the BBC trying
> to claim ownership of hyperlinking? Never trust a corporation, or
> it's associates.
>
> http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS9706981384.html (etc.)
>
> Indeed, if you read Microsoft's memo, you'll find that Microsoft's
> patent protection only applies only to "Linspire Five-0 and
> successor offerings" on a desktop. Server use is specifically
> forbidden. Microsoft won't cover any software added to Linspire via
> the CNR (Click and Run) system. Besides ruling out any patent
> coverage for software covered by the GPLv3, Microsoft also
> categorically rules out "Freespire and any other software offerings
> that include the Linux operating system for which Linspire receives
> no revenue."
>
> Seeing M$ telling a Linux producer what they can and cannot do seems
> like the beginning of something quite unhealthy to me.
>
> That **** pesky GNU licence...
>

Much as I liked Linspire as a desktop system, I have to agree with you that
this MS agreement was a stupid thing for Linspire to go into.

I liked the CNR system and the person I put on to Linspire a couple of years
ago is still on it and no ammount of me suggesting he tries others out will
make him budge, he loves it simply because it is so easy to use.

I think that is what MS have done, target the distros most likely to be an
immediate threat. SLED is a great product for the desktop as Linspire is,
so I wan't really surprised that MS went for these, I also believe that the
agreement is intended to cause damage with no intentions at all of MS
playing a usefull part in a Linux relationship.

Why the likes of Novell fell for it I have no idea, well I have one and the
only one that seems to make sense, that someone high up in Novell received
a big windfall.

Responding to Pete...

[...]
>>
>> That **** pesky GNU licence...
>>
> If only I could get my newest computers to work with apic.

Maye you need to install a graphics application. ;)

--
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Nah. Its a TeaPot!
www.tinyurl.com/382gmp

>> http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS9706981384.html (etc.)
>>
>> Indeed, if you read Microsoft's memo, you'll find that Microsoft's
>> patent protection only applies only to "Linspire Five-0 and
>> successor offerings" on a desktop. Server use is specifically
>> forbidden. Microsoft won't cover any software added to Linspire via
>> the CNR (Click and Run) system. Besides ruling out any patent
>> coverage for software covered by the GPLv3, Microsoft also
>> categorically rules out "Freespire and any other software offerings
>> that include the Linux operating system for which Linspire receives
>> no revenue."
>>
>> Seeing M$ telling a Linux producer what they can and cannot do seems
>> like the beginning of something quite unhealthy to me.
>>
>> That **** pesky GNU licence...
>>
>
> Much as I liked Linspire as a desktop system, I have to agree with you that
> this MS agreement was a stupid thing for Linspire to go into.
>
> I liked the CNR system and the person I put on to Linspire a couple of years
> ago is still on it and no ammount of me suggesting he tries others out will
> make him budge, he loves it simply because it is so easy to use.
>
> I think that is what MS have done, target the distros most likely to be an
> immediate threat. SLED is a great product for the desktop as Linspire is,
> so I wan't really surprised that MS went for these, I also believe that the
> agreement is intended to cause damage with no intentions at all of MS
> playing a usefull part in a Linux relationship.
>


The way I understand it is that if you want the "protection" you are not
allowed to tinker with your OS. Isn't that what Linux is for?
caver1

Responding to BearItAll...

[...]
>
> Why the likes of Novell fell for it I have no idea, well I have one and the
> only one that seems to make sense, that someone high up in Novell received
> a big windfall.
>

See how fast SCO shares went up when M$ funded their last attack
against Linux, even though it was obvious that the "project" was
little more than a "ranging shot".

In October 2003, BayStar Capital and Royal Bank of Canada
invested USD$50 million in The SCO Group to support the legal
cost of SCO's Linux campaign. Later it was shown that BayStar
was referred to SCO by Microsoft, whose proprietary Windows
operating system competes with Linux. In 2003, BayStar looked
at SCO on the recommendation of Microsoft, according to
Lawrence R. Goldfarb, managing partner of BayStar Capital:
"It was evident that Microsoft had an agenda".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO-Linux_controversies

One or two associated company directors also got a "career boost"
from helping to guide the hand that held the knife.

I see Linspire as pretty much part of the same attempt to "gain the
higher ground" from which to chip away at the foundations of the GNU
licence and try to shut down what some have called "undemocratic"
because private interests cannot control things as M$ do.

Its not so much a product thing, as an ethics and phisolophy thing.
Linux embodies a truely democratic process whereby the whole thing is
a construction of everybody's choices, and there is no place for
bosses, share-holder meetings, corporate takovers etc. IOW, Linux is
not a traditional "tradable asset", but some think it should be and
will use every method at their disposal to make it so, including
pseudo-military stealth "missions" like the Linspire thing.

Long story short, IMO, if M$ are involved in any way, drop it. Its
not really Linux at heart. Linspire is, however, the closest thing
I've seen to someone managing to steal something thats free. You
really can't make stuff like this up.

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Nah. Its a TeaPot!
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On Aug 9, 11:45 am, Pete <P...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Linspire often issues coupons (the ONLY way I'd "buy" Linspire). Anyone
> aware of any current ones for Linspire or CNR gold?

Because of the recent "patent agreement" with Microsoft, they are
specifically prohibited from offering Linspire for free, which means
no coupons will no longer be offered for Linspire.

Darth Chaos wrote:
> On Aug 9, 11:45 am, Pete <P...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Linspire often issues coupons (the ONLY way I'd "buy" Linspire). Anyone
>> aware of any current ones for Linspire or CNR gold?
>
> Because of the recent "patent agreement" with Microsoft, they are
> specifically prohibited from offering Linspire for free, which means
> no coupons will no longer be offered for Linspire.
>
There's always the possibility of discounts.
Doesn't matter. Freespire won't even recognize my usb printer.
I'm back to Debian.